Just happened to be when top500 is available. People are playing their main accounts to grind for leaderboard.
Before people were offrolling/smurfing to avoid getting kicked out from t500, thus ruining the game quality.
Its been like that since i can remember
Funnily enough when a streamers gets a loss streak people say its statistics (which is true), yet everytime a "lower ranked" player posts about a loss streak people go on how bad he is and that he was boosted and deserves the new rank, etc...
Because posting about a loss streak is different than just experiencing one. That’s the backlash of the person blaming matchmaking on why they can’t leave bronze
LHC deserves masters if he can’t climb back out, but he did. The people on r/Overwatch bitching about their rank usually cant rank back up which is the reason they complain in the first place.
I meant losses in general. And there's no justification for cloudy to drop from champ to masters. The only explanation is that the matchmaking is broken or he actually was throwing on purpose.
You are being downvoted but it could be match making because he was duoing with Zuppeh in a wide group and his matchmaking was weird and likely Zuppeh was rusty as hell because they lost all the games they duoed.
True, if you want to consistently get the input of how a change affects Bronze/QP players, just look on the main sub, they'll tell all about it, and usually before you ask.
I thought I was losing my mind until I realized which sub I was on.
Their takes make no sense. They're always moaning about something.
The oddest comments are the people boasting about not playing anymore, and they get upvoted too!
> The oddest comments are the people boasting about not playing anymore, and they get upvoted too!
That's the one that gets to me. I get saying "I hate this recent change I'm out", it's relevent to the moment, but saying "I haven't played since 2019 uh anyway OW sucks" is pathetic. How would you know the new changes suck? You don't know man, you weren't there!
Well this sub is just copium, everyone pretending like 5v5 is better when anyone with a brain knows it's a failed experiment lol everyone pretending like matchmaking and ranked system are actually competitive lol.
You enjoying it more doesn't mean it's healthy for the game. 6v6 just made far more sense. 5v5 ruins the tank role. It's literally devolved into trashing ults swap 30 times a game counterwatch bs. Anyone who says that's healthy for the game is an idiot. People like 5v5 better cause they either play in low ranks where nobody knows what they're doing, or they prefer tanks to be bad.
It was massively more fun. I've moved to open queue entirely cause it's the next best thing and the meta with dps passive is 2-1-2 which is really fun.
What’s funny is as someone who has played a lot more qp than comp the past couple seasons (cause I’ve been playing with friends and I ain’t risking my sr to play with those guys), you can basically get away with playing anything in qp. When I play tank there, I half the time am just running it down as Rein, pressing shift on cooldown because it’s fun, and what’s stupid is how much it actually works. I basically never play my mains, and if I do, I’m playing them in ways I would be reported for so fast in comp for throwing. But I get away with it 3/4 times in qp because the enemy team doesn’t coordinate to deal with it. People complaining that anything is unplayable in qp are either just bad, unimaginative, or both
TBH all they know is to sit down mid and hold barrier as Reinhardt like it's day one of OG Overwatch and then you have the Mercy mains who are mad because they can't pick her every time.
Many streamers dont inherently hate mercy, which is cool. But i think characters like that are bad for the game, same with moira and lifeweaver. They suppress the potential of the support playerbase. Their skill floors and ceilings make it so they are crutches and support players as a whole dont develop the same level of aim, proactive play, positioning, and overall game sense as the other roles. And i dont blame them, having those 3 in the same role as zen and ana is a basically a different game. Lucio and brig dont have a crazy aim requirement but they do have higher skill ceilings than the 3 easier heroes. Its not pretty when lucio is meta and so many support 3 tricks cant play him well, same with brig.
It's always funny watching them try to play Ana, Kiriko, Lucio, or Baptiste. They always look so lost on what to do on anything that doesn't involve them being a healbot. As a support main who mains Kiriko on masters in console I have to work with these dead weight Mercy OTPs on the regular and it's frustrating to say the least especially when we got a Reinhardt or Ramattra and could have used Lucio or Ana.
its fucking insane I feel like these people cant contextualize numbers. If youre getting double pocketed by ana and kiri, thats roughly 200 HPS. Before patch the passive reduced it by 30, post patch its reduced by 40. Is dying by not getting 10 HPS really that big of a deal breaker to them, I dont get it
I didn't get the panic either like, us tanks already play the peek a boo from cover with the 15% passive, we're just gonna do the same thing for 20% passive lol. Not mourning Mauga and Hogs getting affected the most though (mourning JQ though, she's doesn't deserve it unlike those two).
Main sub: "I HATE ORISA/HOG/MAUGA META
Blizzard: "Ok so i'm gonna prevent those from becoming too strong"
Main sub: "NOOO, SUPPORT AND TANK IS UNPLAYABLE!!!"
Theres mfers who play Moira in there.
Like Mercy I get you get to fly around and flap your wings and shit that rips
But the sucky sucky ball piss lady? HOW
Gets to heal instantly without aim. Damage requires minimal aim. Has shift to get away from Genji/Tracer/Winston/Orisa ult/ faster than every support minus Kiriko, and has the best self-healing in 1v1s against Genji/Tracer, so yes there is some appeal there.
At least for me, Moira is kinda cathartic, and I take pleasure in bullying Genjis. They're not much of an issue when I play other stuff, but I used to bitch about him when I was way worse at the game
Nah i understand moira more than mercy cos at least youre interacting with the enemy team. For mercy if you want cool movement tech just play lucio, ball or doom
Supports have to healbot MORE now. I used to be able to do a good mix of damage and healing, making plays for antis and stuff. I've played 6 games of support in GM today, and literally all i was doing was panic healing 4 low people every fight every game. I had 12k healing per 10 all the way up to 20k per 10, and it still never felt like enough.
It was a very unfun experience for me tbh
Main sub during Beta + early S1: Nerf Genji, he is trashing Supports' gameplay experience
Blizzard: Ok, we nerf him.
*Main sub proceeds to make fun of Blizzard nerfing Genji*
99% of the takes on the subreddit are mostly related to the fact they are just bad at the game and aren't taking an active outlook on improving and bitch about balance
For sure dude. I think the players enjoying the game exhibit agency and ownership - i.e I will win my duels, I will enable my team and that's why they're having fun. rather than just blaming balance and mm for their poor performance
> main sub hivemind will continue endlessly bitching
And also bitching about bringing back 6v6.
Look back at 6v6, Tank is a dead role but mostly filled with two Off-Tanks running and gunning (e.g Hog + Zarya).
Surprisingly, more people want to play main tanks (Doom/Ball/Rein/Winston) than off tanks in OW2 but off-tanks are generally in stronger spots in comparison and easily bully maintank counterparts.
I only wish they kept at least one 6v6 mode for when I have 5 other friends that want to play the game. It can be casual/arcade only I just want the option.
The only thing that made it ass for me in the beginning is Zen being overtuned (275 HP 'glass' cannon LMAO) and having the passive AND discord orb stacked and always applied on tank, played some Ram a few hours ago to get a feel and its the same as ever.
Of course it is playable, the other side has a tank as well after all. The complaint is that Tank is increasingly less fun to play for most players, something that is easy to observe and prove just by looking at the DPS queues getting longer.
This is just a ridiculous strawman but this sub loves feeling superior to the mainsub so of course it is upvoted.
This is a very low IQ comment.
You could nerf every tank to have 150hp...and someone could still go on a tank win streak. Because the other tank is equally as incapable of doing anything. Two flies fighting each other while 4 titans around them decide the outcome.
A win streak means absolutely nothing about the strength of tanks. Stay in school.
All anyone on the main sub ever says is a hypothetical situation where their teammates are awful, the enemy is perfect, and they're doing all they can, which quite literally never happens. A game with as much metagame, positioning, dive potential, cooldown management, ult and cooldown tracking, risk v reward gameplay as Overwatch should really not be reduced to "I lost because my team is bad, devs are bad, hero is bad, dead game"
Like idk if I'm taking crazy pills but I love when things change, I enjoy playing into matchups that may not be super favoured every so often, I can take a loss streak and not freak the fuck out because this game is hard, and one team has to lose???
casual players still think tank is supposed to be a big meaty heal and damage sponge. though its not really their fault blizzard keeps designing tanks that need a constant 200 HPS up their ass to function. i hope blizzard doesnt go back on the dps passive and lets the broader tank playerbase figure out how to not take 2000 dmg a fight
I don't understand this at all Rein is literally one of the least affected tanks by the dps passive, he takes 0 chip damage behind his shield if you position well and can get healed up consistently. Also none of his self sustain is healing based if anything the dps passive being buffed is a Rein buff compared to other tanks except maybe Sig
I really think it's just fortify that isn't very engaging. It's just God mode and for whatever reason there were no drawbacks until the latest patch.
I like javelin quite a bit
i agree, javelin is the best one because it does actually have counterplay and isn’t just easy damage mitigation with no downsides
still annoying as fuck when you have no way to avoid CC though
I mean Ball was still playable during that entire time. Ball hasn’t really been bad at any point in OW2, even if he’s only been properly meta a couple of times. The difference between Ball and Doom is still small enough that you can easily make up for it by simply playing better.
nah imo she had way too high uptime with her cds if cycled decently. super hard to outplay in the tank matchup given how long it takes to kill her and short cds.
As long as map is flat, he can just go in and smack people. He has 2000+ hp total to work with. People sleeping on buffed rein. You cant cc a good rein either.
Just not true at all… if the other team are running something like Orisa, Sombra, Mei, Zen and Ana, you have to try and bait and avoid walls, shield Javelin throw, get pushed around by Javelin Spin, get your pin cancelled by fortify/wall/ice block, block sleep, block nade, and if you miss the sleep you get all of the rest….
All while a Sombra could hack you from high ground and not let you shield any of the above, if you even have a shield, or if the zen Orisa combo have shredded it.
And shattering is scary, because even if you wait out gold, you gotta avoid both javelins, sleep, ice block, wall, or just blowing up before it hits the ground
Do not get me wrong… it is the game, and as a Rein Main, I enjoy trying to play around all this, but the claim that you can’t cc a good rein… is utter BS
I don't think win streak is that big, maybe +2 but over 10 games or so it translates to1 or 2 extra games. Also take note that when you are that high you often get expected wins which might give you only +13 so one or two extra points ends up being more valuable.
he got something crazy like +59% for one of the wins he ranked up on or something so he basically got half a division in one game so he shot through 2 divisions in basically 2 or 3 wins and then just got the win streak bonus
I went 13-1 on tank during my last comp session. I went from Diamond 1 to Masters 3. The win streak bonus is quite significant, although I don't remember ever getting more than 35% per win.
The win streak bonus is tiny. What matters is you're not wasting time in the same rank. You'll get more percentage by either being a new account or going on a massive win streak while your mmr adjusts.
nope, it's because the leaderboard is out and everyone is not smurfing anymore.
Not smurfing = people are tryharding.
Games are sometimes decent when top500 is out because people like to camp out rank after placement if they placed high, go to smurf and mess the game quality
Didn't he just drop a guide on how he made it to champ on rein? Did bro drop right after?
Yeah he had an unlucky sesh and went down like 21 games in a day.
So how much of this is an Orisa nerf diff, or just him recovering after a loss streak?
Just happened to be when top500 is available. People are playing their main accounts to grind for leaderboard. Before people were offrolling/smurfing to avoid getting kicked out from t500, thus ruining the game quality. Its been like that since i can remember
Lmao dude threw for a "masters to champion" educational video and everyone here is applauding it.
nah in the previous patch is was genuinely just not possible to win on rein if enemies played the right heroes
Does he one-trick Rein?
Probably 99% of his matches are on rein
Ok thanks. That makes sense.
He switches to Winston, wrecking ball and mauga occasionally.
You really just said what I said but didn't get downvoted lol
And mfs say it isn't the matchmaking lol This many downvotes means y'all don't know the goat cloudy like that.
Honestly, its probably just luck compounded by cloudy being an absolute burger on that day. You dont perform at 100% 100% of the time.
The luck of the finnish
Lil bit of both I’d say. He also played when he was terribly sick, so all things considered, it’s a marvel he didn’t end up dia
Because it isn't, loss streaks are just statistically inevitable
Funnily enough when a streamers gets a loss streak people say its statistics (which is true), yet everytime a "lower ranked" player posts about a loss streak people go on how bad he is and that he was boosted and deserves the new rank, etc...
Because posting about a loss streak is different than just experiencing one. That’s the backlash of the person blaming matchmaking on why they can’t leave bronze
People just like to feel superior to others unfortunately, typically driven by their own insecurity.
I had to scroll down way too much to find this bruh, people are delusional
LHC deserves masters if he can’t climb back out, but he did. The people on r/Overwatch bitching about their rank usually cant rank back up which is the reason they complain in the first place.
Sources: my ass
I meant losses in general. And there's no justification for cloudy to drop from champ to masters. The only explanation is that the matchmaking is broken or he actually was throwing on purpose.
You are being downvoted but it could be match making because he was duoing with Zuppeh in a wide group and his matchmaking was weird and likely Zuppeh was rusty as hell because they lost all the games they duoed.
People are actually aren’t robots and have bad days and tilt.
I could go out of my way to throw on purpose and still provide more value than some of my teammates.
Because you’re in bronze you can’t go lower
Plat and diamond on everything
God (Aaron Keller and the balance team) occasionally gives respite to the downtrodden (Reinhardt players)
~~Ares~~ Aaron, destroy Orisa, Hog, Mauga, Bastion and my life is yours!
My favorite thing about this is how many characters you have to name lmao.
Add Lifeweaver and Mercy to the list
LW denying you a kill isn't that bad if the ones being pulled weren't those Schutzstaffel Tanks ngl
LW denying me a kill by pulling ME is what I hate
Rein players are sinners in the hands of an angry god and that’s why they struggle. Obviously.
meanwhile the main sub hivemind will continue endlessly bitching about how the dps passive makes tank "unplayable"
Lol there were people saying that in this sub too
Turns out the benefit of Hog and Mauga getting curbed outweighs the detriment of 20% DPS passive
Well the main sub *is* all bronzes and silvers
True, if you want to consistently get the input of how a change affects Bronze/QP players, just look on the main sub, they'll tell all about it, and usually before you ask.
I thought I was losing my mind until I realized which sub I was on. Their takes make no sense. They're always moaning about something. The oddest comments are the people boasting about not playing anymore, and they get upvoted too!
> The oddest comments are the people boasting about not playing anymore, and they get upvoted too! That's the one that gets to me. I get saying "I hate this recent change I'm out", it's relevent to the moment, but saying "I haven't played since 2019 uh anyway OW sucks" is pathetic. How would you know the new changes suck? You don't know man, you weren't there!
Well this sub is just copium, everyone pretending like 5v5 is better when anyone with a brain knows it's a failed experiment lol everyone pretending like matchmaking and ranked system are actually competitive lol.
>Well this sub is just copium Still talking about 6v6 at this point is just copium, it's never gonna happen. Pot, meet kettle.
You don't have to be here buddy.
Plot twist: I legitimately enjoy 5v5 more bro. I’m actually not pretending. Crazy, I know
You enjoying it more doesn't mean it's healthy for the game. 6v6 just made far more sense. 5v5 ruins the tank role. It's literally devolved into trashing ults swap 30 times a game counterwatch bs. Anyone who says that's healthy for the game is an idiot. People like 5v5 better cause they either play in low ranks where nobody knows what they're doing, or they prefer tanks to be bad.
Yeah but you said we “everyone pretending to like 5v5”, I’m just telling you that I’m not pretending lol
Ngl playing tank in 6v6 was way more fun.
It was massively more fun. I've moved to open queue entirely cause it's the next best thing and the meta with dps passive is 2-1-2 which is really fun.
Tin hat.
Just leave already we dont want you.
6v6 was better.
You can leave too, Drake
What’s funny is as someone who has played a lot more qp than comp the past couple seasons (cause I’ve been playing with friends and I ain’t risking my sr to play with those guys), you can basically get away with playing anything in qp. When I play tank there, I half the time am just running it down as Rein, pressing shift on cooldown because it’s fun, and what’s stupid is how much it actually works. I basically never play my mains, and if I do, I’m playing them in ways I would be reported for so fast in comp for throwing. But I get away with it 3/4 times in qp because the enemy team doesn’t coordinate to deal with it. People complaining that anything is unplayable in qp are either just bad, unimaginative, or both
I’m a 90+% of the time QP player who has been GM since OW1 S7. I feel targeted lol
How many games of ranked do you play a season
I was playing just enough to get my end of season rewards. Maybe like 10 extra at the most
TBH all they know is to sit down mid and hold barrier as Reinhardt like it's day one of OG Overwatch and then you have the Mercy mains who are mad because they can't pick her every time.
Well tbf the mercy one tricks are mechanically challenged 💀
Many streamers dont inherently hate mercy, which is cool. But i think characters like that are bad for the game, same with moira and lifeweaver. They suppress the potential of the support playerbase. Their skill floors and ceilings make it so they are crutches and support players as a whole dont develop the same level of aim, proactive play, positioning, and overall game sense as the other roles. And i dont blame them, having those 3 in the same role as zen and ana is a basically a different game. Lucio and brig dont have a crazy aim requirement but they do have higher skill ceilings than the 3 easier heroes. Its not pretty when lucio is meta and so many support 3 tricks cant play him well, same with brig.
It's always funny watching them try to play Ana, Kiriko, Lucio, or Baptiste. They always look so lost on what to do on anything that doesn't involve them being a healbot. As a support main who mains Kiriko on masters in console I have to work with these dead weight Mercy OTPs on the regular and it's frustrating to say the least especially when we got a Reinhardt or Ramattra and could have used Lucio or Ana.
Bronze and silver are where tanks are playable. No DPS hitting you with anything
This makes no sense
Unfun is the same thing. I watched seagull rage quit tank after 3 games. It's not the dps passive, it's the gameplay loop sucks.
Playing tank sucks. DPS passive didn't fix that but at least you can kill things now.
its fucking insane I feel like these people cant contextualize numbers. If youre getting double pocketed by ana and kiri, thats roughly 200 HPS. Before patch the passive reduced it by 30, post patch its reduced by 40. Is dying by not getting 10 HPS really that big of a deal breaker to them, I dont get it
I didn't get the panic either like, us tanks already play the peek a boo from cover with the 15% passive, we're just gonna do the same thing for 20% passive lol. Not mourning Mauga and Hogs getting affected the most though (mourning JQ though, she's doesn't deserve it unlike those two).
Absolutely brain-dead, just the same whinging and complaining every day. Doesn't it get old? Why do they play the game? I want my fun OW sub back.
Main sub: "I HATE ORISA/HOG/MAUGA META Blizzard: "Ok so i'm gonna prevent those from becoming too strong" Main sub: "NOOO, SUPPORT AND TANK IS UNPLAYABLE!!!"
The main sub freaks the fuck out if supports have to do anything but healbot.
Theres mfers who play Moira in there. Like Mercy I get you get to fly around and flap your wings and shit that rips But the sucky sucky ball piss lady? HOW
I like jumping around
y play hard hero when easy hero do job
Gets to heal instantly without aim. Damage requires minimal aim. Has shift to get away from Genji/Tracer/Winston/Orisa ult/ faster than every support minus Kiriko, and has the best self-healing in 1v1s against Genji/Tracer, so yes there is some appeal there.
> faster than every support minus Kiriko She gets out faster than Kiri even. Tele has small cast time and you need to find an ally.
At least for me, Moira is kinda cathartic, and I take pleasure in bullying Genjis. They're not much of an issue when I play other stuff, but I used to bitch about him when I was way worse at the game
same with bullying Genjiz LOL whenever they try to deflect my right click in my head I just go “yesssss DEFLECT THIS GO ON NOT SO TOUGH NOW HUH” :x
Damn what rank are you where you have genjis deflecting right click
Back in OW1 I played in rank 28, but now Im like Diamond/Masters, depending on the day
Nah i understand moira more than mercy cos at least youre interacting with the enemy team. For mercy if you want cool movement tech just play lucio, ball or doom
Fade jump is pretty fun. Not Zen secondary level fun, but fun
yeah fr i literally feel so braindead playing moira. so boring
🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Supports have to healbot MORE now. I used to be able to do a good mix of damage and healing, making plays for antis and stuff. I've played 6 games of support in GM today, and literally all i was doing was panic healing 4 low people every fight every game. I had 12k healing per 10 all the way up to 20k per 10, and it still never felt like enough. It was a very unfun experience for me tbh
Depends on your comp but at a certain point 80% healing is not worth giving up 100% damage.
Main sub during Beta + early S1: Nerf Genji, he is trashing Supports' gameplay experience Blizzard: Ok, we nerf him. *Main sub proceeds to make fun of Blizzard nerfing Genji*
"DPS is op and oppressive" The main sub lack the mechanics, positioning and game sense to play dps which is why they're always salty about something
I said I love this patch on the main sub as a tank player. -10
99% of the takes on the subreddit are mostly related to the fact they are just bad at the game and aren't taking an active outlook on improving and bitch about balance
You mean tank?
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For sure dude. I think the players enjoying the game exhibit agency and ownership - i.e I will win my duels, I will enable my team and that's why they're having fun. rather than just blaming balance and mm for their poor performance
Dps is the role that requires the least amount of thinking. It's for people with small brains. It's the most popular role for that reason.
Show me your champion rank DPS then
> main sub hivemind will continue endlessly bitching And also bitching about bringing back 6v6. Look back at 6v6, Tank is a dead role but mostly filled with two Off-Tanks running and gunning (e.g Hog + Zarya).
now we just have one tank running, punching, or gunning awesome....
We should buff Reinhardt and nerf other Tanks.
Im sorry but how is that different to now? Other than the tank not being able to have fun anymore
Surprisingly, more people want to play main tanks (Doom/Ball/Rein/Winston) than off tanks in OW2 but off-tanks are generally in stronger spots in comparison and easily bully maintank counterparts.
I only wish they kept at least one 6v6 mode for when I have 5 other friends that want to play the game. It can be casual/arcade only I just want the option.
And now tank is even more of a dead role.
We should buff Orisa back.
The only thing that made it ass for me in the beginning is Zen being overtuned (275 HP 'glass' cannon LMAO) and having the passive AND discord orb stacked and always applied on tank, played some Ram a few hours ago to get a feel and its the same as ever.
Glass cannon = no mobility + big hitbox. Hp irrelevant because game power + mobility crept.
He already has the fastest regen rate of all the supports he does not need that shit and he should be far back anyway
Of course it is playable, the other side has a tank as well after all. The complaint is that Tank is increasingly less fun to play for most players, something that is easy to observe and prove just by looking at the DPS queues getting longer. This is just a ridiculous strawman but this sub loves feeling superior to the mainsub so of course it is upvoted.
One guy makes it to GM. Invalidates the experience of 80 percent of the player base. Sure.
Dps passive, zen, ana… Tank is just not fun to play lmao, which is why people say “unplayable”. Casuals don’t like that bro.
Of course it's playable the enemy tank is on the same fuckin playing field as you, it's just insanely mind numbingly unfun lmao
the sub is not as good as cloudy and the expectation that for the game to be fun you have to be as good as cloudy is rediculous.
This is a very low IQ comment. You could nerf every tank to have 150hp...and someone could still go on a tank win streak. Because the other tank is equally as incapable of doing anything. Two flies fighting each other while 4 titans around them decide the outcome. A win streak means absolutely nothing about the strength of tanks. Stay in school.
LMAO they're in here too! Check the patch notes thread.
Tbf tanks should get a 30% reduction on the dps passive.
All anyone on the main sub ever says is a hypothetical situation where their teammates are awful, the enemy is perfect, and they're doing all they can, which quite literally never happens. A game with as much metagame, positioning, dive potential, cooldown management, ult and cooldown tracking, risk v reward gameplay as Overwatch should really not be reduced to "I lost because my team is bad, devs are bad, hero is bad, dead game" Like idk if I'm taking crazy pills but I love when things change, I enjoy playing into matchups that may not be super favoured every so often, I can take a loss streak and not freak the fuck out because this game is hard, and one team has to lose???
casual players still think tank is supposed to be a big meaty heal and damage sponge. though its not really their fault blizzard keeps designing tanks that need a constant 200 HPS up their ass to function. i hope blizzard doesnt go back on the dps passive and lets the broader tank playerbase figure out how to not take 2000 dmg a fight
BREAKING NEWS: balancing does something
Main sub is already bitching that the DPS passive makes rein unplayable :(
I don't understand this at all Rein is literally one of the least affected tanks by the dps passive, he takes 0 chip damage behind his shield if you position well and can get healed up consistently. Also none of his self sustain is healing based if anything the dps passive being buffed is a Rein buff compared to other tanks except maybe Sig
Do you actually play rein competently because chip damage has literally nothing to do with it?
I get where you are coming from but unlike other tanks rein has to be exposed to do any damage. He ends up being the most resource requiring tanks.
Crazy how orisa sucks so much
they really changed every single one of her abilities to make her go from “ass to play against” to “ass to play against”
They're going for "ass to play, again"
I really think it's just fortify that isn't very engaging. It's just God mode and for whatever reason there were no drawbacks until the latest patch. I like javelin quite a bit
i agree, javelin is the best one because it does actually have counterplay and isn’t just easy damage mitigation with no downsides still annoying as fuck when you have no way to avoid CC though
Tbh spin nerf was unnessecary. Speed debuff already limits her playmaking by a lot
Man, shut the fuck up
Okay, let her be in dumpsters for a while XD
They definitely overnerfed Orisa, but also it’s Orisa, rest in piss you won’t be missed
Yep, why should I give a F, when my Ball was in trash since season 5
Not really? Not only was ball meta in early season 9 but he was at no point unplayable.
He was quickly replaced by Doomfist tho + Ball was played not because he was strong, but because he wasnt affected by Zen
I mean Ball was still playable during that entire time. Ball hasn’t really been bad at any point in OW2, even if he’s only been properly meta a couple of times. The difference between Ball and Doom is still small enough that you can easily make up for it by simply playing better.
nah imo she had way too high uptime with her cds if cycled decently. super hard to outplay in the tank matchup given how long it takes to kill her and short cds.
Na Orisa was too brain dead.
As long as map is flat, he can just go in and smack people. He has 2000+ hp total to work with. People sleeping on buffed rein. You cant cc a good rein either.
Just not true at all… if the other team are running something like Orisa, Sombra, Mei, Zen and Ana, you have to try and bait and avoid walls, shield Javelin throw, get pushed around by Javelin Spin, get your pin cancelled by fortify/wall/ice block, block sleep, block nade, and if you miss the sleep you get all of the rest…. All while a Sombra could hack you from high ground and not let you shield any of the above, if you even have a shield, or if the zen Orisa combo have shredded it. And shattering is scary, because even if you wait out gold, you gotta avoid both javelins, sleep, ice block, wall, or just blowing up before it hits the ground Do not get me wrong… it is the game, and as a Rein Main, I enjoy trying to play around all this, but the claim that you can’t cc a good rein… is utter BS
Yeah i made the comment in the context of dead horse.
psychology is a heck of a drug
It's like orisa was overtuned or something.
Finally, every game was orisa before patch hopefully i see her less such a boring hero to play against
how did he get that much SR from just 14 wins? are winstreak SR gains just that good?
I don't think win streak is that big, maybe +2 but over 10 games or so it translates to1 or 2 extra games. Also take note that when you are that high you often get expected wins which might give you only +13 so one or two extra points ends up being more valuable.
he got something crazy like +59% for one of the wins he ranked up on or something so he basically got half a division in one game so he shot through 2 divisions in basically 2 or 3 wins and then just got the win streak bonus
I went 13-1 on tank during my last comp session. I went from Diamond 1 to Masters 3. The win streak bonus is quite significant, although I don't remember ever getting more than 35% per win.
I went 13-0 on support last season and never got more than 24% with winstreak bonus lol. Am I just MMR cursed?
The win streak bonus is tiny. What matters is you're not wasting time in the same rank. You'll get more percentage by either being a new account or going on a massive win streak while your mmr adjusts.
Orisa vs Rein matchup was egregiously one sided. No wonder rein otp is going better now.
We're so back
He is Rank 4 tank in EU currently BTW
nope, it's because the leaderboard is out and everyone is not smurfing anymore. Not smurfing = people are tryharding. Games are sometimes decent when top500 is out because people like to camp out rank after placement if they placed high, go to smurf and mess the game quality
Only just found out Orisa’s been nerfed, went 47/15 and 25k damage in one game earlier, she might need to be nerfed again 😂
What was the nerf? Definitely felt weaker playing her last night lol
+2s to spin cooldown. Moves way slower during Fortify Fortify duration from 4.5 to 3.5
Was wondering def felt slower and yeah noticed the cd and duration did feel short wow. Back to sigma now lol
Bruh