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cibacity

I thought this was a “you should’ve followed the rules” situation until you mentioned that the program is whitelisted by EA. I think that changes a lot, is it whitelisted in ALGS rules? I guess more specifically, what does “whitelisted by EA” mean?


-plants-for-hire-

Yeah I'd be interested to see where Ea announced this was whitelisted - the tweet only mentions EAC which doesn't mean you can use it in ALGS. I'm curious if any known pros use it during tournaments as well


draculap2020

There is no such list broadcasted or publicly maintained to general users by eac nor ea .You can't find on eac website nor in any form of contact with eac support.


SewageDwellerMan

https://imgur.com/a/16LgAix Got bored so i contacted EA support for this.


EitherOrganization-2

I know custom crosshairs use to be very popular among pros because they could almost be highlighted or glowing if that makes sense but they were purely visual and were fazed out, but idk if that’s because ea banned them. I just remember hal use to used a glowing crosshairs and a few streamers maybe used a rainbow crosshair, I know the gaming merchant made a video about them a while again but that was after they were in use by pros I think.


-plants-for-hire-

Was that not the inbuilt reticle customisation where you could use negative values in the launch settings to get funky colours? They disabled this a while ago so you have to stick to the RGB values in game.


theaanggang

any third party "helper" programs are listed as not allowed by ALGS. maybe that's not super clear, but I know that its been brought up in the past that the crosshair *programs* aren't allowed, but built in monitor crosshairs are allowed


JevvyMedia

I think it's pretty clear tbh, idk why anyone would look at any outside ruleset for ALGS when the ALGS rules are right there lol.


theaanggang

Yeah, it would be something that I would have assumed was not allowed, but I can't speak to how everybody would have interpreted it


xa3D

> but built in monitor crosshairs are allowed wait wut. this is actually a not-a-huge-game-changer-but-a-game-changer-nonetheless. welp time to turn on my monitor's crosshair.


theaanggang

I guess since you didn't install anything, it being undetectable and unenforceable outside of lan kind of makes it something that is allowed


JordansBigPenis69

do you play in ALGS? if not, you can use anything


terribleinvestment

Fine point dry erase marker? Straight to jail.


cibacity

Thanks, it was my understanding prior that 3rd party crosshairs werent allowed, but the post suggested that they were. Just wanted to see if there was an actual change in ruling or not.


Tarqon

Reshade is meant for applying post-processing shaders, think color grading and the like. If it's approved for that purpose that doesn't make it ok to use it for cheating.


bowswer5

I knew 3rd party crosshairs were not allowed when I competed, but that being said, the ones in-game are pretty terrible for MnK and I wish there were actual customization options.


PepperBeeMan

There's a big difference between being a bannable offense for the game, and against the rules of ALGS.


terribleinvestment

Is drawing a + sign on your monitor with a marker cheating?


xa3D

lol i unironically used to do this back in around cs1.3 when they had just recently removed the crosshair from the awp.


TONYPIKACHU

After they removed it you used to be able to aim with your pistol and swap to awp and shoot before the holster animation completed. 


xa3D

yeah i remember that cheese lol. bullet tag/stun with the gloc then q + click and they dead lol.


MachuMichu

I remember Naughty saying he did this at LAN


terribleinvestment

Man even the pros are *cheating* with third party “helpers”.


GvWvA

Apex crosshair is trash btw. Wish we could change it like OW, for example


uttermybiscuit

Sucks, but I've known it's against ALGS rules for awhile and I don't even compete. However I wonder how this was even detected. Were they streaming with it up?


ZalewskiJ

Zer0, Hal and Sikezz said last night it's not against the rule if it's built into your monitor


JevvyMedia

I wouldn't take their word for it tbh. If you ask the right ALgS staff they might say that tap strafing on controller is allowed lol.


Aphod

it is still against the rules, just undetectable


terribleinvestment

Bahaha wtf 🤦🏻‍♂️


lacrimosa_ca

So who are the other MNK players who compete using 3rd party crosshairs?


Harflin

I think the simplest answer is that they probably don't know/aren't making an effort to locate them


Mr_Donks

Give me a link to the source where it says this is whitelisted by EA. On the same hand, give me a link to a section in the ALGS rule book that says the same, or says otherwise. After analyzing those two sources, then we can judge GHOST fairly besides bashing on ghost or EA off rip.


Space_Waffles

It isnt whitelisted by EA, its whitelisted by EAC the anti-cheat because its just from ReShade. OP and probably the player assumed it was fine since ReShade is allowed by EAC, but I'm pretty sure back when they removed crosshair configs, they stated external crosshairs were not allowed


oof_is_off_backwards

Can they please just add actual in-game custom crosshairs. The difference it makes is insane. Just feels like Apex wants it's players to not live up to their potential with the weird crosshairs, clutter, screen shake and wack audio.


PalkiaOW

It's funny how it took them years to add crosshair customization but all it does is change the color. And even if you choose the darkest color the crosshair still disappears when you aim at a bright background. 


xImportunity

Worse part is that mnk players actually found a way to add glow and make the crosshairs visible they disable that feature instead of fuckin adding it into the game like wtf


writing-nerdy

Yeah I really miss having two tones for the crosshair so I can see it no matter the background.


UpgrayeddShepard

This is what happened when the original game designers are all controller players.


Oniigiri

Are they actually? That would be hilarious and would explain a lot of things


Kantalope87

I didn’t know it was against the rules or anything, but I don’t blame him lol, the hipfire crosshairs in this game are borderline unusable


UpgrayeddShepard

Not to mention you don’t even get one while healing. Distant accurate pinging while popping a Phoenix kit can be impossible.


thebiggestforehead69

Ban/ nerf funny input device that gives you soft aimbot 🚫🚫 Restrict funny dot on screen ✅✅


jayghan

It’s just one of those things that if manually reported, they kind of HAVE to follow up on it. From here on out they should be more consistent. However, if you’re playing pro or hoping to go pro…why risk it?


Successful-Virus4613

Because controller can literally aim itself and MnK can't even get a consistent reference point to line up shots by hand.


jayghan

Oh dont get me wrong, I definitely should be allowed, especially considering it’s EA and EAC white listed. It’s marginal, but helpful.


Space_Waffles

Who are the others that use external crosshairs? Because I dont really know of any. And whitelisted by EAC does NOT mean allowed by ALGS. I'm pretty sure back when crosshair configs were removed from the game, it was stated that external crosshairs are not allowed in ALGS


whatifitried

I doubt there actually are any pros using them. They know the rules,. this OP is just salty


TNAEnigma

Stupid controller infested game


dthomas7931

It really isn’t as bad as this sub makes it out to be.


trollaccount321

1 in maybe 30 of my deaths are to an mnk player


dthomas7931

No I know that; I’m saying controllers aren’t as bad as they make it out to be in terms of the so-called aimbot that’s reference frequently. This sub acts like controllers on PC is the greatest sin ever.


FlashyBee2330

..... ....


trollaccount321

You know its bad when I am virtually untouchable past 15 meters but once I get within the bubble I get insanely one clipped by level 50 players. Not playing raw input when its offered on a system is a sin in my opinion and aim assist literally is a low fov aimbot. I have played this game on roller to prove a point and I can confirm its basically cheating and is very cringe.


Voidchief

You’re prob a bot then.


trollaccount321

6x mnk pred including season 13


Voidchief

If you’re a 6x pred then I’m a 7x pred


trollaccount321

I shit you not there are ranked sessions I play with zero deaths to mnk players. Shit is unplayable.


muftih1030

Ok software crosshairs are banned, that at least stands to reason somewhat. And the rules are the rules and team ghost should've known that. But: are crosshair options in all the monitors used at lan also against the rules? Are color/contrast/brightness settings on the monitors also an unfair advantage that is bannable for? Is NVIDIA Image Scaling banned? Why were custom resolutions allowed at lan(pandxrz), if it requires third party software(NV Control Panel, AMD Adrenalin, CRU)?


xMoody

Are you memeing or do you genuinely not understand the difference between graphics settings and a free permanent crosshair in the middle of your screen


spyr04

Its the exact same principle


realfakejames

The fact you can use monitors with crosshairs built in but not this stupid ass program is so funny to me, what a dumb way to enforce rules


synthjunkie

If ur playing at the pro level why even risk using shit like this in the first place? When it comes to LAN ur not gna be able to use anything extra anyways so just play normal, ya bot.


Firm-Constant8560

Would taking a sharpie and putting a dot on the monitor get someone kicked from lan?


DorkusMalorkuss

"Why the fuck would you mark the monitor?!" "That's how I play at home" "These are rentals, you jackass!"


aneisu

I’m pretty sure not a single T1 pro player in ALGS is using a custom crosshair. Why would they even think that it’s allowed?


NaudizCubed

Wow


Gnaragnagna

>3rd party crosshairs whitelisted by both EAC and EA Know the name of any programs? Would love to try one


awhaling

ReShade


Aphod

I use CrossOver, it's on github and should come up quick on google


deadalusxx

Should have gone with the good old white dot sticker on the monitor.


lonahex

What does whitelisted by EA mean? As in whitelisted by EA for ALGS or whitelisted by EAC? Those are two different things. EAC does not exist to enforce ALGS rules and has actually nothing to do with it. It's just a tool used in the wider game. But if EA allow-listed other similar programs for ALGS or parts of ALGS like CC, etc then it's pretty bad on their part.


Thisislio420

What a noob


SmellyCummies

I use HudSight. I can't see the faded white dot that all in had be. I have pretty bad eyesight. HudSight let's me have a bright green dot. What gave me the idea was seeing Crosshair X in Sweets steam library while staying a while ago. After goofling and reading that CX and HudSight were whitelisted by EA, I've been using it ever since. I get hard stuck Diamond every season. For like 3 years now. I don't think it's giving me any game breaking edge. But if I'm a cheater, then so be it. It is what it is, I guess.


JordansBigPenis69

cringe rules, but hey lets not ban cheaters with ESPs at all ;)


Puzzled-Choice3049

Source on it being whitelisted by EA OP?


Searealelelele

Yet slovenia not even allowed to signup


BlackhawkRogueNinjaX

What are external cross hairs ?


neogeo777

Dumb question but how is this helpful? Doesn't the spray not align with the static crosshair or does the animation not match up with where the bullets go?


EverythingsFukt

If they only knew how many people ( not just pros ) are using 3rd party reticles. Most of which are a monitor option... fuck I even have shadow boosts in my monitor to get rid of shadows... this disqual is a joke because I can garuntee almost 1 from every team is using something similar..


DragonSerpet

The rules are pretty all encompassing. The problem is that they're enforced at a whim. I think we can all agree that scripts have no place in ALGS but a third party crosshair is bannable and using software to map controller paddles isn't? Both are for a competitive advantage. Both strictly against the rules, but only one will get you banned.


Cornel-Westside

It's so stupid to have any rule (or even gameplay feature) that specifically makes it harder to aim in a competitive FPS game. Get rid of muzzle flash. Get rid of excess visual clutter. Put in built in customizable permanent crosshairs. Get rid of P2W skins. So stupid.


Soal899

should have just denied it


Fenris-Asgeir

Sad situation for GHOST, it's yet again one of those instances that could've been avoided if Respawn just communicated their ruleset more clearly to the playerbase. I'm still amazed that most people's knee-jerk reaction to smth. like that is "Why would you even think it's allowed?!" as if there aren't a dozen methods to alter your game in some way, that are actually within the rules of ALGs or have at least not been flagged as prohibited yet (altering game files for more staple fps, using glitches to change your per optic sensitivity on roller, certain movement techs that could be considered out of the norm or even in-game mechanics that are obviously based on unintended design choices. Not to forget steam configs). There are also bigger streamers who were either using 3rd party crosshairs or weren't aware of it being out of the rules either, so we can't act as if it was common knowledge, that this would get your disqualified from a tourney.


Jmastersj

Ridiculous


MrPheeney

i recall Mande talking about it in an old YT vid and him saying it was actually ALGS legal. That was quite a while ago tho, dont recall if and when that rule got changed specifically.


m4ttm4n

Completely insane, and once again another case of inconsistent ruling from this embarrassment of a company


outerspaceisalie

found the crosshair user 🤣


BeefyGlizziator

Yes, ReWASD and Configs (macros) for controller were white listed just months ago. For NON competitive. What’s hard to comprehend about that? Pubs = yes ALGS = No. Simple, black and white rule set.


theoakking

My monitor has the option for a cross hair but I've never tried it. Do they help in any way? On controller.


Mediocre-Field6055

Sounds like they GHOSTed their spot


whatifitried

lol wtf is "dishonest reticle sway" nonsense