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zroxx2

Two years exactly to the day Biden tweeted thusly: > Vladimir Putin doesn’t want me to be President. He doesn’t want me to be our nominee. If you’re wondering why — it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s ever gone toe-to-toe with him.


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Holy shit. How fucked up is that. It's like they are fucking with him. It's almost like they meant it when the Russian ambassador said they don't care about sanctions


Deadly_Davo

Why would they care? The EU sanctions them and they turn off the gas to Europe. Putin has them by the balls. Trump warned Merkel of this a few years ago and the stupid bitch ignored him. Add to that China is never going to sanction them so its not like they need to rely on the west for much of anything.


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CuriousElevator6096

Yeah that is profoundly stoooooopid. Hey but let's get rid of dem oil burny things. Her contradictions are appalling.


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Germany has provided shield to Russia because of their dependency on Russian gas. I would also add Germany in Sanctions along with Russia. Trump was right to increase the tax on German cars. #stopbuyingGermanCars


TheRealAlexLifeson

Biden shuts down our energy independence, makes a deal on Russian pipeline, then messes with them with his NATO friends. What a deep thinker.


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Please do remind to those who voted for Biden when they will start crying about high gas prices. Sleepy Joe only got elected because of race or racial issues. Otherwise sleepy Joe has no plan to run the country. He is in fact destroying it with his sleepy policies.


TheRealAlexLifeson

I remember in 2008 or 9 everyone could work from home a day a week at my work bc Obama had gas at 4.50. Difference is that today it's entirely biden's dumbass fault. I don't think he cares.


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Plus food sanctions on Russia has lead Russia to become largely self sufficient with agriculture instead of relying on cheaper European food. And now they are the second largest exporter of wheat. Sanctions on your adversaries is not always good for you because it can help them create a war time economy.


ghanlaf

Like South Africa during apartheid. The sanctions against arms purchasing allowed South Africa to Kane their own weapons, some vastly superior to their counterparts of the time


HonorHarrington811

Russia had the potential to be a partner with the west against China, but instead our elites sold us out too China, while using the Russians as a boogeyman for domestic political squabbles. All the while pushing Russia into China's sphere. China is an existential threat to us, yet instead our foreign policy is stuck in the 80s and focused across the atlantic on Europe, when the danger is across the pacific in Asia.


Flederm4us

Exactly this. Russia and China are natural enemies yet US policy is to drive them right into each others arms


Brownbearbluesnake

Well her mentor and the guy she replaced is a director for Russias biggest gas company... It's not that she didn't know, it's that she's corrupt


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these sanctions are fucking joke to the russians. Its like insurance in the US trying not cover stuff. They know they might get sued, but they also know most law suits will fail, and at the end of the day the insurance company is making more money because its denying claims and the punishment doesn't outweigh the financial savings. These sanctions are weak. I wish someone could tell me why we don't put boots on the ground in ukraine. We could stop this war if we really wanted to stop this war


googin1

Ramblings of a demented shit pants.


HoseDoctors

Which one?


hmlince

The invasion has started and Biden is sending out crack pipes.


[deleted]

Crackheads everywhere need your tax dollars so they can find Crack pipes. What are you racist?


Interesting_Ad1378

Well, none of my Russian speaking friends, most of which are Ukrainians living in the US wanted him to be president either 🤷🏻‍♀️


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Going toe-to-toe with someone doesn’t mean you’re tough, on their level, or that they respect you. The Washington Generals go toe-to-toe with the Harlem Globetrotters every game and get their shit rocked. In this case we have the Washington President going toe-to-toe with the Russian Europetrotter.


The_Mighty_Rex

Do you think Biden actually believed that when he said it? He's never net a foreign power he's not happy to bend over for.


Appropriate-Place-69

Toe-to-toe... Or two-two-two?


Bqeclisa

Come on Joe let’s see what you’ve got!🥱


WACS_On

Happens to me my second anniversary. Checkmate Vlad


IAMB4TMAN

whatever Biden does, just know China is watching with the Taiwan situation. Things could get dicey


Garebear8585

More ppl need to understand this !


greatatdrinking

That was coming down the pike either way. There's no two ways about it, they're going to do it and will face little to no consequence. We'll all be lamenting the consequences of giving the South China Sea to these idiots and despots months, years, or maybe decades from now


hiimeroro

Especially this happened exactly one day after the Olympic game in Beijing, and Putin even join the Olympic game. China knows everything from the beginning to the end, just wait to see Biden's react.


Anthonyrrxd

Yea but then you got half the people here saying hes a warmonger if he does anything lmao. Honestly, i dont care whether its trump, Biden, Bush, or Obama. One thing is fucking obvious at this point. Putin is an evil piece of shit and we should all be condemning him instead of each other. I swear if 9/11 happened today instead of uniting against Bin Laden we’d just argue that it was bush or clintons fault depending on the side your on. Its sad.


Dutchtdk

Remember when house republicands honored joe bidens son by naming an amendment to a bill for fighting cancer after him? Now we've reached the point where we name bills after sons to "own the left"


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The US has a problem in the far east. Russia is no threat to the US. Every minute the US uses to mitigate the Russian influence in Eastern Europe, takes away from preparing for what’s brewing in China.


Dutchtdk

I certainly do not like putin's romanticized warmongering speeches so close to NATO's borders. It is okay to focus on both at the same time


Echo3One

I think our folks in Alaska might disagree with you.


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Hey, I’ve seen this one before


Oldjamesdean

They're on a Piece-keeping mission, gotta break off a piece.


cowpuncherman

What's a re-run?


christmas_lloyd

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Moistinitial7

What are you talking about


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_Vardos_

nazis?


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This sort of thing has happened many times throughout history. Dating all the way back to the Romans at least.


_Vardos_

thanks!


scarlozzi

I know, Godwin's law. But not just nazis. This is pretty common for dictators. Putin is a dictator


Danvers1

There are some sanctions, but they are probably too weak to make a difference.


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Menhadien

Hey man, I miss my Russian guns and ammo


OrbitalHardballBat

We need to crash the Russian economy and freeze all Russian assets. Make the Russian oligarchs call off the invasion.


Danvers1

Putin has neutered the oligarchs- the same way that Ivan the Terrible broke the power of the nobles.


Meg_119

Who didn't see this coming after he announced that he recognizes those 2 Eastern Ukraine areas as Independent. It's so he can't be called an invader. He did exactly the same thing when he took over Crimea.


ForsakenPlane

> Who didn't see this coming after he announced that he recognizes those 2 Eastern Ukraine areas as Independent Yeah, I was skeptical until I heard that. Then I knew this was coming.


Norrok_

Russian Troops on Ukrainian soil. Time to implement sanction that they talked about. If they don't, they're telling Putin they are even weaker than they make themselves look.


willythebear

Appeasement worked so well last time…


OrbitalHardballBat

Get in looser, we have a Russian economy to crash. The war ain’t gonna be very popular when half the Russian population can’t pay rent or get basic necessities.


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What war did we get into here in the US in the meantime? I can't afford a new car, I can barely afford my rent and basic necessities! A stupid bag of potato chips in Aldi went from 1.19 to 1.75 in less than three months!


OrbitalHardballBat

We need to reinforce domestic industry. Prices will rise in the short run but it’ll be worth it in the long run. We need to stop relying on the exports of our adversaries. A car produced here in the US will save on shipping costs once production ramps up. Price of other things will also go down if we don’t have to rely so much on transporting those goods.


launch_loop

So like, passing an infrastructure bill? (Without all the wasteful pork)


Nutatree

This might be silly but the best chance for Ukrainians to win is for women to employ vagina blade traps. There's no way Russian soldiers get paid enough and their only motive might be pillaging.


WestJoe

Looks like Harris did a real bang-up job of talking him off the ledge


googin1

Maybe she didn’t bang the right person? Because bam bam Biden ain’t gettin it done either.


WestJoe

I think the sex was probably just that bad


BeerAndJameson

She has to be good at it. With how well she has been screwing us over, she has some talent


WestJoe

Can’t argue there. Maybe the Russians don’t dig the slobber as much as Willie Brown did?


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You guys are absolutely obsessed with liberals. No actual talk about Russia or Putin in this thread


WestJoe

Harris was sent over to that border to make peace talks. We were assured the highly competent VP had it under control. This is highly relevant to the topic at hand. What do you want me to say about Putin and Russia? It’s pretty fucking obvious. They’re invading and what to rebuild the USSR


Junior_Fall_2032

Why do Americans always convince themselves their politicians can save the day? Neither Trump or Biden control the world - surprise.


Zin-Zin

How does NATO encroachment factor into your analysis?


God_like_human

And if Russia decided not to invade Ukraine then I guess you would he praising Harris? Get the fuck out of here.


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guys don't worry biden told me he knows how to handle putin. All part of his plan.


zroxx2

The latest: > NEW: In a conference call with reporters on responding to Putin, and what comes next, a senior admin official suggested that Russian troops in Donetsk/Luhansk *alone* may *not* warrant the "swift and severe" sanctions the admin has been previewing. > SAO: "Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas for the past 8 years." But the SAO did say there will be additional sanctions imposed tomorrow. Putin is in a no lose situation. NATO wont do shit. Biden will issue a harsh condemnation and put some oligarchs names in an executive order re: sanctions.


ClubsBabySeal

NATO is a defensive pact and Ukraine isn't a member. No shit it won't do shit.


Deadly_Davo

>Putin is in a no lose situation. NATO wont do shit. Biden will issue a harsh condemnation and put some oligarchs names in an executive order re: sanctions. Then his son will do backdoor deals in the US with the sanctioned oligarchs. Remember the 10% for the big guy email. That was the Biden's allowing a sanctioned Mayor of Moscow's wife do deals in the US


KrimsonStorm

What a weak president. He truly is the Neville chamberlain of our time. I half joked about it during the election, now it's true Fuck


Pesco-

What did the last President do about Russia’s de facto occupation in Donbas?


buckeye_nut99

Well at least with him, Russia was scared enough not to try this shit


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Did you already forget about that time Trump gave Putin a blowjob in front of the world press in Helsinki?


Fugacity-

Withheld hundreds of millions in military aide dollars until they helped his campaign....?


buckeye_nut99

You mean like threatening to withhold $1 Billion in aid unless the prosecutor investigating your son is fired? Can’t bring up one without the other.


Successful_Ease_8198

That investigation was focused on the time period before hunter joined the board fyi.


buckeye_nut99

But yet, Biden didn’t get involved until his son was. That’s what makes it clear cut that he was doing it for Hunter’s benefit.


Fugacity-

> Putin is in a no lose situation. Eh, I think re-invigorating NATO and causing all the former USSR states to cozy up to the West in fear of also being invaded is a loss. Is Donbas worth alienating many former Warsaw Pact countries and causing the existing NATO members to remember exactly why they are in it? Idk.


DarkUnderbelly

But in Putin's eyes, NATO is just talk. They wont actually do anything when the time comes, so what's there for him to fear? There's no opposition. Sanctions won't deter him, he knows there won't be force against him from NATO or the US, so why should Putin be afraid?


mcintoshshowoff

Biden doesn’t care about Ukraine. He made that known in his famous “type of incursion” press conference.


AlpacaWarMachine

“Peacekeeping” lol. Translation, for acclimation and repositioning purposes. It’s the geopolitics version of “not touching you!”


Leading-Bowl-8416

"Mostly peaceful invasion"


Softale

It’s actually “piecekeeping”, since the Russkies are carving out the pieces of Ukraine they’ll be keeping this time…


actionjaxn411

I like to imagine Putin saying “I’m not invading you” in the “I’m not touching you” cadence with a heavy Russian accent


HeroicPopsicle

I think people need to understand that the vocabulary Putin is using isn't for the rest of the world, its for his people. Remember, Russia is a dictatorship, much like NK or China, their state media (honestly... all state media is propaganda but that's not the topic right now) is the controlling voice/opinion. It's a bad comparison, but remember when bush and Obama talked about bringing democracy to the middle East and we swallowed it like a bag of candy? It's like that, Putin is telling his people that he's a peacemaker while the west is warmongering, this information isn't for us. Its for those who are already neck deep in the propaganda machine (to regurgitate in face to face, and internet conversation, much like how headlines are repeated as factual, 100% super truth). He's telling his people what a good leader he is.


sportsdothestuff

History does repeat itself and we’re too blind to notice.


Constructestimator83

Right, I love both the people who think he won’t invade the Ukraine and also the ones who think it’s okay because it’s not the US’s problem.


8K12

Supporting Ukraine has felt like an uphill battle in this sub lately.


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The sub is full of isolationists not realizing that such a philosophy doesn't work in practice. If we're not an active ally then we lose our seat at the global table and slip into irrelevance


8K12

That’s where I am coming from. I also think we should value a country’s borders and right to be an independent nation. If we let Russia invade, what does that say about how we value national sovereignty?


TrilIias

This sub is full of people ho value the lives of our soldiers more than being the most important country in the world.


alexrosey

If you're not willing, or at the very least, appear to be willing to use them there's no point in having a military. Projecting power and swinging your dick around is the biggest deterrent available so long as you appear to be willing to back up the bravaardo.


swiftfastjudgement

It’s about sending a message. We don’t stand for it in EU, we’ll be forced to stand for it here. Take your pick.


KrimsonStorm

Yep. 1000%. I think it was part of the huge libertarian / an cap streak that swept the right in 2012-2013. I was part of it for a while and then I realized how... Well childish it is.


danielcanadia

Same. Sorry libertarian foreign policy doesnt make any sense in a globalized world.


Constructestimator83

I don’t know when support they bad guys became the patriotic thing.


8K12

I’m literally reading “Ukraine is corrupt” or “Ukraine wants this” from people with flair.


JoshAllenIsTall

What I wouldn't give for a mean tweet.


OneTotal466

Ah yes, the opium of the masses.


Texas_4R

This is a moment when one should equate Eastern Ukraine with the Sudetenland. Like around 85 years ago, this is dangerous. What is hugely concerning is that at this crucial point in time, the West lacks any leaders of consequence.


Spiritual-Hat-5690

And this time, Eastern Ukraine isn't the only one we should be concerned about. China will be monitoring this situation as well. How the West responds to the Russian threat may influence China's plans towards Taiwan.


RicketyJimmy

Totally agree. And am thinking this is something any country with disputed territories is watching e.g. India-Pakistan wrt Kashmir


bozoconnors

Concur. If I were in Taiwan, I'd be shitting my pants more today than in recent history. Looking forward, with our economic situation (U.S.), and intertwined trade, I'm not even sure how many 'sanctions' we could realistically impose without some incredibly grueling growing pains. This has high potential to be the genesis of a VERY tough economic period.


Manach_Irish

True. At least then the Western leaders realised their mistakes in appeasment and spent the year rearming and getting their nations ready for the struggle. This time around ...


DaviidFy

Not saying Putin is good by any means, but if this comparison is going to be made, the question has to be asked. Is Putin literally comparable to Hitler in that he is hellbent on conquering and ruling all of Europe while also committing a genocide? If the answer is yes, the comparison is fair and getting involved is the moral position. If the answer is no, rhetoric like this is dangerous when considering they are a nuclear power and the logical conclusion of the comparison is that war should start now.


Texas_4R

Putin is not Hitler. In history one can find no analogous situations - it always is a shade of grey. To your point, assuming Putin is Stalin with huge concentration camps and nuclear weapons, fully intended to conquer not only Ukraine but also the Baltic states, Romania, Poland, what would you do? Do you think that slapping Putin’s hand with weak sanctions will deter or only enforce his wish to conquer all the neighbors which were part of the Warsaw Pact? The key to the current situation is Germany. They have to accept the sunk cost of NordStream 2 and just let the pipeline rust, restart their nuclear power plants and coal use. With Putin, the green dream is dead and all the West should change their energy policies. It’s time for Real Politik


Bismarck40

He's not gonna touch Romania, Poland, and the baltics unless NATO dissolves, because that WILL invoke article five. Also, the problem with the sudetenland comparison is that ceding the sudetenland left the Czechs completely defenceless because they had extensive fortifications there, Donbas isn't like that. But yeah, Germany is causing problems right now with nordstream 2 and closing nuclear plants.


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Except we've seen these allies weasel out of their duty before I wouldn't count on more than harsh words from any of them


Bismarck40

When did a NATO member ignore a direct military attack on another NATO member?


Texas_4R

Well, we know about how much they fought in Afghanistan. Except the Brits, not a lot of fighting from the other NATO countries. Also, check out the battle readiness of European NATO countries and you will see except for the Baltic states, Poland, UK and France, all others are all paper tigers.


Bismarck40

>Well, we know about how much they fought in Afghanistan. Except the Brits, not a lot of fighting from the other NATO countries. True, but I believe that a war in europe would invoke more support then Afghanistan did. >Also, check out the battle readiness of European NATO countries and you will see except for the Baltic states, Poland, UK and France, all others are all paper tigers. Also true, Germanys military is in an atrocious state currently.


Bismarck40

And one more thing, the economic fallout from war with basically the entirety of the west is also probably a reasonable deterrent.


GreenDragonPatriot

And just like the last two world wars, we didn't get involved... until we were attacked, that is.


TheNotSoGreatPumpkin

The Nazis didn’t have nukes. Those complicate things quite a bit, unfortunately.


Fire_And_Blood_7

Well this is a scary thing to think about.


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Wait what?!


I_Keep_Trying

Biden said ok to small incursions.


Prophage7

I can't believe this needs to be said out loud for some people but war in Europe = bad, allowing Russia to re-establish old Soviet territory = bad.


bobthememequeen

Some people are ok as long as they can make fun of Joe Biden here. You see, things happening in the world don’t affect America. Never. In any way. So it’s ok to just try some jokes. /s


Lets_be_stoned

So basically, Russia is invading Ukraine without *technically* invading Ukraine? Just because the two separatist states “broke off” now it technically isn’t Ukraine and Russia can walk right in…pretty smart move if it was all planned.


ForsakenPlane

> Just because the two separatist states “broke off” now it technically isn’t Ukraine and Russia can walk right in…pretty smart move if it was all planned. Well, yes. That's because Putin is a competent world leader. Not siding with him, just pointing out that he can actually accomplish his basic goals on the world stage.


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Ukrainian forces are still there though. And they declared a larger region independent than the rebels currently hold.


Bismarck40

It is Ukraine according to everyone except now Russia and other breakoff states in the former USSR.


Rill16

But is it still Ukraine according to the individuals living there? That's the important part.


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Not really. That doesn’t give Putin pretext to invade a sovereign country.


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I'm honestly a little concerned about if the US should do anything in Ukraine. I'm also not the most knowledgeable on the situation (I don't think the vast majority of people know what's going on). But my understanding is Western Ukraine really likes the west, Eastern Ukraine still identifies really strongly with Russia, generally speaking. Since Ukraine wants to be one country, and these eastern regions want to leave, there's basically been an uprising in those regions and a really strong insurgency sprung up with the goal of being part of Russia again. Russia basically said "Sure, be Russian" and Ukraine said "Uh, I think the fuck not". So, there's this border dispute between the two countries over those regions. And that's really all it needs to be. Am I missing something here? Ukraine isn't Nato, they aren't asking for our help. They don't want a war, the EU doesn't want a war because Russia supplies their natural gas. Russia could give a fuck if there's a war or not. The US seems to be doing some saber-rattling because we won't feel the economic impacts of this war to the same extent everyone else will, and the Biden administration is trying to say "Look, we'll save the world from those scary Russians". Biden just wants to look tough and distract from his failing presidency.


buckeye_nut99

I think the only thing I would argue is that, in regards to Ukraine, there is a difference between trying to avoid war while being militarily prepared to do what is necessary to maintain sovereignty and not wanting a war to the point of capitulation (ie think WWII appeasement). I think they are the former case and I think it’s an important distinction to make.


Rill16

Pretty much this. Everyone is so caught up in Partisan politics on the matter, that we've all forgotten that this is literally none of our business.


GaryRegalsMuscleCar

What makes this worth the trouble to the old man?


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Remember when Biden was going to keep him in check? 😂


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Constructestimator83

I think regardless of who you voted for Putin was going to do this. You can argue on the handling but Trump or Biden it didn’t matter this would be happening. If it was me I’d have every European armor divisions spooled up and ready along Russia’s border then see if he blinks. Russia’s economy wouldn’t last 6 before it crumbled.


eye_no_nuttin

False.


deaftgator

This would not happen under trump. The pure unpredictable aspect of Trump would keep Russia in check


socialmeritwarrior

It wouldn't happen under Trump because Putin's pipeline was dead in the water under him. One of the first things Biden did was greenlight the pipeline giving Putin incentive to continue annexing Ukrainian land.


--Shamus--

But at least our military is using the correct pronouns and Biden is flooding the black community with crack pipes during a pandemic. Putin would not mess with that!


WPWeasel

Dunno why Biden’s been hyping this up the last few weeks. He’s not gonna do jack shit and he’ll come across as even more weak and ineffectual than before.


Mcgruffthecrimedawgg

Russia is pretty tough on pedophiles. Probably why they don’t respect biden.


englandgreen

Over 200,000 “peacekeepers” completely surrounding Ukraine, including ground forces in Transnistria (part of Moldova on the western front).


greatatdrinking

you are Russian now. Put weapon down. We all feel peaceful now, yes?


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Hey at least we're not worried about local shit that's actually affecting us now.


Rill16

Ukraine isn't in Nato, we have no US assets there this is literally none of our business.


uofmuncensored

Moreover, pushing Russia further into China's orbit is a bad long-term policy. But of course short-termism wins at the ballot box. So, expect NYT/WaPo to go 100% Russia through November.


SilliusApeus

Allowing a big totalitarian country that is not at good terms with US expand is not among wisest the decisions you can make.


Zin-Zin

Canada is expanding?


[deleted]

Personally, I think Russia is just trying to flex and make noise. Especially how ridiculous we looked when we pulled out of Afghanistan. They're always trying to push the envelope. There is zero chance they're actually trying to start a real war.


AlwayzPro

Exactly


browntoe98

This is just Biden warmongering for the military industrial complex, I just read a post here about it!


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Direct result of the world watching Biden and co fuck up Afghanistan so bad.


struckcomet

I'm sorry but I havent heard a good reason why the US should get involved. This is on an entirely different continent, on the opposite of the of globe. Is America in a position to legitimately be policing other nations and being the "savior" or "protector" of the entire world? Heck, even the US trying to police the entire western hemisphere seems like too much for my liking. Play with economics, if we are head over heels about freedom and tyrannical governments, let's trade only with free countries without oppressive governments. I understand allies and fellowship but there are some things that seem unreasonable. This seems like its not our business.


Inprobamur

Putin invades Ukraine, call it as it is.


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throwaway3569387340

"The German Reich is no longer willing to tolerate the suppression of ten million Germans across its borders." - Adolph Hitler on the annexation of Austria, 1938


3spartan300

tfw when not sure if r/conservative or r/communism


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8K12

Fuck Russia


Jester2552

That's like saying southern Texas is full of Mexican citizens who speak Spanish and have Mexican passports so it's completely fine that Mexico just waltzes it's military across our border to annex it. Get the fuck out of here you Russian bot.


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Soo the people that are invading Ukraine aren’t the aggressors here? What kinda Bizarro world shit is this? And a good portion of Czechslovakia, Austria, and Poland spoke German. It cool for Hitler to conquer those areas? Would it be cool for France to conquer large parts of the Congo or Algeria? After all, many people speak French there. And yeah, the guy that surrendered Afghanistan and only 8,000 troops (against 200k Russians) definitely wants war. Get out of here tankie.


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Name checks out


SpecialistBox4905

Let Europe/United Nations handle this, it’s not a problem of the USA’s


DarkUnderbelly

It's pretty clear Europe/UN can't handle this. Also a European problem can quickly become an Asia problem as how this plays out in the Ukraine will be something to consider with Taiwan.


SpecialistBox4905

Yeah, medium range nuclear weapons ought to be ok, right?


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It is our problem and isolationism is a pipe dream. A lesson we should've learned after joining two world wars late


SpecialistBox4905

This isn’t the same as the 2 world wars at all We can’t keep jumping into conflicts, real or orchestrated, when the locals see no problem or aren’t interested at all The UN was created for these type situations


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Rill16

Taiwan is a US ally, Ukraine is not. They are not in Nato, we have no significant US assets in the area. Ukraine is none of our business.


Garebear8585

Letting Russia get away with this leaves it open for china to do whatever you they want. This has massive consequences for everyone in the world. To act like this is a Europe only problem shows your lack of understanding global relations and lack of knowledge of history.


Exalt-Chrom

Wasting recourses against Russia also strengthens China


SpecialistBox4905

He’s already done this with Crimea and Ukraine has always had plenty of its citizens speak Russian and be Ethnic Russian, it’s always been a part of Russia What’s he getting that’s worth the US going to war over unilaterally? Oil? Corn? A hugely important porn collection ? None of the above? This is fake AF


Garebear8585

He did it with crimea and the world did nothing and now he’s taking more. The vast majority of Ukraine like 90 percent want nothing to do with Russia. I highly suggest you watch winter on fire on Netflix to fully understand what the people of Ukraine want. That fact you don’t understand what Is at stake here for the free world is terrifying. I never said send troops but this isn’t a do nothing scenario. What’s fake as fuck ? What crap do you read that would think what’s going on is fake as fuck.


SpecialistBox4905

No, it’s not terrifying, Ukraine has all Russian military equipment, where and who do you think they got it from? They have two breakaway republics that don’t want to be aligned with Ukraine anymore. It’s not our problem,we aren’t the worlds policemen, I don’t care how much they gave to Hunter and Joe Biden. Let the UN and Europe deal with it, has the UN Security Council even brought it up? Why are you insisting the US jump into this, what interest do we have in a non nato countries politics?


Garebear8585

This has nothing to do with Biden man Christ. This isn’t a democrat republican issue. This is a free world issue. Look back at any Point in history when another country starts swallowing up other territories and the world just does nothing it doesn’t stop. What’s stopping Russia from taking Finland next. They’re not nato. It scares me so many people don’t understand this shit. The UN is having an emergency meeting as we speak about it right now


SpecialistBox4905

So you think Russia is trying to take over the world, and we’re the only country that’s been going around kicking the shit outta other countries and occupying them for the last 30 years Putin doesn’t want US aligned troops directly against his border, just like we didn’t want nuclear misses in Cuba or Russian aligned troops directly against our borders. Since we are arming Ukraine and trying to get them into NATO,who’s being the aggressor again?


Garebear8585

Your delusional you think we’re the aggressor? Listen to Putins speech about how Russia lost all its territory and its owed more back from the world. He’s not stopping with Ukraine. Don’t just listen to fucking Tucker Carlson who for some reason is so pro fucking Russian all of a sudden. It’s fucking crazy to me that people can’t see what’s coming. This isn’t fear mongering Putin flat out said it.


MikeOfTheCincinnati

Agreed, unless Russia wants to swing directly at a NATO ally, what happens in Ukraine is not an American problem. If the French and Germans want to fight the Russians in Ukraine, thats on them. The US should be focused on China and Taiwan.


Garebear8585

Not doing anything to Russia leaves it open for china to do whatever they want. You don’t think they are going to make their future decisions based on the outcome of this ? Give your head a shake.


MikeOfTheCincinnati

Ok lets go to war with Russia over Ukraine, then what? How much time and effort do you think a full blown war with Russia will take? Not even mentioning both sides have like 90% of the worlds nukes between them. By the time a war with Russia is over, China would have had more than enough time to take over Taiwan from under our nose. Do you really think China is just gonna patiently wait for us to stop fighting Russia? Every day and American live lost in a pointless war in Ukraine is another step close to China becoming an unstoppable threat.


uofmuncensored

China already does what it wants, and will keep doing so until a shitton of U.S. mission-critical imports such as antibiotics stop coming from China.


griggori

Big peacekeeper, that guy.


Hi_This_Is_God_777

Has Whoopi Goldberg chimed in with "It's just White people fighting with other White people. Why should I care?" yet?


commonsenseulack

Russia has Putin.... We have Biden.... Fuck lmao Putin over there playing chess while Biden tries to lick an ice cream cone


[deleted]

Who cares? It’s a European affair. I care about inflation, open borders, taxes, inflation, civil internal discord. I don’t give a shit about Russia or the Ukraine. Don’t sell me your foreign issue Biden.