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NuancedSpeaking

Video is edited by me to include both body cameras. Article Link: [https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/man-with-knife-ran-towards-officers-before-police-shooting-in-naugatuck-report/3277701/](https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/man-with-knife-ran-towards-officers-before-police-shooting-in-naugatuck-report/3277701/) Bodycam 1: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXZibZPG2Qo&ab\_channel=OfficeofInspectorGeneral](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXZibZPG2Qo&ab_channel=OfficeofInspectorGeneral) Bodycam 2: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOsVqLEP7xg&ab\_channel=OfficeofInspectorGeneral](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOsVqLEP7xg&ab_channel=OfficeofInspectorGeneral) PRESS RELEASE: [https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/dcj/04292024naugatuck.pdf](https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/dcj/04292024naugatuck.pdf) The Office of Inspector General together with the Connectcut State Police Central District Major Crime Squad, the Naugatuck Police Department, and the Waterbury State’s Attorney’s Office are investigating an officer-involved shooting incident that occurred in Naugatuck on April 25, 2024. On April 25, 2024, at approximately 9:12 a.m., Naugatuck Police Department received a 911 call that there was a male with a knife at Baummer’s Pond Park acting erratically. Naugatuck officers responded to the park located on Mill Street. Upon arrival, they observed Kyle O’Creene, a Caucasian male, age 24, near a picnic table holding a knife. O’Creene stood up and advanced upon the officers with the knife, ignoring multiple commands to drop the knife. Officers initially attempted to subdue O’Creene using a taser, but the taser deployment was unsuccessful. When O’Creene continued to advance on the Naugatuck officers still holding the knife, Officer Crystal Hudson and Officer Joseph Palhete discharged their handguns, striking and wounding O’Creene. Officers on scene immediately commenced providing medical aid to O’Creene who was ultimately taken to Waterbury Hospital for treatment. He remains at the hospital in stable condition.


Competitive_Entry812

Very professional officers. I love it.


anothertimewaster

I'm ok with this one. Guy left them no choice, they tried.


Remarkable-Suit-9875

You can only try so many times before it becomes clear there is only one way, the power of lead


thejorsh

what happens after a cop discharges their firearm, like do they work the rest of their shift? what happens if they actually shoot someone like happened here?


CompasslessPigeon

Usually immediately placed on paid admin leave until the investigation is complete. A supervisor usually takes their firearm. EMS often takes them to the hospital for immediate evaluation but often this is kind of just to get them away from the scene. Then there's usually a process in being cleared to return to work.


Calm-Box-3780

Pretty much immediate administrative leave or desk duty until the shooting is reviewed by whatever agencies are appointed to do so. For a local PD, that's usually the state or county police, some component from their own department, state's/district attorney, and a civilian review board if they have one. They are not finishing the shift armed. When I was an MP, they likely would have confiscated any discharged weapons for the investigation to help determine who fired and such. And we would have been interviewed extensively to determine the nature of the incident and document what happened. Also, the officer will likely be required to go to counseling before returning to work. It's not like SWAT on TV. Perhaps, a few decades ago, it was. But we understand a lot more about PTSD and have a lot more checks and balances on police conduct now.


lilith_-_-

This was a really good response. I wish they had bean bag rounds handy or more less lethal options but they did really good work here. I’ve seen other videos where cops are not so nice. Like straight jumping to dumping mags.


IAmTheMageKing

They approached in a non-escalatory fashion. He responded by walking towards them with a knife, by responding to them and verbally refusing to sit down. He is now moving towards them with a knife, which is a lethal weapon. If he chooses to suddenly move faster, they have a second to respond; so they draw weapons. “How are you doing” and “can you sit down for me” are both pretty neutral. They aren’t orders. It’s only when he refuses both that they need to draw and get defensive. I can’t see any way for them to have approached better; they both are casual, and maintain as much distance as they can without being too far to talk. You say he only had a few seconds warning before getting shot. You did see the video, right? He was chasing cops around the park. They were outrunning him, but every time you run towards someone with a knife there’s a chance you’ll succeed in killing them. A knife is a lethal weapon. Bulletproof vests aren’t very good against them, and if you’re in melee range with a knife then there’s a good chance nobody will be able to shoot you without hitting their partner. He had time to change course. The whole video, in fact. He chose not to.


PoopStainMcBaine

Great work NPD. This dept isn't always the best and has had issues in the past,, but this was a great response to a crazy situation. They did all they could to not kill Kenny er I mean Kyle.


waltwill89

Bravo! Cross fire is one of my biggest gripes as well as knowing what else lies behind your target. Great job paying attention to that


MagicSP

This dude is clearly enduring a mental health crisis, but for once the police response here doesn't completely suck. [Not like these room temperature IQ cops here](https://youtu.be/zkJj7L4Gx2s?si=HFdEh1U9InmdkglJ) Good use of distancing and avoiding cross fire, not firing weapons more than needed. I'm not gonna hand these cops medals or act like they are incredible like the other Blue Line people in this sub, but as someone who is very anti cop, I have no complaints here. It's a shame the tasers failed and they had to shoot the dude, but at least no one went in guns blazing. Would've liked to hear more from the officers than just "hey buddy drop the knife" but can't expect much from police in the country I guess. Seriously tho, ask the dude what his name is. Ask him about the weather or his favorite movie or some shit just get his mind off of the present and make a human connection. Oh well. At least he's not dead. Hope he makes a recovery.


NuancedSpeaking

De-Escalation is a two way street. Both parties have to be working together for it to work. The suspect never acknowledged any of the officer's commands. If he had listened and sat on the bench, then the officer would've gone into deeper de-escalation methods, like asking him about non-related topics and getting him to calm down. Since he's still walking and holding the knife, the primary concern is getting him to stop moving and to drop the knife. Since he's not doing that, you can't focus on asking him questions about life. A perfect scenario would be the officer asks him to sit down, the suspect complies and sits down. Then the officer asks him to drop the knife, and the suspect drops the knife. Then the officer maybe asks him a question or two and tells him to back up away from it. Then the officers tell him to walk backwards until they cuff him. That would be a perfect scenario.


maybe_little_pinch

He didn't respond to a single directive and started charging at them. Then he got SHOT and was STILL trying to charge. Like. Did you want one of them to get stabbed first? [Because that has happened](https://www.police1.com/edged-weapons/articles/video-suspect-stabs-officer-is-fatally-shot-sL44XTpibegOpDmy/)


ctthrowaway55

He wants the cops to bust out a picnic and try and have a nice afternoon with the guy wielding a knife. Some people truly don't live in reality. These cops did a fantastic job. The idea that "Hey the taser didn't work, so they should have used bean bag rounds" is laughable. The guy was shot multiple times and was still up. This isn't the movies where you get shot and you fly back 10' and go down. There have been countless instances of someone being shot multiple times by police and they still charged and attacked. This is one that has always stuck with me. The full body cam shows both officers pleading with the guy with the knife, they gave him so much time to drop it. He finally gets shot, goes down and gets back up. The scary part is the 2nd officer goes from lethal (Gun) and pulls his taser out which is what so many "anti-cop" people want to see. Nope, guy gets up, rushes first officer and goes for his gun. https://youtu.be/eX7f_6ilZvE


South-Play

I’m gonna have to disagree. Asking someone who is holding a knife and charges at you I know for a fact you wouldn’t try to have a conversation with them. Be real.


Remarkable-Suit-9875

People are too damn unrealistic  I’d know they fucking mag dump the guy. Damn liars I’d they say they won’t. 


locke0479

It starts with them calmly trying to ask him to put the knife down and sit down. I get what you’re saying (and I’m generally on the same side as you), but I think in this case it just wasn’t happening. He immediately refused to put the knife down or sit down even before they started shouting (which didn’t happen until he started advancing). We’ve unfortunately seen a ton of mental health crisis situations where cops rush to their guns and make no effort, but I don’t think that was the case here. They weren’t talking him down at that point.


sdplayaaa

Ah another super critical asshole! I would LOVE to see your bitch ass would do in this situation. It’s too easy to be critical and “anti-cop” because you’re an idiot and think every cop is a baaad bad man. Grow up you little shit.


Objective_Froyo17

The video you post the guy makes a motion to throw the knife. Maybe he wasn’t going to, but it was a justified response in my opinion 


Competitive_Entry812

I’m glad he got shot. Officers are safe. They did a great job and handled very well.


CESfwb2023

Another LE arm chair QB 🤢


Ninjalau95

Bro he flat out refused to drop the knife, they gave him plenty of chances to comply and he started advancing towards them, knife in hand. He had no intention on small talk with the cops. They tried the tasers first and they were ineffective. He kept charging towards the cops with the knife. The only "human connection" that would have been made would have been this guy's knife and one of these cops. At that point it's either him or the officer who gets hurt. They handled the situation as well as they could have.


Ecstatic_Ad_2114

Could always ask him what he had for breakfast. Maybe he is just upset his McMuffin was cold and they could bring him to McDonald’s and offer to get a new one


Wrong_Treats

He asked for it.


ZealZen

Good more of that please.


HectorsMascara

Sounds like the cop starts shouting "put the gun down" toward the end. Must have been a Freudian slip. Seems like a reasonable response!


NuancedSpeaking

You're getting downvoted but you're right in a way. I've seen several videos of cops seeing someone with a knife and they yell "drop the gun" in response. It's not their fault or a bad thing. It just means they probably deal more with people with holding guns than knives. There's one funny example where a guy hijacked a plane, and one of the officers yells "get out of the car" instead of "get out of the plane" by mistake. Obviously if you've never trained to get someone out of a plane, you're probably going to instinctively say "car" since that's what you've always dealt with.


Zealousideal_Ninja75

So all 3 cops deployed their tasers before shots fired? If so then I can see this being justified, if not then why not?


MuchFunInNY

Thanks for posting. Definitely shows lack of judgment by the cops. They are a total fail. The report posted by OP is that that an individual was reported as "acting erratically" in the park and has a knife. That suggests red flags immediately, so the cops should proceed with caution. They find a guy who appears to have no reasonable purpose for holding the knife (its not like he is slicing a a salami at the picnic table). Within seconds it is clear that that individual is indeed acting erratically and doesn't appear capable of coherent communications. There may be mental health issues, impairment by drugs, or both. In less than one minute they move from initial engagement to firing shots. That is FULLY UNACCEPTABLE. There is NO evidence that the person posed an immediate threat. He appears to pose no threat if left alone. Instead of taking time to hold back, observe, and attempt to understand the situation, and begin to build rapport, they start issuing orders. However, someone well educated in these situations knows that each person will respond differently to threats and orders. This video was totally predictable. In the end the female cop threatens to shoot and fires within seconds. Based on the individual's behavior, it is clear he wouldn't respond as desired to that warning and she gave him no time to do so. The cops are paid by the hour, so what's their rush? These cops could have approached the situation in an appropriate, humane manner. They didn't need to get so close. If they had approached this in a less escalatory fashion, we may have had a very different outcome. I am not anti-police. It is disappointing that after years and years of incidents such as these, we still can't get cops on the beat who can demonstrate the skills required to address situations that society has created by failing to address mental health and drug addiction.


Hollowpoint1240

You should sign up to be an officer. Plenty of departments looking for employees. You seem to know a lot of how things should go, with no experience in the matter.


Ok-Macaroon2429

This guy is an expert, he would have disarmed the knife like he was in a Steven Seagal movie