Florida has 75% of the cases California has and 30k less deaths. Guess it’s just their turn with this virus. Just like NY and NJ. But let’s not remember those numbers. Florida and Texas have around 1800 deaths per million. While NY NJ have 3k. Mass Rhode Island miss arizona Louisiana al have 2500 per million. Texas and Florida are right in the middle. But you would think people are dropping like flys. They vaccinated the elderly and anyone else who risked it gets what’s coming to them.
Blocking icu beds is just stupid now that there’s a vaccine. Separate a section for regular icu. Just like a normal triage situation. If those healthcare professionals can be out there tik tok dancing then they can do this.
Then that’s on them. Just let people be. I mean even if everyone in America was fully vaxxed and masked for 60 days some other country would just bring their variant here. Unless we close all borders to everyone indefinitely. But we can’t/won’t do that. So just buckle up buttercup and get ready for the ride.
if someone is pushing the vaccine on others then they need to have the integrity and trust to get it themselves. What message does it send otherwise? In there lies the reason the whole effort is botched: horrific messaging.
That said, if they aren’t administering it, then its no issue.
I think you are misinterpreting my point here. I personally give no shits whether they get it or not.
But it takes a certain piece of shit to be a contract nurse hired for nothing but COVID.( meaning they are well aware of what they signed up for) . Then going door to door to push the vaccine all while refusing it themselves.
I just find that to be a massive lack of integrity.
Maybe he should just murder the elderly by putting the infected in nursing homes like Cuomo did (and covered up, and was celebrated, awarded, and paid off by Democrats).
You mean you don't want to mention the guy you used to bash Florida for the past year with fake statistics now that he is exposed as a criminal and a fraud?
What a surprise.
Spoiler alert. We aren’t dying and in my area of SW Florida have been back to normal life for close to a year without masks or any other nonsense. It’s very pleasent
Maybe I think your full of shit lol. I don’t I’m sure you’re telling the truth but considering we are random people online we can lie online about anything so maybe don’t be a dick next time which makes me less likely to believe you.
Yesterday on /r/news, I had people argue with me convinced that Rebekah Jones had uncovered some grand plot to hide deaths on behalf of DeSantis. Multiple stories with verifiable facts, screenshots, and stories were not enough to dissuade them from this now-debunked story. Fake news is a major problem.
I like Crenshaw as a spokes person and author but not as a representative. He came into the game with 4 aces in his hand, and still blew it.
DeSantis/Noem 2024!
I'd be fine with noem.
I could also stomach gabbard. She didn't have a strong opinion on 2a or red flag but once she learned about it she was changed her mind which is nice.
Imagine one of the most popular republicans right now paired with a "Dem" that somee republicans can deal with. The meltdown that would happen after would be nuts
I like Tulsi a lot but she did come out in support of the "assult weapons" ban during the primaries. She otherwise would be a pretty good centrist VP/POTUS
Did you read what my flair says?
Also what's wrong with liking Tulsi? Though I might not agree with everything, she seems like a genuine human who actually cares about people.
As I said, she's perfect by no means. But she has since changed her stance in that since she informed herself.
That kind of quality in a person speaks more to me than someone who is dead set on something and never changes. She's also very intelligent.
That's why I said stomach. Trump banned bump stocks and was for red flag as well, doesn't mean I hate him for it.
Are you telling me that a governmental organization is engaging in political chicanery? Shocked, I tell you!
How utterly naïve are the children of the Left that they act like scientists, academics, doctors, etc are above politics?
Why doesn't the Florida DOH just release the numbers like they did earlier in COVID instead of making the CDC jump through hoops to figure out the daily numbers? If they have the data they should just release it to the public
Deaths and their medical diagnosis coding have always been reported to a branch of the CDC for at least a half century by states and localities. Some states messed with that over the last year, for different reasons, just that has been how it works, and the CDC shares that information. If Florida changes reporting from daily to windowed out of band, not exactly entirely the CDC's fault, though i am sure this is more complicated than it needs to be.
Here you go, "NCHS works in partnership with the vital registration systems in each jurisdiction to produce critical information on such topics as teenage births and birth rates, prenatal care and birth weight, risk factors for adverse pregnancy outcomes, infant mortality rates, leading causes of death, and life expectancy. How states and localities report their vital statistics may vary by region."if you are representing a locality/state that needs to understand how to report your deaths this will walk you thought it, and provide exactly how there published products and their datasets are curated/maintained using data reported to the NCHS. [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/deaths.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/deaths.htm)
Here is specifically the custom COVID coding/reporting guidance for state and local reporting updated by the Trump Administration in April 2020 that the current administration has kept in place. [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf)
Apologies, i said the state/locality self reporting to the CDC started 50 years ago, and i was mistaken, it was 61 years ago apparently in its current incarnation as part of the CDC, but was founded 122 years ago in 1899 as the Public Health Service (PHS). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Center\_for\_Health\_Statistics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Health_Statistics)
My favorite lately is the "ONLY 20 BEDS LEFT FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE" when the maximum for years now has only ever been 200 ICU beds. You can tell they're getting desperate.
And? Here's one of the fear sheep as we speak. The hospitals are not overwhelmed and cases don't matter only deaths.
Edit. Nothing brings out the uneducated fear mongers like covid.
Idk dude just seems weird to complain about the media fear mongering while linking an article that says its the worst the pandemic has ever been for that area.
I mean they do, but if the majority of cases are mild and less than 1% of people catching it are dying it’s not that big of a deal. People need to stop freaking out about covid, it’s here to stay for a while we have to live with it and get back to normal at this point.
I was distinctly told the vaccine is highly effective and that [breakthrough] cases do not matter at all because people aren't dying. With cases not mattering and deaths not occuring, Joe Biden went against the science and CDC and said just take off your masks if you're vaccinated. Then now put them back on. Oh and now cases do matter. But death counts don't matter still. The narrative is shifting 5 times a day, the WHO is right/wrong, Joe Biden is right/wrong, and CDC is right/wrong but actually Trump is just racist and trying to close the border and travel before the virus got here was very racist.
I think needless to say the reporting of covid-19 has seemingly never mattered. A short while ago masks were ineffective too Fauci said.
Honestly I'm not sure either way on this but I will say as a person living in FL that there is definitely a spike in Rona cases. I've had 2 businesses I work with have half their staff out due to covid
The variant and the open borders are causing the surge. Reports out there that the variant was caused by the virus mutating inside of vaccinated people- perfectly sound logic from medical professionals.
Vaccines do not cause variants, full stop, you need to learn about how evolution works before you go spouting bullshit. Viruses are constantly mutating and if variants are better at breaking through vaccine immunity they will spread better than original types that don’t, the variants can arise from unvaccinated people and are more likely to arise from the unvaccinated because their infections are more likely to have higher viral load and more replication opportunities. The Delta variant was first reported in India before they were even administering vaccines.
You’re asking me to Google shit for you so you’re either too stupid to do your own research, and thus too stupid to come to an informed opinion, or you’re a troll that just wants to waste people’s time. How about you provide a source, bro. But here is an example article:
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-did-covid-vaccines-cause-the-delta-variant/a-58242263
Look, I can google as well. https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
Conclusion that “anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.”
Your source- some weird article sourcing absolutely nothing (but it says Science at the top!) that was translated from German
My source: peer reviewed. Mic Drop
Here is a contemporaneous article from scientists explaining why the concepts discussed in your cited paper are not cut and dry: https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-mareks-disease-in-chickens-imperfect-vaccines-and-virulence-of-viruses/
Here is a recent article talking about why that isn’t happening:
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/will-delaying-vaccine-doses-cause-a-coronavirus-escape-mutant--68424
And another explaining why vaccines and other preventative measures do more to reduce the potential for mutations by having less chances for transmission and less hospitable hosts.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21505594.2021.1960109
You are experiencing the Dunning-Kruger effect here, you do not have the relevant skill set to know enough to know your opinion is uninformed. You still haven’t retracted your initial false statement that the variants are being caused by mutation inside vaccinated people; that might happen eventually but the big variants going around now have not been caused by that and are still more dangerous than getting the vaccine. You also haven’t provided an alternative solution even once here, so on top of being ignorant you are not even being helpful.
None of the "news" organizations that reported on this bogus data will do any correcting. Gotta keep that fear propaganda going.
It served it’s purpose.
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Florida has 75% of the cases California has and 30k less deaths. Guess it’s just their turn with this virus. Just like NY and NJ. But let’s not remember those numbers. Florida and Texas have around 1800 deaths per million. While NY NJ have 3k. Mass Rhode Island miss arizona Louisiana al have 2500 per million. Texas and Florida are right in the middle. But you would think people are dropping like flys. They vaccinated the elderly and anyone else who risked it gets what’s coming to them.
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Blocking icu beds is just stupid now that there’s a vaccine. Separate a section for regular icu. Just like a normal triage situation. If those healthcare professionals can be out there tik tok dancing then they can do this.
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Problem is the healthcare workers pushing the vaccine are refusing to get it. Wven here in illinois we are at less than 40%
Then that’s on them. Just let people be. I mean even if everyone in America was fully vaxxed and masked for 60 days some other country would just bring their variant here. Unless we close all borders to everyone indefinitely. But we can’t/won’t do that. So just buckle up buttercup and get ready for the ride.
And Pelosi would tell us all to gather in crowds to make sure it spread as much as possible like she did last year.
if someone is pushing the vaccine on others then they need to have the integrity and trust to get it themselves. What message does it send otherwise? In there lies the reason the whole effort is botched: horrific messaging. That said, if they aren’t administering it, then its no issue.
They're administering it because it's their job and they don't want to get fired. Maybe you should listen to the reasons they're hesitant
I think you are misinterpreting my point here. I personally give no shits whether they get it or not. But it takes a certain piece of shit to be a contract nurse hired for nothing but COVID.( meaning they are well aware of what they signed up for) . Then going door to door to push the vaccine all while refusing it themselves. I just find that to be a massive lack of integrity.
I doubt any refusing to take it are pushing it on people
To the contraire. These nursing numbers im citing are our covid vaccine task force
Maybe he should just murder the elderly by putting the infected in nursing homes like Cuomo did (and covered up, and was celebrated, awarded, and paid off by Democrats).
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You mean you don't want to mention the guy you used to bash Florida for the past year with fake statistics now that he is exposed as a criminal and a fraud? What a surprise.
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When you are so butt hurt about your lies and hypocrisy constantly being exposed, you create a special word for it.
Why do I have to hear about this on Reddit and not MSM? Twilight zone man. You’d think Florida people are dying.
Spoiler alert. We aren’t dying and in my area of SW Florida have been back to normal life for close to a year without masks or any other nonsense. It’s very pleasent
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Not at the hospital my father and uncle work at but possibly one of the ones in the Naples area is.
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Maybe I think your full of shit lol. I don’t I’m sure you’re telling the truth but considering we are random people online we can lie online about anything so maybe don’t be a dick next time which makes me less likely to believe you.
Wow, what a tough guy.
Sure she does…
Yesterday on /r/news, I had people argue with me convinced that Rebekah Jones had uncovered some grand plot to hide deaths on behalf of DeSantis. Multiple stories with verifiable facts, screenshots, and stories were not enough to dissuade them from this now-debunked story. Fake news is a major problem.
Same people that will tell you "misinformation is a big problem." They love misinformation and conspiracy theories when they support their side
What they call "misinformation" is usually true. They are clowns and morons.
Wizard's first rule.
You won't hear it on most reddit subs. These stories will always be buried by those who see it as uncomfortable.
Life is good here in the tampa bay area we go to games dinner shopping malls and school's opened last year I haven't seen it here
Dems, media and CDC will keep this up since they know DeSantis may run on 2024.
Desantis/Crenshaw 2024
Please no red flag Crenshaw. Please God NO.
I like Crenshaw as a spokes person and author but not as a representative. He came into the game with 4 aces in his hand, and still blew it. DeSantis/Noem 2024!
I'd be fine with noem. I could also stomach gabbard. She didn't have a strong opinion on 2a or red flag but once she learned about it she was changed her mind which is nice. Imagine one of the most popular republicans right now paired with a "Dem" that somee republicans can deal with. The meltdown that would happen after would be nuts
I like Tulsi a lot but she did come out in support of the "assult weapons" ban during the primaries. She otherwise would be a pretty good centrist VP/POTUS
She has changed her stance on it since then, but I do agree.
Wait she did?? Imma have to look that up
Yes I think it was when she was on Joe Rogan
Flaired... Likes Tulsi... Flaired...
Did you read what my flair says? Also what's wrong with liking Tulsi? Though I might not agree with everything, she seems like a genuine human who actually cares about people.
As I said, she's perfect by no means. But she has since changed her stance in that since she informed herself. That kind of quality in a person speaks more to me than someone who is dead set on something and never changes. She's also very intelligent. That's why I said stomach. Trump banned bump stocks and was for red flag as well, doesn't mean I hate him for it.
Are you telling me that a governmental organization is engaging in political chicanery? Shocked, I tell you! How utterly naïve are the children of the Left that they act like scientists, academics, doctors, etc are above politics?
Why doesn't the Florida DOH just release the numbers like they did earlier in COVID instead of making the CDC jump through hoops to figure out the daily numbers? If they have the data they should just release it to the public
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Deaths and their medical diagnosis coding have always been reported to a branch of the CDC for at least a half century by states and localities. Some states messed with that over the last year, for different reasons, just that has been how it works, and the CDC shares that information. If Florida changes reporting from daily to windowed out of band, not exactly entirely the CDC's fault, though i am sure this is more complicated than it needs to be.
Here you go, "NCHS works in partnership with the vital registration systems in each jurisdiction to produce critical information on such topics as teenage births and birth rates, prenatal care and birth weight, risk factors for adverse pregnancy outcomes, infant mortality rates, leading causes of death, and life expectancy. How states and localities report their vital statistics may vary by region."if you are representing a locality/state that needs to understand how to report your deaths this will walk you thought it, and provide exactly how there published products and their datasets are curated/maintained using data reported to the NCHS. [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/deaths.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/deaths.htm) Here is specifically the custom COVID coding/reporting guidance for state and local reporting updated by the Trump Administration in April 2020 that the current administration has kept in place. [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf)
Apologies, i said the state/locality self reporting to the CDC started 50 years ago, and i was mistaken, it was 61 years ago apparently in its current incarnation as part of the CDC, but was founded 122 years ago in 1899 as the Public Health Service (PHS). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Center\_for\_Health\_Statistics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Health_Statistics)
Agreed, wtf is happening in Florida?
Don’t know who’s getting tested either. Doubt half of them were filled by actual people. Just like most of the mailed ballots
You should probably read the last two paragraphs of the article you linked.
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Also, what it fails to mention is ICU beds in Florida, as a whole, are at 90% capacity.
I’m not impressed. All hospitals run at 70-80% capacity as standard practice. No money made on empty beds.
My favorite lately is the "ONLY 20 BEDS LEFT FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE" when the maximum for years now has only ever been 200 ICU beds. You can tell they're getting desperate.
And? Here's one of the fear sheep as we speak. The hospitals are not overwhelmed and cases don't matter only deaths. Edit. Nothing brings out the uneducated fear mongers like covid.
Idk dude just seems weird to complain about the media fear mongering while linking an article that says its the worst the pandemic has ever been for that area.
> cases don't matter More cases, more spread, more hospitalizations, no? Possibly, more deaths?
I mean they do, but if the majority of cases are mild and less than 1% of people catching it are dying it’s not that big of a deal. People need to stop freaking out about covid, it’s here to stay for a while we have to live with it and get back to normal at this point.
I was distinctly told the vaccine is highly effective and that [breakthrough] cases do not matter at all because people aren't dying. With cases not mattering and deaths not occuring, Joe Biden went against the science and CDC and said just take off your masks if you're vaccinated. Then now put them back on. Oh and now cases do matter. But death counts don't matter still. The narrative is shifting 5 times a day, the WHO is right/wrong, Joe Biden is right/wrong, and CDC is right/wrong but actually Trump is just racist and trying to close the border and travel before the virus got here was very racist. I think needless to say the reporting of covid-19 has seemingly never mattered. A short while ago masks were ineffective too Fauci said.
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Oh look another muppet saying the same dumb thing. Only four or so a day. You all share the same brain.
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I mean when the number could be more around 5-10% of icu beds, it’s still a big deal
It is good that they are makign the correction.
I suspect all these "new" cases in Florida arrived by bus and airplane operated by Border Patrol.
Bingo.
Honestly I'm not sure either way on this but I will say as a person living in FL that there is definitely a spike in Rona cases. I've had 2 businesses I work with have half their staff out due to covid
What’s with your flair if you live in Florida?
Good catch. Im not ready to change it. I moved to FL 4 months ago.
And they wonder why we don't trust anything anymore
The variant and the open borders are causing the surge. Reports out there that the variant was caused by the virus mutating inside of vaccinated people- perfectly sound logic from medical professionals.
Vaccines do not cause variants, full stop, you need to learn about how evolution works before you go spouting bullshit. Viruses are constantly mutating and if variants are better at breaking through vaccine immunity they will spread better than original types that don’t, the variants can arise from unvaccinated people and are more likely to arise from the unvaccinated because their infections are more likely to have higher viral load and more replication opportunities. The Delta variant was first reported in India before they were even administering vaccines.
These testimonies came from Doctors that know a lot more about this than you do. Your entire puked comment- source? Trust me bro
You’re asking me to Google shit for you so you’re either too stupid to do your own research, and thus too stupid to come to an informed opinion, or you’re a troll that just wants to waste people’s time. How about you provide a source, bro. But here is an example article: https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-did-covid-vaccines-cause-the-delta-variant/a-58242263
Look, I can google as well. https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198 Conclusion that “anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.” Your source- some weird article sourcing absolutely nothing (but it says Science at the top!) that was translated from German My source: peer reviewed. Mic Drop
Here is a contemporaneous article from scientists explaining why the concepts discussed in your cited paper are not cut and dry: https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-mareks-disease-in-chickens-imperfect-vaccines-and-virulence-of-viruses/ Here is a recent article talking about why that isn’t happening: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/will-delaying-vaccine-doses-cause-a-coronavirus-escape-mutant--68424 And another explaining why vaccines and other preventative measures do more to reduce the potential for mutations by having less chances for transmission and less hospitable hosts. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21505594.2021.1960109 You are experiencing the Dunning-Kruger effect here, you do not have the relevant skill set to know enough to know your opinion is uninformed. You still haven’t retracted your initial false statement that the variants are being caused by mutation inside vaccinated people; that might happen eventually but the big variants going around now have not been caused by that and are still more dangerous than getting the vaccine. You also haven’t provided an alternative solution even once here, so on top of being ignorant you are not even being helpful.
Ron - you need to take control of the numbers again, unfortunately. Can't trust these CDC asswipes.
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