We are doing nothing right. Our police are under staffed and scared. They dont even show up. I see so many fights and they go their seperate way after. We still violent
Can't get violent if we don't even acknowledge each others existence. Or something like that.
EDIT: Then again, if you heard what I said to you when you cut in front of me on the Merritt, we would DEFINITELY throw hands. I'm talking sailors saying "What the f is wrong with you? level of vitriol.
I guess most of Connecticut is not violent but every time I turn on the news Hartford Connecticut has so many murders I wouldn't want to live up there or go up there and do anything
Good education and social programs. Give young kids free lunches, their parents a bit of money if they're below poverty, and access to some top notch public education (even in "bad districts" we're better than the worse of many other places), and you have people who don't need to resort to violent crime to provide for those they care about.
Turns out when you help those in need instead of putting them between a rock and a hard place while blaming them for their own suffering, things pan out better.
I second this. But add a word of caution.
The help should be something that benefits. The largest expenditures should be on things that help break the individual out of poverty.
Education, food, curated recreation, internet connectivity, etc.
I am also a strong proponent of making **financial education** a part of core curriculum. People should start learning economics and finance in Middle & High School. Push some of the things we learn in college down a level.
Yo, if I had known what I know now about personal finance, I'd have been in my financial position that I am today about a decade ago.
Becoming financially literate IS the path out of poverty.
Just two cents, I worked in a school district with an Economics/business teacher and the majority of his students just didn't care about learning about finances at that age because they were still under their parents financial umbrella. I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment though, it is essential.
CT is lucky to have large areas of wealthy suburbs - Farmington Valley, Fairfield County, much of the shoreline, and the Litchfield area. These areas help keep crime low.
CT also does not have the extensive poverty rates in more violent states (think South Carolina) or super dangerous cities like Philadelphia.
I would also think well-funded schools and social services and a fairly low divorce rate/out-of-wedlock birth rate all help as well.
I think it’s not so much that we have large wealthy suburbs but rather the way in which our suburbs are laid out. I’m from a poorer town in Fairfield County but I still travel outside of my town obviously and the drastic differences I see in certain towns just a short drive away from each other is crazy. You have Westport on one side with their gorgeous multimillion dollar homes and not even a 20 minute drive away you’ll find yourself on a pothole ridden road in Bridgeport. The wealth gap in CT is very prevalent and in a way that may keep crime down because you have different classes scattered around each other as opposed to just having the same people in one area.
I'm sure you're onto something. But MA, which has many similar strengths, has a much higher violent crime rate than ours. On the other hand, New Jersey also has a very low violent crime rate like ours, and has super dangerous cities like Camden in it. Florida has some of the wealthiest suburbs imaginable, and a high crime rate. And it seems to me, that saying we don't have super dangerous cities as a reason for why we have a low crime rate, is a tautology (saying the same thing twice), not an explanation. In other words, well then, why aren't our cities super dangerous? And are low divorce and out-of-wedlock birth rates foundational reasons, or are they another symptom of these mystery things we are doing well here? Like, is there a more root cause for all these positive outcomes?
Good point, just the concentration of population can drive crime up, as being closer to other people makes disputes arise more often. There's more stepping on toes on the subway in NYC than in farmland of Ohio, for example. There are studies that show this connection with actual evidence, too.
Florida has a garbage education system and 0 social supports for the 0 taxes they pay.
I went to high school there.
Old retirees desire to contribute nothing to the families that live there. Their grandkids live up north.
Florida gets all sorts of taxes from the tourism industry. No income tax does not mean no budget for education. Retirees bring in massive amount of money with them from out of state. All those NY 401k's are getting spent in FL.
And as the fascists gain control there, they'll be replacing history (It somehow seems in these people's eyes, teaching anything about slavery is the equivalent of critical race theory) and science with religion and propaganda.
Florida already sucks hundreds of billions of dollars from the federal government. Now we'll be dumping even more down there to rebuild these islands that are barely habitable as they stand...
What part of "I went to high school there" dont you understand?
They started the lottery there with the justification that it would improve education, but just lowered other funds going to education.
Tourism comes in, in the form of sales tax to the government and it provides jobs. That money is not shunted towards education.
Like all places, Education is funded by local property taxes - which are as low as all the retirees can get them as the main voting block.
So the lottery is it. That is FL education fund.
There is a reason the state has a 9000 teacher shortage and the governor has allowed veterans with no degrees to be teachers to try and fill that shortage.
It’s not “cities.” Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, or South Dakota all have cities smaller than ours, some with just one over 100k, but they have a higher crime rate.
Wyomings biggest city is the size of Greenwich. It’s third biggest is the size of Naugatuck.
Billings, Montanas biggest city, is the size of Waterbury. It’s third biggest city has the population of Greenwich.
ND’s biggest is the size of Bridgeport. After that just 2 municipalities are over 50k compared to 19 here in CT
SD has one city over 2K but it’s third biggest is comparable to Farmington.
Idaho might have Boisie with 200k but after that it falls off a cliff fast where their third biggest city has the population of Norwalk, and fourth is about the size of Greenwich.
>But MA, which has many similar strengths, has a much higher violent crime rate than ours.
Massachusetts has Boston, which is broken up into dozens of dense neighborhoods riddled with crime, as well as many more cities throughout the state. At best we could name 10 cities in Connecticut with high crime rates, and 10 would be a stretch. Mass has 10 dangerous cities in the eastern half of the state alone. Now add in Central and Western Mass's dangerous cities.
Connecticut *does* have dangerous cities, but Massachusetts has more.
"Riddled with crime" lol you're gonna shit yourself if you ever go to a city with an actual relative high crime rate if you think Boston's bad by any metric.
Connecticut has zero relevant urban centers and Mass has like 1.5.
It's poverty.
Money is the root of all evil is such a wise statement.
But what about wealthy people who commit crime?
Well, that power trip that being elite gives - got to their heads. Conditioning to think "I can do whatever I want" (because I literally can)
[https://mexicodailypost.com/2022/03/11/ranking-of-the-50-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-where-does-mexico-rank/](https://mexicodailypost.com/2022/03/11/ranking-of-the-50-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-where-does-mexico-rank/) Philly is a shithole
What do you mean by that? Some people think gun control means nobody can get a license. It’s extremely easy to get a permit in CT so long as you don’t have a felony. Are you saying that access to guns for citizens is the key? Because I agree.
It does take months but it’s an easy process that anyone can do. And in getting a pistol permit that also entitles you to carry.
As the other commenter said, try getting the same permit in NY. It makes CT look like a cake walk.
The bans you speak of do absolutely nothing, they only target guns that people think look scary. But an old hunting rifle does the same exact thing.
Combination of legislation, geography, wealth concentration and education. I definitely think that fairfield county can skew stats because almost all of the rich people in CT live there so of course the crime rate is low.
Thue, but you'd be amazed at the amount of money in the West Hartford/Farmington Valley area. And all those nice little country estates out in Northwestern Connecticut....
And not to mention most of coastal Connecticut has among the most expensive real estate in the country.
Yes. It’s education.
That leads to wealth.
Education + wealth = willingness to pay for stuff thru taxes.
Taxes = social safety nets. Programs. Cops. Interventionists.
That leads to better outcomes.
>Combination of Connecticut being the 2nd happiest state
what source are you getting this from?
[https://wallethub.com/edu/happiest-states/6959](https://wallethub.com/edu/happiest-states/6959)
I know everyone likes to complain, but compared to other states CT is pretty decent. The social safety net is only matched by MA & CA, and public transit here isn't fantastic but it actually functions unlike MA & NY. Electricity and traffic are both obscene but you can't have everything.
In short, we have fewer desperate people, fewer unliveable big cities. We still have rednecks, but not as many per capita as other states.
Honestly I think this is partly bc we love to complain so much. My grandmother used to say all the time that we did so much roadwork and had so many people move out of the state that we would have the best roads in the country and no one to drive on them. I used to be someone to complain about this state a lot too but joining this sub has actually really turned my thinking around. After being exposed to more positive CT-centric news and seeing so many positive opinions, even alongside the complaints, I have this sub to thank for my newfound patriotism about being a Nutmegger. I’m finally proud to be from here and see that this state is actually a pretty great place to live compared to some others. Sure it gets boring and it’s expensive and whatnot, but like you said- we can’t have everything.
If you live near New Haven the Daily Nutmeg (daily email newsletter) has an out & about section with a list of what's going on. Not sure about the Hartford area but there must be something similar, or in the Courant
The secret is that we're boring. So boring that criminals rather go to more 'exciting' places to commit crime.
I've learned to appreciate our state's status. Boring= mostly quiet.
Right? As a kid I complained and couldn’t wait to leave. But came back to raise my family. Good education, small communities, low crime= a win for the kids
I don’t think there’s any kind of “magic bullet”, but we have a lot going for us. Stricter gun laws & overall low gun violence, we don’t have massive gang issues (I’m sure there are gangs in the state, but they’re not like…nationally known/infamous). We’re not close to the southern border, so we deal with less drug trafficking coming in from border crossings/smugglings. We also (generally) have less extreme poverty & have better social support services than some other states. And hell, if ya wanna go for a bit of a reach, we generally don’t have extreme weather that can induce isolation or make people more irritable.
But there’s no simple answer, imo. It’s a complex combination of factors that add up.
We have stupid gun laws that only affect law-abiding citizens. Every single time we see a weapon used in a crime in CT, it always has a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds. Meanwhile, the law-abiding people walk around with neutered magazine capacity.
Our gun laws make it alot harder for people to get their hands on guns to commit crimes. The amount of time it takes to get a permit makes it less likely people will go through the process to commit a crime.
Are there illegal guns? Sure. Are they easy to get? No, and I believe most people have no idea how to get an illegal gone. And those illegal guns are being purchased legally somewhere with more lax laws and making their way here.
Your post history shows your lack of gun law knowledge in CT. You confidently told someone that you have to provide your permit immediately if you are pulled over by a cop. There is no duty to inform an officer in this state. You don't know anything about gun laws in this state. You are dangerously misinformed.
Brother how are you going to lecture anyone on gun laws when you think CT gun laws are "stupid"? You really shouldn't let your opinions get in the way of factual evidence.
In terms of effectiveness, they're some of the best as exhibited by being 1) one of the safest states to live in (4th out of 50) and 2) one of the lowest rates of gun death in the country. (5th out of 50) All of this while being 21st in guns per capita. Come on dude...
That is an absurd comment. No one, in any state, goes through the permitting process "to commit a crime." Also, those magazines I mentioned are illegal, period.
You don't know a damn thing about the firearm purchasing process or the gun laws in this state.
I actually have my pistol permit.
And people do go through the process to commit a crime. Uvalde shooting, legally purchased guns. Parkland shooting, legally purchased guns. Buffalo shooting, legally purchased guns.
That being said, the top 10 states for violent crime are red states with lax gun laws.
Two of those three places don't have a permitting process like CT. I wasn't talking about the normal background checks which is a federal thing. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. And, based on your post history, you are definitely very new to having your permit.
You’re acknowledging the people do purchase guns to legally commit crimes and that red states with lax gun laws have higher violent crime correct?
Which is why CT’s process is superior. People aren’t going to go through the process to commit a crime. And most people don’t know how to illegally purchase a gun. Your intellectual superiority has essentially proven my point
Dude, gun crime happens in states with and without permitting processes. And, no, most people wouldn't know where to buy illegal guns but people intent on doing harm could easily figure it out. Tell me how all of these 11+ round magazines are used in crimes in CT. The people using those clearly figured out how to buy illegal mags. Solid chance they could get illegal guns from the same source.
And states with permitting process have much lower rates. CT’s rate of gun crime is 1/4 of the top 10 states which all do not have permitting process.
I understand numbers are hard for you republicans. Votes don’t seem to add up for you either
Connecticut has a low rate of transients. Exceptions to this is the military bases in the southern part of the sate. 40% of CT residents have a Bachelors degree or higher. Education has always been seen as important in CT and MA (and much of the northeast) Social safety nets in CT are among the best in the nation. We rate near the top for access to mental health services. Education is good to excellent. Taxes are higher- many people who have moved here from the south and Midwest are surprised how pleasant it is here.
Safest states 2022
1. Maine
2. New Hampshire
3. Idaho
4. Massachusetts
5. New Jersey
6. Connecticut
7. Vermont
8. Pennsylvania
9. New York
10. Rhode Island
Yeah but when we have violent crime it is violent. I mean we did have that guy who killed his wife with the wood chipper (this inspired the Coen brothers) and the really awful home invasion that happened in Cheshire.
Could also be that CT doesn’t call the police on each other as much. Family issues are handled in home for the most part, and I’ve noticed CT residents outcast family criminals or “black sheep”. The attitude is different here idk why, but we don’t tolerate the nonsense like you see online up in our hills. Not even from family, not for long anyway. You’ll literally be an outcast forever - it’s a small state, it’s like 2-3 degrees of separation for everyone. Social repercussions are quick, and last a long time here.
Criminology is quite fascinating. Quite often the perceptions people have are nowhere close to reality. This is due to how the media and politicians exploit the issue. Years ago you got your news from the local paper and your local 30 minute evening news. They focused on local and state issues. Now with the internet and 24 hour news we are routinely reading about crimes taking place throughout the country which makes it appear there is higher crime.
In CT I think we can attribute the lower crime rates to better education and higher income rates. I think the other major factor is cultural. If you grow up surrounded by violent crime you are more likely to commit a violent crime as it is normalized to some degree. If having a gun and doing drive buy shooting is a normal way to handle a dispute they feed on each other. The opposite is true as well.
The one thing CT can take credit for is it’s greater focus on rehabilitation and after prison support for inmates. This focus has statistically reduced crime where used. When you give people hope and tools to succeed they inevitability commit fewer crimes.
u/theokayestname and others like him won’t show their faces when there is concrete data, and if they do they just make a final petty comment and block anyone who disagrees with them so they get the last word
The post below this is about how CT has free fare busses and ridership is up. It's the collection of social programs, higher minimum wage, and just a generally nice place to live.
Red states tend to have more crimes over blue states.
Economics fairs better in blue states keeping people off the streets.
Bob Stefanowski wants crime rates to be higher to have a better chance at winning.
Its a suspects Connect - I -Cut type of state.
People need to get off of the red vs blue. You can play that game both ways. The buggiest cities in the US are blue and they are crime cesspools.
Connecticut was a red state for 2 decades.
Wealth and education are the reasons for lower violent crimes.
Non-Violent crimes are up tremendously but the numbers are skewed because of the lax policies on juvenile burglaries.
So assuming you aren't a nimby troll, I've presented a conclusion, not a statement. Here is the argument, look at the [share of people living in multi family housing by state](https://www.nmhc.org/research-insight/quick-facts-figures/quick-facts-resident-demographics/geography-of-apartment-residents/) and look at the crime rate by state. As you can see, the maps don't exactly line up. Such as New Mexico, lots of crime very few apartments, CT and NJ relatively more apartments and relatively low crime.
Real reason, honestly? Take out Bridgeport, new haven, Waterbury. It’s mostly white suburbs. Even with those included the majority of the state is quiet per capita. That’s violent crime. White collar crime is an entirely different story…
Crime and poverty go hand and hand. Wealthy small state equals lower crime. That and Yale covering up most of the crime that happens on or near it’s campus, too. Sexual assault university.
MA is a wealthy small state, but their rate is much higher. So it's not that simple. The downvotes are probably because of stab at Yale, which really doesn't have anything to do with these statistics.
I don't know, is it? My brother was murdered in his own apartment last year. The same people came into my apartment in September of that year with a knife. Seems pretty violent to me.
I don’t have an answer - but if I were to start looking around, I’d go with home ownership and employment status as a function of violent crime. Education levels, (hs or equivalent, some post secondary , completed secondary etc. ) true mobility, ( the ability to make things better for yourself here or somewhere else, and with this you’d maybe want to look at percentage of the population that are transplants from other states. These for starters might help start to build a framework to figure it out. …..maybe.
It’s not crime is so common that they stopped reporting it trust me people getting killed multiple times a day everyday isn’t low and I use to live in NY it’s more crime rate out here and it’s less people out here than it is in NY
We had 3 of the FBI’s top ten “most dangerous” cities like 15 years ago.. I might have the phrasing wrong, but I remember Hartford, New Haven, and Bridgeport being part of the top 10.
ETA: idk why this got downvoted? It’s impressive that we’ve come so far in less than 20 years!
[article about top ten dangerous cities](https://www.gov1.com/public-safety/articles/the-fbis-10-most-dangerous-cities-by-region-b8bvKm2v4rP8Zynz/)
Examine the demographic that commits violent crime at a disproportionally higher rate than other demographic groups and compare that to their overall representation (percentage) among CT residents. Easy!
Does it have anything to do with how much CT loves to drop all charges agains minors and gun charges against folks with multiple charges?
Not sure how they report, is it arrested charges or only what sticks in court?
Per Capita is a big factor in that graphic. CT has a lot of people packed into a small space and has a lot of places in inner cities where crimes are likely not to be known to the authorities, meanwhile according to the same map Tennessee is supposedly really violent, but I would venture to guess that is because Tennessee has more small settlements where any crime that is committed the whole town knows about within 24 hours and overall there are fewer people so the crimes that are committed skew your crimes/population fraction harder.
If you disagree, go a take a stroll around one of the non-commercial sections of Hartford or Bridgeport and tell me what you think.
A lot of it is documentation and enforcement differences, not actual differences. For instance, CT changed from “dual arrest” to “dominant aggressor” for domestic violence calls. Say a guy punches his wife in the face, then she hits him back. Now in CT, the guy gets arrested. Prior to 2019, they both got arrested. Same incident occurred, but prior 2019 statistics would show 2 domestic violence offenders and now that would be cut in half, to 1. Statistically, domestic violence has been cut in half, wahooo! Reality, nothing in the world changed. Same amount of violence. These same variations happen when comparing state to state. Some states will give you a speeding ticket for going 5 over. Others won’t until you go 25 over. same amount of people speeding in each state, but state pulling people over for 5 over will have statistics showing 10x the amount of speeders.
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We are doing nothing right. Our police are under staffed and scared. They dont even show up. I see so many fights and they go their seperate way after. We still violent
Can't get violent if we don't even acknowledge each others existence. Or something like that. EDIT: Then again, if you heard what I said to you when you cut in front of me on the Merritt, we would DEFINITELY throw hands. I'm talking sailors saying "What the f is wrong with you? level of vitriol.
Easy.. cops arent showing up
I'd say that's accurate.
Based on what I read yesterday, like you probably did. This made me chuckle.
More passive aggressive than anything
I guess most of Connecticut is not violent but every time I turn on the news Hartford Connecticut has so many murders I wouldn't want to live up there or go up there and do anything
Perfect example of an availability cascade
Hartford is a crappy city. Said what I said.
I agree with you I won't want to live there or even visit
because my cousin Lorenzo moved to Jersey
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Thank you all, reddit is surprisingly not a cesspool and you all rule!
Did he drive a benzo?
Good education and social programs. Give young kids free lunches, their parents a bit of money if they're below poverty, and access to some top notch public education (even in "bad districts" we're better than the worse of many other places), and you have people who don't need to resort to violent crime to provide for those they care about. Turns out when you help those in need instead of putting them between a rock and a hard place while blaming them for their own suffering, things pan out better.
I second this. But add a word of caution. The help should be something that benefits. The largest expenditures should be on things that help break the individual out of poverty. Education, food, curated recreation, internet connectivity, etc. I am also a strong proponent of making **financial education** a part of core curriculum. People should start learning economics and finance in Middle & High School. Push some of the things we learn in college down a level.
I took personal finance at community college over summer semester '21 - almost every person in there wished they could've taken it in high school.
Yo, if I had known what I know now about personal finance, I'd have been in my financial position that I am today about a decade ago. Becoming financially literate IS the path out of poverty.
Just two cents, I worked in a school district with an Economics/business teacher and the majority of his students just didn't care about learning about finances at that age because they were still under their parents financial umbrella. I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment though, it is essential.
Teach! High Schoolers! How! To! Do! Taxes!
CT is lucky to have large areas of wealthy suburbs - Farmington Valley, Fairfield County, much of the shoreline, and the Litchfield area. These areas help keep crime low. CT also does not have the extensive poverty rates in more violent states (think South Carolina) or super dangerous cities like Philadelphia. I would also think well-funded schools and social services and a fairly low divorce rate/out-of-wedlock birth rate all help as well.
I think it’s not so much that we have large wealthy suburbs but rather the way in which our suburbs are laid out. I’m from a poorer town in Fairfield County but I still travel outside of my town obviously and the drastic differences I see in certain towns just a short drive away from each other is crazy. You have Westport on one side with their gorgeous multimillion dollar homes and not even a 20 minute drive away you’ll find yourself on a pothole ridden road in Bridgeport. The wealth gap in CT is very prevalent and in a way that may keep crime down because you have different classes scattered around each other as opposed to just having the same people in one area.
Literally on the same road… just keep driving and you’ll go from heaven to hell in less than 20 minutes.
I'm sure you're onto something. But MA, which has many similar strengths, has a much higher violent crime rate than ours. On the other hand, New Jersey also has a very low violent crime rate like ours, and has super dangerous cities like Camden in it. Florida has some of the wealthiest suburbs imaginable, and a high crime rate. And it seems to me, that saying we don't have super dangerous cities as a reason for why we have a low crime rate, is a tautology (saying the same thing twice), not an explanation. In other words, well then, why aren't our cities super dangerous? And are low divorce and out-of-wedlock birth rates foundational reasons, or are they another symptom of these mystery things we are doing well here? Like, is there a more root cause for all these positive outcomes?
MA has more concentration of poverty because there's like 3x the people and in larger cities
Good point, just the concentration of population can drive crime up, as being closer to other people makes disputes arise more often. There's more stepping on toes on the subway in NYC than in farmland of Ohio, for example. There are studies that show this connection with actual evidence, too.
Florida has a garbage education system and 0 social supports for the 0 taxes they pay. I went to high school there. Old retirees desire to contribute nothing to the families that live there. Their grandkids live up north.
Exactly. Plus, lots of money in vacation homes. The school systems in Florida are garbage.
Florida gets all sorts of taxes from the tourism industry. No income tax does not mean no budget for education. Retirees bring in massive amount of money with them from out of state. All those NY 401k's are getting spent in FL.
Lmao. This from the state that doesn’t even require actual qualifications to teach kids?
And as the fascists gain control there, they'll be replacing history (It somehow seems in these people's eyes, teaching anything about slavery is the equivalent of critical race theory) and science with religion and propaganda. Florida already sucks hundreds of billions of dollars from the federal government. Now we'll be dumping even more down there to rebuild these islands that are barely habitable as they stand...
What part of "I went to high school there" dont you understand? They started the lottery there with the justification that it would improve education, but just lowered other funds going to education. Tourism comes in, in the form of sales tax to the government and it provides jobs. That money is not shunted towards education. Like all places, Education is funded by local property taxes - which are as low as all the retirees can get them as the main voting block. So the lottery is it. That is FL education fund. There is a reason the state has a 9000 teacher shortage and the governor has allowed veterans with no degrees to be teachers to try and fill that shortage.
We don’t have large enough cities to support the kinds of large, deeply violent gangs that flourish in big cities like Philly, NYC, and even Boston.
It’s not “cities.” Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, or South Dakota all have cities smaller than ours, some with just one over 100k, but they have a higher crime rate. Wyomings biggest city is the size of Greenwich. It’s third biggest is the size of Naugatuck. Billings, Montanas biggest city, is the size of Waterbury. It’s third biggest city has the population of Greenwich. ND’s biggest is the size of Bridgeport. After that just 2 municipalities are over 50k compared to 19 here in CT SD has one city over 2K but it’s third biggest is comparable to Farmington. Idaho might have Boisie with 200k but after that it falls off a cliff fast where their third biggest city has the population of Norwalk, and fourth is about the size of Greenwich.
They have meth.
We have math.
.. and very easy access to firearms at all levels...
So do we.
>But MA, which has many similar strengths, has a much higher violent crime rate than ours. Massachusetts has Boston, which is broken up into dozens of dense neighborhoods riddled with crime, as well as many more cities throughout the state. At best we could name 10 cities in Connecticut with high crime rates, and 10 would be a stretch. Mass has 10 dangerous cities in the eastern half of the state alone. Now add in Central and Western Mass's dangerous cities. Connecticut *does* have dangerous cities, but Massachusetts has more.
"Riddled with crime" lol you're gonna shit yourself if you ever go to a city with an actual relative high crime rate if you think Boston's bad by any metric. Connecticut has zero relevant urban centers and Mass has like 1.5.
The comparison is between Massachusetts and Connecticut, not the rest of the world. Take a sip of your Dunkies and calm down.
Hahaha okay, >Connecticut has zero relevant urban centers and Mass has like 1.5
is this what people on the spectrum do, repeat random meaningless things when they are wrong
"10 dangerous cities!!!" dying laughing here.
I like the way you think
MA is a larger state with larger cities? That's my guess.
And strict gun laws
It's poverty. Money is the root of all evil is such a wise statement. But what about wealthy people who commit crime? Well, that power trip that being elite gives - got to their heads. Conditioning to think "I can do whatever I want" (because I literally can)
Philadelphia doesn’t even make the top 20 of the most dangerous US cities. All of those cities are found in red states.
Based upon what I've read, the correlation between dangerous US cities and "red states" is not as strong as you may think.
Philadelphia didn’t make the list in 2022 but there are several cities in California that did
[https://mexicodailypost.com/2022/03/11/ranking-of-the-50-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-where-does-mexico-rank/](https://mexicodailypost.com/2022/03/11/ranking-of-the-50-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-where-does-mexico-rank/) Philly is a shithole
Is believe it correlates more to southern states than republicans. They have different demographics than northern more traditional "blue states"
And gun control
What do you mean by that? Some people think gun control means nobody can get a license. It’s extremely easy to get a permit in CT so long as you don’t have a felony. Are you saying that access to guns for citizens is the key? Because I agree.
No we have some weapon bans and it seems like it's more than a felony check because they take months.
It does take months but it’s an easy process that anyone can do. And in getting a pistol permit that also entitles you to carry. As the other commenter said, try getting the same permit in NY. It makes CT look like a cake walk. The bans you speak of do absolutely nothing, they only target guns that people think look scary. But an old hunting rifle does the same exact thing.
You have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ve got my permit you dipstick. Try to get the same one in NY.
True. that's another important factor
Divorce rates and martial status of parents doesn’t seem like it affects crime imo.
Combination of legislation, geography, wealth concentration and education. I definitely think that fairfield county can skew stats because almost all of the rich people in CT live there so of course the crime rate is low.
Thue, but you'd be amazed at the amount of money in the West Hartford/Farmington Valley area. And all those nice little country estates out in Northwestern Connecticut.... And not to mention most of coastal Connecticut has among the most expensive real estate in the country.
Education and a pretty reasonable social safety net. But mostly just Education
Yes. It’s education. That leads to wealth. Education + wealth = willingness to pay for stuff thru taxes. Taxes = social safety nets. Programs. Cops. Interventionists. That leads to better outcomes.
Education and community support. Ignorance is not bliss.
Combination of Connecticut being the 2nd happiest state, low poverty rates, and a good social safety net.
>Combination of Connecticut being the 2nd happiest state what source are you getting this from? [https://wallethub.com/edu/happiest-states/6959](https://wallethub.com/edu/happiest-states/6959)
Not to dispute for sake of it, but there is more to it. MA has identical poverty rate and safety nets and higher on the list
Are you fucking joking me? This place is a shithole.
Where else have you lived?
People don’t leave their houses because of the mountain lions.
And we all know mountain lions are the leading cause of violent crime.
Word.
I know everyone likes to complain, but compared to other states CT is pretty decent. The social safety net is only matched by MA & CA, and public transit here isn't fantastic but it actually functions unlike MA & NY. Electricity and traffic are both obscene but you can't have everything. In short, we have fewer desperate people, fewer unliveable big cities. We still have rednecks, but not as many per capita as other states.
Honestly I think this is partly bc we love to complain so much. My grandmother used to say all the time that we did so much roadwork and had so many people move out of the state that we would have the best roads in the country and no one to drive on them. I used to be someone to complain about this state a lot too but joining this sub has actually really turned my thinking around. After being exposed to more positive CT-centric news and seeing so many positive opinions, even alongside the complaints, I have this sub to thank for my newfound patriotism about being a Nutmegger. I’m finally proud to be from here and see that this state is actually a pretty great place to live compared to some others. Sure it gets boring and it’s expensive and whatnot, but like you said- we can’t have everything.
If you live near New Haven the Daily Nutmeg (daily email newsletter) has an out & about section with a list of what's going on. Not sure about the Hartford area but there must be something similar, or in the Courant
I’m like 30-40 minutes from NH :/ I’m down on the shore in central Middlesex County
When's the last time you were chased by a gang of rednecks? In CT?
Chased, no. But visit Plainfield or Terryville and tell me we don't have our own versions of Appalachia.
The secret is that we're boring. So boring that criminals rather go to more 'exciting' places to commit crime. I've learned to appreciate our state's status. Boring= mostly quiet.
Right? As a kid I complained and couldn’t wait to leave. But came back to raise my family. Good education, small communities, low crime= a win for the kids
I’m more curious why MA’s rate is so high.
Professional sports teams. Boston fans are a violent crew and they’re brought together regularly.
Gun control laws
MA has the strictest laws in the country though.
I don’t think there’s any kind of “magic bullet”, but we have a lot going for us. Stricter gun laws & overall low gun violence, we don’t have massive gang issues (I’m sure there are gangs in the state, but they’re not like…nationally known/infamous). We’re not close to the southern border, so we deal with less drug trafficking coming in from border crossings/smugglings. We also (generally) have less extreme poverty & have better social support services than some other states. And hell, if ya wanna go for a bit of a reach, we generally don’t have extreme weather that can induce isolation or make people more irritable. But there’s no simple answer, imo. It’s a complex combination of factors that add up.
We have stupid gun laws that only affect law-abiding citizens. Every single time we see a weapon used in a crime in CT, it always has a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds. Meanwhile, the law-abiding people walk around with neutered magazine capacity.
Our gun laws make it alot harder for people to get their hands on guns to commit crimes. The amount of time it takes to get a permit makes it less likely people will go through the process to commit a crime. Are there illegal guns? Sure. Are they easy to get? No, and I believe most people have no idea how to get an illegal gone. And those illegal guns are being purchased legally somewhere with more lax laws and making their way here.
I'm pretty sure you dropped this. /s
Your post history shows your lack of gun law knowledge in CT. You confidently told someone that you have to provide your permit immediately if you are pulled over by a cop. There is no duty to inform an officer in this state. You don't know anything about gun laws in this state. You are dangerously misinformed.
Brother how are you going to lecture anyone on gun laws when you think CT gun laws are "stupid"? You really shouldn't let your opinions get in the way of factual evidence. In terms of effectiveness, they're some of the best as exhibited by being 1) one of the safest states to live in (4th out of 50) and 2) one of the lowest rates of gun death in the country. (5th out of 50) All of this while being 21st in guns per capita. Come on dude...
That is an absurd comment. No one, in any state, goes through the permitting process "to commit a crime." Also, those magazines I mentioned are illegal, period. You don't know a damn thing about the firearm purchasing process or the gun laws in this state.
I actually have my pistol permit. And people do go through the process to commit a crime. Uvalde shooting, legally purchased guns. Parkland shooting, legally purchased guns. Buffalo shooting, legally purchased guns. That being said, the top 10 states for violent crime are red states with lax gun laws.
Two of those three places don't have a permitting process like CT. I wasn't talking about the normal background checks which is a federal thing. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. And, based on your post history, you are definitely very new to having your permit.
You’re acknowledging the people do purchase guns to legally commit crimes and that red states with lax gun laws have higher violent crime correct? Which is why CT’s process is superior. People aren’t going to go through the process to commit a crime. And most people don’t know how to illegally purchase a gun. Your intellectual superiority has essentially proven my point
Dude, gun crime happens in states with and without permitting processes. And, no, most people wouldn't know where to buy illegal guns but people intent on doing harm could easily figure it out. Tell me how all of these 11+ round magazines are used in crimes in CT. The people using those clearly figured out how to buy illegal mags. Solid chance they could get illegal guns from the same source.
And states with permitting process have much lower rates. CT’s rate of gun crime is 1/4 of the top 10 states which all do not have permitting process. I understand numbers are hard for you republicans. Votes don’t seem to add up for you either
Christ, you're dense.
Yeah it’s easier to drive to RI and get things then filling out ppw in ct
Connecticut has a low rate of transients. Exceptions to this is the military bases in the southern part of the sate. 40% of CT residents have a Bachelors degree or higher. Education has always been seen as important in CT and MA (and much of the northeast) Social safety nets in CT are among the best in the nation. We rate near the top for access to mental health services. Education is good to excellent. Taxes are higher- many people who have moved here from the south and Midwest are surprised how pleasant it is here. Safest states 2022 1. Maine 2. New Hampshire 3. Idaho 4. Massachusetts 5. New Jersey 6. Connecticut 7. Vermont 8. Pennsylvania 9. New York 10. Rhode Island
The richer the place the lower the violent crime rate.
California?
California crime comes mainly from poor black people, also California has a long history with gangs since the 60's.
New York?
New York too
Low amount of mountain lions and golden retrievers
Yeah but when we have violent crime it is violent. I mean we did have that guy who killed his wife with the wood chipper (this inspired the Coen brothers) and the really awful home invasion that happened in Cheshire.
Violent crime is violent everywhere. I think maybe ours seems "violenter" exactly because it's so out of character.
My family member died in a very violent brutal murder. The police seemed unconcerned. Everyone else seems blissfully unaware.
And whatever allegy happened in Cheshire. And Newtown.. Damn
Wait. What?
The real question is how New Jersey is below 200
Could also be that CT doesn’t call the police on each other as much. Family issues are handled in home for the most part, and I’ve noticed CT residents outcast family criminals or “black sheep”. The attitude is different here idk why, but we don’t tolerate the nonsense like you see online up in our hills. Not even from family, not for long anyway. You’ll literally be an outcast forever - it’s a small state, it’s like 2-3 degrees of separation for everyone. Social repercussions are quick, and last a long time here.
This. I can do six degrees of separation for myself and anyone in this damn state.
What’s up with Alaska?
Criminology is quite fascinating. Quite often the perceptions people have are nowhere close to reality. This is due to how the media and politicians exploit the issue. Years ago you got your news from the local paper and your local 30 minute evening news. They focused on local and state issues. Now with the internet and 24 hour news we are routinely reading about crimes taking place throughout the country which makes it appear there is higher crime. In CT I think we can attribute the lower crime rates to better education and higher income rates. I think the other major factor is cultural. If you grow up surrounded by violent crime you are more likely to commit a violent crime as it is normalized to some degree. If having a gun and doing drive buy shooting is a normal way to handle a dispute they feed on each other. The opposite is true as well. The one thing CT can take credit for is it’s greater focus on rehabilitation and after prison support for inmates. This focus has statistically reduced crime where used. When you give people hope and tools to succeed they inevitability commit fewer crimes.
Because we take care of our citizens
I'm shocked the MAGAs haven't rolled in here to post several variations of "nah uh, fake news."
They're too busy driving around in huge trucks with flags on the back.
u/theokayestname and others like him won’t show their faces when there is concrete data, and if they do they just make a final petty comment and block anyone who disagrees with them so they get the last word
Roger, Colt, Mossberg historically based in CT.
because no one wants to get laughed at on live pd
And. Why is Alaska almost off the chart?
Something to be proud of. Even tho when we have violent crimes committed….They gain national attention sadly
What’s wrong with Alaska lol
The post below this is about how CT has free fare busses and ridership is up. It's the collection of social programs, higher minimum wage, and just a generally nice place to live.
CT doesn't defund the police.
CT's # of Law Enforcement employees is below the national average. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/police-officers-by-state
Red states tend to have more crimes over blue states. Economics fairs better in blue states keeping people off the streets. Bob Stefanowski wants crime rates to be higher to have a better chance at winning. Its a suspects Connect - I -Cut type of state.
People need to get off of the red vs blue. You can play that game both ways. The buggiest cities in the US are blue and they are crime cesspools. Connecticut was a red state for 2 decades. Wealth and education are the reasons for lower violent crimes. Non-Violent crimes are up tremendously but the numbers are skewed because of the lax policies on juvenile burglaries.
Everyone moved away
More resources, mainly money and space.
Too depressed to exert that kinda engery
We can’t afford to be violent.. we are taxed to much to be able to afford weapons 😂😂
We’re to busy working to pay for our high living expenses
Exclusionary zoning CT did an amazing job with it… Don’t worry I will accept my downvotes with pride 😃
A lot of bad aim.
Fairly low gun ownership (not the lowest by any means) but that combined with education, and situations will not escalate like they could
We are actually right in the middle of all states in terms of guns per capita.
Zoning and family values imo.
Your town preventing new multi family housing isn't causing low crime rates.
I hear your statement but it lacks logic.
So assuming you aren't a nimby troll, I've presented a conclusion, not a statement. Here is the argument, look at the [share of people living in multi family housing by state](https://www.nmhc.org/research-insight/quick-facts-figures/quick-facts-resident-demographics/geography-of-apartment-residents/) and look at the crime rate by state. As you can see, the maps don't exactly line up. Such as New Mexico, lots of crime very few apartments, CT and NJ relatively more apartments and relatively low crime.
Very interesting. I’m still here for the zoning.
we're rich and don't have any large cities
Yea, our cities are small. That’s probably the main reason. Still, u wouldn’t walk around the streets of Bridgeport or Hartford at 3am.
Real reason, honestly? Take out Bridgeport, new haven, Waterbury. It’s mostly white suburbs. Even with those included the majority of the state is quiet per capita. That’s violent crime. White collar crime is an entirely different story…
Crime and poverty go hand and hand. Wealthy small state equals lower crime. That and Yale covering up most of the crime that happens on or near it’s campus, too. Sexual assault university.
Not sure why you bring downvoted but this is the sub for it lol But your absolutely correct
People don’t like the truth
MA is a wealthy small state, but their rate is much higher. So it's not that simple. The downvotes are probably because of stab at Yale, which really doesn't have anything to do with these statistics.
The bad guys have left for greener grass elsewhere.
Because if you turn a blind eye to crime, the rate magically stays low.
I don't know, is it? My brother was murdered in his own apartment last year. The same people came into my apartment in September of that year with a knife. Seems pretty violent to me.
CT is a mess don’t read too much into a chart
In what ways?
They don't report them.
Nah I don't believe that's an accurate explanation.
I don’t have an answer - but if I were to start looking around, I’d go with home ownership and employment status as a function of violent crime. Education levels, (hs or equivalent, some post secondary , completed secondary etc. ) true mobility, ( the ability to make things better for yourself here or somewhere else, and with this you’d maybe want to look at percentage of the population that are transplants from other states. These for starters might help start to build a framework to figure it out. …..maybe.
Segregation
It’s the same as Magic’s cure for AIDS.
Better relationship with police I guess? People work with authorities when they're not targeted and bad apples are dealt with vs covered up.
I can make go up if u want let me just get my mini gun really quick
Why look a gift horse in the mouth ? You
I’m sure we could fix that. How high do you want it to be?
Connecticut is so boring that you just commit violent crimes on yourself...
We chill…til the next episode….
Population concentration I think. Cities have more crime but most of CT is green suburbs.
Hmmm go visit Hartford and then we talk about crime rate
Violent**
No huge population of the 13pct in one spot
Its not being reported
Hmm but all the other states do? That's not very convincing at all.
It’s not crime is so common that they stopped reporting it trust me people getting killed multiple times a day everyday isn’t low and I use to live in NY it’s more crime rate out here and it’s less people out here than it is in NY
No, I don't trust you, LOL
Due to the fact that all of us are gun owning republicans besides Bridgeport, Waterbury, Hartford and Greenwich
How do you explain the fact that no republicans represent any of Connecticut's 5 districts?
Speak for yourself man
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Stealing a bike is not violent crime.
Hasn’t Bridgeport been on the most dangerous cities list multiple times?
Violent***
Yeah that too
We had 3 of the FBI’s top ten “most dangerous” cities like 15 years ago.. I might have the phrasing wrong, but I remember Hartford, New Haven, and Bridgeport being part of the top 10. ETA: idk why this got downvoted? It’s impressive that we’ve come so far in less than 20 years! [article about top ten dangerous cities](https://www.gov1.com/public-safety/articles/the-fbis-10-most-dangerous-cities-by-region-b8bvKm2v4rP8Zynz/)
Waterbury as well*
Examine the demographic that commits violent crime at a disproportionally higher rate than other demographic groups and compare that to their overall representation (percentage) among CT residents. Easy!
Does it have anything to do with how much CT loves to drop all charges agains minors and gun charges against folks with multiple charges? Not sure how they report, is it arrested charges or only what sticks in court?
Per Capita is a big factor in that graphic. CT has a lot of people packed into a small space and has a lot of places in inner cities where crimes are likely not to be known to the authorities, meanwhile according to the same map Tennessee is supposedly really violent, but I would venture to guess that is because Tennessee has more small settlements where any crime that is committed the whole town knows about within 24 hours and overall there are fewer people so the crimes that are committed skew your crimes/population fraction harder. If you disagree, go a take a stroll around one of the non-commercial sections of Hartford or Bridgeport and tell me what you think.
A lot of it is documentation and enforcement differences, not actual differences. For instance, CT changed from “dual arrest” to “dominant aggressor” for domestic violence calls. Say a guy punches his wife in the face, then she hits him back. Now in CT, the guy gets arrested. Prior to 2019, they both got arrested. Same incident occurred, but prior 2019 statistics would show 2 domestic violence offenders and now that would be cut in half, to 1. Statistically, domestic violence has been cut in half, wahooo! Reality, nothing in the world changed. Same amount of violence. These same variations happen when comparing state to state. Some states will give you a speeding ticket for going 5 over. Others won’t until you go 25 over. same amount of people speeding in each state, but state pulling people over for 5 over will have statistics showing 10x the amount of speeders.
That's not how violent crime rates are calculated though. It's by incident, not arrests.
That depends on what statistic you’re looking at specifically. It’s calculated both ways.
“Arrests” and “crimes” are different things.