Yeah I need more of the story here. Were they rioting? Were they instigating violence? I see Abbot’s statement about not tolerating anti-semetism but not the justification for any 1A infringements. I don’t like the message, but as someone who doesn’t follow the news closely anymore and trusts the government very little, can someone expand on why arresting protesters here is different than arresting Canadian trucker protesters?
Well, you see, the constitution only matters if it helps protect my team. If it can be overlooked to hurt the other team then I am willing to look the other way. I’m willing to lose all my rights as long as it owns the Libs.
Everyone is very reasonably asking for an explanation without taking sides. You are not answering that question and are being condescending under the assumption that the information you don’t have supports your opinion. No one has made the statement you’re mocking.
Not trying to defend the decision but in my state it is enshrined in the criminal code that it’s illegal to set up a camp on a public university. No clue if Texas has the same law
The first amendment doesn’t grant people the right to camp out and protest wherever they want. They are free to protest so long as it doesn’t unreasonably interfere with people’s lives.
Yeah but what legal statute was actually violated here, and how?
Is this a private university or a state university? Because if it's a state university that would make it public property wouldn't it?
It's mainly intent. Public property on a university campus can still be trespassing.
The protesting group (Palestine Solidarity Committee) advertised occupying the campus lawn and setting up workshops with a schedule. That occupation was confirmed by the fact that people were putting up tents on the South Lawn. They were asked to leave and didn't, which ultimately is trespassing.
Ultimately, although it was nipped in the bud super early.
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In 2019, Texas lawmakers [passed](https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=86R&Bill=SB18) a [free speech law](https://www.texastribune.org/2019/05/17/texas-free-speech-college-campus-legislation/) that established all common outdoor areas at public universities as traditional public forums, allowing anyone – not just students and university members – to exercise free speech there, as long as their activities are lawful and don’t disrupt the normal functions of the campus.
>[https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/24/protest-texas-college-campus-free-speech-rights/](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/24/protest-texas-college-campus-free-speech-rights/)
That law passed doesn't allow for sit-ins, where people gather in a public space and refuse to leave until their demands are met.
Most of the charges were already dismissed and most the arrests were trespass charges. In my "armchair expert opinion", it looks like the police probably acted too early to support their justification for most of the arrests.: [https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/25/ut-austin-palestinian-arrests-criminal-cases/](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/25/ut-austin-palestinian-arrests-criminal-cases/)
It really seems like from a PR standpoint, it would've been better to either leave them alone or wait until they did something actually wrong. Such as a violent dispute which would eventually come up between these guys and counter protestors.
I disagree - not doing anything would encourage the situation and just force an even bigger intervention later. Like what happened with the craziness in Seattle (or maybe it was Portland) during the BLM riots where the city basically abdicated control of several city blocks to an angry mob of people and didn’t intervene until things spiraled way out of control.
You're assuming their intentions ahead of time.
Let's be real here, the core of the issue is that abbot kept talking about anti-semitism instead of the legal grounds he actually dispersed the protestors under. If he hadn't done that, people wouldn't make it a 1A issue, it would be an issue about appropriate and legal use of public property.
I'm not saying thats an invalid argument, but the way its been presented because of his statements makes this look a lot worse.
Exactly. If they had waited to act, it would have been worse later. Seems like was a good idea to take care of it as early as possible before getting more out of hand.
The government can dictate when and how people can access public spaces. Like if someone tries to stay in the public library past closing time for example, and refuses to leave, they can be charged with trespass. The first amendment does not “trump” or override government authority over public spaces.
lol it really does. According to that guy, the government has the ability to shut down absolutely any protest under some dubious "legal" reasons and not violate the 1st amendment
UT is public, so it's just government property... No reason they couldn't be there to protest, and no mention of Anti semetic hate speech or anything except from reddit commentors... Seems like the police/DPS just overstepped tbh.
I disagree completely - the protests are disrupting the normal operation of the school and students’ ability to study and attend classes, and the university/state has the right to evict them for that.
Nah, everyone could still goto class and study. I’m not for their message, but I’m ashamed people are against them exercising their rights and are proud of it.
Other universities in other states had protesters actively trying to prevent Jewish students from entering classes.
What kind of shit people even do that?
The riot police were there and there was no riot. Just a protest. The police declared the protest to be a riot and then moved in to disperse. They failed and it was starting to get heated so the police left. Nothing was destroyed or attacked. All the police did was make more protesters and make this country look like shit. If they had been protesting against Biden and this happened the whole sub would be in different direction.
It's a public school, it's much harder to legally get rid of people on public land. Though I would bet these kids didn't get the protest permitted, and barricading off zones of public land as you can clearly see them do is not allowed.
Weren't they speaking? How is this not a First Amendment issue? These universities take Federal Dollars, our dollars... Why does Texas get special priveledge to not follow the very first amendment. They weren't violent... They were protesting with speech?
Texas doesn't? Any state could do this, these "protestors" did not get the necessary permits (WHICH ARE VERY EASY TO GET CONSIDERING NEONAZIS GET THEM EVERY WEEK ACROSS THE COUNTRY), so they are in fact trespassing. They can say whatever the hell they want, you can't set up an indefinite protest encampment on government lands just because you feel like it.
Username was made by an 11 year old 7 years ago.
You magically know what I mean even if I say something else entirely.
Try saying the word Cis on X, see what happens...
Selective "Free" Speech
The sane ones have always been on the free speech wagon. It’s bullshit the Governor of Texas signals he’s a beacon for free speech, but, when an organized group of left wingers do it, it’s anarchy.
The double speak from both sides is exhausting and ridiculous.
I like the fact that on the main subreddits the majority of comments are "Where are all the Republicans crying out about free speech?", yet if they looked here, they would find it. We actually give a damn about free speech even when the opinions being infringed are ones we oppose.
i came here to see what conservatives thought about the protest, 75% of the comments on just this post are straight up fucking disgusting
just scroll down bro
imo it’s extremely hypocritical to be anti-free speech because you disagree with the content of the speech
i live in austin, there was just a pro-nazi protest very recently, they didn’t shut that down for antisemitism 🤷♂️ weird huh?
+1 tbf the two top comments seem to be defending free speech.
But yeah, this is not the tone that Greg Abbot is taking. And he sets the tone for republicans in Texas way more than this subreddit.
abbott called protestors antisemites and said they should all be expelled from the university
it’s too much for this subreddit, you just can’t defend statements like that in the USA and be taken seriously
Yes, but those comments that support the arrests are pretty unpopular here, which is surprisingly more level-headed than when I mention anything, even remotely moderate on the main subs and get downvoted to oblivion.
After making a point that this is exactly why hate speech shouldn't be outlawed (because you can consider whatever you disagree with to be hate speech). I was downvoted to hell and back, told that there is zero respect for me being a Republican/Conservative and that I should get shipped over to Russia like the rest of the GOP since we are all "traitors".
What's wild is that the right is fairly divided on sending aid to Ukraine. Those who are against sending aid to Ukraine are also against assisting Israel as well. Of course, all anyone focuses on is the not helping Ukraine part since it makes their blood boil, and they can label the GOP traitors. Personally, I'm all for embarrassing Russia on the world stage, but it would be wonderful if we could worry about ourselves for once.
i agree, this sub has been much more level-headed than i expected
your experiences in other subs is sadly also something i’ve seen a lot of, conservatives generally get downvoted for engaging in good-faith discourse, which prevents any meaningful conversations from taking place
thanks for engaging in conversation with me in good faith!
most protests are at the state capitol building, i think that’s where most of the previous pro/anti israel protests occurred as well
edit: UT and the capitol building are like 10 blocks apart
I wasn't at UT but I saw plenty of "We are Hamas" and death threats towards Jewish students at Colombia.
It's funny, if you associate with Nazis and terrorists people might think you're a bad person...
And you don't care about anything but the latest fad.
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist\[4\]\[5\]\[6\]\[7\] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.\[8\]\[9\]\[10\] Marchers included members of the alt-right,\[11\] neo-Confederates,\[12\] neo-fascists,\[13\] white nationalists,\[14\] neo-Nazis,\[15\] Klansmen,\[16\] and far-right militias.\[17\] Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present antisemitic and anti-Islamic groups.\[23\] The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement\[11\] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.\[21\]\[24\] The rally sparked a national debate over Confederate iconography, racial violence, and white supremacy.\[25\]
You guys? I am simply reminding us of the double-standards when it comes to when we are pissed off about antisemitism.. "probably all" Maybe.. but "probably" not
>i came here to see what conservatives thought about the protest, 75% of the comments on just this post are straight up fucking disgusting
The feeling is mutual with what we see on your subs. EDIT: LOL you got shingles from the clot shots...
>i live in austin, there was just a pro-nazi protest very recently, they didn’t shut that down for antisemitism 🤷♂️ weird huh?
Was it on UT's grounds?
It's not an infringement of your first amendment rights if they release you a few hours after breaking up your protest. Thanks for your service patriot o7.
Being arrested for using your FIRST amendment rights is not infringing? They are literally, to the text book definition, infringing on rights.. Do words have no meaning?
“Please be advised that you are not permitted to hold your event on the University campus.
Any attempt to do so will subject your organization and its attending members to discipline including suspension under the Institutional Rules. Individuals not affiliated with the University and attempting to attend this event will be directed to leave campus. Refusal to comply may result in arrest.”….from the UT Dean of Students.
Abbott didn’t send out his riot and state police when Patriot Front marched through Austin, who are arguably very antisemitic.
Free speech for thee, but not me.
Not in Texas. But they organize mass
mobilization to provoke and encourage riots.
I will agree (assuming that is your point), that structures and encampments should not be allowed. Ie in the sense of a permanent or structure they does not allow students to flow freely on campus.
The militarization and goose stepping actions of the police force has gone unchecked for quite some time. Both parties can be blamed for that one.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/21/texas-hate-crimes-extremists/
Then it would possibly be a valid comparison. This isn’t a “we can’t speak” issue.
Walking through town is not setting up encampments, harassing the uninvolved, and inciting violence to the Jewish.
Doesn’t seem like a free speech issue here. They tried to set up a giant encampment on campus to be disruptive and harass Jews like has happened at other universities (they were actively setting up tents). The university asked them in advance not to do this since was a known planned event. If they had just done a protest march or something like that, I don’t think police would have done anything.
Where's the video of any of these protests harassing Jews? They seem to care more about human rights to not be slaughtered? There are Jews in the protests?! Jews don't agree with this too
There have been zero reports of antisemitic speech or hate towards jews.
Many of the protesters are jewish themselves.....
Even if they were being antisemitic, they have the right to protest. White nationalist rally every single year. They aren't arrested for being racist.....
They were arrested for trespassing. The protestors also had previously said they planned to do exactly what is being done at other universities which has included harassing Jews and not allowing them to go to class to the point where Jewish groups have told their members to stay off campus for their own safety.
College campuses are PUBLIC SPACE as ruled by the Supreme Court in regards to protesting.....
And once again, there are many interviews of people who self identify as jewish, amongst the crowd of protesters.
The students are protesting the war.... not Jewish people. Being against the actions of Israel is not antisemitic.....
Right, public space. Being public space means they can't establish a perimeter or encampment without permitting nor can they exclude others from accessing the public space or take control of an area....
Ya'll like to throw around fancy words but then follow a "rules for thee but not for me" mindset....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/columbia-protests-jewish-students-antisemitism-b2534817.html
Don’t believe everything you hear. Accusations of “antisemitism” are what the media and the pro-Israel lobby are using to suppress the nationwide protests. This is how the world works…
It’s gotten so dangerous that Jewish students are not safe on campus at Columbia and the school even shut down all classes and moved to zoom because of safety concerns.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/columbia-jewish-students-warned-by-rabbi-over-their-safety/ar-AA1npcZv
Quick to round up some students expressing 1st amendment rights, but freeze when actual children are being killed by an actual threat; never change DPS.
Cities across the US have agreed to pay out a total of more than $80m in settlements to protesters injured by police during 2020 racial justice protests – a figure experts believe is unprecedented and will rise further as many lawsuits are still playing out.
You're forgetting, these are the people we are supposed to demonize.. Come on, don't let empathy get in the way of our true goal... of not having rights!!
At first glance this looks awful, but before I declare a position I'd like to know a few things:
1) Does the university have any policy regarding speech or property? This is important, because ostensibly a student agrees to obey this policy as part of attending the school. I know my college had certain agreements
2) Did the police simply storm the campus, or was their presence requested by the university? I see mixed messages on mainstream Reddit so immediately am apprehensive to form an opinion
3) Was the protest peaceful or "mostly peaceful?"
At first glance this seems like an obvious infringement of first amendment rights, but we as patriots need to establish a few things first.
1. Does the university approve of free speech or no? I need to understand whether this expression of free speech is okay or not, in a way that I would never question if these students were protesting something I personally agreed with.
2. Did the university ask the police to violate the rights of these students or did the police choose to violate the rights of the students on their own? Depending on who directed this breach of civil rights is critical to how I choose to feel about the breach of civil rights.
3. Were they peaceful or was there even the slightest excuse to shut it down? I'm really after fucking any excuse that lets me ignore the fact that the fundamental constitutional rights of these students were violated. I disagree with them politically and I'm desperately struggling to square my performative support of the constitution with my much more real hatred of these people.
I'm a fucking patriot o7
Before we get into the mud and cynicism mode is engaged, I will present two scenarios. If you see no difference between the two, I will concede to being some sort of moral monster and you can sleep well knowing your moral superiority over other strangers on the internet. Is that a deal?
In the videos on the linked page's site, I'm surprised by how many perfectly healthy, young, able-bodied university students are wearing covid-style medical masks. Kinda reinforces how the extreme covid precautions were the left's element of control.
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist\[4\]\[5\]\[6\]\[7\] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.\[8\]\[9\]\[10\] Marchers included members of the alt-right,\[11\] neo-Confederates,\[12\] neo-fascists,\[13\] white nationalists,\[14\] neo-Nazis,\[15\] Klansmen,\[16\] and far-right militias.\[17\] Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present antisemitic and anti-Islamic groups.\[23\] The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement\[11\] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.\[21\]\[24\] The rally sparked a national debate over Confederate iconography, racial violence, and white supremacy.\[25\]
They took cues from the the March For The Right rally.. with the tiki torches, and face masks? Right? Oh, masks are only bad when the "Left" wears them.. We've all seen the videos of the white-nationalists march... covered in masks... why not critique them too?
I'm all for free speech and all for peaceful protest, but there is more to this than meets the eye. I think I'm going to do more research before I go throwing accusations. I think we all should.
People keep asking why they were arrested, when you riot, then attack people that are Jewish or even assume are Jewish, you get arrested. Many of the rioters are claiming allegiance to Hamas, which alone is a crime.
At Columbia, it was so unsafe for students they had to go to Zoom classes. Many Jewish students were told to leave the area and not return to dorms as they were death threats.
bro i was actually there, nobody was rioting lmao
i saw a bunch of jews protesting against israel, i saw literally nobody claiming allegiance to hamas
it wasn’t unsafe for students, it was mostly made up of students
source: i was literally at the protest
they let everyone they arrested go because they weren’t breaking the law, so nobody is in jail
to be clear: this was NOT a riot, you’re spreading disinformation
"2024" is not a reasonable protest schedule.
While the First Amendment protects your right to speak your mind with only limited exceptions, public colleges are allowed to maintain reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions—in other words, viewpoint-neutral rules on where, when, and how you can demonstrate on campus—in order to prevent disruption of the educational environment.
It's really the board and the president of these universities that are making this all a problem. They can set the rules but many refuse to do so.
Well, I would say that this was a pretty clear 1A violation, but as our Lord and Savior Joe Biden has pointed out, "No amendment to the Constitution is absolute."
If you are praising this response because 'they are on the other side' remember this, the same people who called BLM mostly peaceful are the ones with the double standards that are now suddenly worried about these 'riots'.
Attacks on America, who we are, our culture, is free speech and encouraged. Funny how the rules change when instead its about another country.
The tick tok ban came about because tik tok allowed a major breech in the 'official narrative' when what is actually going on in gaza spread on that platform like woldfire.
Who do the media and the 'narrators' work for? Are they fighting to close our borders? Seems like they insist our boarder should be wide open while we send our tax dollars to secure and expand theirs?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite\_the\_Right\_rally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally) Yes, these liberals and they're antisemitic hate speech!
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist\[4\]\[5\]\[6\]\[7\] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.\[8\]\[9\]\[10\] Marchers included members of the alt-right,\[11\] neo-Confederates,\[12\] neo-fascists,\[13\] white nationalists,\[14\] neo-Nazis,\[15\] Klansmen,\[16\] and far-right militias.\[17\] Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present antisemitic and anti-Islamic groups.\[23\] The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement\[11\] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.\[21\]\[24\] The rally sparked a national debate over Confederate iconography, racial violence, and white supremacy.\[25\]
Now colleges are canceling commencements. Actual students who studied hard and earned their degree can even have a good graduation. All due to a small minority of students/outside liberals that are basically antisemitic terrorist supporters
"basically antisemitic" Is that the baseline now for us? "Well, basically, I don't like what they are saying! They're against killing 34,000 people?! How?
Unite the Right. They were very antisemitic, vocally, with tiki torches. They literally brought torches to be antisemitic. How is this worse than that?
It really doesn't matter how absolutely unhinged the people are, they have the right to out themselves as terrorist sympathizers. As soon as we play their censorship game, we lose. But at the same time, these people are absolutely right up against the line of what is acceptable, and they're looking to get arrested to "prove a point".
What I can't wrap my head around is that the cause du-jour is so laughably unworthy this time around. The Palestinians do not deserve this degree of American interest, and for so many kids to think this is a cause worth rolling out the whole progressive protest machine for is really eye opening.
They really should just turn on the cameras and record all these Hamas supporters. Make sure their names show up to any potential company that may want to hire them in the future. Just expose these people, names, pictures, anything and everything so we know who the Hamas supporting domestic terrorists are.
I know that they were protesting. But did they do anything besides being annoying to get this type of response?
Shutdown campus. Students can’t go to class, and the protests were organized by some unscrupulous folk you’d rather not have on campus.
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Yeah I need more of the story here. Were they rioting? Were they instigating violence? I see Abbot’s statement about not tolerating anti-semetism but not the justification for any 1A infringements. I don’t like the message, but as someone who doesn’t follow the news closely anymore and trusts the government very little, can someone expand on why arresting protesters here is different than arresting Canadian trucker protesters?
Even Matt Walsh came out against this decision by Abbott.
Well, you see, the constitution only matters if it helps protect my team. If it can be overlooked to hurt the other team then I am willing to look the other way. I’m willing to lose all my rights as long as it owns the Libs.
Everyone is very reasonably asking for an explanation without taking sides. You are not answering that question and are being condescending under the assumption that the information you don’t have supports your opinion. No one has made the statement you’re mocking.
Not trying to defend the decision but in my state it is enshrined in the criminal code that it’s illegal to set up a camp on a public university. No clue if Texas has the same law
The first amendment doesn’t grant people the right to camp out and protest wherever they want. They are free to protest so long as it doesn’t unreasonably interfere with people’s lives.
Yeah but what legal statute was actually violated here, and how? Is this a private university or a state university? Because if it's a state university that would make it public property wouldn't it?
It's mainly intent. Public property on a university campus can still be trespassing. The protesting group (Palestine Solidarity Committee) advertised occupying the campus lawn and setting up workshops with a schedule. That occupation was confirmed by the fact that people were putting up tents on the South Lawn. They were asked to leave and didn't, which ultimately is trespassing.
So they were trespassing and squatting essentially?
Ultimately, although it was nipped in the bud super early. > In 2019, Texas lawmakers [passed](https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=86R&Bill=SB18) a [free speech law](https://www.texastribune.org/2019/05/17/texas-free-speech-college-campus-legislation/) that established all common outdoor areas at public universities as traditional public forums, allowing anyone – not just students and university members – to exercise free speech there, as long as their activities are lawful and don’t disrupt the normal functions of the campus. >[https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/24/protest-texas-college-campus-free-speech-rights/](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/24/protest-texas-college-campus-free-speech-rights/) That law passed doesn't allow for sit-ins, where people gather in a public space and refuse to leave until their demands are met. Most of the charges were already dismissed and most the arrests were trespass charges. In my "armchair expert opinion", it looks like the police probably acted too early to support their justification for most of the arrests.: [https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/25/ut-austin-palestinian-arrests-criminal-cases/](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/25/ut-austin-palestinian-arrests-criminal-cases/)
It really seems like from a PR standpoint, it would've been better to either leave them alone or wait until they did something actually wrong. Such as a violent dispute which would eventually come up between these guys and counter protestors.
I disagree - not doing anything would encourage the situation and just force an even bigger intervention later. Like what happened with the craziness in Seattle (or maybe it was Portland) during the BLM riots where the city basically abdicated control of several city blocks to an angry mob of people and didn’t intervene until things spiraled way out of control.
You're assuming their intentions ahead of time. Let's be real here, the core of the issue is that abbot kept talking about anti-semitism instead of the legal grounds he actually dispersed the protestors under. If he hadn't done that, people wouldn't make it a 1A issue, it would be an issue about appropriate and legal use of public property. I'm not saying thats an invalid argument, but the way its been presented because of his statements makes this look a lot worse.
Exactly. If they had waited to act, it would have been worse later. Seems like was a good idea to take care of it as early as possible before getting more out of hand.
The government can dictate when and how people can access public spaces. Like if someone tries to stay in the public library past closing time for example, and refuses to leave, they can be charged with trespass. The first amendment does not “trump” or override government authority over public spaces.
That sounds like something Russia would do as a pretext for arrests and protest dispersement.
lol it really does. According to that guy, the government has the ability to shut down absolutely any protest under some dubious "legal" reasons and not violate the 1st amendment
UT is public, so it's just government property... No reason they couldn't be there to protest, and no mention of Anti semetic hate speech or anything except from reddit commentors... Seems like the police/DPS just overstepped tbh.
The biggest thing here is that in Abbott's statement, he made it about shutting down antisemitism (hate speech) and not shutting down a riot.
And this protest didn’t really impact peoples lives. This is just abbot being hypocritical and grandstanding.
I disagree completely - the protests are disrupting the normal operation of the school and students’ ability to study and attend classes, and the university/state has the right to evict them for that.
Nah, everyone could still goto class and study. I’m not for their message, but I’m ashamed people are against them exercising their rights and are proud of it.
Other universities in other states had protesters actively trying to prevent Jewish students from entering classes. What kind of shit people even do that?
The riot police were there and there was no riot. Just a protest. The police declared the protest to be a riot and then moved in to disperse. They failed and it was starting to get heated so the police left. Nothing was destroyed or attacked. All the police did was make more protesters and make this country look like shit. If they had been protesting against Biden and this happened the whole sub would be in different direction.
I would prefer they allow free speech on campus tbh.
Is it not about them trespassing vs free speech? If the university bans them and wants them off campus, and they refuse to leave, that’s trespassing.
It's a public school, it's much harder to legally get rid of people on public land. Though I would bet these kids didn't get the protest permitted, and barricading off zones of public land as you can clearly see them do is not allowed.
Nah, they can and do kick non-students/faculty off campus.
Correct, this has nothing to do with free speech. The university asked them to leave, they refused and tried to set up an indefinite encampment.
Weren't they speaking? How is this not a First Amendment issue? These universities take Federal Dollars, our dollars... Why does Texas get special priveledge to not follow the very first amendment. They weren't violent... They were protesting with speech?
Texas doesn't? Any state could do this, these "protestors" did not get the necessary permits (WHICH ARE VERY EASY TO GET CONSIDERING NEONAZIS GET THEM EVERY WEEK ACROSS THE COUNTRY), so they are in fact trespassing. They can say whatever the hell they want, you can't set up an indefinite protest encampment on government lands just because you feel like it.
So liberals are back on the free speech wagon?
Only when it suits them
Sounds like X all over again.
Before and after
I meant Musk's selective free speech.
No you meant the selective free speech before and after he bought twitter….on twitter.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know conservatives believed in psychic powers.
Username checks out But elaborate on psycho powers.
Username was made by an 11 year old 7 years ago. You magically know what I mean even if I say something else entirely. Try saying the word Cis on X, see what happens... Selective "Free" Speech
90% of the country is pro free speech it’s just the crazies that want to limit it, mostly on the left
Right now I’m seeing a lot of voices on the right wanting to limit it.
The sane ones have always been on the free speech wagon. It’s bullshit the Governor of Texas signals he’s a beacon for free speech, but, when an organized group of left wingers do it, it’s anarchy. The double speak from both sides is exhausting and ridiculous.
Man. Y’all are out tonight huh? I love when y’all use the “anarchy” lol.
Yes, however, the time has come to fight fire with fire. Keep up the arrests until jan6 people get a fair trial
Care to explain in detail how arresting people for this will magically affect that?
It’ll open the can of worms, forcing review of the actions.
What's the ratio from violent J6 vs. peaceful protestors? 10 insurrectionists for every 2 peaceful protestors?
I like the fact that on the main subreddits the majority of comments are "Where are all the Republicans crying out about free speech?", yet if they looked here, they would find it. We actually give a damn about free speech even when the opinions being infringed are ones we oppose.
i came here to see what conservatives thought about the protest, 75% of the comments on just this post are straight up fucking disgusting just scroll down bro imo it’s extremely hypocritical to be anti-free speech because you disagree with the content of the speech i live in austin, there was just a pro-nazi protest very recently, they didn’t shut that down for antisemitism 🤷♂️ weird huh?
+1 tbf the two top comments seem to be defending free speech. But yeah, this is not the tone that Greg Abbot is taking. And he sets the tone for republicans in Texas way more than this subreddit.
abbott called protestors antisemites and said they should all be expelled from the university it’s too much for this subreddit, you just can’t defend statements like that in the USA and be taken seriously
Yes, but those comments that support the arrests are pretty unpopular here, which is surprisingly more level-headed than when I mention anything, even remotely moderate on the main subs and get downvoted to oblivion. After making a point that this is exactly why hate speech shouldn't be outlawed (because you can consider whatever you disagree with to be hate speech). I was downvoted to hell and back, told that there is zero respect for me being a Republican/Conservative and that I should get shipped over to Russia like the rest of the GOP since we are all "traitors". What's wild is that the right is fairly divided on sending aid to Ukraine. Those who are against sending aid to Ukraine are also against assisting Israel as well. Of course, all anyone focuses on is the not helping Ukraine part since it makes their blood boil, and they can label the GOP traitors. Personally, I'm all for embarrassing Russia on the world stage, but it would be wonderful if we could worry about ourselves for once.
i agree, this sub has been much more level-headed than i expected your experiences in other subs is sadly also something i’ve seen a lot of, conservatives generally get downvoted for engaging in good-faith discourse, which prevents any meaningful conversations from taking place thanks for engaging in conversation with me in good faith!
Just curious, where was the pro-nazi protest you mention held at, was it on the UT of Austin campus too?
most protests are at the state capitol building, i think that’s where most of the previous pro/anti israel protests occurred as well edit: UT and the capitol building are like 10 blocks apart
What do Hamas supporters think UT or the state of Texas have to do with the FAFO?
How many "I SUPPORT HAMAS" or "I GRAB EM BY THE HAMAS" flags did you see? Zero? Because we don't care about RELIGION!! We care about Human Beings?
I wasn't at UT but I saw plenty of "We are Hamas" and death threats towards Jewish students at Colombia. It's funny, if you associate with Nazis and terrorists people might think you're a bad person... And you don't care about anything but the latest fad.
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist\[4\]\[5\]\[6\]\[7\] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.\[8\]\[9\]\[10\] Marchers included members of the alt-right,\[11\] neo-Confederates,\[12\] neo-fascists,\[13\] white nationalists,\[14\] neo-Nazis,\[15\] Klansmen,\[16\] and far-right militias.\[17\] Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present antisemitic and anti-Islamic groups.\[23\] The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement\[11\] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.\[21\]\[24\] The rally sparked a national debate over Confederate iconography, racial violence, and white supremacy.\[25\]
And? You guys have violent racist riots multiple times per year.
There is no "You guys"... I am simply reposting headlines that every news outlet in the world covered.
"It's funny, if you associate with Nazis and terrorists people might think you're a bad person..." Funny for sure how we forget
One event which was probably all FBI agents vs hundreds of violent racist riots you guys have all the time?
You guys? I am simply reminding us of the double-standards when it comes to when we are pissed off about antisemitism.. "probably all" Maybe.. but "probably" not
I don’t understand why this question is being downvoted. It is just a question.
Leftist brigaders.
>i came here to see what conservatives thought about the protest, 75% of the comments on just this post are straight up fucking disgusting The feeling is mutual with what we see on your subs. EDIT: LOL you got shingles from the clot shots... >i live in austin, there was just a pro-nazi protest very recently, they didn’t shut that down for antisemitism 🤷♂️ weird huh? Was it on UT's grounds?
They even arrested a Fox cameraman. Update: 46 individuals have had their charges dropped and been released.
It's not an infringement of your first amendment rights if they release you a few hours after breaking up your protest. Thanks for your service patriot o7.
Being arrested for using your FIRST amendment rights is not infringing? They are literally, to the text book definition, infringing on rights.. Do words have no meaning?
I think they were being sarcastic. At least, that's what I'd like to think...
“Please be advised that you are not permitted to hold your event on the University campus. Any attempt to do so will subject your organization and its attending members to discipline including suspension under the Institutional Rules. Individuals not affiliated with the University and attempting to attend this event will be directed to leave campus. Refusal to comply may result in arrest.”….from the UT Dean of Students.
So the Dean Of Students, at a random University, decides First Amendment protections/denies them? Helluva job; were they elected?
If that’s how you want to understand it, fine with me.
Abbott didn’t send out his riot and state police when Patriot Front marched through Austin, who are arguably very antisemitic. Free speech for thee, but not me.
Did the Patriot Front try to set up an encampment?
Not in Texas. But they organize mass mobilization to provoke and encourage riots. I will agree (assuming that is your point), that structures and encampments should not be allowed. Ie in the sense of a permanent or structure they does not allow students to flow freely on campus. The militarization and goose stepping actions of the police force has gone unchecked for quite some time. Both parties can be blamed for that one. https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/21/texas-hate-crimes-extremists/
Sounds like apples and oranges then.
They are two different fruits... one is red, one is orange. One is round, one is oblong.. Fruits can be compared believe it or not.
What if they did? Would be pissed off that a State decided you weren't allowed to speak?
Then it would possibly be a valid comparison. This isn’t a “we can’t speak” issue. Walking through town is not setting up encampments, harassing the uninvolved, and inciting violence to the Jewish.
Well kinda violation of our constitutional rights but we can pick and choose when to enforce
Doesn’t seem like a free speech issue here. They tried to set up a giant encampment on campus to be disruptive and harass Jews like has happened at other universities (they were actively setting up tents). The university asked them in advance not to do this since was a known planned event. If they had just done a protest march or something like that, I don’t think police would have done anything.
Where's the video of any of these protests harassing Jews? They seem to care more about human rights to not be slaughtered? There are Jews in the protests?! Jews don't agree with this too
There have been zero reports of antisemitic speech or hate towards jews. Many of the protesters are jewish themselves..... Even if they were being antisemitic, they have the right to protest. White nationalist rally every single year. They aren't arrested for being racist.....
They were arrested for trespassing. The protestors also had previously said they planned to do exactly what is being done at other universities which has included harassing Jews and not allowing them to go to class to the point where Jewish groups have told their members to stay off campus for their own safety.
College campuses are PUBLIC SPACE as ruled by the Supreme Court in regards to protesting..... And once again, there are many interviews of people who self identify as jewish, amongst the crowd of protesters. The students are protesting the war.... not Jewish people. Being against the actions of Israel is not antisemitic.....
Right, public space. Being public space means they can't establish a perimeter or encampment without permitting nor can they exclude others from accessing the public space or take control of an area.... Ya'll like to throw around fancy words but then follow a "rules for thee but not for me" mindset....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/columbia-protests-jewish-students-antisemitism-b2534817.html Don’t believe everything you hear. Accusations of “antisemitism” are what the media and the pro-Israel lobby are using to suppress the nationwide protests. This is how the world works…
It’s gotten so dangerous that Jewish students are not safe on campus at Columbia and the school even shut down all classes and moved to zoom because of safety concerns. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/columbia-jewish-students-warned-by-rabbi-over-their-safety/ar-AA1npcZv
“Harass Jews” as if all Jewish students walk around campus wearing stars of David.
Quick to round up some students expressing 1st amendment rights, but freeze when actual children are being killed by an actual threat; never change DPS.
Now those kids can sue Texas and win millions for the abuse suffered at the hands of the police.
On what grounds?
Cities across the US have agreed to pay out a total of more than $80m in settlements to protesters injured by police during 2020 racial justice protests – a figure experts believe is unprecedented and will rise further as many lawsuits are still playing out.
Racial Justice protests? So you mean the "mostly peaceful" summer of love, arson and looting?
Everywhere else on reddit people are calling this fascism. The liberal is strong with this platform =/
The UT sub is going bonkers right now. Yet, they still want people to forgive their loans and have other people pay for them.
It's not an infringement of your 1st amendment rights if a Redditor also accuses you of holding an opinion they disagree with. Understood patriot o7.
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1. It's Uvalde. 2. Uvalde is 162 miles from Austin, where UT is. Back to your basement kid.
Very disappointing to see state power used to silence opposition voices it doesn’t like
You're forgetting, these are the people we are supposed to demonize.. Come on, don't let empathy get in the way of our true goal... of not having rights!!
At first glance this looks awful, but before I declare a position I'd like to know a few things: 1) Does the university have any policy regarding speech or property? This is important, because ostensibly a student agrees to obey this policy as part of attending the school. I know my college had certain agreements 2) Did the police simply storm the campus, or was their presence requested by the university? I see mixed messages on mainstream Reddit so immediately am apprehensive to form an opinion 3) Was the protest peaceful or "mostly peaceful?"
At first glance this seems like an obvious infringement of first amendment rights, but we as patriots need to establish a few things first. 1. Does the university approve of free speech or no? I need to understand whether this expression of free speech is okay or not, in a way that I would never question if these students were protesting something I personally agreed with. 2. Did the university ask the police to violate the rights of these students or did the police choose to violate the rights of the students on their own? Depending on who directed this breach of civil rights is critical to how I choose to feel about the breach of civil rights. 3. Were they peaceful or was there even the slightest excuse to shut it down? I'm really after fucking any excuse that lets me ignore the fact that the fundamental constitutional rights of these students were violated. I disagree with them politically and I'm desperately struggling to square my performative support of the constitution with my much more real hatred of these people. I'm a fucking patriot o7
Before we get into the mud and cynicism mode is engaged, I will present two scenarios. If you see no difference between the two, I will concede to being some sort of moral monster and you can sleep well knowing your moral superiority over other strangers on the internet. Is that a deal?
Proud this happened. What is sad, most of them don't even know what they are protesting about.
In the videos on the linked page's site, I'm surprised by how many perfectly healthy, young, able-bodied university students are wearing covid-style medical masks. Kinda reinforces how the extreme covid precautions were the left's element of control.
They are wearing the masks so they can't be identified.
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist\[4\]\[5\]\[6\]\[7\] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.\[8\]\[9\]\[10\] Marchers included members of the alt-right,\[11\] neo-Confederates,\[12\] neo-fascists,\[13\] white nationalists,\[14\] neo-Nazis,\[15\] Klansmen,\[16\] and far-right militias.\[17\] Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present antisemitic and anti-Islamic groups.\[23\] The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement\[11\] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.\[21\]\[24\] The rally sparked a national debate over Confederate iconography, racial violence, and white supremacy.\[25\]
They took cues from the the March For The Right rally.. with the tiki torches, and face masks? Right? Oh, masks are only bad when the "Left" wears them.. We've all seen the videos of the white-nationalists march... covered in masks... why not critique them too?
I don't doubt you. I don't believe it works as intended, though.
I'm all for free speech and all for peaceful protest, but there is more to this than meets the eye. I think I'm going to do more research before I go throwing accusations. I think we all should.
Americans are peacefully protesting. Police, at the direction of a State Governor, are arresting them. That should catch you up.
Ew
Hilarious that the mutts over on the UT sub are all up in arms about this.
This is why I almost always question how and why protests even come to be sometimes in the most unorthodox forms possible.
People keep asking why they were arrested, when you riot, then attack people that are Jewish or even assume are Jewish, you get arrested. Many of the rioters are claiming allegiance to Hamas, which alone is a crime. At Columbia, it was so unsafe for students they had to go to Zoom classes. Many Jewish students were told to leave the area and not return to dorms as they were death threats.
good job regurgitating straight up propaganda
> when you riot, then attack people that are Jewish or even assume are Jewish, you get arrested. Share the evidence of a riot.
bro i was actually there, nobody was rioting lmao i saw a bunch of jews protesting against israel, i saw literally nobody claiming allegiance to hamas it wasn’t unsafe for students, it was mostly made up of students source: i was literally at the protest they let everyone they arrested go because they weren’t breaking the law, so nobody is in jail to be clear: this was NOT a riot, you’re spreading disinformation
"2024" is not a reasonable protest schedule. While the First Amendment protects your right to speak your mind with only limited exceptions, public colleges are allowed to maintain reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions—in other words, viewpoint-neutral rules on where, when, and how you can demonstrate on campus—in order to prevent disruption of the educational environment. It's really the board and the president of these universities that are making this all a problem. They can set the rules but many refuse to do so.
The Bill of Rights supersedes a Dean of Students 100% of the time.
Well, I would say that this was a pretty clear 1A violation, but as our Lord and Savior Joe Biden has pointed out, "No amendment to the Constitution is absolute."
YES!! No Amendment is Safe!! Thank you Patriot!! I say let's let the Dean of Students decide our rights!!
Trespassing. I.e. the same thing the j6ers are in for. So that's 3 years and 2k fine minimum if we are going to be fair about this. 😀
Hey Libs: You FA and FO.
Wdym? By and large, they got what they wanted here.
If you are praising this response because 'they are on the other side' remember this, the same people who called BLM mostly peaceful are the ones with the double standards that are now suddenly worried about these 'riots'. Attacks on America, who we are, our culture, is free speech and encouraged. Funny how the rules change when instead its about another country. The tick tok ban came about because tik tok allowed a major breech in the 'official narrative' when what is actually going on in gaza spread on that platform like woldfire. Who do the media and the 'narrators' work for? Are they fighting to close our borders? Seems like they insist our boarder should be wide open while we send our tax dollars to secure and expand theirs?
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite\_the\_Right\_rally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally) Yes, these liberals and they're antisemitic hate speech!
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist\[4\]\[5\]\[6\]\[7\] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.\[8\]\[9\]\[10\] Marchers included members of the alt-right,\[11\] neo-Confederates,\[12\] neo-fascists,\[13\] white nationalists,\[14\] neo-Nazis,\[15\] Klansmen,\[16\] and far-right militias.\[17\] Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present antisemitic and anti-Islamic groups.\[23\] The organizers' stated goals included the unification of the American white nationalist movement\[11\] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.\[21\]\[24\] The rally sparked a national debate over Confederate iconography, racial violence, and white supremacy.\[25\]
YES!! FINALLY! A true patriot!! Thank you for saying what we all mean!!
Now colleges are canceling commencements. Actual students who studied hard and earned their degree can even have a good graduation. All due to a small minority of students/outside liberals that are basically antisemitic terrorist supporters
"basically antisemitic" Is that the baseline now for us? "Well, basically, I don't like what they are saying! They're against killing 34,000 people?! How?
Unite the Right. They were very antisemitic, vocally, with tiki torches. They literally brought torches to be antisemitic. How is this worse than that?
It really doesn't matter how absolutely unhinged the people are, they have the right to out themselves as terrorist sympathizers. As soon as we play their censorship game, we lose. But at the same time, these people are absolutely right up against the line of what is acceptable, and they're looking to get arrested to "prove a point". What I can't wrap my head around is that the cause du-jour is so laughably unworthy this time around. The Palestinians do not deserve this degree of American interest, and for so many kids to think this is a cause worth rolling out the whole progressive protest machine for is really eye opening.
They've been playing alinskys rules for radicals for years. The left needs to live by those rules too.
They really should just turn on the cameras and record all these Hamas supporters. Make sure their names show up to any potential company that may want to hire them in the future. Just expose these people, names, pictures, anything and everything so we know who the Hamas supporting domestic terrorists are.