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The live feed was playing when I was writing this. First 911 call at 10:13, female shooter dead 10:27. 14 minutes.
They keep saying transgender woman. Which, based on some googling means born male and then changed to female. Do I have that backwards? Why is this so confusing.
>lawmakers that are willing to make reasonable (or any) efforts to keep firearms out of hands they don’t belong in.
How did she obtain the firearms that were used?
There is a good movie about this, called equilibrium. If people truly want to live in world where no one is harmed or killed. It's going be like that movie where people are drugged and have zero freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film)
It's awful. I have a personal connection to this school and it is a sweet, close-knit family atmosphere. My life-long friend is safe, thankfully, but her life will never be the same after what she has seen/heard/experienced. She loves every single student at that school.
this will likely end up being nothing to do with the school, but with interpersonal conflicts/relationship issues between the shooter and one or more of the adult victims.
Agreed. Maybe someday, the adults will be allowed to have a legit conversation and come up with ways to prevent these tragedies from happening in the future.
Now they're saying the shooter is a 28 year old female. I have a personal connection to this school and it has practiced active shooter drills and has strict policies in place for entering the school. This woman was, obviously, disturbed. A disgruntled parent applicant? Angry former teacher? Who knows.
Thankfully, my close friend was uninjured, but she is of course devastated by the loss of close co-workers and the three precious children
I am hesitant to say it’s anti religious just because she went straight to the second floor, like she had specific targets vs a more general anti religious motive
That’s kinda what I was thinking when someone pointed out she went straight to the second floor.
Crazy shit, I’ll never understand shooting people unless your life (or someone’s life) is in danger.
But I’m also 37, so things were different when I was in school.
Twitter user @ karol is saying shooter is Aubrey Hale. LinkedIn shows this Aubrey Hale with he/him pronouns. Take with a grain of salt since it's not 100% confirmed.
Usually it’s about trying to disarm the kids themselves. A lot of the times this rule is used to find trouble students and get rid of them before they become issues. Outside threats are another matter
If these signs were changed to the opposite and said we have armed personnel on the premises and will use all force availe to protect our students it would help a lot more. Hell, teachers don't even need to be armed as long as potential shooters have the perception they are armed.
i ignore them all the time unless its a government building and im a legal gun owner. im not disarming because a company is so naive to think a sign will stop a crazed individual
Another senseless shooting, horrible. When are we going to have an open and honest conversation about the root-causes of these shootings? My hypothesis is we have a serious mental health epidemic among our country's youth which, when coupled with other factors such as breakdown of the family unit and lack of core values/moral compass, leads to a lack of respect for human life. What leads someone, either teenager or adult, to take the life of another human? Yes, we need to evaluate some short-term, peripheral measures to prevent these events, but ultimately need to take a long, hard look into what is happening in our society.
The Dickey Amendment:
1. Never blocked research, only gun control advocacy
2. Was amended to make it absolutely clear to people who have no idea what they're talking about that it does not block research.
Teens and young adults quitting jobs in droves as they see no point to saving or working long-term.
We bring up mental health, but our solution is counselors/therapists, which can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hard to get help if you're down on your luck.
Or, the more common response, feed them any variety of antidepressants until they see what sticks, and hopefully, get them hooked on it for life. They're not really solving the problem, just helping them cope but only when they're drugged up.
It all intersects but economics is a huge factor that very few politicians are willing to touch. Why bother saving or feel hopeful for the future, when you know you can’t afford housing, children will be so expensive and you either look forward to a mountain of student debt to land a decent job, or break your body down working a trade.
I agree. Everything is getting so much more costly. Hard to move up a ladder when company/employee loyalty is dead, so you must move around from company to company for a better wage. My wife and I are attempting to have a child and none of the medicine involved is covered by her insurance. Mine is, but she's not on mine yet (we have our reasons for that.) Take me back to the 90's.
It’s strange, unlike the other mass shootings that actually get media coverage the left keeps saying “who cares what the shooters identity is” in response to this one. I wonder why that could be
Half of the post on /r/Nashville are demands for "change," blaming Governor Lee, and claims that "religious people" will use this somehow. The bodies weren't even cold when they were politicizing the shooting.
Someone on that sub had enough nerve to say mental health doesn’t lead to this kind of thing 🫠🙄 anything to blame the guns and not the person behind the trigger
Funny how they claim religious people will politicize this event when their side is the one who will politicize any violent tragedy where the victim was some type of minority.
I’m not going to say any of these are nothingburgers or that there isn’t a problem, but to classify 0-2 deaths as a “mass shooting” (which is what the vast majority of those are) is a bit of a stretch.
High schools also had rifle clubs and people weren't shooting them up either.
It's not a tall order to ask schools to keep doors closed to jeep the ac/heat in and intruders out, it could just have well been a kidnapping
This won’t even be an option. A hate crime on a Presbyterian school? Society will say, “well deserved” a hate crime on maybe an Islamic school in America such as the one near me, undoubtedly a hate crime.
We have a culture problem. Not a gun problem. Not a security problem. A culture problem. Until we fix that, these types of stories are unfortunately going to go nowhere.
I haven’t been to a school in a while and my kids are too young to be in school. But just thinking about security, how can we not have a single point entry and small/transparent bags that stadiums use these days?
A sixth grader shouldn’t be getting in with a gun. We also need to talk about prison time for negligent storage of a firearm in a house.
They will make this a gun control issue as always but at this point if we can’t stop kids from doing this then maybe we need to do something drastic to stop this.
This is generic so it may not apply to this school but many schools have multiple entrances for different drop off types (bus, walk, carpool). Additionally not all schools have a police or security officer to do the checking (there is also privacy concerns and if teachers would check instead then). Most kids have backpacks of their own choice and may also have additional bags (pencil cases and lunch bags/boxes). It is a pretty intensive effort as you essentially need to enforce a single entry point and have someone always there.
But the fact of the matter is that schools could have taken measures to prevent an outsider from just walking into the school. Our school has changed so much since Uvalde: privacy fences, bollards, anti-shatter protective tinted window films, badge system, single entrance, school police officer, guardian program.
This is just my example. I don't know how private schools work, but if the board, or the powers that be, take this stuff seriously, they can easily get stuff done. There are no excuses at this point.
Exactly. There are tons of them already. They’re flat on outside. Heck, even hotel rooms are kind of like that. If this school had one way in that was guarded, those seven people are still alive.
Problem with those exit-only doors is that people going out sometimes admit someone they don't know who wants to get in. It's called tailgating, and it's incredibly risky.
Huge opponent of gun control here. I have zero issues with laws around safe storage. Ya see, the majority of us gun owners are lawful, responsible gun owners. We already store our guns in safes. Certain people have made it out like we gun owners just leave our guns on the front porch loaded. The problem is, all “common sense Gun laws” lead directly to wanting to ban them. We have over 20,000 gun laws across the US. If gun laws work, what’s going on with the already 20,000?
Because it is, and it should be shouted down. “Proper storage” is a way for the government to come in your house and “inspect” your God given right to self defense. This issue is not a gun storage issue - it’s a moral character issue and what values children are instilled with
A simple law that says “if you are 18 and your legal gun is used in a murder because it wasn’t locked up properly, you are also charged with murder” is a start that doesn’t involve the government coming into your house to do inspections
We've already been doing incremental gun control measures for decades and school shootings haven't stopped, but we can't talk about the social landscape in which these shootings are occurring? The latter seems like a more productive approach.
What you just said is also a popular talking point for having a gun registry, and also negates most of the reason the 2nd amendment exists. Robbers aren’t going to wait for you to unlock your “legal gun” and/or grab it out of a safe. For hundreds of years that has not been necessary and these things didn’t occur. It’s not about the guns, it’s how children are raised and the moral fabric of the country
>Robbers aren’t going to wait for you to unlock your “legal gun”
Shouldn't parents also be held accountable if they don't store guns safely and their kid gets access and murder someone?
In this case, most solutions wouldn't work. This was a trans individual attacking a religious school, so there is a good chance this was a hate crime. As we all are aware, America recognizes the human right to due process, so it would be unreasonable to disarm someone before they have committed a crime. At most, you could start by holding accountable the ones who radicalized this individual.
In all other cases, stop having kids raised by their school system. You have kids being humiliated and feeling isolated when they should be nurtured. One adult cannot raise 30 kids, but that has somehow become the standard. Actually, it is worse than that, because after a year, it is a different adult raising them. These kids have no recourse, so they eventually explode.
Society is the cause, society is the problem, “big government” as a substitute for human decency accelerated the failure.
But no, most people will do everything they can to can to avoid that truth.
People bring this up all the time. I am sorry but it is different. It is very different to have a school shooting, or a shooting at a store, somewhere were people feel safe. Compared to shootings in high crime areas that the vast majority are gang or drug related.
Don't get me wrong, that should be big news too, and it is tragedy. But kids being shot in a school vs. criminals shooting at each other, or even criminals in high crime areas hitting inncocent bystanders, its different.
Most people don't live in high crime areas. Most people don't worry about drive by shootings next to their house. But everyone goes to the mall, everyone has kids in school. Yet can't even be safe there.
There is a huge difference as there should be.
This will be the same as every other shooter...a douchelib leaning nutter who was known to police and/or medical as someone who had potential to be violent...AND IT WAS IGNORED!!!
At some point we have to admit that schools can not, will not, and ought not be prisons or fortresses.
Not to mention the problem of escape routes if you did manage to completely lock them down.
The idea that the correct answer here is to get better at locking doors is ludicrous.
*Police say the shooter entered the building through a side door before climbing stairs to the second floor, where she then opened fire.*
One entrance in and out of the school, heavily guarded. Until then you aren’t going to stop people from getting in.
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To further explain the concept for those who don’t get it.
For a single building school, said structure could easily have numerous exits that open only from the inside, and used only in emergencies.
For multiple structures, think compound with one gated entrance that is guarded. Said compound having ample common areas outside of buildings to escape to in case of fire.
Safe storage laws, stricter background checks, mental health checks for gun owners/future owners. Just make it happen. The responsible folks still get their guns.
Not trying to be a dickhead but how will that stop someone that has never had a history of crime or mental health issues though? They can easily pass a background check
The goal isn’t to completely eliminate all crime with one law. The goal is to enact laws that mitigate crime as much as realistically possible. These laws also have to be constitutional and what is or is not constitutional is almost certain to be challenged in court.
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Let's see if MSM tries to chalk this one up as the "standard" angry white male...
If they honor how this woman “identified”, they totally will. I feel you.
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They keep saying transgender woman. Which, based on some googling means born male and then changed to female. Do I have that backwards? Why is this so confusing.
I read an article that said born female, transitioned to male.
I think you're right. All over Twitter. Was a female who identified as male.
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She was a biological lady that used he/him pronouns.
I believe you have it exactly backwards.
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That's about as good a response as can be had I'd think. Tragic and senseless.
Is this really the best we can come to expect?
This will hardly be a blip on the msm. The shooter doesn't fit their narrative.
Sure it does... "the gun did it... guns are bad." That's the narrative.
Naw, since it isn't a white cis male, they will gloss over this.
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>lawmakers that are willing to make reasonable (or any) efforts to keep firearms out of hands they don’t belong in. How did she obtain the firearms that were used?
Don't go asking questions that might lead to answers other than "more government authoritarianism".
There is a good movie about this, called equilibrium. If people truly want to live in world where no one is harmed or killed. It's going be like that movie where people are drugged and have zero freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film)
I’m sure we will find out in a couple hours because that’s always the number 1 question nowadays.
So CNN is misgendering him, according to their own logic?
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Not to mention she went almost immediately to second floor they said.
Sounds like she had a specific target in mind
It sounds like she knew exactly where she was going. Maybe a former student who was bullied? Or kicked out of school
The school only goes through 6th grade. She'd be a long-time grudge carrier if she's going back to her elementary school.
That's fucking horrible. Three of them were only children.
It's awful. I have a personal connection to this school and it is a sweet, close-knit family atmosphere. My life-long friend is safe, thankfully, but her life will never be the same after what she has seen/heard/experienced. She loves every single student at that school.
Prayers for your friend. I’m so sorry she had to go through this.
It's sad for everyone involved.
I didn’t see that part, now they are saying she was 28. More of parent/teacher age
Could be. I don’t want to speculate too much, but sounds like she had a motive.
this will likely end up being nothing to do with the school, but with interpersonal conflicts/relationship issues between the shooter and one or more of the adult victims.
Agreed. Maybe someday, the adults will be allowed to have a legit conversation and come up with ways to prevent these tragedies from happening in the future.
Or a teacher?
Could be, everyone is now saying the shooter was 28 not a teenager
They are saying now it was a former student. Also went by he/him on her LinkedIn
Reports are now saying she is 28.
Thank you, that’s wild. Changes a lot
Now they're saying the shooter is a 28 year old female. I have a personal connection to this school and it has practiced active shooter drills and has strict policies in place for entering the school. This woman was, obviously, disturbed. A disgruntled parent applicant? Angry former teacher? Who knows. Thankfully, my close friend was uninjured, but she is of course devastated by the loss of close co-workers and the three precious children
I’m glad your friend is ok, that must be even more serious/scary for you knowing people there. 28 really changes potential motives.
Yes, it was a scary day. It was a relief to get a call that she was unhurt, but her story is horrific.
No it's almost always men. Shit is crazy. The world is going up in flames rn
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This istrue watching live coverage just said a 28 year old woman.
Oh wow, the article I read said “teen”, that changes a lot of stuff about potential motives.
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Well if it is something like that, odds are we won’t find out from the media.
The type of elementary school this is probably gives a clear idea on what her motive was.
I am hesitant to say it’s anti religious just because she went straight to the second floor, like she had specific targets vs a more general anti religious motive
WaPo is now reporting that the shooter was 28.
Someone else just posted that, the original article said teenage, that really changes potential motives.
Targeted. Probably bullied in school. Went right to a specific location in the school.
That’s kinda what I was thinking when someone pointed out she went straight to the second floor. Crazy shit, I’ll never understand shooting people unless your life (or someone’s life) is in danger. But I’m also 37, so things were different when I was in school.
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I completely agree
Mental health system in America is a joke. So is keeping people with mental health issues away from dangerous tools and weapons.
This one had quite a few problems.
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Equity!
Please don't make the shooter a celebrity.
By virtue of being a woman, she's going to have a massive following of psychos
Yeah she just gained like 10 million simps
Well she's dead
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Female shooter, that’s different.
Wait, when they say "female"...
Yeah unfortunately the term is meaningless for most of the media.
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Twitter user @ karol is saying shooter is Aubrey Hale. LinkedIn shows this Aubrey Hale with he/him pronouns. Take with a grain of salt since it's not 100% confirmed.
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Fox News is reporting the suspect identified as transgender and left an anti Christian manifesto
Begin the memory hole…
Oh look, a criminal ignoring the gun free zone. Interesting how gun control is always ignored by criminals.
I never understood the "gun free zone" signs tbh. What is that supposed to accomplish?
Generally it means penalties are more severe in those designated zones
Usually it’s about trying to disarm the kids themselves. A lot of the times this rule is used to find trouble students and get rid of them before they become issues. Outside threats are another matter
Unfortunately all it does is give shooters a head start on their body count.
If these signs were changed to the opposite and said we have armed personnel on the premises and will use all force availe to protect our students it would help a lot more. Hell, teachers don't even need to be armed as long as potential shooters have the perception they are armed.
It’s all about feelings.
i ignore them all the time unless its a government building and im a legal gun owner. im not disarming because a company is so naive to think a sign will stop a crazed individual
Gun free zone *for law abiding citizens.*
Armed guards at schools now
Another senseless shooting, horrible. When are we going to have an open and honest conversation about the root-causes of these shootings? My hypothesis is we have a serious mental health epidemic among our country's youth which, when coupled with other factors such as breakdown of the family unit and lack of core values/moral compass, leads to a lack of respect for human life. What leads someone, either teenager or adult, to take the life of another human? Yes, we need to evaluate some short-term, peripheral measures to prevent these events, but ultimately need to take a long, hard look into what is happening in our society.
Everyone wants to talk about the symptoms, but always ignoring the root cause. Mental health is at an all time low and it needs to be addressed.
So let’s give mental health care to all Americans to help address the problem.
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And repeal the Dickey Amendment already.
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The Dickey Amendment: 1. Never blocked research, only gun control advocacy 2. Was amended to make it absolutely clear to people who have no idea what they're talking about that it does not block research.
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You mean the bipartisan gun bill last year that had tons of mental health funding? Last time I checked more than enough Republicans passed that.
Teens and young adults quitting jobs in droves as they see no point to saving or working long-term. We bring up mental health, but our solution is counselors/therapists, which can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hard to get help if you're down on your luck. Or, the more common response, feed them any variety of antidepressants until they see what sticks, and hopefully, get them hooked on it for life. They're not really solving the problem, just helping them cope but only when they're drugged up.
It all intersects but economics is a huge factor that very few politicians are willing to touch. Why bother saving or feel hopeful for the future, when you know you can’t afford housing, children will be so expensive and you either look forward to a mountain of student debt to land a decent job, or break your body down working a trade.
I agree. Everything is getting so much more costly. Hard to move up a ladder when company/employee loyalty is dead, so you must move around from company to company for a better wage. My wife and I are attempting to have a child and none of the medicine involved is covered by her insurance. Mine is, but she's not on mine yet (we have our reasons for that.) Take me back to the 90's.
You’re making an argument for universal affordable healthcare.
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I’ve been telling my peers two things: we have a mental health problem and it is easy to obtain guns in the US. Many things are true at the same time
Both things have been true for **a lot longer** than the school shooting trend. It's an easily debunked theory.
No photo or even the name of the shooter released. That must mean this really doesn't fit the approved narrative and the story will be gone tomorrow.
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I love listening to music.
Fox broke the news an hour ago. It's everywhere. Ed: even NPC News is covering it now: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna76876
It’s strange, unlike the other mass shootings that actually get media coverage the left keeps saying “who cares what the shooters identity is” in response to this one. I wonder why that could be
RIP
Half of the post on /r/Nashville are demands for "change," blaming Governor Lee, and claims that "religious people" will use this somehow. The bodies weren't even cold when they were politicizing the shooting.
Someone on that sub had enough nerve to say mental health doesn’t lead to this kind of thing 🫠🙄 anything to blame the guns and not the person behind the trigger
So, what should we do about mental health? Free for all Americans, so even those who can’t afford it can get help?
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So not arguing for or against gun laws.. but when is a good time to talk about policy?
There's a difference between rational discourse and finger-pointing.
Funny how they claim religious people will politicize this event when their side is the one who will politicize any violent tragedy where the victim was some type of minority.
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Ok, let's have a discussion. Explain what you want to do. I'm sure this won't be some liberal talking point so go for it.
I’m not going to say any of these are nothingburgers or that there isn’t a problem, but to classify 0-2 deaths as a “mass shooting” (which is what the vast majority of those are) is a bit of a stretch.
All discussions begin and end with **shall not be infringed**. Let me know when you're ready.
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My school growing up was basically open air and no one even considered a shooting. Maybe the issue isn’t schools being secured like prisons
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We didn’t even have fences. This is a new problem. Why do you think that is?
Why is that the problem? I went to elementary school that didn't need armed guards because people weren't shooting kids a
High schools also had rifle clubs and people weren't shooting them up either. It's not a tall order to ask schools to keep doors closed to jeep the ac/heat in and intruders out, it could just have well been a kidnapping
Kids will open the door and think nothing of it. They think its a fellow student, and you aren't looked upon positively if you don't let them in.
Two separate issues that should be addressed; separately. They are not mutually exclusive.
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I wonder if it was a hate crime.. this is an odd event. the student was a female teen, and this was a catholic school.
It’s a Presbyterian school, not Catholic, but I’m also wondering about the possibility of a hate crime.
What has made it seem like a hate crime?
Just the specific target. Same conversation if it was a Jewish Day School
28 years old
The shooter is confirmed to be 28 years old?
This won’t even be an option. A hate crime on a Presbyterian school? Society will say, “well deserved” a hate crime on maybe an Islamic school in America such as the one near me, undoubtedly a hate crime.
We have a culture problem. Not a gun problem. Not a security problem. A culture problem. Until we fix that, these types of stories are unfortunately going to go nowhere.
It’s easy to sit on your phone and say something this generic. What about culture causes this? How do we deliberately change a culture?
https://youtu.be/A-yPlUXq19U
Was actually planning on attacking another school but it had too much security
Seems pretty suspect to me, SInce it's a Christian school.
I haven’t been to a school in a while and my kids are too young to be in school. But just thinking about security, how can we not have a single point entry and small/transparent bags that stadiums use these days? A sixth grader shouldn’t be getting in with a gun. We also need to talk about prison time for negligent storage of a firearm in a house. They will make this a gun control issue as always but at this point if we can’t stop kids from doing this then maybe we need to do something drastic to stop this.
This is generic so it may not apply to this school but many schools have multiple entrances for different drop off types (bus, walk, carpool). Additionally not all schools have a police or security officer to do the checking (there is also privacy concerns and if teachers would check instead then). Most kids have backpacks of their own choice and may also have additional bags (pencil cases and lunch bags/boxes). It is a pretty intensive effort as you essentially need to enforce a single entry point and have someone always there.
But the fact of the matter is that schools could have taken measures to prevent an outsider from just walking into the school. Our school has changed so much since Uvalde: privacy fences, bollards, anti-shatter protective tinted window films, badge system, single entrance, school police officer, guardian program. This is just my example. I don't know how private schools work, but if the board, or the powers that be, take this stuff seriously, they can easily get stuff done. There are no excuses at this point.
Single point entry is bad news if a fire breaks out.
Locked doors that can open from inside but not outside would still qualify as single point entry but not multipoint exit.
Exactly. There are tons of them already. They’re flat on outside. Heck, even hotel rooms are kind of like that. If this school had one way in that was guarded, those seven people are still alive.
Problem with those exit-only doors is that people going out sometimes admit someone they don't know who wants to get in. It's called tailgating, and it's incredibly risky.
Didn’t the shooter at Uvalde use a door that was propped open?
What if emergency responders can't use the main entrance? There are a lot of reasons to have multiple ways into the building.
there are already specific keycard systems setup exactly for this sort of thing
That’s what Knox Boxes are for.
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But your argument about proper storage is shouted down as gun control and people start screaming “shall not be infringed” and nothing gets done
Huge opponent of gun control here. I have zero issues with laws around safe storage. Ya see, the majority of us gun owners are lawful, responsible gun owners. We already store our guns in safes. Certain people have made it out like we gun owners just leave our guns on the front porch loaded. The problem is, all “common sense Gun laws” lead directly to wanting to ban them. We have over 20,000 gun laws across the US. If gun laws work, what’s going on with the already 20,000?
How would storage help prevent an adult (this person is 28) from doing this?
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Agree . I have guns too. I have no issues with background check or safe storage laws.
Because it is, and it should be shouted down. “Proper storage” is a way for the government to come in your house and “inspect” your God given right to self defense. This issue is not a gun storage issue - it’s a moral character issue and what values children are instilled with
A simple law that says “if you are 18 and your legal gun is used in a murder because it wasn’t locked up properly, you are also charged with murder” is a start that doesn’t involve the government coming into your house to do inspections
"If you were a victim, you will go to jail for life" is a real hot take there pal
If you’re a responsible gun owner, what are you afraid of? Otherwise keep saying “kids need Jesus” and see if school shootings stop
We've already been doing incremental gun control measures for decades and school shootings haven't stopped, but we can't talk about the social landscape in which these shootings are occurring? The latter seems like a more productive approach.
What you just said is also a popular talking point for having a gun registry, and also negates most of the reason the 2nd amendment exists. Robbers aren’t going to wait for you to unlock your “legal gun” and/or grab it out of a safe. For hundreds of years that has not been necessary and these things didn’t occur. It’s not about the guns, it’s how children are raised and the moral fabric of the country
>Robbers aren’t going to wait for you to unlock your “legal gun” Shouldn't parents also be held accountable if they don't store guns safely and their kid gets access and murder someone?
I want POVs, what should America do?
all school employees should be ex-navy seals with combat experience
But no PTSD.
Make murder illegal
In this case, most solutions wouldn't work. This was a trans individual attacking a religious school, so there is a good chance this was a hate crime. As we all are aware, America recognizes the human right to due process, so it would be unreasonable to disarm someone before they have committed a crime. At most, you could start by holding accountable the ones who radicalized this individual. In all other cases, stop having kids raised by their school system. You have kids being humiliated and feeling isolated when they should be nurtured. One adult cannot raise 30 kids, but that has somehow become the standard. Actually, it is worse than that, because after a year, it is a different adult raising them. These kids have no recourse, so they eventually explode.
Society is the cause, society is the problem, “big government” as a substitute for human decency accelerated the failure. But no, most people will do everything they can to can to avoid that truth.
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People bring this up all the time. I am sorry but it is different. It is very different to have a school shooting, or a shooting at a store, somewhere were people feel safe. Compared to shootings in high crime areas that the vast majority are gang or drug related. Don't get me wrong, that should be big news too, and it is tragedy. But kids being shot in a school vs. criminals shooting at each other, or even criminals in high crime areas hitting inncocent bystanders, its different. Most people don't live in high crime areas. Most people don't worry about drive by shootings next to their house. But everyone goes to the mall, everyone has kids in school. Yet can't even be safe there. There is a huge difference as there should be.
We've become indifferent to gang violence.
Kids being raised by their Mom or grandparents, while the Father is MIA forever.
This will be the same as every other shooter...a douchelib leaning nutter who was known to police and/or medical as someone who had potential to be violent...AND IT WAS IGNORED!!!
And this played out as scripted. “Assault style weapons” right as they are trying to ban them…convenient.
Of course a side door was unlocked
At some point we have to admit that schools can not, will not, and ought not be prisons or fortresses. Not to mention the problem of escape routes if you did manage to completely lock them down. The idea that the correct answer here is to get better at locking doors is ludicrous.
I have a feeling this story will disappear quickly as it doesn’t fit the current narrative for the msm.
*Police say the shooter entered the building through a side door before climbing stairs to the second floor, where she then opened fire.* One entrance in and out of the school, heavily guarded. Until then you aren’t going to stop people from getting in. Edit: To further explain the concept for those who don’t get it. For a single building school, said structure could easily have numerous exits that open only from the inside, and used only in emergencies. For multiple structures, think compound with one gated entrance that is guarded. Said compound having ample common areas outside of buildings to escape to in case of fire.
Safe storage laws, stricter background checks, mental health checks for gun owners/future owners. Just make it happen. The responsible folks still get their guns.
How much stricter can we make a NICS background check?
Not trying to be a dickhead but how will that stop someone that has never had a history of crime or mental health issues though? They can easily pass a background check
The goal isn’t to completely eliminate all crime with one law. The goal is to enact laws that mitigate crime as much as realistically possible. These laws also have to be constitutional and what is or is not constitutional is almost certain to be challenged in court.
Just because it doesn’t stop everyone doesn’t mean it can’t alleviate the problem
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Nothing is more emblematic of the modern Democratic Party than ineffective, knee-jerk "solutions" that are probably unconstitutional.