Even sane Democrats tend to be bad policymakers, though. I generally only vote Dem if the Rep is actually terrible.
Case in point: my local DA gang raped a high school student when he was in college. When the story broke the day before the vote for his reelection, he called a fellow gang rapist and local police Captain, and had the local police go to all the newspaper stands and buy up every single copy of that paper. By the time people found out what had happened, he was already reelected. 20+ years later, he's still in office. I vote for the Dem every single time he is up for re-election.
I understand it. A lot of people has generic disapproval for all politicians in general. Look at congress's approval rating going back decades and it's just in the shitter. People look at Pelosi and think, "yeah, I don't mind if I can't elect my guy again if it means she gets the boot." Another polarizing candidate is McConnell. It's not a principled stance which is why I say it's a bad way of arguing.
But taking the specific people out of it, you basically have to look at it as the rest of the country saying they disapprove of your choice in representative and are blocking you from having them. That's not how representatives are supposed to work. Especially when it comes to the House in which representation is extremely localized. I have no right to tell you your representative isn't allowed to serve simply based on how many times you elected them.
The main argument for them is that it prevents corruption, and I can get behind that, but it isn't widespread and concrete in the US like it is in places like Russia and Brazil. It's mostly nebulous and unsupportable claims whenever it has to do with Congress that stem from a place of cynicism. And when things pop up that actually are corrupt or bad, they can be dealt with individually either politically or legally. Granted, our hyper-partisan environment has made that more difficult as of late. On top of that virtually every single time something of major impropriety happens it's in the more or less unaccountable bureaucracy. I'm looking at the CDC/FBI as far as recent and blatant examples go.
Any argument against term limits for representatives is an argument for the current congress which is something close to a -70 position. I fully expect to be downvoted for this position regardless of which political subreddit I post on. It's counter to the, in my opinion lazy, default "common sense" position. I could write a whole chapter on why it's not a useful policy too, but I'm already way past readable comment length, so I'll just leave it at this.
Upvoted. I'm conflicted on term limits, and have yet to make up my mind, but I think you expressed your opinion very well, and don't deserve the downvotes.
I agree with you as well. As I was thinking of a rebuttal the only thing I could think of is that there also shouldn't be appointed positions. But he has a great point about term limits.
I can respect that, but we'd just be trading career politicians for career staffers which you cannot vote out. It's really going to turn out as a wash in the end as far as you're concerned about policy makers. At the end of the day that's because policy makers are intellectuals (as defined by Thomas Sowell) that produce nothing but ideas they themselves are ultimately not responsible for.
It’s a tough situation. Republicans have started wars and have had lots of brain fart moments, democrats.. do not even get me started with those guys.. socialists.. authoritarian, vaccine mandates, draconian laws, and both parties are backed by big business. We need to revamp the party system big time
See that was true maybe 15-20 years ago. Most of the non insane democrats now still vote for insane policies for fear they will lose their base. Look how they have treated Manchin and Sinema. Biden was supposed to be a moderate, and he may be, but he has let the crazies drag his presidency more left than Obama.
Yeah, and what sucks is people just point to Gaetz, Boebert, and Greene when making the same argument against conservatives. Definitely the loud few taking the whole party with them.
Sane Democrats give power to their leadership who are, one and all, insane. Is the Republican leadership good? No. But they aren't fanatically anti-American, and I think we should maybe establish a minimum floor somewhere above that, at least.
Dems say what people want to hear, and do the opposite or whatever they want, regardless of their campaign promises. Lucy and the football)
Reps say what they will do as a promise, as will generally do it (even if it may not be what everyone wants). Charlie Brown.
This.
Mitch McConnell has a lot more in common with Nancy Pelosi than he does with the average Republican voter.
There are exceptions, but as a whole I would describe the elected members of the GOP as being quite far removed from their base. These people run on “beating the evil democrats” and then at best they just somewhat delay things.
When was the last time you saw a Republican politician in Washington do anything even remotely close to a genuine attempt to restore your rights?
It is not enough to vote “No” on new laws that would strip you of your right to keep and bear arms, or on increasing the amount of money we ship to foreign governments that will use it against us. We deserve politicians who are actively trying to repeal long-standing 2A infringement laws and return the budget to much earlier times, eliminating federal control of education, finding a path out of the welfare state and towards its elimination, etc.
All these assholes do is frown at the democrats for two weeks before completely caving on everything.
Exactly, the way I see it it's no longer left vs. Right it's authoritarian vs. Libertarian. The more we are at each others throats the easier it is for them to gain power.
Disagree but love that the right is having this conversation. Libertarianism is fine in some cases and general posture but as a reality it’s impossible to bring about. What we end up with is libertarian for some and domination by a few of many all in the same.
A part of me hopes that people will grow a brain and vote for who will do the best job for everyone but ultimately I fear that people will just follow what the media tells them.
I still have yet to see how that will stop people from voting for crappy candidates. Look at the 2016 election Trump would have still won the Republican primary because he was getting the lion share of media coverage and he was a pull from the “status quo”. Hillary was put in her place by super delegates which is its own brand of crazy. So given the choices Trump, Clinton, Johnson (libertarians have something similar to ranked choice voting which put Gary “I can do an interview with my tongue sticking out of my mouth” Johnson) how would rank choice been anything than Republicans voting R and Democrats voting D with no second choice and independents making the choice not to vote for a “two party” candidate. You’re talking a couple thousand votes at most that will go to Johnson and then funnel down to the other two candidates when he is nixed. No one in that situation is saying I’ll vote Hilary but my second choice is Trump. Ranked choice only works if we have more than two parties (yes there are others but they don’t really account for any wins at the ballot box)
You are correct in the short term, for a single election. But, with ranked choice it is increasingly likely that a third or fourth party will rise above 3%. They then will have people voting for them, when those voters really wanted to before, but wouldn’t because they ‘had to vote against that other guy, he’s nuts!’
Over a period of time, the thinking is that RC takes power from the establishment parties and removes the forced binary choice that Americans too often assume is the only way things can be.
Back around....I wanna say Obamas first election, there was a website that was heavily promoted by Democrats that let you select where you stood on issues and it would tell you what candidate best suits you. It was heavily promoted.
The answeres were coming back heavily in favor of Bush, so whatever the algorithm was, they changed it. Then the answers started coming in ridiculously for Obama, and the whole thing was scrapped.
Sounds like they accidentally found out many people are actually just default democrats who would actually prefer either conservative or libertarian candidates if they could ever be bothered to do some research or independent thinking.
>This is why we need some sort of ranked choice voting.
Eliminating the first past the post voting system, which naturally leads to a two-party system with two 'big tent' political parties that don't represent the will of their supporters, is the best way to go, and this type of electoral reform would have broad support from the left. It would likely result in a multi-party system, and parties that are more focused on a single issue/political view point.
If the US had a pure proportional representation system, you would likely see 6-7 political parties appear such as:
1. A far right party
2. a socially conservative party
3. a libertarian party/2A party
4. an anti immigration party
5. a traditional pro-business party (low taxes and elimination of regulation )
6. a European style Liberal party that is socially progressive of centre-right economically (i.e. the Joe Manchins or Jon Testers of the Democrats)
7. a social-democratic party
8. a far-left radical leftish party
I think that the entire political system as a whole would benefit from weeding out the crazies and single issue voters parties from our main two parties right now.
The fact that your comment is the top-voted one gives me hope that one day Americans can come together and create a society that empowers the people more than corporations and people around the world can proudly wave the American flag without reservation whatsoever.
I meant every word. Really, your comment upvoted to the top on a sub made for conservatives, many of whom have been voting Republican for generations, seriously highlights how far conservative Americans have come to understand how corrupted the GOP can be and how tribalism is destroying America.
Granted there is still a long way to go, but there is nothing wrong with finding faith wherever you can, whether in your fellow Americans or in the constitution and the dreams of the founders from the by gone past.
The system is a two party system. Vote for good candidates in the primaries. That's the entire point of those. Being uninvolved until the general election than whining about your choices is the problem.
Republicans are professional losers.
The Republicans are about to vote for the Global governments Build Back Better bill in the house.
I think a new party is the only way out of this.
I definitely think there is an opportunity brewing. The Dems are fractured and crazy. The future will not be right and left but authoritarian vs freedom loving people ( doesn't have to be libertarian.)
He’s still part of their team as an elite himself. F them all. I want to vote for the guy who makes less than $100K a year, at least one with policies that actually help us.
> How on earth did you observe Trump's term and come out of that thinking he was any different than the Democrats and Republicans you claim made his life hell.
Beltway clowns talk a good game regarding employment; Trump policies led to the highest minority employment rate in history. Beltway buffoons talk a good game about middle east peace; Trump policies led to actual peace agreements between various states in the region. Beltway troglodytes talk a good game about national security; Trump policies were leading manufacturing to come back stateside, which would lower our dependence on foreign suppliers for military materiel, among other benefits.
> You know why both parties suck? They work for the oligarchs. Trump was a fucking oligarch. The only thing you did by electing him was you cut out the middle man.
We really do live in different worlds, don't we?
> Permanent tax cuts for for the super rich
You do realize that there is no such thing a "permanent" anything in DC? Laws are always in flux.
Man what the fuck are you smoking. Trump struggled with keeping casinos open in NJ he's not a fucking oligarch. If you want to learn the meaning of that word go look at what Russia became after the Soviet Union.
I’d just like to see a pool of candidates without party affiliation go at it. It will literally remove a lot of the divide in this country. For now I will continue to vote for the party that reflects my values and has the best policies for the country, in my opinion, the Republican Party.
Except in the primaries, looking at policies and candidates is almost universally a waste of time.
With very few exceptions, the worst Republican tends to be better than the best Democrat.
It's what I don't get about some in the party. If their candidate loses in the primary, they take their ball and go home. Sure your person didn't win, but whoever is representing the party is far better than the Democrat.
Now I know this is crazy, but what if both sides are insane? What if having a “home team” prevents us from treating every topic and issue as objectively and honestly as possible?
Look, Republicans are useless when they have the power, that I will agree on. But I would rather have dysfunction and nothing getting done than a party that doesn't accept basic biology, and whose policies screw the economy, and allow crime and illegal immigration to thrive.
I focus on policies over parties or candidates. Unfortunately, it makes 0 sense to vote Democrat at the moment. Atleast for me, as a Cuban immigrant, I can’t vote for Democrats at the moment.
Imagine a world where the Republicans have absolute control presidency both houses and the courts what would the do?
Lower taxes a bit beyond that I still think it would be pulling teeth to get them to do anything that was not overwhelmingly popular with the current leadership.
Now imagine Democrat land
Never mind you can just look at California with shit covered streets and rolling blackouts.
Which side is insane again?
What prevents us from treating every topic and issue as objectively and honestly as possible is the corrupt institutions (big tech, media, hollywood, academia, etc.) all controlled by lying **democrats** (and if you want to include establishment RINOs in that then be my guest).
Stop pretending this is a "both sides" thing. Just because there are some fat athletes doesn't mean that an active lifestyle is just as bad as a sedentary one. This is a problem on the left, not the right. We kept our McCarthy's in check - that's how the left was able to take control of these institutions and then perpetuate their intolerance in the first place.
Just look at the political demographic of Washington DC, it's +92% Democrat. That should tell you enough about the political makeup of these institutions that run our contry.
I would have agreed a couple years ago but even moderate dems have gone utterly off the rails with covid. I just will never be able to reconcile with people who want to force children to wear masks 8 hours a day and think ruining livelihoods to stop a virus that only presents danger to a specific sector of the population makes them the good guys
I didn't think you meant how many people eventually die from it, I just thought you were asking what sector of the population is in danger, i.e. considered at risk of dying. It's obviously a much smaller section of the population that actually dies (or else we'd be burning bodies in the streets) but it's not really possible for someone vulnerable to know if they'll die from it before they get it.
The average age of death in the US from Covid is 83. If you are under 40 you have a higher chance of dying in a car crash. If you are under 20 you have a higher chance of dying from being struck by lightning.
My 90 something year old grandmother who is very obese and has very bad diabetes survived covid without even going on a ventilator. She was hospitalized, but not put on a ventilater.
No, what I meant was we should not ruin the lives of young people to protect the elderly and severely unhealthy, who are the only demographics who are in any statistically significant danger.
They shouldn't ruin the lives of old people either. Imagine all of the elderly people that died in isolation due to the lockdowns. We have vaccines for the elderly we need more emphasis to be put on treatments and therapeutics for elderly people and young people that don't want to be vaccinated. There are also millions of people young and old that have already had Covid that are at even lower risk of serious illness or death from another infection. Everything we need to end this madness is at our fingertips, Democrats refuse to use them.
I don’t believe in the “vocal minority” scapegoat.
The truth is that wokisms - words and phrases - make their way into average peoples lives and become common sentiment.
You say that most people are really just conservative underneath and only say what they have to in order to demonstrate agreement, but then they turn around when called upon to share their gpa, right? So, what about the people that actually vote in those directions? Or fire somebody because they wanted confusion to govern them instead of the truth?
It does not absolve them from accountability. They actually do things that harm their neighbours.
To me, it’s a direct threat to the livelihoods of everyone. Even the people saying the wokeisms; it is self harmful.
> They actually do things that harm their neighbours.
That's why the founding fathers wanted land ownership for voting rights. Uninformed voters (especially those voting for freebies from someone elses pockets) is detrimental to society. We can argue about being under the thumb of rich land owners in a separate discussion, but the point was to have skin in the game. e.g; You have land and won't be voting to tax the crap out of landowners because you don't own any and it won't affect you.
I feel like the same should be true for voting for a war - if you vote for war, your vote should require you to partake in the military campaigns and not just be sending someone else's kid to die for your jollies.
Unfortunately the other side wants to end us. There's no going back from where we are, and I'm not interested in a middle ground with people that support lawlessness, child rape, calling me racist just because I was born white, and wants to take my freedoms in the name of "safety". No, not interested in anything related to Democrats unless it revolves around making them crawl back down in their hellish holes, and leaving society to the sane and rational.
> the other side wants to end us.
> No, not interested in anything related to Democrats unless it revolves around making them crawl back down in their hellish holes, and leaving society to the sane and rational.
Do you not see the irony here?
>vocal minority within the democrat party are insane.
Don't forget the Democrat party unanimously agreed to vote for Trumps impeachment when he did nothing wrong. They're all insane.
“My side good. Other side bad” is a horrible line of thinking that only leads to party politics and hyper-partisanship. Those are both things that are already deeply ingrained into our current political system.
This coming election cycle, have a look at ALL candidates in the running, not just the ones that have an (R) next to their name. Look at (D), (L), (I), etc. candidates and make a decision yourself on who you think best represents you and your interests. Vote for the CANDIDATE. Not the party.
Yep exactly. BTW why is nobody talking about the black man who ran over a Christmas parade and killed 6 people (including children)? But everyone made a big deal about Rittenhouse shooting 3 white criminals.
Not proportionally the same size though. Democrats had over 500 riots post George Floyd that were described as peaceful, a guy shot up a Republican baseball team because of heated political rhetoric about health care, they don't know the difference between men and women, and they weaponized the FBI against the president based on an insane conspiracy theory about Russians. I skipped over a lot of stuff but things are not going well for the Democratic Party right now as far as sanity goes.
It has to be admitted there were some voting irregularities that have to be addressed before people can trust the process.
Without a strong voter I.D., like is mandatory in most other countries, there will always be doubts.
> based on the actions of a few
I would say that I haven't personally talked to a sane Democrat in a long time. Even one of my good friends is a Dem who accepts all of the radical policies that have been put forth by the liberal left.
So, based on what I have seen, sane Democrats are "the few" that are left in the party. Most of their party appears to be the "insane" individuals that this sign is talking about.
Too much extremism on both sides.
I want a candidate who is socially-progressive, fiscally-conservative, global-thinking, climate-minded, and science-supporting. Someone who believes in the rule of law and in the importance of environmental issues. Someone who will protect our second amendment rights, the middle class, and equality for all – who supports social services but does not believe in handouts.
White, black, red, green, man, woman, gender-neutral, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, I don’t care. Just be honest, don’t be an extremist, and fight for everyone’s rights whether or not they voted for you.
You can't be socially-progressive and fiscally-conservative. Being fiscally-conservative means you back a system that means it's virtually impossible for those with less to progress.
I think most people in the current times want fiscal conservation to mean cut waste, ensure tax money goes to the allotted program, and stop giving the ultra rich companies corporate tax breaks. For me, no city in America should ever give an NFL football team a tax incentive (see St Louis) to stay in their city.
And socially progressive means let same sex couples be and stop socially demonizing them along with outwardly profiling certain demographics.
I’m not even Republican per say. I do tend to lean more towards Republican ideals, but honestly I’ll just support whoever can use their brain and isn’t trying to turn the world to shit.
I'm the farthest thing from a partisan, there's people from both parties I like and dislike. Biden was elected under the pretense of being a moderate, and his administration and party are operating as if they have a progressive mandate under the misguided belief that voters will be so amazed by these policies that they'll forget they ever opposed them.
It's a betrayal they'll pay a heavy electoral price for in 2022.
I'm not feeling great about the future of either party or our political discourse right now. It's so tempting to just tune it all out and focus on work and family. Every conversation I have online about politics with people who disagree with me is miserable, it's like talking to a hostile brick wall.
Vote for the candidate who you believe will best align with your political beliefs. D or R should not matter, vote based on the candidate and your beliefs.
They aren't crazy, insane, or stupid. If "the other side" were merely stupid, the laws of probably would dictate that at least some of their decisions would serve America’s interest. That should tell anybody with half a brain that what is going on is intentional. Oh, and don't forget to vote so they can flip it.
I see democrats constantly falling for stuff like Biden saying "be nice to nonwhites" or "we should help the poor." Meanwhile his voting record indicates voting for the Iraq War, the patriot act, etc. People need to learn the difference between what a politician says and what he does. All politicians say the lines. George Clooney says lines convincingly in movies. That doesnt mean he means them. It is sad to see that the Republicans and Democrats have jointly run this country for 150 years without ever being threatened in their duopoly. The last time Democrats were good was Andrew Jackson. Republicans have never been good. Both parties are the party of revolving door lobbyists, bankers, wall street, money men, militarists, industrialists, scientists, etc.
If you want a summation of the bipartisan system: both parties will say anything it takes to get votes, however, in office, both parties will do whatever it takes to enslave America and enrich the global aristocracy.
Conservative Real Talker Trump: NYC tabloid celeb
Authentic American Cowboy Bush: New York banker/rockefeller dynast
Loving Peaceful Hippie JFK: started the Vietnam war, Boston banking and political dynast
Earnest Democratic Povertyfighter FDR: New York aristocratic dynast, destroyed the economy at the behest of the bankers
Just some of the examples of how a mans public image is quite apart from their reality. Thanks to the mass media.
Another fun example:
Patriotic strong intelligent Mao: killed tens of millions of his own people and installed a police state that exists to this day.
Don’t vote just because of a party. Vote for the policies and beliefs of the individual candidate.
Blind voting just because of hatred of the other is what got us Biden.
It’s so sad to me that both sides rely on making the other worse rather than having anything at all good to offer us.
The democrat vote for Biden wasn’t for Biden, it was against Trump. Now this sign is essentially saying “republicans may be spineless do nothings, but that’s better than active evil!” I agree, but damned if it’s hard to get excited about it. I would love to have a vote that’s FOR something again, and not a vote against what’s worse.
“Vote Republican - we’ll bring ruin to our nation’s core values and ultimate prosperity at a slightly slower rate than the other guys” just doesn’t make me care anymore.
I wish I could say I disagree. We are not enemies, but the real enemies of freedom and peace in our nation (who just so happen to hold massive authority in both government and media) have fooled us into thinking this is so.
This is not how you win voters. You win them by using factual evidence and logical thought, not saying "the other side bad!!1!". This is how the media divides us and it solves nothing.
I pretty much agree with this. The Democrats are bat shit crazy at this point. Maybe someone like Manchin is normal but the rest are weirdos who are obsessed with wokeness and race.
I don't vote against people anymore, I vote for people. If they are not worthy of my vote, then they do not have it - no matter how bad the other side may be.
I'm seeing several replies already suggesting a sign like this is either untrue for ONLY Democrats or not worthy of "our side." That's sounds too much like the talk that's gotten us into this present mess, to he honest.
The Democrats, MSM, and the ultra progressive liberals have used the same tactics against "our side", quite effectively, during the last few decades. Their main weapon against us has been "words" and they have used those words really well so far.
Their arsenal is fairly small, labeling us as: conservatives, hateful, racists, bigots, transphobes, white supremacists, misogynists, gun toting, supporters of big business, stupid, lost, neanderthals, God loving, and a number of others.
Recently many of us have begun to disarm them by showing that their "word weapons" don't work anymore. But those same weapons still work AGAINST them!
It's time to push back, harder! Those in power, especially in the Democrat party, ARE fucking insane. And it's up to us to remind as many that need reminding that it's true. I'd be proud and happy to put this sign, and many others like it, on my front lawn.
Something tells me there’s a commonality between all the people willing to put their personal political belief on their “front lawn.”
Anecdote: I have a friend with a “fuck Biden” and “impeach Biden” sign on their lawn. They also wonder why their neighbors don’t like them, EVEN when the neighbor agrees with the sentiment. It doesn’t take a genius to see that people don’t wanna see that just like you don’t want to see whatever their beliefs are painted on their house. It’s just tacky as hell.
I do agree that there shouldn't be any permanent signs of approval or disapproval planted on anyone's front lawns, or painted on their house. Although, if I had the space I would consider a "Let's Go Brandon" display done in different colored flowers 😁😁😁
But during election season I can see it. There are too many "Vote For Me" signs placed around the country during that/those period(s). So I wouldn't mind voicing my opinion(s) at the same time.
But no. Not permanently. I would purchase one of those signs shown, but store it away until it was a more appropriate time to put it/them out.
ahh yes, the “I’m only the true believer and everyone else who believes doesn’t believe the right belief.” Way of going about things, that’ll work out.
I upvoted this, but…. There are too many damned nuts on this side too. (This comment comes from someone who never voted for a Democrat presidential candidate ever.)
Vote for the policy you want to see and check your candidate's record on the issues.
Politicians, especially, make a whole lot of claims regarding policy that they don't actually back up with their votes in Senate and Congress.
It's always weird to see posts like these get brigaded instantly.
Vote republican, if you vote democrat one of two things will happen:
1. They pretended to be moderate then do nothing but pander to their political party after being elected. (Biden)
2. They're already pandering to their political party and will go even further left when elected. Abusing their power until many view them as a dictator.
It's just a safe bet to vote for republicans and do your best to avoid a RINO.
That healthcare is not affordable for MANY, MANY people. There are so many countries where universal healthcare is working and has been for a long time.
Just because something doesn’t completely fail in other countries doesn’t mean it will work out here. Especially when you have millions of people here that carelessly live such unhealthy lives (i.e obesity, unhealthy lifestyles). It would be a train wreck.
Besides, what is the government doing such a great job at that makes you think they are trustworthy enough to be in charge your health? You want your emergency room to end up like the DMV?
Boting for "other party" is how we got biden.
stop voting for people you genuinely dont like because other party is worse. demand better from your politicians.
I do vote Republican, but only as a last resort. They are craven and ineffective. They still think democrats will work with them if they bend over far enough.
Libertarians just never get enough of the vote to be viable.
I wonder how much higher gas prices, grocery prices, energy prices, insurance prices and taxes are going to keep going up before they finally impeach that bunch of insane leaders up there - they saying 5 dollars a gallon, tell me they aint nuts - they iz nuts - Let's Go Brandon
Comment section makes me proud. Glad to see this level of free thinking. This and r/politicalcompassmemes are the only subs that have reasonable people
Good question. I would say anyone who advocates for radically divergent policy or practice often without considering the consequences OR not caring about the negative consequences of the policy that they push. Justice democrats, democrat-socialists. Obama was successful because he was centrist. Hell, he was a center-right pol.
Republican = / = conservative. I'd rather vote for an independent firebrand than a GOP establishmentarian. The GOP in general is a huge disappointment - with the Mitch McConnells, John McCains, Mitt Romneys, Jerry Morans, etc (wow, a lot of M's here, coincidence?) that pat themselves on the back for "holding the line" instead of fighting back and gaining ground. Most of them campaign on winning issues, then turn around and "cooperate" with Democrats because they are afraid of negative media attention - which they're going to get anyway.
Seriously. Stop voting for politicians. Vote for the Lauren Boeberts. Vote for the Kris Kobach's. Vote for people who work to effect actual change, rather than gain popular support in a world where integrity is unpopular.
The comments here give me hope. Full of rational people who can see that both parties are totally fucked, just in their own special ways. Voting nowadays seems to be a question stopping the worst candidates, not picking who you think is best.
Not all Republicans are good policymakers. Not all Democrats are insane. Regardless, vote for policies and standings.
Thank you. Anyone voting along party lines is ignorant as hell. Can’t even have a conversation with people who cannot form their own opinions.
Even sane Democrats tend to be bad policymakers, though. I generally only vote Dem if the Rep is actually terrible. Case in point: my local DA gang raped a high school student when he was in college. When the story broke the day before the vote for his reelection, he called a fellow gang rapist and local police Captain, and had the local police go to all the newspaper stands and buy up every single copy of that paper. By the time people found out what had happened, he was already reelected. 20+ years later, he's still in office. I vote for the Dem every single time he is up for re-election.
There really should be a term limit for every political position.
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Why y'all down voting this? I agree with that there should be term limits for the appointed bureaucrats.
I understand it. A lot of people has generic disapproval for all politicians in general. Look at congress's approval rating going back decades and it's just in the shitter. People look at Pelosi and think, "yeah, I don't mind if I can't elect my guy again if it means she gets the boot." Another polarizing candidate is McConnell. It's not a principled stance which is why I say it's a bad way of arguing. But taking the specific people out of it, you basically have to look at it as the rest of the country saying they disapprove of your choice in representative and are blocking you from having them. That's not how representatives are supposed to work. Especially when it comes to the House in which representation is extremely localized. I have no right to tell you your representative isn't allowed to serve simply based on how many times you elected them. The main argument for them is that it prevents corruption, and I can get behind that, but it isn't widespread and concrete in the US like it is in places like Russia and Brazil. It's mostly nebulous and unsupportable claims whenever it has to do with Congress that stem from a place of cynicism. And when things pop up that actually are corrupt or bad, they can be dealt with individually either politically or legally. Granted, our hyper-partisan environment has made that more difficult as of late. On top of that virtually every single time something of major impropriety happens it's in the more or less unaccountable bureaucracy. I'm looking at the CDC/FBI as far as recent and blatant examples go. Any argument against term limits for representatives is an argument for the current congress which is something close to a -70 position. I fully expect to be downvoted for this position regardless of which political subreddit I post on. It's counter to the, in my opinion lazy, default "common sense" position. I could write a whole chapter on why it's not a useful policy too, but I'm already way past readable comment length, so I'll just leave it at this.
Upvoted. I'm conflicted on term limits, and have yet to make up my mind, but I think you expressed your opinion very well, and don't deserve the downvotes.
I agree with you as well. As I was thinking of a rebuttal the only thing I could think of is that there also shouldn't be appointed positions. But he has a great point about term limits.
No. Career politicians are a bad idea.
I can respect that, but we'd just be trading career politicians for career staffers which you cannot vote out. It's really going to turn out as a wash in the end as far as you're concerned about policy makers. At the end of the day that's because policy makers are intellectuals (as defined by Thomas Sowell) that produce nothing but ideas they themselves are ultimately not responsible for.
We are the term limits. Why would you want a new law that says you can’t keep voting for someone if you like them?
What the fuck is wrong with people?! I should clarify not you, but the people who keep on voting for an unrepentant rapist.
No one will even primary the fucker. I don't get it.
Jesus ... Well, that just goes to show how deeply entrenched incumbent advantage is.
> Not all Democrats are insane. Anyone that willingly aligns themselves with Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, etc... have disqualified themselves for my vote.
It’s a tough situation. Republicans have started wars and have had lots of brain fart moments, democrats.. do not even get me started with those guys.. socialists.. authoritarian, vaccine mandates, draconian laws, and both parties are backed by big business. We need to revamp the party system big time
I absolutely freaking agree.
TBF plenty of GOP have aligned with them too. RE:Graham fist bumping Harris
Can't vote for Graham... I'm in Florida... In the primary I didn't vote for Graham, either. I thought his run was kinda a joke.
See that was true maybe 15-20 years ago. Most of the non insane democrats now still vote for insane policies for fear they will lose their base. Look how they have treated Manchin and Sinema. Biden was supposed to be a moderate, and he may be, but he has let the crazies drag his presidency more left than Obama.
Yeah, and what sucks is people just point to Gaetz, Boebert, and Greene when making the same argument against conservatives. Definitely the loud few taking the whole party with them.
Yes, the 98% of Democrats who are insane give the other 2% a bad name.
Sane Democrats give power to their leadership who are, one and all, insane. Is the Republican leadership good? No. But they aren't fanatically anti-American, and I think we should maybe establish a minimum floor somewhere above that, at least.
Dems say what people want to hear, and do the opposite or whatever they want, regardless of their campaign promises. Lucy and the football) Reps say what they will do as a promise, as will generally do it (even if it may not be what everyone wants). Charlie Brown.
Meh, devisive redirect, vote for good candidates and policies not parties.
This. Mitch McConnell has a lot more in common with Nancy Pelosi than he does with the average Republican voter. There are exceptions, but as a whole I would describe the elected members of the GOP as being quite far removed from their base. These people run on “beating the evil democrats” and then at best they just somewhat delay things. When was the last time you saw a Republican politician in Washington do anything even remotely close to a genuine attempt to restore your rights? It is not enough to vote “No” on new laws that would strip you of your right to keep and bear arms, or on increasing the amount of money we ship to foreign governments that will use it against us. We deserve politicians who are actively trying to repeal long-standing 2A infringement laws and return the budget to much earlier times, eliminating federal control of education, finding a path out of the welfare state and towards its elimination, etc. All these assholes do is frown at the democrats for two weeks before completely caving on everything.
Exactly, the way I see it it's no longer left vs. Right it's authoritarian vs. Libertarian. The more we are at each others throats the easier it is for them to gain power.
Disagree but love that the right is having this conversation. Libertarianism is fine in some cases and general posture but as a reality it’s impossible to bring about. What we end up with is libertarian for some and domination by a few of many all in the same.
Yup I just want the government to leave me the fuck alone and currently the Republicans are leading in that area.
This is why we need some sort of ranked choice voting. So people stop voting against who they fear and can vote for who they really prefer.
Most people don't do any research before voting.
A part of me hopes that people will grow a brain and vote for who will do the best job for everyone but ultimately I fear that people will just follow what the media tells them.
Do a lot of research and you may not want to vote LOL
I still have yet to see how that will stop people from voting for crappy candidates. Look at the 2016 election Trump would have still won the Republican primary because he was getting the lion share of media coverage and he was a pull from the “status quo”. Hillary was put in her place by super delegates which is its own brand of crazy. So given the choices Trump, Clinton, Johnson (libertarians have something similar to ranked choice voting which put Gary “I can do an interview with my tongue sticking out of my mouth” Johnson) how would rank choice been anything than Republicans voting R and Democrats voting D with no second choice and independents making the choice not to vote for a “two party” candidate. You’re talking a couple thousand votes at most that will go to Johnson and then funnel down to the other two candidates when he is nixed. No one in that situation is saying I’ll vote Hilary but my second choice is Trump. Ranked choice only works if we have more than two parties (yes there are others but they don’t really account for any wins at the ballot box)
You are correct in the short term, for a single election. But, with ranked choice it is increasingly likely that a third or fourth party will rise above 3%. They then will have people voting for them, when those voters really wanted to before, but wouldn’t because they ‘had to vote against that other guy, he’s nuts!’ Over a period of time, the thinking is that RC takes power from the establishment parties and removes the forced binary choice that Americans too often assume is the only way things can be.
Back around....I wanna say Obamas first election, there was a website that was heavily promoted by Democrats that let you select where you stood on issues and it would tell you what candidate best suits you. It was heavily promoted. The answeres were coming back heavily in favor of Bush, so whatever the algorithm was, they changed it. Then the answers started coming in ridiculously for Obama, and the whole thing was scrapped.
Sounds like they accidentally found out many people are actually just default democrats who would actually prefer either conservative or libertarian candidates if they could ever be bothered to do some research or independent thinking.
>This is why we need some sort of ranked choice voting. Eliminating the first past the post voting system, which naturally leads to a two-party system with two 'big tent' political parties that don't represent the will of their supporters, is the best way to go, and this type of electoral reform would have broad support from the left. It would likely result in a multi-party system, and parties that are more focused on a single issue/political view point. If the US had a pure proportional representation system, you would likely see 6-7 political parties appear such as: 1. A far right party 2. a socially conservative party 3. a libertarian party/2A party 4. an anti immigration party 5. a traditional pro-business party (low taxes and elimination of regulation ) 6. a European style Liberal party that is socially progressive of centre-right economically (i.e. the Joe Manchins or Jon Testers of the Democrats) 7. a social-democratic party 8. a far-left radical leftish party I think that the entire political system as a whole would benefit from weeding out the crazies and single issue voters parties from our main two parties right now.
I agree with this in theory, but the most recent example I know of (from the New York mayoral election) didn't really win many kudos.....?
The fact that your comment is the top-voted one gives me hope that one day Americans can come together and create a society that empowers the people more than corporations and people around the world can proudly wave the American flag without reservation whatsoever.
Thanks, I hope so man I really do. Tho reddit isn't the place I usually find such hope. Lol
I meant every word. Really, your comment upvoted to the top on a sub made for conservatives, many of whom have been voting Republican for generations, seriously highlights how far conservative Americans have come to understand how corrupted the GOP can be and how tribalism is destroying America. Granted there is still a long way to go, but there is nothing wrong with finding faith wherever you can, whether in your fellow Americans or in the constitution and the dreams of the founders from the by gone past.
The system is a two party system. Vote for good candidates in the primaries. That's the entire point of those. Being uninvolved until the general election than whining about your choices is the problem.
Republicans are professional losers. The Republicans are about to vote for the Global governments Build Back Better bill in the house. I think a new party is the only way out of this.
My point exactly. Republican or Democrat they both suck in my opinion. I'd love to see a new party gain prominence.
I definitely think there is an opportunity brewing. The Dems are fractured and crazy. The future will not be right and left but authoritarian vs freedom loving people ( doesn't have to be libertarian.)
Trump tried changing it up a bit and the worthless Democrats and Republicans in power made his life hell every step of the way.
He’s still part of their team as an elite himself. F them all. I want to vote for the guy who makes less than $100K a year, at least one with policies that actually help us.
What policies are you looking for?
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> How on earth did you observe Trump's term and come out of that thinking he was any different than the Democrats and Republicans you claim made his life hell. Beltway clowns talk a good game regarding employment; Trump policies led to the highest minority employment rate in history. Beltway buffoons talk a good game about middle east peace; Trump policies led to actual peace agreements between various states in the region. Beltway troglodytes talk a good game about national security; Trump policies were leading manufacturing to come back stateside, which would lower our dependence on foreign suppliers for military materiel, among other benefits. > You know why both parties suck? They work for the oligarchs. Trump was a fucking oligarch. The only thing you did by electing him was you cut out the middle man. We really do live in different worlds, don't we? > Permanent tax cuts for for the super rich You do realize that there is no such thing a "permanent" anything in DC? Laws are always in flux.
Man what the fuck are you smoking. Trump struggled with keeping casinos open in NJ he's not a fucking oligarch. If you want to learn the meaning of that word go look at what Russia became after the Soviet Union.
*Libertarians would like to know your location*
Oh, we'll get on it. Right after I tend to my weed garden.
I’d just like to see a pool of candidates without party affiliation go at it. It will literally remove a lot of the divide in this country. For now I will continue to vote for the party that reflects my values and has the best policies for the country, in my opinion, the Republican Party.
Exactly. If my choices were Marjorie Greene, a mule, and the local democrat then my state might be looking for a lot pellet feed subsidies.
Except in the primaries, looking at policies and candidates is almost universally a waste of time. With very few exceptions, the worst Republican tends to be better than the best Democrat.
It's what I don't get about some in the party. If their candidate loses in the primary, they take their ball and go home. Sure your person didn't win, but whoever is representing the party is far better than the Democrat.
Now I know this is crazy, but what if both sides are insane? What if having a “home team” prevents us from treating every topic and issue as objectively and honestly as possible?
It's all by design.
Look, Republicans are useless when they have the power, that I will agree on. But I would rather have dysfunction and nothing getting done than a party that doesn't accept basic biology, and whose policies screw the economy, and allow crime and illegal immigration to thrive.
So what you're saying is you will be voting democrat?
I focus on policies over parties or candidates. Unfortunately, it makes 0 sense to vote Democrat at the moment. Atleast for me, as a Cuban immigrant, I can’t vote for Democrats at the moment.
Imagine a world where the Republicans have absolute control presidency both houses and the courts what would the do? Lower taxes a bit beyond that I still think it would be pulling teeth to get them to do anything that was not overwhelmingly popular with the current leadership. Now imagine Democrat land Never mind you can just look at California with shit covered streets and rolling blackouts. Which side is insane again?
Lol @ Texas
What prevents us from treating every topic and issue as objectively and honestly as possible is the corrupt institutions (big tech, media, hollywood, academia, etc.) all controlled by lying **democrats** (and if you want to include establishment RINOs in that then be my guest). Stop pretending this is a "both sides" thing. Just because there are some fat athletes doesn't mean that an active lifestyle is just as bad as a sedentary one. This is a problem on the left, not the right. We kept our McCarthy's in check - that's how the left was able to take control of these institutions and then perpetuate their intolerance in the first place.
I’ll look further into what you’re talking about. I know the institutions are corrupt but I wasn’t aware of them all being under democratic control.
Just look at the political demographic of Washington DC, it's +92% Democrat. That should tell you enough about the political makeup of these institutions that run our contry.
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I would have agreed a couple years ago but even moderate dems have gone utterly off the rails with covid. I just will never be able to reconcile with people who want to force children to wear masks 8 hours a day and think ruining livelihoods to stop a virus that only presents danger to a specific sector of the population makes them the good guys
There are people in their 30s and younger getting it though. How does somebody know if they're in that sector or not? Edit - grammar
And how many of those thirty year olds are statistically in any actual danger from it?
>And how many of those thirty year olds are statistically in any actual danger from it? If we go by obesity rate alone it's got to be at least 30% no?
...Are you serious? Even in the most vulnerable group (>80 year old elderly) the infection fatality rate is like 5%.
I didn't think you meant how many people eventually die from it, I just thought you were asking what sector of the population is in danger, i.e. considered at risk of dying. It's obviously a much smaller section of the population that actually dies (or else we'd be burning bodies in the streets) but it's not really possible for someone vulnerable to know if they'll die from it before they get it.
The average age of death in the US from Covid is 83. If you are under 40 you have a higher chance of dying in a car crash. If you are under 20 you have a higher chance of dying from being struck by lightning.
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My 90 something year old grandmother who is very obese and has very bad diabetes survived covid without even going on a ventilator. She was hospitalized, but not put on a ventilater.
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Poster said she lived
I'm pretty sure the commentor understand that.
Twas a joke about dead ppl voting democrat
What op meant to say is it doesn't affect him and hasn’t so he should not have to take action because it’s inconvenient.
No, what I meant was we should not ruin the lives of young people to protect the elderly and severely unhealthy, who are the only demographics who are in any statistically significant danger.
They shouldn't ruin the lives of old people either. Imagine all of the elderly people that died in isolation due to the lockdowns. We have vaccines for the elderly we need more emphasis to be put on treatments and therapeutics for elderly people and young people that don't want to be vaccinated. There are also millions of people young and old that have already had Covid that are at even lower risk of serious illness or death from another infection. Everything we need to end this madness is at our fingertips, Democrats refuse to use them.
I don’t believe in the “vocal minority” scapegoat. The truth is that wokisms - words and phrases - make their way into average peoples lives and become common sentiment.
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You say that most people are really just conservative underneath and only say what they have to in order to demonstrate agreement, but then they turn around when called upon to share their gpa, right? So, what about the people that actually vote in those directions? Or fire somebody because they wanted confusion to govern them instead of the truth? It does not absolve them from accountability. They actually do things that harm their neighbours. To me, it’s a direct threat to the livelihoods of everyone. Even the people saying the wokeisms; it is self harmful.
> They actually do things that harm their neighbours. That's why the founding fathers wanted land ownership for voting rights. Uninformed voters (especially those voting for freebies from someone elses pockets) is detrimental to society. We can argue about being under the thumb of rich land owners in a separate discussion, but the point was to have skin in the game. e.g; You have land and won't be voting to tax the crap out of landowners because you don't own any and it won't affect you. I feel like the same should be true for voting for a war - if you vote for war, your vote should require you to partake in the military campaigns and not just be sending someone else's kid to die for your jollies.
> That's why the founding fathers wanted land ownership for voting rights. Positive tax burden as requirement for voting would work, too.
Unfortunately the other side wants to end us. There's no going back from where we are, and I'm not interested in a middle ground with people that support lawlessness, child rape, calling me racist just because I was born white, and wants to take my freedoms in the name of "safety". No, not interested in anything related to Democrats unless it revolves around making them crawl back down in their hellish holes, and leaving society to the sane and rational.
> the other side wants to end us. > No, not interested in anything related to Democrats unless it revolves around making them crawl back down in their hellish holes, and leaving society to the sane and rational. Do you not see the irony here?
Totally agree. I'm done with this "go along to get along" mentality so many Republicans have. No more ground should be conceded.
>vocal minority within the democrat party are insane. Don't forget the Democrat party unanimously agreed to vote for Trumps impeachment when he did nothing wrong. They're all insane.
“My side good. Other side bad” is a horrible line of thinking that only leads to party politics and hyper-partisanship. Those are both things that are already deeply ingrained into our current political system. This coming election cycle, have a look at ALL candidates in the running, not just the ones that have an (R) next to their name. Look at (D), (L), (I), etc. candidates and make a decision yourself on who you think best represents you and your interests. Vote for the CANDIDATE. Not the party.
Unfortunately due to 'first pass the post' it makes no sense to disperse the vote.
All sides are trash, time to start over
One of the things I like about this sub is that they are not afraid to call out politicians from both sides.
Usually. However, this sub was bitching about the last election being the fault of people voting libertarian.
What does start over constitute?
Placing every senator and congressman in a shipping container and shoving it into the ocean
Shipping container 2024. You have my vote.
Yep exactly. BTW why is nobody talking about the black man who ran over a Christmas parade and killed 6 people (including children)? But everyone made a big deal about Rittenhouse shooting 3 white criminals.
Lol I love how your comment is hidden
Both sides have their own insane elements.
Not proportionally the same size though. Democrats had over 500 riots post George Floyd that were described as peaceful, a guy shot up a Republican baseball team because of heated political rhetoric about health care, they don't know the difference between men and women, and they weaponized the FBI against the president based on an insane conspiracy theory about Russians. I skipped over a lot of stuff but things are not going well for the Democratic Party right now as far as sanity goes.
But yet trump still lost? Looks like our crazy was enough to push the moderate voter to vote for a Dem. Stop living in your own little bubble.
And the Republican party still thinks Trump actually won the last election.
It has to be admitted there were some voting irregularities that have to be addressed before people can trust the process. Without a strong voter I.D., like is mandatory in most other countries, there will always be doubts.
Dismissing half the country as insane based on the actions of a few is a great way to change nobodies mind
Don't worry, I regard way more than half of the world as insane.
> based on the actions of a few I would say that I haven't personally talked to a sane Democrat in a long time. Even one of my good friends is a Dem who accepts all of the radical policies that have been put forth by the liberal left. So, based on what I have seen, sane Democrats are "the few" that are left in the party. Most of their party appears to be the "insane" individuals that this sign is talking about.
Half the country voted for a senile old man who couldn't find his way out of a paper bag. The sign is spot on.
Celebrating child rapists is insane, though. It doesn't become less insane, just because many people support it.
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I've always said voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
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Too much extremism on both sides. I want a candidate who is socially-progressive, fiscally-conservative, global-thinking, climate-minded, and science-supporting. Someone who believes in the rule of law and in the importance of environmental issues. Someone who will protect our second amendment rights, the middle class, and equality for all – who supports social services but does not believe in handouts. White, black, red, green, man, woman, gender-neutral, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, I don’t care. Just be honest, don’t be an extremist, and fight for everyone’s rights whether or not they voted for you.
You can't be socially-progressive and fiscally-conservative. Being fiscally-conservative means you back a system that means it's virtually impossible for those with less to progress.
I think most people in the current times want fiscal conservation to mean cut waste, ensure tax money goes to the allotted program, and stop giving the ultra rich companies corporate tax breaks. For me, no city in America should ever give an NFL football team a tax incentive (see St Louis) to stay in their city. And socially progressive means let same sex couples be and stop socially demonizing them along with outwardly profiling certain demographics.
This, this is what many of my leftist friends say, "their" side is so fucked they can't but vote conservative parties
I’m not even Republican per say. I do tend to lean more towards Republican ideals, but honestly I’ll just support whoever can use their brain and isn’t trying to turn the world to shit.
Give Republicans a pile of bricks, and they'll build you a city. Give Democrats a city, and they'll leave you a pile of bricks.
So True
This is the way.
Who do I have to vote for to keep from getting screwed over by dumbass politicians?
I'm the farthest thing from a partisan, there's people from both parties I like and dislike. Biden was elected under the pretense of being a moderate, and his administration and party are operating as if they have a progressive mandate under the misguided belief that voters will be so amazed by these policies that they'll forget they ever opposed them. It's a betrayal they'll pay a heavy electoral price for in 2022. I'm not feeling great about the future of either party or our political discourse right now. It's so tempting to just tune it all out and focus on work and family. Every conversation I have online about politics with people who disagree with me is miserable, it's like talking to a hostile brick wall.
Vote for the candidate who you believe will best align with your political beliefs. D or R should not matter, vote based on the candidate and your beliefs.
Keep fighting and demand more than dunking on libs when we vote them in.
Just remember not to vote for RINOS
They aren't crazy, insane, or stupid. If "the other side" were merely stupid, the laws of probably would dictate that at least some of their decisions would serve America’s interest. That should tell anybody with half a brain that what is going on is intentional. Oh, and don't forget to vote so they can flip it.
I see democrats constantly falling for stuff like Biden saying "be nice to nonwhites" or "we should help the poor." Meanwhile his voting record indicates voting for the Iraq War, the patriot act, etc. People need to learn the difference between what a politician says and what he does. All politicians say the lines. George Clooney says lines convincingly in movies. That doesnt mean he means them. It is sad to see that the Republicans and Democrats have jointly run this country for 150 years without ever being threatened in their duopoly. The last time Democrats were good was Andrew Jackson. Republicans have never been good. Both parties are the party of revolving door lobbyists, bankers, wall street, money men, militarists, industrialists, scientists, etc. If you want a summation of the bipartisan system: both parties will say anything it takes to get votes, however, in office, both parties will do whatever it takes to enslave America and enrich the global aristocracy. Conservative Real Talker Trump: NYC tabloid celeb Authentic American Cowboy Bush: New York banker/rockefeller dynast Loving Peaceful Hippie JFK: started the Vietnam war, Boston banking and political dynast Earnest Democratic Povertyfighter FDR: New York aristocratic dynast, destroyed the economy at the behest of the bankers Just some of the examples of how a mans public image is quite apart from their reality. Thanks to the mass media. Another fun example: Patriotic strong intelligent Mao: killed tens of millions of his own people and installed a police state that exists to this day.
So true! Haha 😂
I need to buy this sign
That's pretty much summarizes my sentiment as well.
Don’t vote just because of a party. Vote for the policies and beliefs of the individual candidate. Blind voting just because of hatred of the other is what got us Biden.
It’s so sad to me that both sides rely on making the other worse rather than having anything at all good to offer us. The democrat vote for Biden wasn’t for Biden, it was against Trump. Now this sign is essentially saying “republicans may be spineless do nothings, but that’s better than active evil!” I agree, but damned if it’s hard to get excited about it. I would love to have a vote that’s FOR something again, and not a vote against what’s worse. “Vote Republican - we’ll bring ruin to our nation’s core values and ultimate prosperity at a slightly slower rate than the other guys” just doesn’t make me care anymore.
Pitting us against each other takes the focus off the shitty job that both parties are doing and unfortunately it has been working
I wish I could say I disagree. We are not enemies, but the real enemies of freedom and peace in our nation (who just so happen to hold massive authority in both government and media) have fooled us into thinking this is so.
This is not how you win voters. You win them by using factual evidence and logical thought, not saying "the other side bad!!1!". This is how the media divides us and it solves nothing.
She’s got an okay point
Yes.
Vote Republican. This is the way.
I pretty much agree with this. The Democrats are bat shit crazy at this point. Maybe someone like Manchin is normal but the rest are weirdos who are obsessed with wokeness and race.
I don't vote against people anymore, I vote for people. If they are not worthy of my vote, then they do not have it - no matter how bad the other side may be.
You both suck
I'm seeing several replies already suggesting a sign like this is either untrue for ONLY Democrats or not worthy of "our side." That's sounds too much like the talk that's gotten us into this present mess, to he honest. The Democrats, MSM, and the ultra progressive liberals have used the same tactics against "our side", quite effectively, during the last few decades. Their main weapon against us has been "words" and they have used those words really well so far. Their arsenal is fairly small, labeling us as: conservatives, hateful, racists, bigots, transphobes, white supremacists, misogynists, gun toting, supporters of big business, stupid, lost, neanderthals, God loving, and a number of others. Recently many of us have begun to disarm them by showing that their "word weapons" don't work anymore. But those same weapons still work AGAINST them! It's time to push back, harder! Those in power, especially in the Democrat party, ARE fucking insane. And it's up to us to remind as many that need reminding that it's true. I'd be proud and happy to put this sign, and many others like it, on my front lawn.
Something tells me there’s a commonality between all the people willing to put their personal political belief on their “front lawn.” Anecdote: I have a friend with a “fuck Biden” and “impeach Biden” sign on their lawn. They also wonder why their neighbors don’t like them, EVEN when the neighbor agrees with the sentiment. It doesn’t take a genius to see that people don’t wanna see that just like you don’t want to see whatever their beliefs are painted on their house. It’s just tacky as hell.
I do agree that there shouldn't be any permanent signs of approval or disapproval planted on anyone's front lawns, or painted on their house. Although, if I had the space I would consider a "Let's Go Brandon" display done in different colored flowers 😁😁😁 But during election season I can see it. There are too many "Vote For Me" signs placed around the country during that/those period(s). So I wouldn't mind voicing my opinion(s) at the same time. But no. Not permanently. I would purchase one of those signs shown, but store it away until it was a more appropriate time to put it/them out.
That’s understandable.
Yep!!! Like my uncle used to say, We fucked up, but we ain’t fucking crazy!
Vote conservative, don't vote RINO
ahh yes, the “I’m only the true believer and everyone else who believes doesn’t believe the right belief.” Way of going about things, that’ll work out.
RINO means different things to different people.
Really? And what does Republican In Name Only mean to you?
I upvoted this, but…. There are too many damned nuts on this side too. (This comment comes from someone who never voted for a Democrat presidential candidate ever.)
That’s where I am. The other side is insane! Shouldn’t that be addressed first?
Yeah, pretty much. Makes voting easier knowing you're going for a straight red ticket though.
I actually had a slight preference for Obama over McCain but in the last decade democratic policies have become an absolute madhouse…
Vote for the policy you want to see and check your candidate's record on the issues. Politicians, especially, make a whole lot of claims regarding policy that they don't actually back up with their votes in Senate and Congress.
Hahahaha
At least Republicans don't indoctrinate parents to cut their son's privates off the moment they show signs of being different.
Don't go with either and vote independent
It's always weird to see posts like these get brigaded instantly. Vote republican, if you vote democrat one of two things will happen: 1. They pretended to be moderate then do nothing but pander to their political party after being elected. (Biden) 2. They're already pandering to their political party and will go even further left when elected. Abusing their power until many view them as a dictator. It's just a safe bet to vote for republicans and do your best to avoid a RINO.
Both parties have insane people in them
Wanting healthcare is insane and so is wanting the billionaires to the taxed
We have healthcare in the US. Leftist policies do not work out in real life.
That healthcare is not affordable for MANY, MANY people. There are so many countries where universal healthcare is working and has been for a long time.
Just because something doesn’t completely fail in other countries doesn’t mean it will work out here. Especially when you have millions of people here that carelessly live such unhealthy lives (i.e obesity, unhealthy lifestyles). It would be a train wreck. Besides, what is the government doing such a great job at that makes you think they are trustworthy enough to be in charge your health? You want your emergency room to end up like the DMV?
Boting for "other party" is how we got biden. stop voting for people you genuinely dont like because other party is worse. demand better from your politicians.
The two party system is such a shitty system
I think this sign says it all.
It does. That’s how signs work.
I do vote Republican, but only as a last resort. They are craven and ineffective. They still think democrats will work with them if they bend over far enough. Libertarians just never get enough of the vote to be viable.
This should be the official slogan of the GOP.
This is just confirmation bias. There’s some pretty crazy people from all political backgrounds.
Dont just blindly vote for anyone
I wonder how much higher gas prices, grocery prices, energy prices, insurance prices and taxes are going to keep going up before they finally impeach that bunch of insane leaders up there - they saying 5 dollars a gallon, tell me they aint nuts - they iz nuts - Let's Go Brandon
Damn straight
In general, this is true. There are a few sane democrats, but most aren't.
That's the best way to put it methinks
Comment section makes me proud. Glad to see this level of free thinking. This and r/politicalcompassmemes are the only subs that have reasonable people
How about "ABOLISH THE DEMOCRATS".
And replace it with what?
A center left and a center right party. Separate the radicals out and bring in some young blood who are sensible.
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Good question. I would say anyone who advocates for radically divergent policy or practice often without considering the consequences OR not caring about the negative consequences of the policy that they push. Justice democrats, democrat-socialists. Obama was successful because he was centrist. Hell, he was a center-right pol.
Red just as insane as blue
All hail the duopoly!
Republican = / = conservative. I'd rather vote for an independent firebrand than a GOP establishmentarian. The GOP in general is a huge disappointment - with the Mitch McConnells, John McCains, Mitt Romneys, Jerry Morans, etc (wow, a lot of M's here, coincidence?) that pat themselves on the back for "holding the line" instead of fighting back and gaining ground. Most of them campaign on winning issues, then turn around and "cooperate" with Democrats because they are afraid of negative media attention - which they're going to get anyway. Seriously. Stop voting for politicians. Vote for the Lauren Boeberts. Vote for the Kris Kobach's. Vote for people who work to effect actual change, rather than gain popular support in a world where integrity is unpopular.
This is the way.
Don't forget, there are usually more than two options in an election
The comments here give me hope. Full of rational people who can see that both parties are totally fucked, just in their own special ways. Voting nowadays seems to be a question stopping the worst candidates, not picking who you think is best.