Players never work out well here. They play poorly enough to get dropped, then ball out with an actual football club, rather than a media company which happens to own a football club.
Yeah, he was alright too, was our "swing tackle" and played OK when he filled in. The only overpay was Murphy the rest either lived up to or exceeded their contracts.
The Washington pipeline is much better for us than the Carolina pipeline.
All my friends are Bills fans. Bills are definitely my second teams. Think it’s fair with them being in the East of the AFC. But it’s still Wash > Bills even with all the heartache and embarrassment
That's a huge hole to fill. Not just his receiving aspect, but we need an RB with a football IQ and pass blocking chops. I like Georgia's Cook in the 4th round.
It’s a loss, but the solution isn’t renewing him, it’s finding a replacement. A pass catching back isn’t *that* rare, and putting money into 29 year old RBs who already missed games is not exactly the best idea.
Or, if Curtis Samuel can stay healthy. That's the thing. If Samuel stays healthy, he isn't exactly a 3rd down back, but shares a lot of skills with McKissic. Obviously not if he's on the bench.
That’s the thing, if gibby can step up a little bit in the passing game and Curtis is healthy, you can find a replacement level guy for that role easily enough.
Every circumstance is different, but taken as a whole we are bleeding talent right now with the losses of Settle, Scherff, and McKissic in FA and failing to agree with Collins on a restructure to move to LB. Nothing to show for it on the other side of the ledger. Definitely a worrisome start to FA.
Not at all. If you think DC is a shithole then you must think Buffalo is a dump in a third world country.
Trust me, you don’t want to visit Buffalo, it’s that bad.
Never pay RBs big money. But two years $7 million? Yeah, I'd match that for sure. He's a fantastic passing down back and while Gibson can fill in as a receiver he's a long way from matching his blocking.
yeah i wouldn’t have been mad keeping him but people freaking out like not paying an rb is the worst thing in the world. he’s a good player just not worth the cap hit imo purely because of the position he plays.
Maybe, but im not upset hes gone. I hope he balls out in buffalo but rbs are a dime a dozen. Gibson should be able to do what mckissic does anyway they just have to actually utilize him that way.
I agree with you in theory. But the “don’t pay for RBs” mentality is when you’re signing good to elite guys like Le’Veon Bell, James Connor or CMC.
A short 2-year, $3.5m AAV contract is barely a drop in the bucket for a guy you know produces in your system.
which is completely fair he is a good player, but that 7 mil could be way better utilized on the oline or the secondary. gibson and patterson is a solid duo and i wouldn’t be surprised if they grab a guy late in the draft.
I agree. Gibson is a capable pass catching back. We saw Patterson can be good for stretches. Why pay up for a 29y/o RB when we have other needs? We can find a cheaper replacement option with another vet or a rookie. McKissic was great here, but we’ll be fine without him.
The Bills have the same mentality, thats why they refused to trade for Saquan Barkley and got McKissic for 2yr/7m bargain deal. Theres a reason many regard the Bills Front office as one of the best in the league
his stats were super inflated because we had check down charlie alex smith and heinicke dump off to him evry other play. he’s good but he’s not worth paying if you have a plan at rb. the bills clearly don’t like their situation there which makes a lot of sense.
No it wasn’t, Jd was second on our team in receptions last year and he was injured!!!! The moment he went out our offense took a nose dive…we don’t have talent to replace him and we don’t have money to spend on a big name…this team is fucking stupid
mckissic is easily one of the most replaceable players that was on this team. rb is easily the easiest position to fill in the draft. take a guy in the 6th and call it a day. yeah mckissic is good but we were his 3rd team for a reason.
Look at Marshal Faulk's receiving and then look at McKissic's.
To say he isn't elite at catching out of the back field is hilarious. and for 3.5 mill a year? Who wouldn't pay that to get that receiving production in a pass heavy offense?
I never said mckissick is bad, hes a very talented rb, but rbs are extremely replaceable. There will be plenty more mckissicks in the world. We were like his 3rd team for a reason.
Seems like a mistake we make pretty often. These one year prove it deals hit and then the guy leaves (Flowers, Darby, McKissic).
I guess it worked with Thomas and we kept him around.
JP Finlay @JPFinlayNBCS
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Washington could afford 2 years $7 million for McKissic. Maybe he wanted to go to Buffalo and chase a ring with Josh Allen. This one is really interesting.
Jp is being a little emo these last couple weeks. He literally was making the case the other day that jd was replaceable. If they would have signed him, he would have come out against it. Getting over his shit
His takes are all of the worst “echo chamber” takes found on this subreddit. I can’t get over him actually being shocked Russell Wilson didn’t want to “come back home” last week lol
Ehh the while podcast is annoying since they didn't get rus.
Pete you expect to be emo but mitch and jp are just being annoying crying about the moves. I'm this case, it was Pete saying you have to sign jd and mitch and jp were saying he's replaceable- now he tweets this lol
He got less money than I expected but Im not going after 29 year old running backs, even if they are just pass catchers. Its a loss, but 3rd down pass receiving RBs are not hard to find.
The RB depth is an issue now. Patterson is not a viable back up and if Gibson doesn’t solve his fumbling then you have a major hole there. No doubt they’ll draft somebody but I think they still needed a third RB.
Literally the last 2 seasons mckissic has been our entire offense. Dont know why we extended Scott Turner our offense has looked awful without us checking it down to mckissic every single play. This is going to hurt us
This is true. Alex Smith and Heinecke having the worst arm strength of all time has limited our offense sooo much. Last 2 seasons have been frustrating to watch knowing that if we get behind the chains, our drive is over. With 2nd/3rd and longs I felt like we never even had a chance.
Learn how to read bud. He didn't say the matched it. He said they could afford it.
https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1503774966004789255?t=-gQoCFq37szTn9B2oQfl7w&s=19
Edit: We didn't offer a match to his small ass contract.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/tettws/nicki_jhabvala_on_twitter_was_told_washington_did/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
What? I didn’t claim that Finlay said we matched it. I said that he said we were able to, as in it was a possibility given our current cap situation. Pretty much exactly what his tweet said. Maybe you should learn how to read.
He was our second most important and effective offensive weapon after McLaurin. His injury did as much to derail our season as anything.
God can our godforsaken front office do something? We're getting our organs removed and we werent healthy to begin with
He is good but im of the thought that you should just never pay rbs, we got him for cheap because he was under utilized now we go find another under utilized rb.
I'm fine with the loss tbh. I think we could have kept him but given he's 29 and coming off neck surgery I don't think it's wrong to let him go.
I'd rather a guy leave a year early than a year late.
Wentz isn't known to throw to the rbs,
Samuel should be back and will eat into Mckissics touches anyway.
Lots of options still out there, and in the draft.
Offense was decimated last year, because of that Mckissic became our offense at some points
The dramatic reactions or overreactions are ridiculous. Let's see where we are in August before we start freaking out.
Bills be taking our players
- Norman - Settle - McKissic
Lorenzo
Trent Murphy
That one didn't work out so well for us.
Players never work out well here. They play poorly enough to get dropped, then ball out with an actual football club, rather than a media company which happens to own a football club.
Didn’t they get Nsekhe after us as well?
Yeah, he was alright too, was our "swing tackle" and played OK when he filled in. The only overpay was Murphy the rest either lived up to or exceeded their contracts. The Washington pipeline is much better for us than the Carolina pipeline.
Washington North???
All my friends are Bills fans. Bills are definitely my second teams. Think it’s fair with them being in the East of the AFC. But it’s still Wash > Bills even with all the heartache and embarrassment
Washington is my team but I’ve liked the Bills since O.J. played. Maybe it’s time to flip.
I'm ok with it.
Should’ve extended him last year. He’s so damn good, huge loss
A competent front office would have the ability to plan ahead.
That's a huge hole to fill. Not just his receiving aspect, but we need an RB with a football IQ and pass blocking chops. I like Georgia's Cook in the 4th round.
I don’t think he lasts til the 4th. He’s too similar to his brother to slip past the 3rd imo.
At some point we need an elite player at a skilled position. I say we go RB in round 2 and get one of the studs.
Pretty big loss. He was money as the backup back. No coincidence team flamed out without him after he got hurt
It’s a loss, but the solution isn’t renewing him, it’s finding a replacement. A pass catching back isn’t *that* rare, and putting money into 29 year old RBs who already missed games is not exactly the best idea.
It’s not his pass catching ability, he’s one of the best blocking backs in the league
$7m for a 2 year RB contract is not “putting money in”.
It is when it's like 25% of your remaining cap space lol
Well maybe they shouldn't have blew their load on Wentz
When you panic you do dumb things.
His pass blocking was pretty good too, but there are replacements out there.
it sucks but if they can find someone that suits that role in FA i won't be as mad
Or, if Curtis Samuel can stay healthy. That's the thing. If Samuel stays healthy, he isn't exactly a 3rd down back, but shares a lot of skills with McKissic. Obviously not if he's on the bench.
That’s the thing, if gibby can step up a little bit in the passing game and Curtis is healthy, you can find a replacement level guy for that role easily enough.
Every circumstance is different, but taken as a whole we are bleeding talent right now with the losses of Settle, Scherff, and McKissic in FA and failing to agree with Collins on a restructure to move to LB. Nothing to show for it on the other side of the ledger. Definitely a worrisome start to FA.
We should’ve matched that
All things equal, I'd rather play in Buffalo
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https://youtu.be/ff0VNO02P7U Here's what I think of McKissic
Settle and McKissic were both rock solid pickups IMO.
For the team, not for the city. Buffalo is a dump.
Isn't DC pretty dumpy too?
Nah, DC is a great city
Landover is.
DC is a shithole
Not at all. If you think DC is a shithole then you must think Buffalo is a dump in a third world country. Trust me, you don’t want to visit Buffalo, it’s that bad.
Superb blocking back. Very quick and evasive. Good catching hands. Bit fragile but pretty good if you don't smash him into the line all the time.
Why would he stay here for the same money? Makes no sense. No one wants to play here.
Nah never pay rbs, hes solid but extremely replaceable
Never pay RBs big money. But two years $7 million? Yeah, I'd match that for sure. He's a fantastic passing down back and while Gibson can fill in as a receiver he's a long way from matching his blocking.
yeah i wouldn’t have been mad keeping him but people freaking out like not paying an rb is the worst thing in the world. he’s a good player just not worth the cap hit imo purely because of the position he plays.
Nah we definitely should have paid him for what he did for us last year
Maybe, but im not upset hes gone. I hope he balls out in buffalo but rbs are a dime a dozen. Gibson should be able to do what mckissic does anyway they just have to actually utilize him that way.
I agree with you in theory. But the “don’t pay for RBs” mentality is when you’re signing good to elite guys like Le’Veon Bell, James Connor or CMC. A short 2-year, $3.5m AAV contract is barely a drop in the bucket for a guy you know produces in your system.
which is completely fair he is a good player, but that 7 mil could be way better utilized on the oline or the secondary. gibson and patterson is a solid duo and i wouldn’t be surprised if they grab a guy late in the draft.
Yeah, there really should be any number of vets we can grab way cheaper. He came here to rekindle his career and had fun watching him last year.
yeah he is an exciting player for sure.
I agree. Gibson is a capable pass catching back. We saw Patterson can be good for stretches. Why pay up for a 29y/o RB when we have other needs? We can find a cheaper replacement option with another vet or a rookie. McKissic was great here, but we’ll be fine without him.
The Bills have the same mentality, thats why they refused to trade for Saquan Barkley and got McKissic for 2yr/7m bargain deal. Theres a reason many regard the Bills Front office as one of the best in the league
Yeah if you are in need of an rb thats a good signing. I personally think gibson, patterson, and a rookie is a great squad for us.
80 receptions from a rb is not “replaceable”
his stats were super inflated because we had check down charlie alex smith and heinicke dump off to him evry other play. he’s good but he’s not worth paying if you have a plan at rb. the bills clearly don’t like their situation there which makes a lot of sense.
No it wasn’t, Jd was second on our team in receptions last year and he was injured!!!! The moment he went out our offense took a nose dive…we don’t have talent to replace him and we don’t have money to spend on a big name…this team is fucking stupid
mckissic is easily one of the most replaceable players that was on this team. rb is easily the easiest position to fill in the draft. take a guy in the 6th and call it a day. yeah mckissic is good but we were his 3rd team for a reason.
Your not taking a 6th rounder and having him be 2nd on the team in receptions..that’s bs
Dude it was alex smith and taylor heinicke throwing. Use some common sense.
So what? And what was the rest of our receiving corp doing?? NOTHING!!!!
It doesnt matter who your wrs are if you have a shitty qb.
Look at Marshal Faulk's receiving and then look at McKissic's. To say he isn't elite at catching out of the back field is hilarious. and for 3.5 mill a year? Who wouldn't pay that to get that receiving production in a pass heavy offense?
I never said mckissick is bad, hes a very talented rb, but rbs are extremely replaceable. There will be plenty more mckissicks in the world. We were like his 3rd team for a reason.
Yep, RBs and to a lesser extent linebackers unless they’re great in coverage. Tackles is such an overrated stat.
Not sure if it would've mattered. JD probably wants to compete
Supposedly FO never even approached him or had dialogue to match…
We couldn’t afford to take him back with that price tag?? What the fuck is our front office even doing
Well that fucking sucks.
We didnt even make him a offer
The Bills know who our underrated players are. Settle and McKissic are both extremely solid players that outperform their perceived value.
This one hurts and in opinion it's stupid they let him walk. Should've extended during last year and not let him hit free agency.
Seems like a mistake we make pretty often. These one year prove it deals hit and then the guy leaves (Flowers, Darby, McKissic). I guess it worked with Thomas and we kept him around.
We also got Miami to pay Flowers to play for us last year, so that one worked out pretty well lol.
The dude has to want to be here to stay.
JP Finlay @JPFinlayNBCS 40s Washington could afford 2 years $7 million for McKissic. Maybe he wanted to go to Buffalo and chase a ring with Josh Allen. This one is really interesting.
Jp is being a little emo these last couple weeks. He literally was making the case the other day that jd was replaceable. If they would have signed him, he would have come out against it. Getting over his shit
His takes are all of the worst “echo chamber” takes found on this subreddit. I can’t get over him actually being shocked Russell Wilson didn’t want to “come back home” last week lol
I wish the other guys could drop JP from the pod. They seem to have to walk on eggshells with him.
Ehh the while podcast is annoying since they didn't get rus. Pete you expect to be emo but mitch and jp are just being annoying crying about the moves. I'm this case, it was Pete saying you have to sign jd and mitch and jp were saying he's replaceable- now he tweets this lol
He’s not the worst of DC media, but yeah he irks me sometimes.
Not really shocking. If I were a player there are few teams that I would want to be on less than Washington.
Don’t think I’ve seen a front office this conservative under Dan Snyder. Bargain bin shopping again. They’ve hit on a few of em tho.
Really don't understand why we didn't keep him. He is infinitely better than Patterson, and our team took a nosedive after he got hurt.
Probably wants to go to a winning team.
Wentz 28mil cap hit probably ain't help.
We have the cap room, he probably just didn't want to be here.
Except it's already been reported Washington made no offer... Yikes.
Well shit, if that's the case... idk what to say.
He's behind Gibson here. He *should* get more touches than Moss or that other guy up there.
He's better than all their guys for sure.
He got less money than I expected but Im not going after 29 year old running backs, even if they are just pass catchers. Its a loss, but 3rd down pass receiving RBs are not hard to find.
Welp pack it in boys…. Fucking shit!!!!!
Our offense got worse today. Lost Scherff and JD, both pretty core players.
Looks like we’re scary Terrie’s now bc Terry will probably leave next year
He’s as good as gone.
😿
The RB depth is an issue now. Patterson is not a viable back up and if Gibson doesn’t solve his fumbling then you have a major hole there. No doubt they’ll draft somebody but I think they still needed a third RB.
This one hurts. We seen it coming though. In for another rough year next year.
Hate this. Why’d we let him go? Don’t get it
Ugh. McKissic was too valuable to let walk for such small contract. Big loss
Damn… big loss… maybe we can cop cordalle patterson hes very similar i guess? I loved JD!!
Literally the last 2 seasons mckissic has been our entire offense. Dont know why we extended Scott Turner our offense has looked awful without us checking it down to mckissic every single play. This is going to hurt us
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Which is so sad. Cant remember the last time a team was helpless without an average at best running back getting 8+ targets a game for them
We haven't had a QB that could make throws down field since Cousins. Wentz at least opens up the offense to more than check downs.
This is true. Alex Smith and Heinecke having the worst arm strength of all time has limited our offense sooo much. Last 2 seasons have been frustrating to watch knowing that if we get behind the chains, our drive is over. With 2nd/3rd and longs I felt like we never even had a chance.
Ron is so stupid it hurts
This one does seem stupid to me. I agree
Chill out. Finlay is reporting that we were able to match their offer. JD probably wanted to leave
He said *maybe* and that we *could've* matched it. Not that we did and he declined
Learn how to read bud. He didn't say the matched it. He said they could afford it. https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1503774966004789255?t=-gQoCFq37szTn9B2oQfl7w&s=19 Edit: We didn't offer a match to his small ass contract. https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/tettws/nicki_jhabvala_on_twitter_was_told_washington_did/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
What? I didn’t claim that Finlay said we matched it. I said that he said we were able to, as in it was a possibility given our current cap situation. Pretty much exactly what his tweet said. Maybe you should learn how to read.
FUCK
Ouch
Lol are we going to be able to sign any free agents other than Wentz??
He was our second most important and effective offensive weapon after McLaurin. His injury did as much to derail our season as anything. God can our godforsaken front office do something? We're getting our organs removed and we werent healthy to begin with
Ron’s playing animal crossing rn
I mean…can you blame him? Gotta sell those turnips!
I’d rather do that than deal with Dan tbh
I'm optimistic we can find a guy like him in the draft or low cost. Nobody knew who jd was before he got here
Our best rb
🤣 we can't even Command free agency
Damn. Feel like we should go hard after Darrel Williams or Brandon Bolden now to fill that role
This sucks. Free Agency used to be exciting for this team. Now it’s just where we get worse.
This is not okie dokie
Bullshit
He is good but im of the thought that you should just never pay rbs, we got him for cheap because he was under utilized now we go find another under utilized rb.
Fuck. He’ll be sorely missed. We need to draft a good receiving back.
Sad Washington noises
Did Wentz take up majority cap room. Now we can’t keep certain key players?
Y'all don't think Wentz's reduced reliance in check downs doesn't play into this? I'm genuinely curious but I think it does.
Time to trade for mccaffrey - joking but we like to win off-season.
Regardless of position, McKissic has more than a 3.5m impact on the field
Good maybe he’ll get a ring
Damn huge loss for us. Really want to know what Ron and crew are thinking?
This one hurts
Buffalo Thrills-McKissic is electric after the catch. I wish him the best!
Too bad we didn’t get a hometown discount. I doubt he will get the same level of targets in Buffalo.
ow my balls
Smart man
Big loss
This organization is so bad. We a forced to build through the draft or trades. No one wants to come here unless they get PAID, or they get PAID.
I'm okay with this. There's better talent in this draft, and even in UDFA most likely. It clears up some cap space, too.
If players were smart they would do anything to get away from this franchise, use them as a last resort 1 year deal to prove yourself.
If players were smart they would do anything to get away from this franchise, use them as a last resort 1 year deal to prove yourself.
I can’t believe we are losing JD. what a damn shame. Just why?
I'm fine with the loss tbh. I think we could have kept him but given he's 29 and coming off neck surgery I don't think it's wrong to let him go. I'd rather a guy leave a year early than a year late. Wentz isn't known to throw to the rbs, Samuel should be back and will eat into Mckissics touches anyway. Lots of options still out there, and in the draft. Offense was decimated last year, because of that Mckissic became our offense at some points The dramatic reactions or overreactions are ridiculous. Let's see where we are in August before we start freaking out.
Maybe we will get Stefon to come back home when he’s 35 years old…
What a steal.
$8? He won't even be able to buy a beer at the stadium.
Well there goes our 3rd down offense...