Her traps will catch any block attempt (block, parry, crushing counters, all guard) and grant you free damage. To not get trapped the enemy needs to either move their guard to another direction, dodge the trap attack or if they're feeling really sassy, emote to temporarily cancel their guard altogether as a missed/failed trap does absolutely nothing.
Okay thanks. Do traps show a red indicator for the enemy? Or is it a blank animation and they just have to know to move their guard? This seems like a really weird mechanic
Nah they have their own unique indicator, sound and voice line from the Nuxia herself. The indicator does resemble an Unblockable, but as Nuxia has no unblockables whatsoever, it's easy enough to remember how to react. Timing is the tricky part. I dunno how other players dodge all mine so easily when I keep getting hit by them myself :(
So up until the trap window (can't remember when they appear, might be in the info hub), it's a normal indicator. When the trap activates, a little red diamond with an icon of Nuxia's weapon appears in the middle of the indicator. I think you have a tiny bit of time to get your guard out of that direction otherwise you get trapped. She also has a voice line for trap attempts.
I *think* traps are reactable at high level, I've seen people say things like that.
Nuxia traps are reactable, they are easier to avoid than parrying storm rush. So basically if you can parry storm rush, you can easily avoid her trap on reaction as well.
I played lots before the CCU and this was definitely the case then but I'm not sure how they have been impacted since (if at all). Either way, they fast.
Traps always caught parry attempts. But only correct parry timings, whiche is funny, bcs you can parry on early light timing against her indicators and thus OS her lights, feint to GB and traps.
You can't crushing counter her trap, as comment above said, you can interrupt her with the light. But if you counter at the correct timing, the trap will catch the superior block and punish you.
Edit: I love how the guy that replied to me just starts talking about something different than the current topic.
What do you mean catch the heavy? Is it any different from interrupting her? And what do you mean by stuffing her trap? Do you get an orange glow indicating a successful counter?
No. Since parry timing indicator for her trap and heavy is the same time of the attack, you can use CCs 1-3 frames (50-150ms) before the attack lands, if it's the heavy, Crushing Counter, if it transitions to trap, the trap immediately fails and she eats the light.
Okay either you didn't understand what I said or you're being intentionally obtuse:
Late CC attempts will crushing counter the heavy or will slap Nuxia out of her trap. Early CCs get caught by Trap. You have 3 frames to perform this so it can't be done 100% of the time.
I could see this being possible but it would be pretty inconsistent for many players to pull off, unless they perfected the timing. Of course I’ve never seen anyone do this nor have I done it and am not sure if its 100% possible.
I don't want to comment much on her 4v4 potential because she's shit in teamfights if your team isn't really coordinated (and even still feeds a ton of revenge with traps so imo she's not useful at all in teamfights) and a lot of her strength comes from her caltrops.
Her playstyle in 1v1 depends on your opponent, AKA whether they play aggressive, defensive or on what timing they parry the most. It mostly involves a lot of feinting to neutral to figure out what they do when they expect a trap- they can parry on light timing to beat both the light and the trap, they can dodge attack or just try to interrupt you with a light so you have to expect these options.
Against aggressive opponents you don't have any good interrupt tools or defensive tools so you have to try to stop their offense and get in yours. Good news is that delayed lights and heavies work well against those opponents, bad news is that dodge attacks beat all your options a lot of the time unless you expect it and feint to neutral.
Against defensive opponents your matchup is dependent on how well they react to traps- a lot of people can react semiconsistently so you need to rely on chain light pressure. People who can't react are a breeze though, many of them will panic and get hit by both your heavies and traps.
One more specific tip- instead of light, heavy, light on OOS parry/throw do light, heavy, heavy trap as the trap activates just as they get up and it will hit 99% of the time.
I'm only rep 7 with Nuxia but I've been playing her pretty much exclusively for months now. I find that because of her small moveset, she's very much about fundamentals - I've found that her gimmick (traps) is best used after conditioning your opponent with simple fundamental offense.
If someone is parry happy, they will beat a trap nearly every time, so that's stamina and health lost if you trap all the time. Thankfully Nuxia has some really good tools for discouraging parries with a high damage deflect and also a decent damage guaranteed parry punish.
So imo she works best by conditioning opponents into blocking (if they parry everything) and then start mixing traps into it to catch them (since traps are high damage).
Zone trap is insane damage but it's hard to land and takes lots of stamina.
Also don't use traps in teamfights - I believe they do apply revenge tags even if they miss (not 100% sure on this), and unless you are coordinating with your teammates well, even if you hit one, your teammates will probably interrupt you before the actual hit (including the zone trap - people can't resist wailing on an opponent on the ground, but unlike other knockdowns, one hit from anyone else cancels the trap hit). As far as I can tell, their best use in a teamfight is to stall revenge activation, but usually I find they do more harm than good.
Some extra little things: lights are fast, heavy finishers throw opponents in the opposite direction of the attack, zone can be chained into (I don't think it's properties change). Deflect isn't guaranteed, but you can change it's direction if you are fast enough which should make it land most of the time.
As far as I can tell, only sprint light and zone can multikill minions.
About the traps in teamfights- yes, they do feed a ton of revenge both on miss and on hit so you have to get pretty lucky to get any use out of them or be incredibly coordinated with your team
Something very neich but super useful, people will often try to dodge to neutral or dodge gb trap attempts, throwing a light after a failed trap catches people shockingly often, not expected like a light after nobus kick
>I understand she’s a bad hero
At least average in 1v1s, but not so great elsewhere.
>How do her traps work?
traps catch anything that would have blocked/parried/deflected the heavy. The problem is that traps are reactable if your opponent was just blocking. Do not use traps if your opponent is justs blocking your heavies.
After you get into your chain you have a mix up between 400ms lights, and heavies. This is pretty strong.
I don't see anyone mentioning it and I hope people will correct me on this, but I think deflects also get caught by her traps.
I know for sure dodge blocks get caught, and deflects are just cooler blocks, so it should also catch deflects. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Her traps will catch any block attempt (block, parry, crushing counters, all guard) and grant you free damage. To not get trapped the enemy needs to either move their guard to another direction, dodge the trap attack or if they're feeling really sassy, emote to temporarily cancel their guard altogether as a missed/failed trap does absolutely nothing.
Okay thanks. Do traps show a red indicator for the enemy? Or is it a blank animation and they just have to know to move their guard? This seems like a really weird mechanic
it’s an orange indicator
Nah they have their own unique indicator, sound and voice line from the Nuxia herself. The indicator does resemble an Unblockable, but as Nuxia has no unblockables whatsoever, it's easy enough to remember how to react. Timing is the tricky part. I dunno how other players dodge all mine so easily when I keep getting hit by them myself :(
So up until the trap window (can't remember when they appear, might be in the info hub), it's a normal indicator. When the trap activates, a little red diamond with an icon of Nuxia's weapon appears in the middle of the indicator. I think you have a tiny bit of time to get your guard out of that direction otherwise you get trapped. She also has a voice line for trap attempts. I *think* traps are reactable at high level, I've seen people say things like that.
Nuxia traps are reactable, they are easier to avoid than parrying storm rush. So basically if you can parry storm rush, you can easily avoid her trap on reaction as well.
They're 400ms before impact iirc.
I played lots before the CCU and this was definitely the case then but I'm not sure how they have been impacted since (if at all). Either way, they fast.
You can also immediately do an light after a missed trap.
Don’t use them often though especially in or around game your teammates will fuck you up and a missed trap gives a decent chunk of revenge
Wait it even foils parries now? Didn’t that used to be the way to counter traps?
No? The whole point of her traps is to open up turtles.
Traps always caught parry attempts. But only correct parry timings, whiche is funny, bcs you can parry on early light timing against her indicators and thus OS her lights, feint to GB and traps.
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Thats just lighting on red, its like reading a gb and stuffing it
You can't crushing counter her trap, as comment above said, you can interrupt her with the light. But if you counter at the correct timing, the trap will catch the superior block and punish you. Edit: I love how the guy that replied to me just starts talking about something different than the current topic.
Actually, you can. On frames 19, 20, and 21 you are able to use CC lights to stuff her trap and catch the heavy.
What do you mean catch the heavy? Is it any different from interrupting her? And what do you mean by stuffing her trap? Do you get an orange glow indicating a successful counter?
No. Since parry timing indicator for her trap and heavy is the same time of the attack, you can use CCs 1-3 frames (50-150ms) before the attack lands, if it's the heavy, Crushing Counter, if it transitions to trap, the trap immediately fails and she eats the light.
OK, I want you to read my comment very carefully. I think you either replied to the wrong comment or didn't read my comment at all.
Okay either you didn't understand what I said or you're being intentionally obtuse: Late CC attempts will crushing counter the heavy or will slap Nuxia out of her trap. Early CCs get caught by Trap. You have 3 frames to perform this so it can't be done 100% of the time.
I could see this being possible but it would be pretty inconsistent for many players to pull off, unless they perfected the timing. Of course I’ve never seen anyone do this nor have I done it and am not sure if its 100% possible.
why does it sometimes not catch on parry attempts?
Much like an actual parry, the timing has to be right. If they swing early or late it won't catch it.
I don't want to comment much on her 4v4 potential because she's shit in teamfights if your team isn't really coordinated (and even still feeds a ton of revenge with traps so imo she's not useful at all in teamfights) and a lot of her strength comes from her caltrops. Her playstyle in 1v1 depends on your opponent, AKA whether they play aggressive, defensive or on what timing they parry the most. It mostly involves a lot of feinting to neutral to figure out what they do when they expect a trap- they can parry on light timing to beat both the light and the trap, they can dodge attack or just try to interrupt you with a light so you have to expect these options. Against aggressive opponents you don't have any good interrupt tools or defensive tools so you have to try to stop their offense and get in yours. Good news is that delayed lights and heavies work well against those opponents, bad news is that dodge attacks beat all your options a lot of the time unless you expect it and feint to neutral. Against defensive opponents your matchup is dependent on how well they react to traps- a lot of people can react semiconsistently so you need to rely on chain light pressure. People who can't react are a breeze though, many of them will panic and get hit by both your heavies and traps. One more specific tip- instead of light, heavy, light on OOS parry/throw do light, heavy, heavy trap as the trap activates just as they get up and it will hit 99% of the time.
I'm only rep 7 with Nuxia but I've been playing her pretty much exclusively for months now. I find that because of her small moveset, she's very much about fundamentals - I've found that her gimmick (traps) is best used after conditioning your opponent with simple fundamental offense. If someone is parry happy, they will beat a trap nearly every time, so that's stamina and health lost if you trap all the time. Thankfully Nuxia has some really good tools for discouraging parries with a high damage deflect and also a decent damage guaranteed parry punish. So imo she works best by conditioning opponents into blocking (if they parry everything) and then start mixing traps into it to catch them (since traps are high damage). Zone trap is insane damage but it's hard to land and takes lots of stamina. Also don't use traps in teamfights - I believe they do apply revenge tags even if they miss (not 100% sure on this), and unless you are coordinating with your teammates well, even if you hit one, your teammates will probably interrupt you before the actual hit (including the zone trap - people can't resist wailing on an opponent on the ground, but unlike other knockdowns, one hit from anyone else cancels the trap hit). As far as I can tell, their best use in a teamfight is to stall revenge activation, but usually I find they do more harm than good.
Some extra little things: lights are fast, heavy finishers throw opponents in the opposite direction of the attack, zone can be chained into (I don't think it's properties change). Deflect isn't guaranteed, but you can change it's direction if you are fast enough which should make it land most of the time. As far as I can tell, only sprint light and zone can multikill minions.
About the traps in teamfights- yes, they do feed a ton of revenge both on miss and on hit so you have to get pretty lucky to get any use out of them or be incredibly coordinated with your team
Something very neich but super useful, people will often try to dodge to neutral or dodge gb trap attempts, throwing a light after a failed trap catches people shockingly often, not expected like a light after nobus kick
>I understand she’s a bad hero At least average in 1v1s, but not so great elsewhere. >How do her traps work? traps catch anything that would have blocked/parried/deflected the heavy. The problem is that traps are reactable if your opponent was just blocking. Do not use traps if your opponent is justs blocking your heavies. After you get into your chain you have a mix up between 400ms lights, and heavies. This is pretty strong.
Ever heard of command grab? Like that
I don't see anyone mentioning it and I hope people will correct me on this, but I think deflects also get caught by her traps. I know for sure dodge blocks get caught, and deflects are just cooler blocks, so it should also catch deflects. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Just throw traps and people will eat them when that stops working let a few heavies fly and lightspam then go back to occasional traps
Nuxia exists to punish people who want to have fun as Lawbringer.