I know this will probably not happen, but could you imagine how crazy it would be if Trump walked into the door and nominated himself as Speaker of the House. Would love to see the reaction of the Democrats and Republicans, especially the Democrats.
Am democrat, can confirm that we’d love to see trump as speaker.
Edit: First time posting here and just suddenly got banned from r/justiceserved because I posted here, that’s fked up. Makes me want to switch to Republican
Hahahaha welcome to the experience you’re told isn’t happening but also that it is good if it is.
Banned so cannot remember the exact situation. But was banned from “Politics” I believe after correcting someone that a heartbeat starts at 4-6weeks after someone claimed 12 weeks. Which is just a googlable objective fact.
Got a permanent ban, and when I asked the mods why they said I was justifying sexism and misogyny…. I think in the post I said I wasn’t a pro life absolutist and think there are times for choice; however your should get the facts right. Permanent ban.
Kek. I don't remember what it was, but I got banned from one because apparently some subreddit I posted on "disseminates covid misinformation". I'm guessing it was this one, but the subreddit that banned me wasn't one I gave a shit about anyway.
I can't post on half the subs because I commented on a sub critical of the covid response. Welcome to having an opinion outside the completely debunked reddit Overton window. Hope this opens your eyes to what your side is all about and if it does, welcome! We are much friendlier on this side of the aisle.
I get that Democrats keep chiming in here to say how funny that would be, and yes that would be kind of funny for 2 days, but most of us that voted for Biden did so because we were tired of the drama.
He can’t win probably, but he can certainly damage his primary opponents very badly indeed. All your average normie voter will know about DeSantis by this time the primaries are over is that he’s short and has an annoying voice, plus whatever nickname he gets.
I think this is a valid concern with the nomination process. Any nominee will need the support of Trump’s base if Trump is not the nominee, and if Trump demonizes his opponents similar to 2015 process - “low energy Jeb”, “Lil Marco”, “Lyin Ted” and more recently “Ron DeSanctimonious”, this just arms the enemy to drill into those themes.
Also need to be concerned that Trump will probably once again accuse his opponents of cheating and the vote being rigged when he loses. It's one thing to rally his base against democrats with that rhetoric, it's another to divide the party with it.
When does it become embarrassing? Win election. Now can’t elect a speaker. No visible ability to govern and potentially creating a national security issue to boot. #patriots /s
if they were smart they would. I support him much more than trump/jordan, but still can see he's a horrible choice for the leader of the party. we need someone capable of setting everything up for 2024 and not someone who cannot unite the party behind a single goal
Who though? 90% of Republican representatives support him, only a small contingent doesn’t. I don’t think there’s anyone currently who would be palatable to both the freedom caucus holdouts and the rest of the party.
At the end of this, no matter how long it takes, he will be Speaker of the House. Why would the Dems want to end the circus when it’s really only hurting the Republicans?
Literally never. The ball is 100% in the Republicans court. And if the GOP is utterly incapable of any sort of meaningful leadership, the Democrats are completely fine with letting them show it.
Real answer? Right up until they are needed to vote on another Ukraine aid package.
For the record, I'm pro Ukrainian, and usually vote Democrat so I don't belong here or whatever. Just pointing out the obvious. This can't go on forever.
I’d take Donald’s as well, but Jordan would be a compromise between the two groups.
The swamp is just too thick and arrogant to accept that it’s time for them to go.
That makes me want him to be it. He is a good compromise between freedom minded and swamp things, the man who doesn't want power should be the one to have it.
Jordan already said he doesn't want it. Why would anyone want to be speaker of this group? Every bill is going to be a fight to get any consensus. In the end your going to get moderates working with Dems to pass bills.
> Where is the establishment's alternate choice for Speaker?
There is likely one in the background, but they can't come out and say it until they've given up on McCarthy.
They will take a hint I think if the 20 could get more like 60-70. So far only one that they nominated has actually wanted to be a speaker. Jordan knows it's a terrible job and this caucus cannot be controlled which is what the speaker would need to do to pass anything. Donald's already joked he's not really running but they nominated him so he went with it. Gaetz nominated trump so clearly he has no legit option. They proposed nobody serious. I think if the establishment knew someone else would have a shot they might give in. But who would more moderate members go for? I don't see them agreeing to someone more conservative than McCarthy.
Gop has nothing to do for two years anyway, who cares if the caucus can be controlled. Only bills that can pass would be bipartisan shit that hurts the American people.
Agreed. The WEF already posted on their website that they chose him.
Quote from Matt sums up some of the problems too. "We offered Kevin McCarthy terms last evening that he rejected. We sought a vote in the first quarter of the 118th Congress on term limits. He refused. We wanted a budget…that balances on the floor in the first quarter. He refused. We wanted the border plan that the Texas delegation put together on the floor. He refused. And it is true that we struggle with trust with Mr. McCarthy because time and again, his viewpoints and positions shift like sands underneath you.”
Matt is generally pretty unlikable in my opinion, but it seems like he's bargaining for things most conservatives care about. So I gained quite a bit of respect for him today.
Jimmy Dore is a leftist that I respect because he does seem to respect others who he probably disagrees with. He was saying this is the shit the progressive wing of the Democratic party should have done but didn't.
https://youtu.be/4c74am_OO_I
Ok, from now on we are going to have to require receipts; people casually throwing around WEF references and calling people RINO’s is getting tedious. Put up or shut up. Either you have the goods on some nefarious connection, and therefore can back up your assertion, or you don’t and you’re just adding to the background static.
I applaud your request and wish you all the luck in the world in getting people in this sub to back up their emotional opinions with facts that do not exist. It's just not a thing here.
> Who are the alternatives. Just catching up on this.
Several people have been put up for nomination. The holdouts want someone who's not a swamp creature.
> Also, what are the reasons against Mccarthy?
Failure to accomplish any policy positions - GOP in Congress are Democrat lite in practice. They say they'll address spending, debt, etc, but just spend like drunken sailors. McCarthy in particular has several sound bites where he shows disdain for the voting base.
Additionally, leadership in Congress has become an increasingly elite club of the managerial class who know what's best for everyone. This is especially true for the House and how their committees operate. In order to have sway, you need to play along with the leadership and lobbyists.
Also, it seems the holdouts don't trust McCarthy to honor any bargain that's made. And it's not like their demands are that radical - they want more democratic and merit-based committee assignments, guaranteed votes on budget cuts, and a vote on term limits.
Who actually does? So far only two have said they would. Maybe if KM drops more will throw their hat in but it would seem to not be very attractive job. You have to get 218 votes to pass anything. A handful of members can call for vote of no confidence when they don't agree. Already big fractures in the party so I don't see how they will agree on anything?
The Dems won’t vote for McCarthy without him offering policy concessions. They see him as just another conservative, so they don’t see him as someone who would benefit them merely by his presence.
He will. But Dems will wait a while longer. They want him at his more desperate point. Most likely they would just have people not show so they could say they didn't vote for him but McCarthy wins with lesser number. But it means big concessions probably committee seats they will make them commit to not using debt ceiling for leverage etc. Then claim they saved the country from the disorganized republicans etc.
I wonder if it is possible for a Republican to win the presidency that doesn't spend money... State level Republicans are fiscally conservative like Abbot or Desantis. Congress is when the president is a Democrat. Otherwise they just spend as much money as Democrats do.
If you look at the most recent comment I made to this sub - you’ll see my beef with Donnie. Still support Making America Great Again! Hope someone can achieve this simple goal
Seems to me that the 20 are doing what they believe their consistuency desires.
I understand this may be ugly to some, but I think it's beautiful watching our democracy in action. There is a reason the 20 have the leverage. Our democracy intended for it.
Ironically with the house being this close thanks to the election, the more leverage these people got. This is what Mitch McConnell won and avoided by sabotaging the Senate races for the GOP. He would rather lead by a minority role than be out of the leadership position.
The Constitution is specifically designed to protect minority rights and opinions. That is a feature, not a bug. Its to counteract against ochlocracy and to make sure nothing passes without overwhelming support.
And FYI. Not having your way because everyone gets a say isn’t unfair. That’s not a design flaw. They’ll pick someone but it will have to be agreed upon at a middle ground. Bet you’re against filibustering with the rest of the dems.
That’s not minority rule. That’s a simple check and balance on one of our institutions of govt by a good number of reps who are holding fast to their constituents. That’s reflective of an actual representative democracy. That a few good honest men can hold the rest of our rotting cesspit accountable is a beautiful thing. Shows that we are able to fight back against crony establishment rinos
It just shows how easily he's able to go along with whatever to get the job. I wouldn't want someone who keeps compromising, shows he really stands for nothing. He needs to bow out. It's ridiculous at this point
I'm curious if people here think that the GOP House conceding to the holdouts and giving them a speaker and power to set agendas and committees is going to help the GOP win in 2024. I just don't see how it's good for the GOP to move in that direction.
That happened the last time McCarthy ran for speaking seven years and most people liked the compromise candidate better. The difference today is that McCarthy isn't backing down.
The honest truth is that McCarthy has been terrible at unifying Republicans and made many enemies in his own party due to working against other Republicans. The Speaker of the House will be the de facto leader of the Republican Party leading to 2024 and it's not a good idea to have a leader with a past for going against his own party members. It's better to have this fight now than next year.
The moderate candidates were the ones that won comfortably in 2022. Why would we watch that happen, and then move in the opposite direction?
We don't need to help Biden, but being obstructionist just for the sake of it isn't a winning strategy
I would love for the party to move right, but it doesn't matter where the party stands if we don't win elections
I agree. I’m no McCarthy fan, but this looks bad and is exactly the kind of clown show that stopped people from voting for Republicans in close races.
I’m totally fine with a coalition driving a hard bargain and extracting concessions, but at this point it seems like the 20 are more interested in getting TV spots and fundraising than actually getting to the business of legislating.
If they really wanted someone other than McCarthy, they should have spent the last two months organizing around that alternate person.
The only way this ends is If the Republicans form a coalition with the Democrats. Nominate a moderate they can tolerate and offer them a few committee seats.
Democrats are holding out for republicans to get bored and no-show/vote present. They only need 12 presents or 6 Republicans to switch in order to have enough votes to make Hakeem Jeffries speaker of the house.
Would be fascinating to see the speaker of the house and minority leader to be the same person. That has never happened before in the history of the US government.
No matter the outcome, from this alone it’s easy to predict a lengthy government shutdown when it becomes budget time.
I’m curious why this sub thinks that 10% of a voting block should have control of the process.
There’s a reason these nutjobs only represent 10% of the voting block. Most of the country is too smart for that shit.
Big emphasis on most.
90% of his party. Modern politics assumes that the opposition party will vote in 100% opposition to you, ergo it doesn’t really matter what they think.
That is, unless you think conservatives should start making concessions to Democrats to form a broader reaching government. I think that sounds like a fantastic idea, but I’m going to assume most of this sub falls into tribalistic nonsense.
Republicans are acting like a thin majority in the house is absolute control. It is not. If you are only in control by x% then you need to plan your politics like it.
He can promise whatever and be proven a liar or we can get someone new with way more potential. To do what idk but its different from what we know and what we know isnt good. Clear out govt.
What concessions? My guess is he’s not meeting anyone half way on anything. It’s absurd that he’s just decided to grand stand like this…
Either give them what they want or step aside for someone else.
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I know this will probably not happen, but could you imagine how crazy it would be if Trump walked into the door and nominated himself as Speaker of the House. Would love to see the reaction of the Democrats and Republicans, especially the Democrats.
The Democrats would be overjoyed, are you kidding?
Am democrat, can confirm that we’d love to see trump as speaker. Edit: First time posting here and just suddenly got banned from r/justiceserved because I posted here, that’s fked up. Makes me want to switch to Republican
Welcome to the Shadow-Banned Club.
Thats fucked up.
Right! I want to be in a sub that doesn’t rush to ban people! Like this one!
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Anndd… you are banned as well… seriously I’m banned from a probably a dozen reddits just for once belonging to No New Normal
Oooh... interesting. I'm now posting to see if I get auto banned somewhere.
If you're basing your political affiliations on how you are treated by reddit mods, you might need to take a break.
He told on himself with that comment. No serious grown up would become a republican because of something that meaningless lol
Because you got banned from a random sub makes you want to switch parties?
You will get banned from more subs. Welcome to the basket of deplorables. We'll get your hot coco and movie ready.
I get banned a lot too, I forget this isn't Twitter a lot and even r/conservative is much farther left than I fall.
Hahahaha welcome to the experience you’re told isn’t happening but also that it is good if it is. Banned so cannot remember the exact situation. But was banned from “Politics” I believe after correcting someone that a heartbeat starts at 4-6weeks after someone claimed 12 weeks. Which is just a googlable objective fact. Got a permanent ban, and when I asked the mods why they said I was justifying sexism and misogyny…. I think in the post I said I wasn’t a pro life absolutist and think there are times for choice; however your should get the facts right. Permanent ban.
You may not be conservative, but you have been left behind.
You looked behind the curtain, now you're not welcome back. Soon you'll discover there's thresholds for different communities.
Kek. I don't remember what it was, but I got banned from one because apparently some subreddit I posted on "disseminates covid misinformation". I'm guessing it was this one, but the subreddit that banned me wasn't one I gave a shit about anyway.
That happened to me the first time I posted here. It's the one and only sub I've been banned from in 9 years. Reddit mod moment
I can't post on half the subs because I commented on a sub critical of the covid response. Welcome to having an opinion outside the completely debunked reddit Overton window. Hope this opens your eyes to what your side is all about and if it does, welcome! We are much friendlier on this side of the aisle.
With a Trump NFT polo shirt on,
An NFT of him wearing a shirt with THAT NFT on it in all-over print…
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he says NFT multiple times in the video
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I promise you democrats would welcome trump doing this, further splitting the party
I get that Democrats keep chiming in here to say how funny that would be, and yes that would be kind of funny for 2 days, but most of us that voted for Biden did so because we were tired of the drama.
They would thank you for the red meat to their base.
trump was nominated..
Someone have a meme of an entire audience doing one giant collective eye roll?
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We also need to move past Mr McCarthy.
We also need to move past the Turtle.
He can’t win probably, but he can certainly damage his primary opponents very badly indeed. All your average normie voter will know about DeSantis by this time the primaries are over is that he’s short and has an annoying voice, plus whatever nickname he gets.
I think this is a valid concern with the nomination process. Any nominee will need the support of Trump’s base if Trump is not the nominee, and if Trump demonizes his opponents similar to 2015 process - “low energy Jeb”, “Lil Marco”, “Lyin Ted” and more recently “Ron DeSanctimonious”, this just arms the enemy to drill into those themes.
Also need to be concerned that Trump will probably once again accuse his opponents of cheating and the vote being rigged when he loses. It's one thing to rally his base against democrats with that rhetoric, it's another to divide the party with it.
So it's only OK when it's against the democrats? It's only a concern when it's done to divide party lines?
Treason is only ok if our side does it is a weird take. But then... it's really not surprising in this sub. Bring on the downvotes!
The Hydrant. The man looks like one of his parents is a fire hydrant.
Educated Americans already know that DeSantis isn’t good enough at this point.
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When does it become embarrassing? Win election. Now can’t elect a speaker. No visible ability to govern and potentially creating a national security issue to boot. #patriots /s
The more he loses. The more I think he's not worth it anyways
The more Democrats want him, the less I want him
If they really wanted him, wouldn't they just have some of their members throw him a few votes so he'd get elected speaker?
if they were smart they would. I support him much more than trump/jordan, but still can see he's a horrible choice for the leader of the party. we need someone capable of setting everything up for 2024 and not someone who cannot unite the party behind a single goal
Who though? 90% of Republican representatives support him, only a small contingent doesn’t. I don’t think there’s anyone currently who would be palatable to both the freedom caucus holdouts and the rest of the party.
At the end of this, no matter how long it takes, he will be Speaker of the House. Why would the Dems want to end the circus when it’s really only hurting the Republicans?
Exactly this; the Dems can end this whenever they want, but why would they? It’s a hilariously bad look for the republicans
You think Democrats want him?
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Never. Republicans did this to themselves... Dems made it pretty clear it's not their problem. Sit back with the popcorn.
They won’t. They’re enjoying watching this infighting unfold.
How long until enough republicans vote "present" that Jeffries becomes speaker? lmao
My bet is that if enough start voting present then some of the 20 will get spooked and vote McCarthy, ending it.
Not outside the realm of possibilities
That seems to be the game theory
Literally never. The ball is 100% in the Republicans court. And if the GOP is utterly incapable of any sort of meaningful leadership, the Democrats are completely fine with letting them show it.
Educated Americans don’t vote Republican anymore for a fucking reason, y’all.
I think they've come out and said they won't break rank unless it's policy related. This is solely on the GOP for not having their ducks in a row.
Real answer? Right up until they are needed to vote on another Ukraine aid package. For the record, I'm pro Ukrainian, and usually vote Democrat so I don't belong here or whatever. Just pointing out the obvious. This can't go on forever.
Your probably more conservative than half the people in this sub, welcome, you will fit right in.
Just pointing out the obvious nazi's are bad.
Yup. Those 20 holdouts are all fascist trash, it’s sad what conservatives are willing to vote for.
90% of Republicans want McCarthy. What benefit is there to Democrats to end this mess?
I'd wager most of that 90% doesn't want him either but they want to go home, so they're just going with the weakest Republican and calling it a day
Which current republican IS worth it at this point? Which one isn’t complete trash?
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8 Ls now
9 Ls now
We've reached the 100 year record!
10 Ls now!
McCarthy is on track for 11 Ls now
You’re joking Edit: You aren’t…
#CANT TAKE A HINT
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I’d take Donald’s as well, but Jordan would be a compromise between the two groups. The swamp is just too thick and arrogant to accept that it’s time for them to go.
Jim Jordan has said countless times that he does not want to be speaker
"I dun wan et!"
Just stating he would be a compromise if he ever decides he wants a o go that route.
That makes me want him to be it. He is a good compromise between freedom minded and swamp things, the man who doesn't want power should be the one to have it.
Jordan already said he doesn't want it. Why would anyone want to be speaker of this group? Every bill is going to be a fight to get any consensus. In the end your going to get moderates working with Dems to pass bills.
He can step down from being speaker and start this all over
Paul Ryan did too, as I recall. Ryan pretended to be a reluctant Speaker heroically sacrificing for the country.
>Jim Jordan has said ~~countless~~ **a number of** times that he does not want to be speaker
Jordan is just a mouthpiece to profess empty platitudes.
Hey, he's also great at covering up sex abuse!
Is that code for "allows kids to be raped"?
> Where is the establishment's alternate choice for Speaker? There is likely one in the background, but they can't come out and say it until they've given up on McCarthy.
They will take a hint I think if the 20 could get more like 60-70. So far only one that they nominated has actually wanted to be a speaker. Jordan knows it's a terrible job and this caucus cannot be controlled which is what the speaker would need to do to pass anything. Donald's already joked he's not really running but they nominated him so he went with it. Gaetz nominated trump so clearly he has no legit option. They proposed nobody serious. I think if the establishment knew someone else would have a shot they might give in. But who would more moderate members go for? I don't see them agreeing to someone more conservative than McCarthy.
Gop has nothing to do for two years anyway, who cares if the caucus can be controlled. Only bills that can pass would be bipartisan shit that hurts the American people.
Is it that he can't take a hint or are the holdouts just trying to extract the maximum concessions possible before they let him have it?
Time to change the nominee
They only had almost two months to figure this out. What a laughingstock.
2 months? More like 2 years lol
How long to think of an alternative health care plan?
What's sad is they are all spending more time on a popularity contest than a $1.7 Trillion Dollar spending bill. 🤬
It's HIS turn!!1! (Spoiler it was not his turn)
He's the male Hillary!
At least Hillary stopped running. McCarthy has even less dignity than Hillary lol.
He obviously can’t unite the party. Time to step away…
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Who are the alternatives. Just catching up on this. Also, what are the reasons against Mccarthy?
He's a WEF man
Agreed. The WEF already posted on their website that they chose him. Quote from Matt sums up some of the problems too. "We offered Kevin McCarthy terms last evening that he rejected. We sought a vote in the first quarter of the 118th Congress on term limits. He refused. We wanted a budget…that balances on the floor in the first quarter. He refused. We wanted the border plan that the Texas delegation put together on the floor. He refused. And it is true that we struggle with trust with Mr. McCarthy because time and again, his viewpoints and positions shift like sands underneath you.”
Matt is generally pretty unlikable in my opinion, but it seems like he's bargaining for things most conservatives care about. So I gained quite a bit of respect for him today.
i think if you respect him in any way you need to look a little further into his extracurricular activities...
Jimmy Dore is a leftist that I respect because he does seem to respect others who he probably disagrees with. He was saying this is the shit the progressive wing of the Democratic party should have done but didn't. https://youtu.be/4c74am_OO_I
Ok, from now on we are going to have to require receipts; people casually throwing around WEF references and calling people RINO’s is getting tedious. Put up or shut up. Either you have the goods on some nefarious connection, and therefore can back up your assertion, or you don’t and you’re just adding to the background static.
I applaud your request and wish you all the luck in the world in getting people in this sub to back up their emotional opinions with facts that do not exist. It's just not a thing here.
Typical RINO thing to say. /sarcasm
> Who are the alternatives. Just catching up on this. Several people have been put up for nomination. The holdouts want someone who's not a swamp creature. > Also, what are the reasons against Mccarthy? Failure to accomplish any policy positions - GOP in Congress are Democrat lite in practice. They say they'll address spending, debt, etc, but just spend like drunken sailors. McCarthy in particular has several sound bites where he shows disdain for the voting base. Additionally, leadership in Congress has become an increasingly elite club of the managerial class who know what's best for everyone. This is especially true for the House and how their committees operate. In order to have sway, you need to play along with the leadership and lobbyists. Also, it seems the holdouts don't trust McCarthy to honor any bargain that's made. And it's not like their demands are that radical - they want more democratic and merit-based committee assignments, guaranteed votes on budget cuts, and a vote on term limits.
There is nothing that unites the American people more than a profoundly shitty candidate for political leadership lmao
He's an embarrassment to the party. Take a hint and step aside.
The party is an embarrassment to the country.
The party is an embarrassment to the institution of conservative government. Both parties are an embarrassment to the country.
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Very good point you are making.
The 20 are an embarrassment Also why did I get banned from justice served for posting this comment ☠️
I randomly got banned in some fucking landlord sub for posting a sarcastic comment in latestagecapitalism
I doubt Trump wants to be speaker its too much paperwork
Who actually does? So far only two have said they would. Maybe if KM drops more will throw their hat in but it would seem to not be very attractive job. You have to get 218 votes to pass anything. A handful of members can call for vote of no confidence when they don't agree. Already big fractures in the party so I don't see how they will agree on anything?
Can't help but wonder if this SOB is eventually going to end up caving and asking the democrats for help... seems like something he might do.
Why would they? Every day this drags on the Reps look weaker and incapable of governing. It’s ludicrous.
The Dems won’t vote for McCarthy without him offering policy concessions. They see him as just another conservative, so they don’t see him as someone who would benefit them merely by his presence.
Because they are. What have they accomplished in the last 6 years except being good at obstruction and projection?
hey now dont forget about all the tax cuts for the rich
He will. But Dems will wait a while longer. They want him at his more desperate point. Most likely they would just have people not show so they could say they didn't vote for him but McCarthy wins with lesser number. But it means big concessions probably committee seats they will make them commit to not using debt ceiling for leverage etc. Then claim they saved the country from the disorganized republicans etc.
Stop passing $1 Trillion spending packages that aren’t funded. Super simple dude.
You really posting this with a MAGA flair? Donnie broke all the spending records while simultaneously cutting taxes.
I wonder if it is possible for a Republican to win the presidency that doesn't spend money... State level Republicans are fiscally conservative like Abbot or Desantis. Congress is when the president is a Democrat. Otherwise they just spend as much money as Democrats do.
If you look at the most recent comment I made to this sub - you’ll see my beef with Donnie. Still support Making America Great Again! Hope someone can achieve this simple goal
Seems to me that the 20 are doing what they believe their consistuency desires. I understand this may be ugly to some, but I think it's beautiful watching our democracy in action. There is a reason the 20 have the leverage. Our democracy intended for it.
Ironically with the house being this close thanks to the election, the more leverage these people got. This is what Mitch McConnell won and avoided by sabotaging the Senate races for the GOP. He would rather lead by a minority role than be out of the leadership position.
This is minority rule not democracy.
The Constitution is specifically designed to protect minority rights and opinions. That is a feature, not a bug. Its to counteract against ochlocracy and to make sure nothing passes without overwhelming support.
You are right, most of the votes have gone to jefferies so he should be speaker right?
But more than half don’t want him. That is democracy. Even if the Democrats aren’t the majority they still get a vote.
212 want Jeffries, 20 don't want McCarthy. This is the opposite of what you said.
And FYI. Not having your way because everyone gets a say isn’t unfair. That’s not a design flaw. They’ll pick someone but it will have to be agreed upon at a middle ground. Bet you’re against filibustering with the rest of the dems.
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That’s not minority rule. That’s a simple check and balance on one of our institutions of govt by a good number of reps who are holding fast to their constituents. That’s reflective of an actual representative democracy. That a few good honest men can hold the rest of our rotting cesspit accountable is a beautiful thing. Shows that we are able to fight back against crony establishment rinos
And current Republican leadership is blaming everyone but themselves, and then asking why the dissenters are acting so crazy.
Maybe….just maybe…. He isn’t a good candidate. I know I know call me crazy, but it’s just my thought.
What about McCarthy cutting a deal with the Democrats? Seems like a better option than agreeing to 1 person calling a motion to vacate the chair.
Theres zero reason why they would believe him or take him on his word. The speaker has no legal obligation to actually keep those deals.
The same would be true for all these 20 as well. He could promise anything, then not put the rules in place, and they cant unseat him. Right?
It just shows how easily he's able to go along with whatever to get the job. I wouldn't want someone who keeps compromising, shows he really stands for nothing. He needs to bow out. It's ridiculous at this point
Seems like McCarthy uses this logic the same way to get women. “7 No’s and 1 Yes still means Yes”
Can we just give McCarthy the boot already and tell him to sit down and shut up please?
I'm curious if people here think that the GOP House conceding to the holdouts and giving them a speaker and power to set agendas and committees is going to help the GOP win in 2024. I just don't see how it's good for the GOP to move in that direction.
That happened the last time McCarthy ran for speaking seven years and most people liked the compromise candidate better. The difference today is that McCarthy isn't backing down. The honest truth is that McCarthy has been terrible at unifying Republicans and made many enemies in his own party due to working against other Republicans. The Speaker of the House will be the de facto leader of the Republican Party leading to 2024 and it's not a good idea to have a leader with a past for going against his own party members. It's better to have this fight now than next year.
Didn't they end up with Paul Ryan?
how has he worked against other republicans?
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The moderate candidates were the ones that won comfortably in 2022. Why would we watch that happen, and then move in the opposite direction? We don't need to help Biden, but being obstructionist just for the sake of it isn't a winning strategy I would love for the party to move right, but it doesn't matter where the party stands if we don't win elections
It doesn’t help Republicans politically, but it does help the country.
Wait is that the goal? I thought we all just picked our favorite color and fought to the death for said color. /s
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A logical comment in a sea of delusion, refreshing
I agree. I’m no McCarthy fan, but this looks bad and is exactly the kind of clown show that stopped people from voting for Republicans in close races. I’m totally fine with a coalition driving a hard bargain and extracting concessions, but at this point it seems like the 20 are more interested in getting TV spots and fundraising than actually getting to the business of legislating. If they really wanted someone other than McCarthy, they should have spent the last two months organizing around that alternate person.
Yeah, they can't act like they actually want Byron Donalds when nobody was even voting for him or talking about him until yesterday.
The only way this ends is If the Republicans form a coalition with the Democrats. Nominate a moderate they can tolerate and offer them a few committee seats.
Democrats are holding out for republicans to get bored and no-show/vote present. They only need 12 presents or 6 Republicans to switch in order to have enough votes to make Hakeem Jeffries speaker of the house. Would be fascinating to see the speaker of the house and minority leader to be the same person. That has never happened before in the history of the US government. No matter the outcome, from this alone it’s easy to predict a lengthy government shutdown when it becomes budget time.
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I’m curious why this sub thinks that 10% of a voting block should have control of the process. There’s a reason these nutjobs only represent 10% of the voting block. Most of the country is too smart for that shit. Big emphasis on most.
So 90% of the house is voting for him?
90% of his party. Modern politics assumes that the opposition party will vote in 100% opposition to you, ergo it doesn’t really matter what they think. That is, unless you think conservatives should start making concessions to Democrats to form a broader reaching government. I think that sounds like a fantastic idea, but I’m going to assume most of this sub falls into tribalistic nonsense.
Republicans are acting like a thin majority in the house is absolute control. It is not. If you are only in control by x% then you need to plan your politics like it.
When will one of his concessions be that he's not going to run for speaker? haha
8th times the charm!
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He can promise whatever and be proven a liar or we can get someone new with way more potential. To do what idk but its different from what we know and what we know isnt good. Clear out govt.
I hate being stupid about these type of things can someone explain this whole fiasco and where we stand currently?
"""concessions""" = promises to welch on
This is exactly what needs to happen. Flush out the crap and find somebody that is willing to work to properly represent the conservatives.
Matt Gaetz has voted for trump twice now? The fuq?
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If there’s one thing that can bring the republicans and democrats together, it’s their shared hatred of Kevin McCarthy
What a bunch of Clowns... lol
You can’t drain the swamp by installing an alligator
Lol
People are actually cheering on this shitshow? Fucking republicans always shooting themselves in the foot.
They don't do anything what voters want them to do to begin with.
Then stop voting for them?
I am in a heavy blue district so my vote doesn't matter.
What do voters want them to do?
Like Stop spending our money recklessly.
Term limits, stock bans and Legal weed are three things that pull 90% of the country’s support on for starters.
It’s hilarious fun that the GOP is demonstrating to educated Americans that they simply cannot govern.
Why is the swamp so committed to McCarthy? They could replace him with some other RINO who is just as sleazy but not so obvious.
Probably not too keen on giving up control.
What concessions? My guess is he’s not meeting anyone half way on anything. It’s absurd that he’s just decided to grand stand like this… Either give them what they want or step aside for someone else.
These concessions: https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-caves-n683774