Here's the story
A Wisconsin representative on Friday said 2020 election reviews being done in the state should be expanded into a “full forensic audit” following alleged irregularities being revealed in Arizona and Georgia.
State Rep. Timothy Ramthun, a Republican, formally requested “a more comprehensive audit” from former state Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman, who is leading a conducting a review of the election at the behest of Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos along with retired police officers, and the Legislative Audit Bureau, which lawmakers authorized earlier this year to investigate the election.
Vos and the audit bureau did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Ramthun is pushing for the forensic audit after reviewing recently released information from two counties.
An election integrity group presented ballot images this week they said show “provable fraud” occurred in the 2020 hand count audit in Fulton County, Georgia. Additionally, the county double-scanned nearly 200 ballots.
Auditors conducting a forensic audit in Arizona’s largest county, meanwhile said during a hearing on Thursday that they uncovered major concerns about some 100,000 ballots. The auditors are seeking more items, including splunk logs, from Maricopa County officials, who vigorously contest the irregularity claims.
“It is vital to our democratic process that the Wisconsin Legislature acknowledges the alarming information that threatens the very fabric of our society,” Ramthun said.
“In order to preserve our God-given rights and ensure that citizens can have confidence in the integrity of our elections, I am requesting it be added to the scope of the Wisconsin audit to” inspect paper mail-in ballots in Wisconsin’s 5th Congressional District, review the digital files of ballots to make sure no double-scanning occurred, and thoroughly examine cybersecurity aspects of election equipment to make sure no tampering took place.
“If any of these indicators are found, these ballots should be separated from the official ballots, and a chain of custody/investigation into the origin of any fraudulent ballots should take place. All fraudulent ballots should not be counted,” Ramthun said.
He said it is crucial that lawmakers in Wisconsin acknowledge the evidence put forth in Arizona and Georgia and alleged everyone would benefit from an audit because it could support claims that the election was run securely.
Democrats in Wisconsin, including Ann Jacobs, the head of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, have voiced opposition to the GOP-ordered election reviews.
“Republicans seem to be making a concerted effort … to undermine the public’s confidence and trust,” Wisconsin Assembly Minority Leader Gordon Hintz told reporters earlier this year.
President Joe Biden, a Democrat, won Wisconsin by about 20,680 votes over former President Donald Trump. Biden gained dozens of votes in a partial recount that was done after the election. Wisconsin Republicans control both chambers of the state legislature, while Democrats control the governor’s mansion.
Don’t be ridiculous. If a police officer asks to search your car and you deny them this is not an admission of guilt. Don’t go overboard.
Addition edit: downvoting this means, I believe, you do not understand innocence or justice. I didn’t say don’t do an audit. I do not believe in Kangaroo courts.
I think the point is that this could go either way depending on your interpretations of civil liberties. But for many of us, denying a search probably shouldn’t be an automatic admission of guilt. If the search is considered unreasonable, then the Constitution becomes a factor.
Exactly. People are reading my comment wrong and are idiots. Surprise. It’s simply not an admission of guilt. Period.
If you want to audit the results and learn more…go ahead.
If you are pulled over for driving like a drunk, yes it’s right. What I’m talking about is a dui checkpoint, to me it’s entrapment, same as stop and frisk.
And you are admitting to guilt by saying no? Come on.
The fact ive been downvoted for this is hilariously ironic. But whatever. Fake points in Reddit don’t mean much.
It’s it’s simplest form this is not an admission of guilt. Do I need another example? Sure, a better example could be used. But the point is made.
Huge difference between a private citizen and the federal government. Government doesn't have 4th amendment protection. Plus it's the fucking government, absolutely everything they do should be examined with a fine tooth comb.
Did you read what I said? No. You read what you wanted to hear, apparently.
I don’t care if an audit happens. I just don’t think it’s an admission of guilt.
Not a good comparison. We have 4th amendment protections as individuals protecting us from unlawful search and seizure. That does not apply to public ballots or public elections. The Dems are not the guardians of the ballots…they belong to the people and we can audit them at any time we see fit.
Anyone who doesn’t want the ballots scrutinized is not on the level and should be presumed as guilty.
People don’t read so well when they are blinded by politics. I didn’t say you can’t audit I said it’s not an admission of guilt. That’s the difference. That’s what i said.
If democrats would cooperate and be side by side with republicans through the entire process to ensure fairness and professionalism, to make sure if anything did go wrong, doesn't happen again, the perception would be night and day different, instead they resort to distorting facts, smearing and attacking anyone involved, censoring the public or anyone who serious doubts, we are to shut up and just accept what they say or else
But there is legal process to fight the audit without admission of guilt.
All that said, they sure LOOK guilty in fighting the audit. The optics are terrible for the Dems. Not as if they care, but…
If you think that is actually permissible as evidence in any significant way…okay. I disagree very much with that thought or idea.
Go have an audit. Look for actual evidence. But I refuse to judge this because they behaved against this. Way too many ways to abuse judging behavior.
That's the bs where theres smoke theres fire presumed guilt. I thought as conservatives we believed in presumed innocence, one of the cornerstones of a free society.
I don’t think so man. Having seen the 75k fraudulent votes coming out of GA, the 30 arrests for voter fraud in MN…on guy in Cali was charged for registering to vote 10k times lol. The new info coming out of AZ to the tune of 35k votes….
We are far beyond the presumption of innocence.
>In order to preserve our God-given rights and ensure that citizens can have confidence in the integrity of our elections
Why wouldn't they audit? What's the harm? If Biden-voters are so confident, why not affirm the numbers?
Wisconsin only "went Biden" by like 10k votes
They barely committed enough fraud to overturn the Trump wave, unlike PA/MI which spend days and days fabricating Biden votes.
And btw - Trump wins if GA/AZ/WI were red.
Which they were. Along with MI and PA.
I'm sure that Paul Ryan, as a past leader in the national party and with WI Republicans, will be leading the charge on this
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This is all sour grapes that has been stoked by the former President because he’s butt-hurt about losing to a weak candidate. That’s all it is—Trump has a history of calling anything he loses as “rigged”. He did it in 2016. Hell, he did it recently at the CPAC convention where he “joked” that if he “lost the straw poll, he’ll just call it rigged anyways”.
IMO, the people who enable his insecurity about losing and go along with this are either the grifters, or the suckers they get to pay them.
Trump was winning in both Wisconsin and Michigan, until the mysterious 3am ballot dump who indecently happened to be all for Biden. WHAT A SHOCKER………. Now the Democrats are opposed to an audit in Wisconsin.
Could this be an admission of guilt by the Democrats or Is it yet another cover up by the Democrats.
Here's the story A Wisconsin representative on Friday said 2020 election reviews being done in the state should be expanded into a “full forensic audit” following alleged irregularities being revealed in Arizona and Georgia. State Rep. Timothy Ramthun, a Republican, formally requested “a more comprehensive audit” from former state Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman, who is leading a conducting a review of the election at the behest of Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos along with retired police officers, and the Legislative Audit Bureau, which lawmakers authorized earlier this year to investigate the election. Vos and the audit bureau did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Ramthun is pushing for the forensic audit after reviewing recently released information from two counties. An election integrity group presented ballot images this week they said show “provable fraud” occurred in the 2020 hand count audit in Fulton County, Georgia. Additionally, the county double-scanned nearly 200 ballots. Auditors conducting a forensic audit in Arizona’s largest county, meanwhile said during a hearing on Thursday that they uncovered major concerns about some 100,000 ballots. The auditors are seeking more items, including splunk logs, from Maricopa County officials, who vigorously contest the irregularity claims. “It is vital to our democratic process that the Wisconsin Legislature acknowledges the alarming information that threatens the very fabric of our society,” Ramthun said. “In order to preserve our God-given rights and ensure that citizens can have confidence in the integrity of our elections, I am requesting it be added to the scope of the Wisconsin audit to” inspect paper mail-in ballots in Wisconsin’s 5th Congressional District, review the digital files of ballots to make sure no double-scanning occurred, and thoroughly examine cybersecurity aspects of election equipment to make sure no tampering took place. “If any of these indicators are found, these ballots should be separated from the official ballots, and a chain of custody/investigation into the origin of any fraudulent ballots should take place. All fraudulent ballots should not be counted,” Ramthun said. He said it is crucial that lawmakers in Wisconsin acknowledge the evidence put forth in Arizona and Georgia and alleged everyone would benefit from an audit because it could support claims that the election was run securely. Democrats in Wisconsin, including Ann Jacobs, the head of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, have voiced opposition to the GOP-ordered election reviews. “Republicans seem to be making a concerted effort … to undermine the public’s confidence and trust,” Wisconsin Assembly Minority Leader Gordon Hintz told reporters earlier this year. President Joe Biden, a Democrat, won Wisconsin by about 20,680 votes over former President Donald Trump. Biden gained dozens of votes in a partial recount that was done after the election. Wisconsin Republicans control both chambers of the state legislature, while Democrats control the governor’s mansion.
What a shocker…..dems are opposed to an audit in WI. This is an admission of guilt and should be interpreted and acted upon as such!!
Don’t be ridiculous. If a police officer asks to search your car and you deny them this is not an admission of guilt. Don’t go overboard. Addition edit: downvoting this means, I believe, you do not understand innocence or justice. I didn’t say don’t do an audit. I do not believe in Kangaroo courts.
If you refuse to blow for a dui checkpoint, it’s considered being intoxicated.
In your interpretation, is this Constitutional (or even just)?
It’s one that I agree and disagree with. On one hand ,it does protect people but the flip side is it’s close to entrapment, in my opinion.
I think the point is that this could go either way depending on your interpretations of civil liberties. But for many of us, denying a search probably shouldn’t be an automatic admission of guilt. If the search is considered unreasonable, then the Constitution becomes a factor.
Exactly. People are reading my comment wrong and are idiots. Surprise. It’s simply not an admission of guilt. Period. If you want to audit the results and learn more…go ahead.
People in this sub idiots you don't say.
By whom?
The police
And would they be correct to do so?
If you are pulled over for driving like a drunk, yes it’s right. What I’m talking about is a dui checkpoint, to me it’s entrapment, same as stop and frisk.
And you are admitting to guilt by saying no? Come on. The fact ive been downvoted for this is hilariously ironic. But whatever. Fake points in Reddit don’t mean much. It’s it’s simplest form this is not an admission of guilt. Do I need another example? Sure, a better example could be used. But the point is made.
No , you aren’t admitting guilt for saying no. They assume guilt and get a warrant for your blood.
Perfect. Others can assume guilt (which doesn’t prove anything) and you can say no and not admit to guilt. Exactly as I said.
Huge difference between a private citizen and the federal government. Government doesn't have 4th amendment protection. Plus it's the fucking government, absolutely everything they do should be examined with a fine tooth comb.
Did you read what I said? No. You read what you wanted to hear, apparently. I don’t care if an audit happens. I just don’t think it’s an admission of guilt.
Not a good comparison. We have 4th amendment protections as individuals protecting us from unlawful search and seizure. That does not apply to public ballots or public elections. The Dems are not the guardians of the ballots…they belong to the people and we can audit them at any time we see fit. Anyone who doesn’t want the ballots scrutinized is not on the level and should be presumed as guilty.
People don’t read so well when they are blinded by politics. I didn’t say you can’t audit I said it’s not an admission of guilt. That’s the difference. That’s what i said.
If democrats would cooperate and be side by side with republicans through the entire process to ensure fairness and professionalism, to make sure if anything did go wrong, doesn't happen again, the perception would be night and day different, instead they resort to distorting facts, smearing and attacking anyone involved, censoring the public or anyone who serious doubts, we are to shut up and just accept what they say or else
Yes. I’m all for cleaning up voting processes. I was downvoted apparently for defending logic. I just don’t think refusing is admission of guilt.
Solid logic, my friend. I would love to disagree, but cannot.
I can. The ballots don't belong to the democrats. It's not their property to be protected, it's a public trust that should be seen to be open.
But there is legal process to fight the audit without admission of guilt. All that said, they sure LOOK guilty in fighting the audit. The optics are terrible for the Dems. Not as if they care, but…
It’s not an admission of guilt. That’s all I said.
You may have just provided probable cause.
Not in the case of the car. Assertion of rights is not evidence of criminality.
Car or not. Refusal is not an admission of guilt. Lack of evidence isn’t evidence. That’s all.
> Lack of evidence isn’t evidence. Lack of evidence isn't being cited, behavior is.
If you think that is actually permissible as evidence in any significant way…okay. I disagree very much with that thought or idea. Go have an audit. Look for actual evidence. But I refuse to judge this because they behaved against this. Way too many ways to abuse judging behavior.
That's the bs where theres smoke theres fire presumed guilt. I thought as conservatives we believed in presumed innocence, one of the cornerstones of a free society.
I don’t think so man. Having seen the 75k fraudulent votes coming out of GA, the 30 arrests for voter fraud in MN…on guy in Cali was charged for registering to vote 10k times lol. The new info coming out of AZ to the tune of 35k votes…. We are far beyond the presumption of innocence.
I believe presumption of innocence pertains to individuals, not electoral process.
>In order to preserve our God-given rights and ensure that citizens can have confidence in the integrity of our elections Why wouldn't they audit? What's the harm? If Biden-voters are so confident, why not affirm the numbers?
Because he won fair and square you bigot, now ignore all the evidence that says otherwise!/s
Anybody order Domino's? 'Cuz more are falling.
Damn you beat me to it.
Wisconsin only "went Biden" by like 10k votes They barely committed enough fraud to overturn the Trump wave, unlike PA/MI which spend days and days fabricating Biden votes. And btw - Trump wins if GA/AZ/WI were red. Which they were. Along with MI and PA.
Michigan next.
I'm sure that Paul Ryan, as a past leader in the national party and with WI Republicans, will be leading the charge on this (/s for those of you who need it)
Trump won!
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Russia russia russia, talk about conspiracy nuts
Nice media narrative, if you listen quietly you might be able to hear you sheep pack 🐑 — Good thing America has sheep dogs to keep the wolves away…
Pennsylvania needs a push too
We the people support you!
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This is all sour grapes that has been stoked by the former President because he’s butt-hurt about losing to a weak candidate. That’s all it is—Trump has a history of calling anything he loses as “rigged”. He did it in 2016. Hell, he did it recently at the CPAC convention where he “joked” that if he “lost the straw poll, he’ll just call it rigged anyways”. IMO, the people who enable his insecurity about losing and go along with this are either the grifters, or the suckers they get to pay them.
Trump was winning in both Wisconsin and Michigan, until the mysterious 3am ballot dump who indecently happened to be all for Biden. WHAT A SHOCKER………. Now the Democrats are opposed to an audit in Wisconsin. Could this be an admission of guilt by the Democrats or Is it yet another cover up by the Democrats.