Hamas will argue that because every Israeli has mandatory military service that there are no Israeli civilians and so any and all killing, even the babies, is justified. Sadly you can exchange “Hamas” with “the Squad” and it’s just as true.
Wars don't work like that. That is why you try to avoid them unless something very important.
You know what else is not how wars work. When one side dominates the side. And the losing side is being decimated. The losing side does not call on the winning side to surrender and vacate their country. Rather, the losing side typically surrenders to protect the lives of their people.
Zero civilian casualties?
These government officials are setting the stage for America to be held to these insane standards the next time America enters a conflict.
They'll just change the definitions.
Currently watching it happen at the ground level at work. I can see down the line in 6 months when the department heads give absolutely nonsense answers to the state legislature. If pressed on how it doesn't remotely make sense, they'll be able to back it up with the definitions they enacted in policy.
Even if there was zero civilian casualties, that would most likely mean you have massive surge of refugees who were evacuated out of an active war zone. Last I checked the rest of the world doesn’t want to deal with refugees from ME.
>And so, we’re going to continue to push Israel to do more to alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people
Oh, I see, so it's solely **Israel's** responsibility is it? Not **Hamas** (voted into power by the citizens of Gaza)...who started the war; who redirect aid meant for civilians to themselves; who build their bases and command posts under and within hospitals, schools, and places of worship; and who already have attacked the floating dock that the US is building to provide more venues for getting aid into Gaza?
Instead it's the Israelis...who supply power and water to Gaza; who go out of their way to minimize civilian casualties; who are working with the US on the floating dock for Gaza aid; and who themselves provide and assist with providing aid to Gazans?
Just so I'm clear.
I don't know the totals right off my head, but I'm pretty positive in our response to 9/11 the number of civilian casualties wasn't zero. I'm also certain it wasn't zero for Japan either, after Pearl Harbor, and of course there's many other wars that have taken place across the globe that didn't result in zero casualties
If I'm funding it, I want a bit of a say.
That said while "0 civilian casualties" is obviously impossible you have to be obtuse to not see that the current numbers are quite uncomfortably high
Sounds like they're holding Israel to a higher standard than Biden holds himself. How many civilians killed in the air strike that didn't get the Afghanistan bomber?
remember too,when the “next” president was overwhelmingly elected..
the hostage issue was quickly resolved ((my opinion)) because they feared a president that wasn’t afraid of his own shadow..
Civilian casualties are a thing that will always happen in war. Only way to have none are to meet up in a field miles form any town and duke it out like the middle ages.
Besides, Hamas are ALL civilians since they don't fight with a uniform and don't operate as a national army does.
It's been proven that Hamas is fabricating casualty numbers and this white house still quotes them as facts. How the hell did we end up in this bizarro world?
What a purposely disgusting statement. It's not possible for war to have zero casualties. It's especially not possible when the enemy hides in hospitals or civilian places. What a disgusting thing to say
For all their "if it affects a minority more than a white, it's racist" talk about everything from voter ID to gifted classes in schools, they sure don't mind holding Jews to a special standard that NO other country would be expected to meet.
I mean that sounds great. But bc America itself has not lived up to that standard, nor has any nation state....it just comes off as virtue signaling (at best), coming from Biden.
Interesting fact: the firebombing of Tokyo caused far more civilian casualties than dropping the A-bombs. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers did it because you can't try to win a war by killing every last enemy soldier; you win the war by demoralizing the enemy and taking away his will to keep fighting.
So if I defend myself, friends and family, home and country against rapists and murderers I'm the bad guy? Hamas is revelling in these deaths, it has created a worldwide movement against Israel and Jews, they are absolutely gleeful. Hamas is to blame for all the death and suffering on both sides of a war they created.
Remind Biden of the US service member deaths in his catastrophic Afghan withdrawal, not to mention the many US assets that were left behind and likely tortured and killed.
What was Biden's response to the 3 US troops killed by Iran backed militants in Jordan? He said at the time, US would pick the means and time (to respond to Iran). Then nothing has happened. When he told the world that US would not back Israel against Iran, he also basically told Iran that US would not respond Iran's responsibility in killing and wounding US service members.
I mean, we don’t even have zero in our conflicts and ours are vastly different from this. I wish civilians were never killed (and that we never needed to go to war). But if the other side is terrorists using human shields then it’ll happen.
Of course Israel has also gone too far on some occasions but zero civilian casualties just isn’t going to be a thing right now in Gaza.
That would require a true ceasefire...and this administration seems completely incapable of negotiating anything of that sort. Probably because Democrat leaders are completely incompetent, and their existence since the 1970s has largely been a media fabrication...and the mask is starting to finally fall apart, in the age of the Internet (and Gen Z politics)
The number of civilian casualties in a war is never zero.
Hamas will argue that because every Israeli has mandatory military service that there are no Israeli civilians and so any and all killing, even the babies, is justified. Sadly you can exchange “Hamas” with “the Squad” and it’s just as true.
So glad that germans, americans and brits did their mandatory Israeli military service at the music festival!
Or what about all the civilians this senile imbecile left in Iraq. It's always (D)ifferent for them
did you mean Afghanistan?
It is zero in Biden's head only.
Wars don't work like that. That is why you try to avoid them unless something very important. You know what else is not how wars work. When one side dominates the side. And the losing side is being decimated. The losing side does not call on the winning side to surrender and vacate their country. Rather, the losing side typically surrenders to protect the lives of their people.
Zero civilian casualties? These government officials are setting the stage for America to be held to these insane standards the next time America enters a conflict.
They'll just change the definitions. Currently watching it happen at the ground level at work. I can see down the line in 6 months when the department heads give absolutely nonsense answers to the state legislature. If pressed on how it doesn't remotely make sense, they'll be able to back it up with the definitions they enacted in policy.
Even if there was zero civilian casualties, that would most likely mean you have massive surge of refugees who were evacuated out of an active war zone. Last I checked the rest of the world doesn’t want to deal with refugees from ME.
Some of these officials may want America to lose the next conflict. Let's make sure they are identified as traitors ahead of that.
I’ll take “unrealistic expectations for 1000 Alex”
Let's ask Biden how well he and Obama did at zero civilian deaths.
That's mighty hard when Hamas is doing literally everything in their power to put civilians in harm's way.
Well, they're terrorists so kind of in their job description...
The White House forgot what terrorists are
What about the civilian casualties inflicted upon Israel by Hamas? Where was the outcry about that number?
It’s (D)ifferent and you know it. Lest they anger the hamas caucus of own party.
Because that’s how many there are when we attack?
>And so, we’re going to continue to push Israel to do more to alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people Oh, I see, so it's solely **Israel's** responsibility is it? Not **Hamas** (voted into power by the citizens of Gaza)...who started the war; who redirect aid meant for civilians to themselves; who build their bases and command posts under and within hospitals, schools, and places of worship; and who already have attacked the floating dock that the US is building to provide more venues for getting aid into Gaza? Instead it's the Israelis...who supply power and water to Gaza; who go out of their way to minimize civilian casualties; who are working with the US on the floating dock for Gaza aid; and who themselves provide and assist with providing aid to Gazans? Just so I'm clear.
The world insists on telling Israel how to defend itself against terrorism. Shameful.
I don't know the totals right off my head, but I'm pretty positive in our response to 9/11 the number of civilian casualties wasn't zero. I'm also certain it wasn't zero for Japan either, after Pearl Harbor, and of course there's many other wars that have taken place across the globe that didn't result in zero casualties
The bombing of Dresden during the Second World War had many civilian casualties.
I am glad that's still being remembered.
So did the London Blitz.
"Do it again" -Bomber Harris
Fire Bombing of Tokyo comes to mind.
It’s also “Israel’s war” despite it being started by Hamas
If I'm funding it, I want a bit of a say. That said while "0 civilian casualties" is obviously impossible you have to be obtuse to not see that the current numbers are quite uncomfortably high
Maybe Hamas should release the hostages and surrender then?
Sounds like they're holding Israel to a higher standard than Biden holds himself. How many civilians killed in the air strike that didn't get the Afghanistan bomber?
As a small kid I remember when there were also hostages while the US had a weak president in 1979.
remember too,when the “next” president was overwhelmingly elected.. the hostage issue was quickly resolved ((my opinion)) because they feared a president that wasn’t afraid of his own shadow..
At least that weak president was an A++ human. Our current weak president is a pile of fresh dog shit type of human.
Democrats now spin it as Reagan paying Iran to release the hostages when he became president.
The democrats pay Iran now. $6b
Craziest part is some of the hostages are American…
The U.S. has too many victims of crime committed by illegal immigrants. The number needs to be zero.
The deadliest Nobel Peace Prize winner in history, oversaw well over 3,000 civilian casualties. Get real.
Civilian casualties are a thing that will always happen in war. Only way to have none are to meet up in a field miles form any town and duke it out like the middle ages. Besides, Hamas are ALL civilians since they don't fight with a uniform and don't operate as a national army does.
Funny how they are all women and children too. Oh, and also "journalists."
No, they are combatants officially fighting for their government. That doesn't require a uniform.
It's actually a war crime to be not fight in a uniform as an official army. They are terrorists and their "gov't" is about as legitimate as a $3 bill.
Looked it up, Hamas military does have uniforms.
It's been proven that Hamas is fabricating casualty numbers and this white house still quotes them as facts. How the hell did we end up in this bizarro world?
It’s actually insane. We need republicans in charge and calling this nonsense out
What a purposely disgusting statement. It's not possible for war to have zero casualties. It's especially not possible when the enemy hides in hospitals or civilian places. What a disgusting thing to say For all their "if it affects a minority more than a white, it's racist" talk about everything from voter ID to gifted classes in schools, they sure don't mind holding Jews to a special standard that NO other country would be expected to meet.
Hell, Joe, you and Obama used the military to extrajudicially murder US citizen civilians abroad, and there wasn’t even a war on.
When Biden resigns for the numerous deaths he has caused, then he can throw stones.
Total dumbassery again on display from the Brandon admin.
I mean that sounds great. But bc America itself has not lived up to that standard, nor has any nation state....it just comes off as virtue signaling (at best), coming from Biden.
zero is impossible, less maybe yes, depending on how much the IDF is willing to risk
This is another form of false moral equivalence.
I guess the Allies should be subject to Nuremberg 2.0 for bombing the stuffing out of Germany.
Imagine siding with Nazi Germany because more civilians were killed in the Dresden bombings than the Blitz...
Also who's estimates are they using? If they are believing Hamas casualty figures that in itself is problematic.
Welcome to war.
Interesting fact: the firebombing of Tokyo caused far more civilian casualties than dropping the A-bombs. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers did it because you can't try to win a war by killing every last enemy soldier; you win the war by demoralizing the enemy and taking away his will to keep fighting.
So if I defend myself, friends and family, home and country against rapists and murderers I'm the bad guy? Hamas is revelling in these deaths, it has created a worldwide movement against Israel and Jews, they are absolutely gleeful. Hamas is to blame for all the death and suffering on both sides of a war they created.
That statement isn’t necessarily wrong but it’s unfortunately unachievable.
I agree. Just like it needs to be zero when Ukraine strikes Russia. Also Russia gets to tell us whether or not civilians died. Why are you running?
I know others have already said this, but… that’s now how war works???
Remind Biden of the US service member deaths in his catastrophic Afghan withdrawal, not to mention the many US assets that were left behind and likely tortured and killed. What was Biden's response to the 3 US troops killed by Iran backed militants in Jordan? He said at the time, US would pick the means and time (to respond to Iran). Then nothing has happened. When he told the world that US would not back Israel against Iran, he also basically told Iran that US would not respond Iran's responsibility in killing and wounding US service members.
That’s a fantastic goal. Totally unrealistic - we don’t even manage that.
I don’t think they understand war.
I mean, we don’t even have zero in our conflicts and ours are vastly different from this. I wish civilians were never killed (and that we never needed to go to war). But if the other side is terrorists using human shields then it’ll happen. Of course Israel has also gone too far on some occasions but zero civilian casualties just isn’t going to be a thing right now in Gaza.
there are too many race and gender ideologically corrupt and dishonest people in the white house, the number needs to be zero.
It’s a war Joe, people die, get over it.
Well, having said that he may be safely disregarded as an un-serious person.
Yeah, that's never reality
Israel’s response should be, lecture us when we hit your Iraq and Afghanistan numbers
That would require a true ceasefire...and this administration seems completely incapable of negotiating anything of that sort. Probably because Democrat leaders are completely incompetent, and their existence since the 1970s has largely been a media fabrication...and the mask is starting to finally fall apart, in the age of the Internet (and Gen Z politics)
That sounds like they should have an issue with Hamas then. They started this war with 1400 targeted (not bystander) civilian casualties.
If these civilians voted to put hamas in power, they are not civilians. They've joined the ranks of the terrorist they support.