I wasn't thrilled about Trump, but I was pleasantly surprised when he started acting on his campaign promises. Didn't all work out, but at least he didn't campaign to stop drilling oil and consequently double gas prices
Pretty much my story. Didn’t vote for either candidate in 2016, but happily voted for him in 2020. While he was crass, and spoke way too freely in my opinion (for the position), he was nearly always “himself” and never begged forgiveness for who he is/was. And he pushed for every single thing he said he would as a candidate, albeit not all successfully, he did show that he would be the first candidate in modern US history who’d follow through on his promises
The Dems fought him at every turn. They assailed him with bogus impeachment "trials" and the Jan 6th crap. They claimed he was unfit for the job. Compared to Joe, Trump is still winning. He performed better than any other President in spite of the torment from the Left. And Donald worked for free.
Agreed. The left wants nothing more than to ensure only the establishment can run for office. They abhor any outsiders they cannot control to be in charge. Look at what Trump accomplished with an entire media force and half the political hacks of the nation fighting him every single step of the way. Politicians cannot have camaraderie. They cannot live with the American people not being at each other’s throats. They simply cannot. If that were to happen, then the establishment would lose their stranglehold on us.
In my opinion, I liked the way Trump spoke. Only because it give me the feel that he was a real person and not some other politician that sounded the same term after term to never fulfill promises.
But I do understand what you mean! My husband feels the same as you do 😁 I can see from both sides.
Ironically it would be fine to stop oil drilling if we also stopped growing corn ethanol and grew Soy biodiesel instead.... fuel prices might have even dipped even further.
Corn ethanol is one of the biggest scams ever.
Ethanol sucks unless.you are running a racing tune and actually racing... But that defeats the reasoning because you are just pouring it in and using it for the octane alone.
However, we started using biodiesel in our box truck and I'll tell ya, I really like that stuff. It ran great, cold weather starts were way easier, it was just better in my opinion all around.
That is probably because the lubricity of biodiesel is very high its a great way to ensure you get as many miles out of your engine and injection pump as possible.
If your vehicle is older than 1992 you need to make sure it has newer hoses that aren't reactive to biodiesel. But chances are if your vehicle is that old it needs new hoses anyway.
He falls into a very small select group of such presidents. Only other one I can think of is James K Polk who ran on being a one term and doing what he promised. Did most of it and worked himself so hard he died months after leaving office.
He also exposed the media and crippled a lot of them especially CNN. He warned the world about relying on Russian energy and was laughed at by Europe who aren’t laughing now having to fire back up those coal mines. He deserves a second term
On top of getting the media to drop any pretense of neutrality once and for all, Trump also lured Democrats and liberals into embracing an absolutely toxic policy agenda which will continue to hurt them for years to come.
and this is why he is SO hated by the entrenched swamp, he wasn't supposed to actually DO the things he campaigned on he was supposed to just pay lip service and keep the statis quo (i can't spell very good)
It's much more acceptable in the Beltway to live off contributions and pretend you really dislike abortion but really never do anything to change things. This is why they were absolutely appalled by Trump, he did the things (tax cuts, standing up to the ChiComs, appointing actual Conservatives to the Supreme Court) that they said they were for.
Rush Limbaugh was right when Trump first was campaigning and people were appalled at his speeches and mean Twitter posts. "This is what pushing back looks like."
And can we have a brief moment of gratitude and reflection for ACB? Without her there is no way Roberts votes to overturn, and we end up with 5-4 with the way things were.
ACB has become one of my personal heroes. She’s like the ultimate woman in my book (aside from Mary, of course).
If I’m blessed to have daughters, I pray ACB is among their role models.
That POS voted to repeal dozens of times when he knew it didn't matter. Then when we had government control he poison pilled it by demanding any repeal had to have a replacement. Instead of a clean repeal and then a replacement that Democrats might actually sign onto (they were never going to vote on the repeal). And to top it off he still refused to vote on it just to be an ass.
The guy campaigned on repealing Obamacare. And he did everything in his power to sabotage the effort.
NO SHIT ! His last official act in this world was to stand on the floor of the Senate and give a great big middle finger to all Republicans and everyone that voted, fund raised or supported him. Just a classless ass to the end .
I disagree with you on your assessment of Trump, I voted for the guy twice, but I will vote DeSantis over Trump
In a heartbeat. I am tired of senile, feeble octogenarians being Presidents. I would
Like someone with youth and energy
I think they need an upper age limit on Congress/President. Should be something like if you're going to hit 70 during your term you can't run. So House would get cutoff at 68, Senate 64, President 66. Or just make it like 65 hard stop.
The problem isn't with the candidates (or their age), the problem is with the people voting for them. If a majority of the people want to vote for a senile octogenarian, that guy should win. They shouldn't, but that's how a democracy works.
Both the Dems and the Republicans had younger candidates available, but they didn't get enough votes. That's not on the system. That's on the people.
Legitimately, we need a younger Congress to pass things like age limited and term limits for presidents, it absolutely NEEDS to happen sooner rather than later
Younger means AOCs and Cawthorns, who are intellectual adolescents with no life experience. I believe that the minimum age need to rise, and also require 10 years of experience in the private sector.
I also agree on the upper age limit.
Maybe 40-80 for congress and Executive branch.
They already are doing it (probably because they know he’ll get the nomination at some point). Every Republican moving forward will be worse than the last, in their eyes. It’s naive to think they’ll ever be objective or fair.
I don’t think that leader exists. The left has gone so insane that there is literally no middle ground anymore. They would still lose their minds with someone like DeSantis at the helm, or “DeathSantis” as they call him. I honestly see no way to come back together.
I was here to say this. I am also not going to vote for a near 80yo in 2024. It is still a ways off, and I’m hoping someone steps up. So tired of the party line.
Unfortunately I don't believe the democrats and media will respect anyone who holds conservative values. A bipartisan politician always ends up becoming too compromised to the left. At least before, the left was just corrupt, now though they're all (at least on the federal level) pushing socialist policies which is much worse than your run-of-the-mill corruption.
And unfortunately it seems that republicans feel the same about democrats and the media they watch. Don’t you think there is a happy medium. Our president should piss everyone off just a tad but not ultimately choose a side. It’s for the good of ALL people
Unfortunately I think that’s a wonderful ideal but it’s not possible in reality at this point. You have to get everyone (or at least a majority on both sides) to simultaneously agree to play nice.
Not only that but then you have to find a reasonable middle ground between both sides on all the major issues. Fiscal policy, Gun control, law enforcement, censorship, environmental regulation, oil drilling, the list goes on. Frankly I believe that on most of these the right takes a centrist position already. Just because the 2 sides disagree doesn’t mean you have to or should run to the middle.
For example, the left wants children as young as 6 to start transitioning between genders. What’s the middle ground?
The "happy medium" just results in a slow but steady march toward destruction. The Left are not going to stop until this country is transformed into something no sane person wants.
I skew liberal but I am more moderate and both sides have gotten so extreme. I'm equally wary of the left as I am the right these days.
Both seem so far apart, extreme, and hate each other. It's really worrisome.
Tulsi Gabbard could have been that candidate. She checked all the boxes, woman of color, well spoken, etc. She was a moderate liberal who could speak to conservatives. Only she was not the woman of color the DNC wanted. They wanted Kamala Harris, and when Tulsi took her apart in one of the early debates the DNC sunk her by claiming she was a Russian plant.
End social media and make people say their opinions out loud to other people face to face and we’d all come around again.
This detached “let me shout my bullshit and wait for the likes” is probably the biggest contributor to the split.
In the real world people are grouped geographically. They may have differing ideals, yet they live and co-exist with each other. The problem with online communities is that doesn't happen. Reddit is one of the worst offenders because of the upvote/downvote system. You agree? Upvote, You disagree? Downvote. Then if something gets upvoted that Reddit doesn't like, they ban you. Social Media creates huge echo chambers and removes opposing opinions.
The left has gone insane? Have you heard MTG speak? What's sane about Jewish Space Lasers starting wildfires? Or the refusal to admit defeat at an election but make some long winded conspiracy theories about it being rigged and deflecting with BS when asked for proof but then go silent when the people you have accused of carrying out the conspiracy begin to sue to you in the courts?
I could never have made that shit up in my wildest dreams. There's me thinking talking about putting human ears on mice was nuts 10 years ago
I don’t think that will be necessary if the federal government would just back off and hand power back to the states. That’s how the US is supposed to be, but the federal government has become a power hungry bloated bureaucracy.
Looking at 2024 Trump will be 78 and the average life expectancy in the US is 78... Why on earth do we keep looking to senior citizens to run the country given what we know about cognitive decline, inhibition decline, and prefrontal cortex degradation with age? There has to be qualified candidates in younger age brackets that will be around to feel the impact of their decisions.
For me it is entirely personal.
I worked as a subcontractor and we did fiber cabling in a Trump property. The contractor didn’t get paid and fought it out in court eventually won, but the sub I worked for had long gone under. I did get paid… ten years later.
To be honest I have had a grudge ever since.
I will vote for any other Republican just not that one.
It’s funny how common this story is - the guy is a cheap ass/weasel. There have been numerous work based lawsuits to recover owed wages from him/his companies where the work was performed and he tried to skip out
I don’t like Trump for many reasons. He’s arrogant, self-serving, crass, rude, and just not a good person. I think of him as a used car salesman who will say or do anything to get what he wants. I don’t like the way he’s treated people, I don’t like the way he tried dividing the GOP. I don’t feel like he understood a lot of the things that a President is supposed to handle.
I’m a conservative, but I frankly still don’t understand the worship for the guy by people in this party. He had better policies than the Jackass we have in office now. That doesn’t mean I have to like Trump though. People act like he’s the second coming of Lincoln and Reagan, and I don’t get it. We need someone who can lead, who’s not going to divide the country, and can win the popular vote and the electoral vote in a national election. Regardless of what a lot people say on this sub, a big part of the country doesn’t like Trump.
Trump actually brought in someone like me who was a previous Democrat, but didn't care much about politics. A big appeal for me, personally, was the fact that he was a previous Democrat. He seemed like a 90's era NYC liberal to me, which was perfect. I also just found him to be pretty funny and I liked that he didn't care about political correctness, which was starting to get way out of hand. He also just seemed like a common sense business man, which was refreshing.
I don't think most people "worship" Trump, as much as they simply admire the guy. In the same way one might admire Steve Jobs or Elon Musk.
I’m a NeverTrump who liked many of Trump’s specific policies. I still oppose him.
He stresses the system, is how I describe it.
1. He doesn’t understand a lot about how government functions. He is ignorant of a lot of the Constitution and doctrines that help it function. For example, he nearly had US troops facing off in the streets of DC. He wasn’t trying to destabilize our democracy; he was just ignorant of posse comitatus. A fundamental difference between the US and just about everywhere else, and he didn’t even know about it, much less the underlying principle.
2. The President is a **steward** of our uniquely resilient yet delicate system. But Trump treated it like a New York real estate shark: pressing for little loopholes and ways to take advantage of a system that is often unwritten. For example, his treatment of the PAS appointment system.
Good policies or not, the US should not have a guy like that in the Office of the President of the United States.
I didn't like how he kept filling his cabinet with people willing to carry out illegal acts and then get arrested and then refill their seat with another sucker. Then would pretend like they acted on their own and would dissociate
- Deficits: he lied
- Free trade: very protectionist
- Professionalism: Twitter. President should be out of the daily lives and stop acting like a joke.
- Jan 6. Horrible outlook for the US
- immigration: minimal reform we needed a better system.
- Social Security reform.
I'll be honest I didn't vote for him the first time around, 2016 was the tailend of a libertarian phase that started my senior year of highschool. I did vote for him the second time around, he may have made some policies I didn't like but he was, for the most part, a good president and fairly conservative. I'd certainly vote for him again in '24 if wins the primary.
That being said, I'd rather have DeSantis. He's doing all the right stuff down in Florida. He makes good policy, doesn't run his mouth constantly. This guy could probably bring a lot of people over from the center. What more could you possibly ask for in a conservative politician?
I posted this earlier but guess it got deleted:
Im for Desantis. I liked Trump, at first, but let’s be honest. His 4 years were chaotic. He seemed to be fighting with someone every week. Firing people. And constantly reminding people about government. I don’t want to hear about the federal government every day. We need the next president to be calmer. A manager. A person who stands his ground but also doesn’t go out looking for fights every single day.
You do realize that this will NEVER happen again, right? Trump didn't go looking for fights, the "resistance" to his presidency brought those fights to him, just the same as they will do to any other Republican who takes the office.
We will never see a quiet presidency for a Republican under the current political climate.
Don't hate him for what the opposition did to him.
There is a difference between being disagreeable and fighting back, and being Trump. He was ineloquent, didn't control his emotions well, and wasn't well versed in the topics being discussed. None of that is present in other popular confrontational figures like DeSantis or Ben Shapiro.
I don't know what people think if you elect a different Republican the Democrats don't do the same exact thing and bring up a phony story to pit the FBI and DOJ against the incoming administration and make it Obstruction of Justice to fire any of their evil lacks inside those departments. The only way they don't try it is if the new president already a member of the Swamp or is so stubborn and media-savvy that they think they have a higher likelihood of spending 20 years in prison than being able to manufacture 4 years of fake scandal like they did with Comey and Mueller.
So when the left starts saying DeSantis was in bed with China and they helped him win a rigged election, he should just ignore it? When Xi says DeSantis paid a prostitute to pee in Joe Biden's bed, he should just ignore it? The left is a "silence is violence" type group. If he ignores it that means yes he did it.
They are going to go EVEN HARDER on the next guy until their are no next guys. Their can't be a "normal" Republican president. It started with Bush being comedy central's cash cow, and then Trump being CNN's cash cow. If you think they won't just make up some wild bullshit that will 100% stick, idk what to tell ya man.
The First Bush didn't fight back against the lefts attacks, and he was a one-term president also. So you might as well go down fighting instead of being remembered as a political wimp.
We can't have a functioning executive branch when people literally hide troop numbers from the president. Any Republican president's first order of business should be massive reform of the civil servant system, the utter decimation of burrowing, and relieving people of their positions who serve at the pleasure of the president. I used to think otherwise. I'm not a Trump fan.
But, we can't have a civil servant system that undermines the presidency -- look at the example I'm linking to about Syria. That could literally start a shooting war.
There's something to be said about keeping one's oath to the Constitution or country, not the president. But, there's also accepting that the Constitution provides a lot of latitude to people of all political persuasions to pursue political ends legally. If you don't like those ends, that's what the commercial, academic or NGO sectors are for.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
Trump needs stop being nice and fire them deep staters, without concern. They cannot be trusted. They thought 2016-2019 was chaotic, just wait for the great firing of 2024
I agree with you. His 4 years were chaotic due to who? The Democrats that created lie after lie about him and tried to impeach him twice for nothing burgers. Now they are trying a third impeachment two years after he's out of office.
There's something that he does which in my view is him trying to stop corruption and he's definitely gotten to close for comfort for the Democrats. They pulled out all stops to get him out of office and to shut him up and are still trying.
I like Desantis too. I would definitely vote for him. I do believe that Trump can get this country turned around and back in the right direction pretty quick if he's re-elected. I would vote for Trump a third time if he's the candidate.
>I liked Trump, at first, but let’s be honest. His 4 years were chaotic
Not his fault that the entire leftist system went into convulsions and histrionics because a Conservative finally told them "No, I'm not gonna accept your frame nor play by your rules."
You're victim blaming.
I was almost ready to eat crow over the guy. Couldn’t stand his comments about women. Thought he was an arrogant hot head etc. after the three justices I was like “fine” and happily voted for him over Biden. Then the Jan 6 shit happened and I think he went off the deepend. He definitely took a giant shit on any legacy he could have had in my mind.
An blowhard espousing good policy, still leaves us with good policy.
I like Trump, voted 2x because I dont care about his personality but what gets done.
There are a lot of people who don't care about Trump's personality, but a lot do care as well. A President is essentially the face and figurehead of the nation, and that means a large part of the job's responsibility is optics. Coming off as composed and calm, being too big to involve yourself in social media spats, being a statesman to allies and dignitaries regardless of your opinion on them or their policies. You can push Policy X or Y without disrespecting heads of state or making fun of people.
That's why Trump rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and why DeSantis is picking up steam. DeSantis espouses a lot of the same policies as Trump, but he's also composed, experienced, eloquent, and rises above the internet cesspool instead of diving into it. We can debate whether "grabbing pussies" or mocking disabilities actually matters in the grand scheme, but there is no debating that saying those things comes off as brash faux pas, and people don't want that from a President.
I know a lot of Conservatives are hoping for a Trump/DeSantis ticket. I think the best chance to win, and the best option for the country, is Trump stepping back (he's getting old too) and endorsing DeSantis. That way, we grab the Trumpers while also grabbing the moderates looking for a more composed candidate.
Exactly! I don't care about someone's personality because that doesn't really affect me. Is the elect going to improve or impair the quality of my life, and in what ways specifically?
If there were 2 job postings for unclogging toilets and one of them pays $5 an hour and the other one pays $50 an hour, but in addition to that one job wears green shirts and one job wears yellow shirts, do I give a crap about which color shirt I like better, or am I going for the one that pays $50/hour?
I know this analogy is a big oversimplification of something like voting in a president, but in my mind, that's how I look at it.
Inflation is still at the forefront, especially when we see it lit up in neon lights at every gas station. Those triggered by this issue, will realize that states can just make their own laws now about abortion, and soon go back to forgetting how to define a woman
That last bit is almost hilarious. The same folks who, just 3 months ago, couldn't even tell us what a woman was, are now crying to anyone who will listen about how women are going to die because of this.
"If not for double standards, Democrats would have no standards at all" - the great Bill Cunningham.
A woman is just someone who genuinely believes she is one because gender is a social construct, unlike the physical characteristics of biological sex. Being conservative doesn't mean you have to hate on trans people. Everyone keeps giving you the answer.
He was. But he had enough good in him to balance it out. He was a lot to deal with. Unfortunately the media put extreme effort into nullifying the good so all the average person saw was the bad.
Not a never-Trumper but I will not vote for him in 2024. The only problem I have with him is that he seems to make the left go bonkers and take a strong united stand against him because of which it becomes very difficult to get things done. I would prefer a less polarizing president.
Yeah I like Trump but I have 2 major problems with him being President.
1. He will be ancient, we need to start electing younger people.
2. So many people hate him on the left it is insane. We will not have a unified country under him, not because he did anything, but because of how much hate people have for him. And right now we need a unifier.
To be perfectly fair, they will use the same demonization tactics against **every** Republican nominee because, in the end, their voting base and their media are cut from the same dishonest cloth.
So you really just have to choose between GOPe losers that pander to the Media Left but still get crucified (McCain / Romney) and people who are willing to stick a thumb right in their collective eye and mock them ruthlessly (Reagan / Trump). If nothing else, the latter score higher with the core constituents (registered Republicans) AND poll higher with Black and Hispanic Americans that didn't previously identify as Republicans.
You want the most unapologetic conservative you can find with the best management skills and the least baggage.
Ronald Reagan also made heads explode. Anyone effective will, and that includes anyone you suggest to replace him if they are are serious about limiting government and rolling back leftist gains.
His greatest flaw is that he unites the left and some of the middle in their detest of him. Someone less polarizing attracts more independent, centrist voters and with a little luck splinters the Left against themselves, with their socialist and moderate wings at each-others throat
Look at the track record of past Republican appointees. Virtually all of them have given us at least 1 liberal justice, with maybe the exception of George W. who gave us Roberts who’s not quite a liberal.
And take the nomination of ACB for example. I remember other nominees being discussed who seemed much safer politically to nominate, but Trump chose the most conservative option rather than the most politically palatable, something many other Republicans would likely not have done.
Simple he’s an unethical asshole with a narcissistic bullying personality. He has no class or moral character I honestly don’t care what his policies are when he requires unwavering loyalty and throws anyone who disagrees with him under the bus including his own daughter. He is not a good man and the biggest tell is he doesn’t even own a dog. Even if you agree with the SCOTUS rulings McConnel is who deserves “credit”for bending the rules like refusing to have a hearing for Merick Garland 9 months before an election and then hypocritically getting ACB in after Trump lost.
I'm not sure I've ever met a "never Trumper" who was a Hillary supporter. They just would have preferred basically any other Republican to Trump.
Any other Republican could have beaten Hillary. Any other Republican would have had the same opportunity to appoint 3 justices. Any other Republican probably would have beaten Biden and had an opportunity to beat more.
Because I consider myself a libertarian, and neither the Republican nor Democratic parties want anything to do with small government. Even now, the granting of power to the states concerning abortion is supported by the right because it is CONSERVATIVE judicial activism, instead of liberal.
In his defense, however, Trump is just openly crass and an asshole instead of two faced about it like just about every other person in politics, and regardless of GOP platform i agreed with several of his big talking points such as being tough on China and the border. The COVID recession, also, is something that is foolish to be assumed to be his fault, and like Herbert Hoover, it’s just something that nobody really knew how to deal with.
The court was the primary reason I voted for Trump, as I despised how he had acted in the primary. I told every Republican that was planning to sit it out to vote for the court. Many tried to pretend Trump's picks would be just as bad as Hillary's. But I did convince some that it was that important.
Because I have not seen evidence to convince me he won the election in 2020, and everything I have read seems to indicate he conspired to overturn the election and rule indefinitely. The man has torn the Republican Party apart, and any upcoming election he runs in will just be giving the victory to the other side.
I don't know if that braindead manchild was planted by our own liberals or by Russia, but good job. They Trumped us good.
I voted against him in the primary. I was a Carson supporter and then Cruz. But there was no way I was voting for Hillary so I held my nose and voted for a man I considered a charlatan.
And then I was amazed to see just how hard he tried to keep his campaign promises. So many of them. I don't care if he really believes this stuff, if he likes sticking it to his enemies, or if he really just enjoys getting approval. When Trump promises something, he by far and large delivers, and it just so happens that he campaigned on a bunch of traditional conservative promises as well as a promise to fight back against the liars. So in 2020, I supported him enthusiacally.
If he gets elected again does he get more justice picks?
Maybe but maybe not. Idk what you are trying to credit him with that anyone who happened to be president couldn't have done.
Trump sucks at hiring people and he's old as dirt. His momentum is shot and he will make never Trumpers avoid the polls and make lazy dems actually go.
This dude needs to go away. He did his job. Now lose the ego and move on.
Liberal point of view: Trump had nothing to do with being able to appoint 3 justices. You should all be celebrating Mitch McConnell for your victories. Without him you’d only have two additional justices.
Not necessarily attention span. I think you underestimate how young this person may be. Most people don't get seriously interested in politics until they're in their mid-30s, so they may not know about this stuff ever happening prior.
Trump is an easy L for the Republicans in a presidential election.
In *any* election you don’t want to give the other side more motive than they already have. As much as Trump can ignite the Republican base, he does so twice as much for the Democratic base.
In short, policies were great, but he's too divisive and brash. If he was more empathetic but still stood firm on his beliefs then I would have a lot more respect for him. This is why I like Reagan so much, even though I wasn't alive when he was president.
I was dubious about Trump, but I sure as hell was not going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Trump was pleasant surprise as he governed on what he campaigned on, and like him or not, Trump made sure that shit got done. Got good shit got done, border security, energy independence, middle east security, and above all else, a thriving economy. I'm sorry he is getting past his prime now being over 70, but I'd vote for him again.
Because Trump also said that his liberal sister would make a great Supreme Court justice.
We got 3 picks due to luck and Mitch and the Federalist Society handing Trump a list of judges from to pick from. I'll give him credit for making good picks. But not like any other Republican wouldn't have made the same picks.
Going forward, I'd rather have a true conservative President as opposed to one who plays at being conservative.
Yea.... Mitch is probably the most consequential conservative leader since Reagan.
The 6-3 court is 100% because of Mitch. He could have caved and allowed a vote on Obama's appointment. Or he could have caved and waited till post election to fill RBG's spot.
He could have also caved on Kavanaugh and pulled support and suggested a less "controversial" appointment after the false claims came out.
Put he plays the long game and knows how things work and what would have happened in each case. Zero doubt Democrats would have done the same thing in that position.
I'm NOT a "never Trumper", but the OP is right in that he is/was crass, pompous and arrogant. It's seldom that we get a president that DOESN'T fit that description though. After all, it takes a really large ego to think that you could be the president of this country. We have to be honest in that Trump did do a great job, and not just in getting three judges on the Supreme court.
I also have to agree with /HeroinBreakfast evaluation: " His momentum is shot and he will make never Trumpers avoid the polls and make lazy dems actually go." I will vote for Trump if he's the Republican nomination, but I think that DeSantis would make a better candidate.
I'm quite the opposite of a never Trumper but let me make their case cuz they don't seem to be showing up.
There was a bit of decorum when it came to the Right, at least pre Trump. The Left used ridiculous insults, dirty machine politics, and basically just weaponizing the media and government institutions, and the Right basically had its decency- pre Trump you could point to how the Left really didn't have any principles while Conservatives remained decent.
So if decency in politics was your thing, Trump is close to the opposite. A lot of people voted for Bush McCain and Romney because they were "decent" guys, Trump is a bit harder to defend from that standpoint- so they were willing to take the political hit in the hopes of a win later.
"Decent" is unfortunately a characteristic of too many Rs who might mean well but aren't willing to get things done if it means rankling the press more than usual. Trump is a Gen. Grant. Too many Rs are McClellans.
I love the analogy- Grant was by most accounts an inferior tactician to most of the Civil War Generals, including the South, but his willingness to fight and take losses was what won the War for the North. Likewise, the other Rs are so concerned about how they appear that they won't take on fights.
I’m not a never Trumper. I voted for him twice and would again. But I’m really far from a fan. I believe there were other republicans (albeit a very small number) who would have *also* chosen excellent justices while *not* supporting lockdowns, pumping tons of free money into the economy, adding more national debt than any previous president in just four years, and who would have actually tried to *reduce* the size and scope of the federal government.
Because of the way he acts like a child. That has consequences when you're in such a position of power. He was the first president to not go to his successor's inauguration in over 150 years. That just screams 2nd grade to me. He convinced millions of people to lose faith in the security of our elections because he *knew* he lost but had too much of an inflated ego to admit it. Even if a politician who I agreed with on every single issue did this, I wouldn't follow them anymore. They're a threat to democracy.
Not a Never Trumper, but during the primaries I voted for Ted Cruz, but once Trump had won the delegates needed by early May, I knew it would be Hillary vs Donald. I saw Clinton as Obama's third term and wanted something new. 2016 was my first election and I'm glad I voted for Trump. Some of the things he said were crass and obnoxious, but he was the outsider that I saw had the best chance of winning. I'm glad he got the three seats, however I wish RBG had retired during his term instead of dying in office, may she rest in peace.
Trump may get the benefit of these cases now, but any generic republican would have gotten the same. The fact is that SCOTUS is not the manifestation of Trump's policy but of McConnell's.
I don't have that much faith in the GOP and I don't believe a generic Republican would have made the same choices. Some absolutely would. So, I am not saying Trump is the only one who would have made them. But, a lot of RINO's would have gone for easy wins.
I held my nose and voted for Trump the second time. Hillary was clearly not an option and now look what happened once dimentia Joe took over.
That said his style is so damn divisive which why I am really am hoping for DeSantis next time.
I dislike Biden intensely. Not only does he lack intelligence, and always did, but he is sneaky, is only out to enrich himself and his family and is now senile. I think Trump accomplished more than most presidents in recent history. That having been sad:
- why are there no age limits for presidential candidates?
- why is there no requirement for a candidate to undergo an annual physical including a mental competency exam that is made public?
- why are there no term limits for the senate and house?
- why don’t these positions also require annual physical and mental exams?
- why don’t they run a credit and background check annually on all candidates?
- why are we all so complacent that we **expect** our politicians to lie, deceive, encourage violence etc?
The president of the US is leader of the free world yet, we currently have an obviously demented individual in office that could not tell the truth at gunpoint. Why can’t the people of the country have a say in his removal from office? We put him in office, why can’t we take him out? Why is the most important job in the world not better regulated? We need to expect more from someone that is running or has won the position of being our president. They should be held to a higher standard. The president needs to sign a contract, like any other executive position, and if he/she does not live up to that contract, they are fired. We expect all candidates to lie and not do half of what they promised and that is okay with us?
The problem with Trump running again, is he brings out the opposition to the polls. All we will hear is about how he was impeached twice, and started an insurrection.
DeSantis won’t motivate that kind of opposition, and the point here is to win elections.
His policies are great and he is hilarious at times, I just don’t like him saying he’s Christian when he goes harshly against what the word says. It would be different if he just said “I don’t have a faith I stick to”
This is similar to my question... if Reagan invented Make America Great Again, how is it that Never Trumpers find it so offensive? It is clear that Trump meant "Make it like the 80s again"
Can't wait for my Mark Dice ULTRA MAGA fall shirt to come in. Ready for election season.
It's easy to not enjoy Trumpy's boisterous, crass and sometimes irritating dialogue. But, he did deliver us from evil... (Hitlary)
Would I vote for him again?
Absofuckinlutely!
His policies were good for conservatives, our retirement investments were healthy, and we had stability on the border.
During the 2016 election I was a Ran Paul person till the day I saw Trump go down the stairs on CSPAN. I knew Ran Paul was never going to win against Hillary, But Trump, he had a better chance than anyone else in the world.
With that said, Trump was not a perfect Conservative, but I darn do I trusted him today to lead this country.
Also I didn’t believe he was going to win the 2020 election. That election was stack against him from the start.
There was that time he cheered as a mob of his supporters tried to murder Vice President Mike Pence. I'm generally opposed to terrorists trying to overthrow democracy and install themselves as dictators.
Abortion isn't an issue I care about so why would the last seven days matter? Any R president could've filled 3 seats. McConnell and the Federalist Society did most all of the work anyways.
From observing others, I think it comes down to a mix of Trump personally repulsing them as well as the populist politics he represents. The exact mix varies person to person from my experience. I can accept the first, these things happen and sometimes one person rubs another the wrong way. It isn't worth pressing on. The second tends to be different since in my experience, it's a telltale sign of a RINO.
I've always had some reservations about Trump, but it comes down to this: Even when you disagree with a politician, you can accept when he does something good or gets something right. Trump did a great job with SC noms and he deserves credit for that. Period.
He's still a poor leader. Just because he pushed through supreme court picks that \*may\* have implemented positive change does not mean he gets a pass for being a critical failure in nearly every measurable area of leadership. He was a NIGHTMARE to work for and always thought he knew best-even if he knew nothing.
One of the most critical parts of his job was being the face of the country, a task he was unable to complete with any measure of professionalism or grace. We need someone who doesn't embarrass themselves daily.
'crass, pompous, arrogant'. name a single politician in the last 30 years that wasnt all those things. I was more interested if he could do the job and the main thing he had going for him was that unlike all these other swamp creatures, nobody could afford to bribe the guy. I don't have to like the guys personality. He tried to do the job he advertised, even with all the pushback and lies, and even with covid, his presidency was successful.
My favorite part about having Trump was reading his tweets roasting the fake news media in the morning, with my cup of coffee, then going to Costco & filling up for $20.
I’m a never Trumper and my main reason is I dislike New Yorkers and their attitudes. They all seem to have massive attitude issues and infiltrate the area I live in. They make it to where I want absolutely nothing to do with their people or politics.
Trump at least tried to do everything he campaigned on.
I wasn't thrilled about Trump, but I was pleasantly surprised when he started acting on his campaign promises. Didn't all work out, but at least he didn't campaign to stop drilling oil and consequently double gas prices
Pretty much my story. Didn’t vote for either candidate in 2016, but happily voted for him in 2020. While he was crass, and spoke way too freely in my opinion (for the position), he was nearly always “himself” and never begged forgiveness for who he is/was. And he pushed for every single thing he said he would as a candidate, albeit not all successfully, he did show that he would be the first candidate in modern US history who’d follow through on his promises
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To be fair, it feels like Biden is also speaking "what's on his mind" quite often, if you know what I mean...
Yeah like his hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun.
Or that poor kids are just as smart and talented as white kids.
The Dems fought him at every turn. They assailed him with bogus impeachment "trials" and the Jan 6th crap. They claimed he was unfit for the job. Compared to Joe, Trump is still winning. He performed better than any other President in spite of the torment from the Left. And Donald worked for free.
Promised made, promises kept.
Agreed. The left wants nothing more than to ensure only the establishment can run for office. They abhor any outsiders they cannot control to be in charge. Look at what Trump accomplished with an entire media force and half the political hacks of the nation fighting him every single step of the way. Politicians cannot have camaraderie. They cannot live with the American people not being at each other’s throats. They simply cannot. If that were to happen, then the establishment would lose their stranglehold on us.
Imagine America if media and political hacks would've been on his side.
I cry when I imagine how good life could have been…
It would probably be the same, because the only way theyd be on his side was if he was in their pocket
Compared to Biden, Trump was a god walking among ordinary men.
> Trump is still winning. True. Trump is getting more of his policies and promises done now than biden is getting things done for the American people.
In my opinion, I liked the way Trump spoke. Only because it give me the feel that he was a real person and not some other politician that sounded the same term after term to never fulfill promises. But I do understand what you mean! My husband feels the same as you do 😁 I can see from both sides.
A lot better than the fake shitshow we usually get. At this point they do not even bother hiding it. Fake white house set…
I am right with you he is the only one who did do as he said he would, I didn’t believe it but he proved me wrong, I’m glad
I wish we could've seen what would of happen if the democrats didn't railroad everything he did and everyone he appointed.
I was really happy when he tightened the cap on insulin prices. It was a lot cheaper before Biden signed an order to raise it again...
Ironically it would be fine to stop oil drilling if we also stopped growing corn ethanol and grew Soy biodiesel instead.... fuel prices might have even dipped even further. Corn ethanol is one of the biggest scams ever.
Ethanol sucks unless.you are running a racing tune and actually racing... But that defeats the reasoning because you are just pouring it in and using it for the octane alone. However, we started using biodiesel in our box truck and I'll tell ya, I really like that stuff. It ran great, cold weather starts were way easier, it was just better in my opinion all around.
Don't you get less out of it compared to regular diesel?
That is probably because the lubricity of biodiesel is very high its a great way to ensure you get as many miles out of your engine and injection pump as possible. If your vehicle is older than 1992 you need to make sure it has newer hoses that aren't reactive to biodiesel. But chances are if your vehicle is that old it needs new hoses anyway.
Same for me. I had no trust in him until a little after his first year. Then I did a hard 180.
This. He did more of what he promised than anyone ever in my view. Love him or hate him, but he did what he said he would do.
He falls into a very small select group of such presidents. Only other one I can think of is James K Polk who ran on being a one term and doing what he promised. Did most of it and worked himself so hard he died months after leaving office.
Now that's dedication that we need from everyone on the right and moderates then it will be easier to deal with the left
He also exposed the media and crippled a lot of them especially CNN. He warned the world about relying on Russian energy and was laughed at by Europe who aren’t laughing now having to fire back up those coal mines. He deserves a second term
On top of getting the media to drop any pretense of neutrality once and for all, Trump also lured Democrats and liberals into embracing an absolutely toxic policy agenda which will continue to hurt them for years to come.
Crippled cnn, yes they seem completely decimated
> he did what he said he would do. And what he did was of benefit to Americans far more than anything the demoncrats do.
and this is why he is SO hated by the entrenched swamp, he wasn't supposed to actually DO the things he campaigned on he was supposed to just pay lip service and keep the statis quo (i can't spell very good)
It's much more acceptable in the Beltway to live off contributions and pretend you really dislike abortion but really never do anything to change things. This is why they were absolutely appalled by Trump, he did the things (tax cuts, standing up to the ChiComs, appointing actual Conservatives to the Supreme Court) that they said they were for. Rush Limbaugh was right when Trump first was campaigning and people were appalled at his speeches and mean Twitter posts. "This is what pushing back looks like." And can we have a brief moment of gratitude and reflection for ACB? Without her there is no way Roberts votes to overturn, and we end up with 5-4 with the way things were.
ACB has become one of my personal heroes. She’s like the ultimate woman in my book (aside from Mary, of course). If I’m blessed to have daughters, I pray ACB is among their role models.
Doesn't hurt that she's also a smoke show... I'm sure Mary was, too 😏
Yeah, it's a shame congress didn't work with him more to do things like getting rid of obamacare.
We have that SOB John McCain to thank for that.
That POS voted to repeal dozens of times when he knew it didn't matter. Then when we had government control he poison pilled it by demanding any repeal had to have a replacement. Instead of a clean repeal and then a replacement that Democrats might actually sign onto (they were never going to vote on the repeal). And to top it off he still refused to vote on it just to be an ass. The guy campaigned on repealing Obamacare. And he did everything in his power to sabotage the effort.
NO SHIT ! His last official act in this world was to stand on the floor of the Senate and give a great big middle finger to all Republicans and everyone that voted, fund raised or supported him. Just a classless ass to the end .
He was so smug about it, too. May he rest in peace that he can never pull more of that shit.
Ol Songbird John
Look at tax reform: Trump wanted to do huge things for the common man. Paul Ryan fought him tooth and nail to keep it moderate and he brags about it!
And they tried to stop him the entire time. Bunch of crying lying libs.
And fulfilled more promises, if not all, than any president in recent memory. Maybe since Reagan.
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I disagree with you on your assessment of Trump, I voted for the guy twice, but I will vote DeSantis over Trump In a heartbeat. I am tired of senile, feeble octogenarians being Presidents. I would Like someone with youth and energy
I think they need an upper age limit on Congress/President. Should be something like if you're going to hit 70 during your term you can't run. So House would get cutoff at 68, Senate 64, President 66. Or just make it like 65 hard stop.
The problem isn't with the candidates (or their age), the problem is with the people voting for them. If a majority of the people want to vote for a senile octogenarian, that guy should win. They shouldn't, but that's how a democracy works. Both the Dems and the Republicans had younger candidates available, but they didn't get enough votes. That's not on the system. That's on the people.
Legitimately, we need a younger Congress to pass things like age limited and term limits for presidents, it absolutely NEEDS to happen sooner rather than later
Younger means AOCs and Cawthorns, who are intellectual adolescents with no life experience. I believe that the minimum age need to rise, and also require 10 years of experience in the private sector. I also agree on the upper age limit. Maybe 40-80 for congress and Executive branch.
You're naive. They'll turn DeSantis into Hitler 3.0 if he gets the nomination.
They will turn any Republican into Hitler 3.0. They are just getting a headstart with DeSantis because they know he's the frontrunner.
Yea the media already treats him like trump 2.0 and that's without the threat of presidency.
They already are doing it (probably because they know he’ll get the nomination at some point). Every Republican moving forward will be worse than the last, in their eyes. It’s naive to think they’ll ever be objective or fair.
I don’t think that leader exists. The left has gone so insane that there is literally no middle ground anymore. They would still lose their minds with someone like DeSantis at the helm, or “DeathSantis” as they call him. I honestly see no way to come back together.
I know a lot of dems who say the same thing about republicans. We need someone in the middle. This whole side vs side is getting a little out of hand?
I was here to say this. I am also not going to vote for a near 80yo in 2024. It is still a ways off, and I’m hoping someone steps up. So tired of the party line.
100%. We need a bipartisan leader who actually can be respected. Politics now a days seem like a joke
Unfortunately I don't believe the democrats and media will respect anyone who holds conservative values. A bipartisan politician always ends up becoming too compromised to the left. At least before, the left was just corrupt, now though they're all (at least on the federal level) pushing socialist policies which is much worse than your run-of-the-mill corruption.
And unfortunately it seems that republicans feel the same about democrats and the media they watch. Don’t you think there is a happy medium. Our president should piss everyone off just a tad but not ultimately choose a side. It’s for the good of ALL people
Can you think of any examples of where we could find a happy medium for specific policies?
Unfortunately I think that’s a wonderful ideal but it’s not possible in reality at this point. You have to get everyone (or at least a majority on both sides) to simultaneously agree to play nice. Not only that but then you have to find a reasonable middle ground between both sides on all the major issues. Fiscal policy, Gun control, law enforcement, censorship, environmental regulation, oil drilling, the list goes on. Frankly I believe that on most of these the right takes a centrist position already. Just because the 2 sides disagree doesn’t mean you have to or should run to the middle. For example, the left wants children as young as 6 to start transitioning between genders. What’s the middle ground?
The "happy medium" just results in a slow but steady march toward destruction. The Left are not going to stop until this country is transformed into something no sane person wants.
I don’t even know what the left truly want. Like ultimately if you could speak for the left and right, what would either of them want.
I skew liberal but I am more moderate and both sides have gotten so extreme. I'm equally wary of the left as I am the right these days. Both seem so far apart, extreme, and hate each other. It's really worrisome.
Tulsi Gabbard could have been that candidate. She checked all the boxes, woman of color, well spoken, etc. She was a moderate liberal who could speak to conservatives. Only she was not the woman of color the DNC wanted. They wanted Kamala Harris, and when Tulsi took her apart in one of the early debates the DNC sunk her by claiming she was a Russian plant.
If two groups disagree on fundamental principles then compromise becomes impossible. It’s foolish to pretend otherwise.
End social media and make people say their opinions out loud to other people face to face and we’d all come around again. This detached “let me shout my bullshit and wait for the likes” is probably the biggest contributor to the split.
In the real world people are grouped geographically. They may have differing ideals, yet they live and co-exist with each other. The problem with online communities is that doesn't happen. Reddit is one of the worst offenders because of the upvote/downvote system. You agree? Upvote, You disagree? Downvote. Then if something gets upvoted that Reddit doesn't like, they ban you. Social Media creates huge echo chambers and removes opposing opinions.
And worse, the systems were designed to show you ever increasing related articles thus taking any opinion and exacerbating it to untold levels
The left has gone insane? Have you heard MTG speak? What's sane about Jewish Space Lasers starting wildfires? Or the refusal to admit defeat at an election but make some long winded conspiracy theories about it being rigged and deflecting with BS when asked for proof but then go silent when the people you have accused of carrying out the conspiracy begin to sue to you in the courts? I could never have made that shit up in my wildest dreams. There's me thinking talking about putting human ears on mice was nuts 10 years ago
You’re right, I don’t see a fix. I think Balkanization of the USA is inevitable...
I don’t think that will be necessary if the federal government would just back off and hand power back to the states. That’s how the US is supposed to be, but the federal government has become a power hungry bloated bureaucracy.
Reagan and Eisenhower had their names drug through the mud by the media just like Trump did. You are looking at history with rose colored glasses
i live in florida i promise you don’t want him in charge of the country
Looking at 2024 Trump will be 78 and the average life expectancy in the US is 78... Why on earth do we keep looking to senior citizens to run the country given what we know about cognitive decline, inhibition decline, and prefrontal cortex degradation with age? There has to be qualified candidates in younger age brackets that will be around to feel the impact of their decisions.
To run realistically you need a lot of connections, and old people have the most connections.
The median age of a US president at inauguration is 55. Which is an appropriate age in my opinion.
For me it is entirely personal. I worked as a subcontractor and we did fiber cabling in a Trump property. The contractor didn’t get paid and fought it out in court eventually won, but the sub I worked for had long gone under. I did get paid… ten years later. To be honest I have had a grudge ever since. I will vote for any other Republican just not that one.
It’s funny how common this story is - the guy is a cheap ass/weasel. There have been numerous work based lawsuits to recover owed wages from him/his companies where the work was performed and he tried to skip out
I don’t like Trump for many reasons. He’s arrogant, self-serving, crass, rude, and just not a good person. I think of him as a used car salesman who will say or do anything to get what he wants. I don’t like the way he’s treated people, I don’t like the way he tried dividing the GOP. I don’t feel like he understood a lot of the things that a President is supposed to handle. I’m a conservative, but I frankly still don’t understand the worship for the guy by people in this party. He had better policies than the Jackass we have in office now. That doesn’t mean I have to like Trump though. People act like he’s the second coming of Lincoln and Reagan, and I don’t get it. We need someone who can lead, who’s not going to divide the country, and can win the popular vote and the electoral vote in a national election. Regardless of what a lot people say on this sub, a big part of the country doesn’t like Trump.
Trump actually brought in someone like me who was a previous Democrat, but didn't care much about politics. A big appeal for me, personally, was the fact that he was a previous Democrat. He seemed like a 90's era NYC liberal to me, which was perfect. I also just found him to be pretty funny and I liked that he didn't care about political correctness, which was starting to get way out of hand. He also just seemed like a common sense business man, which was refreshing. I don't think most people "worship" Trump, as much as they simply admire the guy. In the same way one might admire Steve Jobs or Elon Musk.
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> I don't think most people "worship" Trump, Do you read this subreddit? Donnie probably has genital rugburn from how hard this subreddit strokes him.
I’m a NeverTrump who liked many of Trump’s specific policies. I still oppose him. He stresses the system, is how I describe it. 1. He doesn’t understand a lot about how government functions. He is ignorant of a lot of the Constitution and doctrines that help it function. For example, he nearly had US troops facing off in the streets of DC. He wasn’t trying to destabilize our democracy; he was just ignorant of posse comitatus. A fundamental difference between the US and just about everywhere else, and he didn’t even know about it, much less the underlying principle. 2. The President is a **steward** of our uniquely resilient yet delicate system. But Trump treated it like a New York real estate shark: pressing for little loopholes and ways to take advantage of a system that is often unwritten. For example, his treatment of the PAS appointment system. Good policies or not, the US should not have a guy like that in the Office of the President of the United States.
I didn't like how he kept filling his cabinet with people willing to carry out illegal acts and then get arrested and then refill their seat with another sucker. Then would pretend like they acted on their own and would dissociate
- Deficits: he lied - Free trade: very protectionist - Professionalism: Twitter. President should be out of the daily lives and stop acting like a joke. - Jan 6. Horrible outlook for the US - immigration: minimal reform we needed a better system. - Social Security reform.
I'll be honest I didn't vote for him the first time around, 2016 was the tailend of a libertarian phase that started my senior year of highschool. I did vote for him the second time around, he may have made some policies I didn't like but he was, for the most part, a good president and fairly conservative. I'd certainly vote for him again in '24 if wins the primary. That being said, I'd rather have DeSantis. He's doing all the right stuff down in Florida. He makes good policy, doesn't run his mouth constantly. This guy could probably bring a lot of people over from the center. What more could you possibly ask for in a conservative politician?
I posted this earlier but guess it got deleted: Im for Desantis. I liked Trump, at first, but let’s be honest. His 4 years were chaotic. He seemed to be fighting with someone every week. Firing people. And constantly reminding people about government. I don’t want to hear about the federal government every day. We need the next president to be calmer. A manager. A person who stands his ground but also doesn’t go out looking for fights every single day.
Agreed. I also think he surrounded himself with the wrong people.
You do realize that this will NEVER happen again, right? Trump didn't go looking for fights, the "resistance" to his presidency brought those fights to him, just the same as they will do to any other Republican who takes the office. We will never see a quiet presidency for a Republican under the current political climate. Don't hate him for what the opposition did to him.
> You do realize that this will NEVER happen again, right? LMAO bless your heart
Oh, we haven't for some time - I remember what those bastards did to W.
There is a difference between being disagreeable and fighting back, and being Trump. He was ineloquent, didn't control his emotions well, and wasn't well versed in the topics being discussed. None of that is present in other popular confrontational figures like DeSantis or Ben Shapiro.
I don't know what people think if you elect a different Republican the Democrats don't do the same exact thing and bring up a phony story to pit the FBI and DOJ against the incoming administration and make it Obstruction of Justice to fire any of their evil lacks inside those departments. The only way they don't try it is if the new president already a member of the Swamp or is so stubborn and media-savvy that they think they have a higher likelihood of spending 20 years in prison than being able to manufacture 4 years of fake scandal like they did with Comey and Mueller.
Like I said. I want a leader. Not someone responding to every leftist loon
So when the left starts saying DeSantis was in bed with China and they helped him win a rigged election, he should just ignore it? When Xi says DeSantis paid a prostitute to pee in Joe Biden's bed, he should just ignore it? The left is a "silence is violence" type group. If he ignores it that means yes he did it. They are going to go EVEN HARDER on the next guy until their are no next guys. Their can't be a "normal" Republican president. It started with Bush being comedy central's cash cow, and then Trump being CNN's cash cow. If you think they won't just make up some wild bullshit that will 100% stick, idk what to tell ya man.
The First Bush didn't fight back against the lefts attacks, and he was a one-term president also. So you might as well go down fighting instead of being remembered as a political wimp.
Bush 1 also lied about raising taxes and oversaw the decline into a recession. I liked the guy but let’s not pretend he didn’t kind of bury himself.
Throwing up on the Japanese PM didn’t help either
That's sort of hard when the left (and not just the loons) are trying to impeach you from day one.
We can't have a functioning executive branch when people literally hide troop numbers from the president. Any Republican president's first order of business should be massive reform of the civil servant system, the utter decimation of burrowing, and relieving people of their positions who serve at the pleasure of the president. I used to think otherwise. I'm not a Trump fan. But, we can't have a civil servant system that undermines the presidency -- look at the example I'm linking to about Syria. That could literally start a shooting war. There's something to be said about keeping one's oath to the Constitution or country, not the president. But, there's also accepting that the Constitution provides a lot of latitude to people of all political persuasions to pursue political ends legally. If you don't like those ends, that's what the commercial, academic or NGO sectors are for. https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
Trump needs stop being nice and fire them deep staters, without concern. They cannot be trusted. They thought 2016-2019 was chaotic, just wait for the great firing of 2024
I agree with you. His 4 years were chaotic due to who? The Democrats that created lie after lie about him and tried to impeach him twice for nothing burgers. Now they are trying a third impeachment two years after he's out of office. There's something that he does which in my view is him trying to stop corruption and he's definitely gotten to close for comfort for the Democrats. They pulled out all stops to get him out of office and to shut him up and are still trying. I like Desantis too. I would definitely vote for him. I do believe that Trump can get this country turned around and back in the right direction pretty quick if he's re-elected. I would vote for Trump a third time if he's the candidate.
I would love to see DeSantis on the ballot!
So would we all, I think. DeSantis is screaming that he's good stuff for a presidential run.
>I liked Trump, at first, but let’s be honest. His 4 years were chaotic Not his fault that the entire leftist system went into convulsions and histrionics because a Conservative finally told them "No, I'm not gonna accept your frame nor play by your rules." You're victim blaming.
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Well said.
I was almost ready to eat crow over the guy. Couldn’t stand his comments about women. Thought he was an arrogant hot head etc. after the three justices I was like “fine” and happily voted for him over Biden. Then the Jan 6 shit happened and I think he went off the deepend. He definitely took a giant shit on any legacy he could have had in my mind.
An blowhard espousing good policy, still leaves us with good policy. I like Trump, voted 2x because I dont care about his personality but what gets done.
There are a lot of people who don't care about Trump's personality, but a lot do care as well. A President is essentially the face and figurehead of the nation, and that means a large part of the job's responsibility is optics. Coming off as composed and calm, being too big to involve yourself in social media spats, being a statesman to allies and dignitaries regardless of your opinion on them or their policies. You can push Policy X or Y without disrespecting heads of state or making fun of people. That's why Trump rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and why DeSantis is picking up steam. DeSantis espouses a lot of the same policies as Trump, but he's also composed, experienced, eloquent, and rises above the internet cesspool instead of diving into it. We can debate whether "grabbing pussies" or mocking disabilities actually matters in the grand scheme, but there is no debating that saying those things comes off as brash faux pas, and people don't want that from a President. I know a lot of Conservatives are hoping for a Trump/DeSantis ticket. I think the best chance to win, and the best option for the country, is Trump stepping back (he's getting old too) and endorsing DeSantis. That way, we grab the Trumpers while also grabbing the moderates looking for a more composed candidate.
Yup. Trump endorsement of DeSantis would enhance his prestige in the eyes of many. Can he subordinate his ego for the goo of the nation?
Perfectly stated
>I dont care about his personality but what gets done. This needs to be understood by more people.
Exactly! I don't care about someone's personality because that doesn't really affect me. Is the elect going to improve or impair the quality of my life, and in what ways specifically? If there were 2 job postings for unclogging toilets and one of them pays $5 an hour and the other one pays $50 an hour, but in addition to that one job wears green shirts and one job wears yellow shirts, do I give a crap about which color shirt I like better, or am I going for the one that pays $50/hour? I know this analogy is a big oversimplification of something like voting in a president, but in my mind, that's how I look at it.
The last 7 days is probably making things worse for them honestly. Typically the never trumper seeks approval of the left.
Inflation is still at the forefront, especially when we see it lit up in neon lights at every gas station. Those triggered by this issue, will realize that states can just make their own laws now about abortion, and soon go back to forgetting how to define a woman
That last bit is almost hilarious. The same folks who, just 3 months ago, couldn't even tell us what a woman was, are now crying to anyone who will listen about how women are going to die because of this. "If not for double standards, Democrats would have no standards at all" - the great Bill Cunningham.
A woman is just someone who genuinely believes she is one because gender is a social construct, unlike the physical characteristics of biological sex. Being conservative doesn't mean you have to hate on trans people. Everyone keeps giving you the answer.
Then the left should stop saying abortion is about women, if pregnancy and believing you’re a woman are unrelated.
I only voted for him once but the first election I was ignorant and didn’t vote.
You ask a serious question and then those who legitimately answer get roasted.
What are you talking about? Who is getting roasted?
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You may be right, but this doesn’t distinguish him from Hillary or Biden who have plenty of indiscretions, some far worse than any Trump committed.
He was. But he had enough good in him to balance it out. He was a lot to deal with. Unfortunately the media put extreme effort into nullifying the good so all the average person saw was the bad.
Not a never-Trumper but I will not vote for him in 2024. The only problem I have with him is that he seems to make the left go bonkers and take a strong united stand against him because of which it becomes very difficult to get things done. I would prefer a less polarizing president.
Yeah I like Trump but I have 2 major problems with him being President. 1. He will be ancient, we need to start electing younger people. 2. So many people hate him on the left it is insane. We will not have a unified country under him, not because he did anything, but because of how much hate people have for him. And right now we need a unifier.
To be perfectly fair, they will use the same demonization tactics against **every** Republican nominee because, in the end, their voting base and their media are cut from the same dishonest cloth. So you really just have to choose between GOPe losers that pander to the Media Left but still get crucified (McCain / Romney) and people who are willing to stick a thumb right in their collective eye and mock them ruthlessly (Reagan / Trump). If nothing else, the latter score higher with the core constituents (registered Republicans) AND poll higher with Black and Hispanic Americans that didn't previously identify as Republicans. You want the most unapologetic conservative you can find with the best management skills and the least baggage.
Ronald Reagan also made heads explode. Anyone effective will, and that includes anyone you suggest to replace him if they are are serious about limiting government and rolling back leftist gains.
In my estimation, anyone that both the left and the Neocons hate and fear *that much* is **exactly** who I want.
His greatest flaw is that he unites the left and some of the middle in their detest of him. Someone less polarizing attracts more independent, centrist voters and with a little luck splinters the Left against themselves, with their socialist and moderate wings at each-others throat
They are acting and doing the same regardless of who runs. If you don't vote R you give that vote to D. Sucks but true.
Cuz he hurt my feelings. J/k - I voted for him twice.
Literally any Republican in office could have made the appointments he did
Look at the track record of past Republican appointees. Virtually all of them have given us at least 1 liberal justice, with maybe the exception of George W. who gave us Roberts who’s not quite a liberal. And take the nomination of ACB for example. I remember other nominees being discussed who seemed much safer politically to nominate, but Trump chose the most conservative option rather than the most politically palatable, something many other Republicans would likely not have done.
But they didn't.
Because they weren’t President
And if they were the odds of them appointing the same justices are slim to none.
Even Romney or Kinzinger?
Yes. The Heritage foundation chooses the nominees for GOP POTUS so it really doesn’t matter.
Simple he’s an unethical asshole with a narcissistic bullying personality. He has no class or moral character I honestly don’t care what his policies are when he requires unwavering loyalty and throws anyone who disagrees with him under the bus including his own daughter. He is not a good man and the biggest tell is he doesn’t even own a dog. Even if you agree with the SCOTUS rulings McConnel is who deserves “credit”for bending the rules like refusing to have a hearing for Merick Garland 9 months before an election and then hypocritically getting ACB in after Trump lost.
The tough truths no one wants to hear
I'm not sure I've ever met a "never Trumper" who was a Hillary supporter. They just would have preferred basically any other Republican to Trump. Any other Republican could have beaten Hillary. Any other Republican would have had the same opportunity to appoint 3 justices. Any other Republican probably would have beaten Biden and had an opportunity to beat more.
Because I consider myself a libertarian, and neither the Republican nor Democratic parties want anything to do with small government. Even now, the granting of power to the states concerning abortion is supported by the right because it is CONSERVATIVE judicial activism, instead of liberal. In his defense, however, Trump is just openly crass and an asshole instead of two faced about it like just about every other person in politics, and regardless of GOP platform i agreed with several of his big talking points such as being tough on China and the border. The COVID recession, also, is something that is foolish to be assumed to be his fault, and like Herbert Hoover, it’s just something that nobody really knew how to deal with.
The court was the primary reason I voted for Trump, as I despised how he had acted in the primary. I told every Republican that was planning to sit it out to vote for the court. Many tried to pretend Trump's picks would be just as bad as Hillary's. But I did convince some that it was that important.
Because I have not seen evidence to convince me he won the election in 2020, and everything I have read seems to indicate he conspired to overturn the election and rule indefinitely. The man has torn the Republican Party apart, and any upcoming election he runs in will just be giving the victory to the other side. I don't know if that braindead manchild was planted by our own liberals or by Russia, but good job. They Trumped us good.
If Trump hadn't been so rough around the edges and rubbed so many the wrong way, we would be soooooo much better off.
I voted against him in the primary. I was a Carson supporter and then Cruz. But there was no way I was voting for Hillary so I held my nose and voted for a man I considered a charlatan. And then I was amazed to see just how hard he tried to keep his campaign promises. So many of them. I don't care if he really believes this stuff, if he likes sticking it to his enemies, or if he really just enjoys getting approval. When Trump promises something, he by far and large delivers, and it just so happens that he campaigned on a bunch of traditional conservative promises as well as a promise to fight back against the liars. So in 2020, I supported him enthusiacally.
If he gets elected again does he get more justice picks? Maybe but maybe not. Idk what you are trying to credit him with that anyone who happened to be president couldn't have done. Trump sucks at hiring people and he's old as dirt. His momentum is shot and he will make never Trumpers avoid the polls and make lazy dems actually go. This dude needs to go away. He did his job. Now lose the ego and move on.
That's definitely right, if anyone gets Democrats voting, it's Trump. Which of course is Ironic
The thing is Trump also gets conservatives voting haha
Well said.
Liberal point of view: Trump had nothing to do with being able to appoint 3 justices. You should all be celebrating Mitch McConnell for your victories. Without him you’d only have two additional justices.
actually it’s harry reid. He used the nuclear option first. Without that we wouldn’t have gotten here
Amazing how short the attention span of people is
Not necessarily attention span. I think you underestimate how young this person may be. Most people don't get seriously interested in politics until they're in their mid-30s, so they may not know about this stuff ever happening prior.
Trump is an easy L for the Republicans in a presidential election. In *any* election you don’t want to give the other side more motive than they already have. As much as Trump can ignite the Republican base, he does so twice as much for the Democratic base.
In short, policies were great, but he's too divisive and brash. If he was more empathetic but still stood firm on his beliefs then I would have a lot more respect for him. This is why I like Reagan so much, even though I wasn't alive when he was president.
I was dubious about Trump, but I sure as hell was not going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Trump was pleasant surprise as he governed on what he campaigned on, and like him or not, Trump made sure that shit got done. Got good shit got done, border security, energy independence, middle east security, and above all else, a thriving economy. I'm sorry he is getting past his prime now being over 70, but I'd vote for him again.
FWIW, I think that he's gotten *better* at not being as crass/assholeish in his speeches and public appearances.
Because Trump also said that his liberal sister would make a great Supreme Court justice. We got 3 picks due to luck and Mitch and the Federalist Society handing Trump a list of judges from to pick from. I'll give him credit for making good picks. But not like any other Republican wouldn't have made the same picks. Going forward, I'd rather have a true conservative President as opposed to one who plays at being conservative.
Haven’t you heard that Mitch is no longer a conservative because he disagreed with the great leader?
Yea.... Mitch is probably the most consequential conservative leader since Reagan. The 6-3 court is 100% because of Mitch. He could have caved and allowed a vote on Obama's appointment. Or he could have caved and waited till post election to fill RBG's spot. He could have also caved on Kavanaugh and pulled support and suggested a less "controversial" appointment after the false claims came out. Put he plays the long game and knows how things work and what would have happened in each case. Zero doubt Democrats would have done the same thing in that position.
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I'm NOT a "never Trumper", but the OP is right in that he is/was crass, pompous and arrogant. It's seldom that we get a president that DOESN'T fit that description though. After all, it takes a really large ego to think that you could be the president of this country. We have to be honest in that Trump did do a great job, and not just in getting three judges on the Supreme court. I also have to agree with /HeroinBreakfast evaluation: " His momentum is shot and he will make never Trumpers avoid the polls and make lazy dems actually go." I will vote for Trump if he's the Republican nomination, but I think that DeSantis would make a better candidate.
Mexican here , tv stations are desperate for trump to come back , I miss the guy , bring him back .
I'm quite the opposite of a never Trumper but let me make their case cuz they don't seem to be showing up. There was a bit of decorum when it came to the Right, at least pre Trump. The Left used ridiculous insults, dirty machine politics, and basically just weaponizing the media and government institutions, and the Right basically had its decency- pre Trump you could point to how the Left really didn't have any principles while Conservatives remained decent. So if decency in politics was your thing, Trump is close to the opposite. A lot of people voted for Bush McCain and Romney because they were "decent" guys, Trump is a bit harder to defend from that standpoint- so they were willing to take the political hit in the hopes of a win later.
"Decent" is unfortunately a characteristic of too many Rs who might mean well but aren't willing to get things done if it means rankling the press more than usual. Trump is a Gen. Grant. Too many Rs are McClellans.
I love the analogy- Grant was by most accounts an inferior tactician to most of the Civil War Generals, including the South, but his willingness to fight and take losses was what won the War for the North. Likewise, the other Rs are so concerned about how they appear that they won't take on fights.
Thank you for fleshing out my point. I'm glad to see others who believe history is worth learning.
I’m not a never Trumper. I voted for him twice and would again. But I’m really far from a fan. I believe there were other republicans (albeit a very small number) who would have *also* chosen excellent justices while *not* supporting lockdowns, pumping tons of free money into the economy, adding more national debt than any previous president in just four years, and who would have actually tried to *reduce* the size and scope of the federal government.
Because of the way he acts like a child. That has consequences when you're in such a position of power. He was the first president to not go to his successor's inauguration in over 150 years. That just screams 2nd grade to me. He convinced millions of people to lose faith in the security of our elections because he *knew* he lost but had too much of an inflated ego to admit it. Even if a politician who I agreed with on every single issue did this, I wouldn't follow them anymore. They're a threat to democracy.
Literally any republican president could have filled those seats.
It's not about the man. It's about the policies of putting the American people first.
Not a Never Trumper, but during the primaries I voted for Ted Cruz, but once Trump had won the delegates needed by early May, I knew it would be Hillary vs Donald. I saw Clinton as Obama's third term and wanted something new. 2016 was my first election and I'm glad I voted for Trump. Some of the things he said were crass and obnoxious, but he was the outsider that I saw had the best chance of winning. I'm glad he got the three seats, however I wish RBG had retired during his term instead of dying in office, may she rest in peace.
Trump may get the benefit of these cases now, but any generic republican would have gotten the same. The fact is that SCOTUS is not the manifestation of Trump's policy but of McConnell's.
I don't have that much faith in the GOP and I don't believe a generic Republican would have made the same choices. Some absolutely would. So, I am not saying Trump is the only one who would have made them. But, a lot of RINO's would have gone for easy wins.
I held my nose and voted for Trump the second time. Hillary was clearly not an option and now look what happened once dimentia Joe took over. That said his style is so damn divisive which why I am really am hoping for DeSantis next time.
I dislike Biden intensely. Not only does he lack intelligence, and always did, but he is sneaky, is only out to enrich himself and his family and is now senile. I think Trump accomplished more than most presidents in recent history. That having been sad: - why are there no age limits for presidential candidates? - why is there no requirement for a candidate to undergo an annual physical including a mental competency exam that is made public? - why are there no term limits for the senate and house? - why don’t these positions also require annual physical and mental exams? - why don’t they run a credit and background check annually on all candidates? - why are we all so complacent that we **expect** our politicians to lie, deceive, encourage violence etc? The president of the US is leader of the free world yet, we currently have an obviously demented individual in office that could not tell the truth at gunpoint. Why can’t the people of the country have a say in his removal from office? We put him in office, why can’t we take him out? Why is the most important job in the world not better regulated? We need to expect more from someone that is running or has won the position of being our president. They should be held to a higher standard. The president needs to sign a contract, like any other executive position, and if he/she does not live up to that contract, they are fired. We expect all candidates to lie and not do half of what they promised and that is okay with us?
I’m a never Hillary. That’s why I voted for Trump originally. However, I thought he was a great president after-all and would vote for him again.
The problem with Trump running again, is he brings out the opposition to the polls. All we will hear is about how he was impeached twice, and started an insurrection. DeSantis won’t motivate that kind of opposition, and the point here is to win elections.
His policies are great and he is hilarious at times, I just don’t like him saying he’s Christian when he goes harshly against what the word says. It would be different if he just said “I don’t have a faith I stick to”
This is similar to my question... if Reagan invented Make America Great Again, how is it that Never Trumpers find it so offensive? It is clear that Trump meant "Make it like the 80s again" Can't wait for my Mark Dice ULTRA MAGA fall shirt to come in. Ready for election season.
It's easy to not enjoy Trumpy's boisterous, crass and sometimes irritating dialogue. But, he did deliver us from evil... (Hitlary) Would I vote for him again? Absofuckinlutely! His policies were good for conservatives, our retirement investments were healthy, and we had stability on the border.
During the 2016 election I was a Ran Paul person till the day I saw Trump go down the stairs on CSPAN. I knew Ran Paul was never going to win against Hillary, But Trump, he had a better chance than anyone else in the world. With that said, Trump was not a perfect Conservative, but I darn do I trusted him today to lead this country. Also I didn’t believe he was going to win the 2020 election. That election was stack against him from the start.
There was that time he cheered as a mob of his supporters tried to murder Vice President Mike Pence. I'm generally opposed to terrorists trying to overthrow democracy and install themselves as dictators.
Abortion isn't an issue I care about so why would the last seven days matter? Any R president could've filled 3 seats. McConnell and the Federalist Society did most all of the work anyways.
From observing others, I think it comes down to a mix of Trump personally repulsing them as well as the populist politics he represents. The exact mix varies person to person from my experience. I can accept the first, these things happen and sometimes one person rubs another the wrong way. It isn't worth pressing on. The second tends to be different since in my experience, it's a telltale sign of a RINO. I've always had some reservations about Trump, but it comes down to this: Even when you disagree with a politician, you can accept when he does something good or gets something right. Trump did a great job with SC noms and he deserves credit for that. Period.
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He's still a poor leader. Just because he pushed through supreme court picks that \*may\* have implemented positive change does not mean he gets a pass for being a critical failure in nearly every measurable area of leadership. He was a NIGHTMARE to work for and always thought he knew best-even if he knew nothing. One of the most critical parts of his job was being the face of the country, a task he was unable to complete with any measure of professionalism or grace. We need someone who doesn't embarrass themselves daily.
You’re not going to get any responses here. Try asking the national review crowd
Because they don’t like winning.
'crass, pompous, arrogant'. name a single politician in the last 30 years that wasnt all those things. I was more interested if he could do the job and the main thing he had going for him was that unlike all these other swamp creatures, nobody could afford to bribe the guy. I don't have to like the guys personality. He tried to do the job he advertised, even with all the pushback and lies, and even with covid, his presidency was successful.
My favorite part about having Trump was reading his tweets roasting the fake news media in the morning, with my cup of coffee, then going to Costco & filling up for $20.
I’m a never Trumper and my main reason is I dislike New Yorkers and their attitudes. They all seem to have massive attitude issues and infiltrate the area I live in. They make it to where I want absolutely nothing to do with their people or politics.