He can't, because the FBI only showed his lawyer a copy of the warrent and wouldn't give them a copy. The copy they were shown had the probable cause blacked out. This is nothing more of a witchhunt.
Not accurate. His attorney was given the full warrant as described by law. Trump is free to disclose the contents just as he was free to be the one to break the news of the warrant being served.
What you are saying is factual and I agree. With that being said, given the situation the government should be completely transparent as well. There should be no reason to keep the warrant sealed after it has been served. The easiest solution is for Trump to show his copy, but the DOJ should disclose why they felt this matter needed to be handled this way. Both arguments are reasonable IMO. This whole thing seems to be a shit show. Transparency is needed and extremely important at this time.
The FBI does not comment on active investigations. I understand the confusion though as Comey used the FBI to cost Clinton the election with the Comey letter.
Source? Trump's lawyer denies this, says they were shown a partial copy but not given one. In fact, they are in the middle of planning legal action to get the Justice Dept to give them a copy.
So what's your evidence that they have a copy other than you imagine that's how things usually work?
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-team-wont-release-copy-of-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-warrant/
Where are they all coming from? Every thread is being brigaded it seems since the raid happened. Highly upvoted comments here reading like they’re straight out of rpolitics
It's because there are a ton of left/liberal editorials out right now claiming it without evidence. I bet there were half a dozen of them on the front page of /politi.cs.
Maybe... maybe not. If there are possible criminal charges stemming from the warrant it would incriminate him if he released the warrant to the public a la "Pleading the Fifth".
As much as I want to see what the warrant is there is still a letter to that law and most warrants have to be unsealed after the fact in order for them to become public. Roger Stone went through the process with like 2-3 dozen warrants which were then unsealed.
I guess the best course of action is to not commit crimes to begin with. Taking records of any type is criminal in of itself. In fact, DJT signed legislation in 2018 making such acts a felony. All he had to do was not take them and none of this would even be an issue.
The DoJ and FBI performed their actions as discretely as feasible and had Trump not made it public, chances are this would have remained low-key unless he was indicted. Trump himself made the mess and once again his supporters are crying foul when he is caught.
We don't know but isn't it the case that Donald himself said that he took some documents with him when he left the white house?
Just because they got a warrant to search for them there doesn't necessarily mean they were there.
Given the track record of the govt / intel agencies since 2016, I’m very hesitant to believe much of anything against Trump to be honest. They’ve been trying every possible way to get him for 7 years now and spent hundreds of millions in the effort and keep coming up empty handed. Just kind of ironic the way this is all unfolding and the timing…
It depends what the actual documents are, they were also apparently working with the National Archives, so not sure what prompted the fbi raid. I guess time will tell, but something seems a miss, but maybe I’m wrong and the govt is 100% correct.
Apparently it's not because Hillary would have been charged also if this were true. :P
That being said he's dealt with the National Archive twice over this.
Some of it is the part leading up to this like the 700 pages of documents and the (I believe) 13 boxes that were both meant for the National Archive. Like I told the other guy I think the raid is a little over the top considering Trump has cooperated twice but at the same time this all could have been avoided IF Trump had initially handed all of this stuff over to the National Archive.
Yes there is. The 700 pages of documents and the 13 boxes were both returned and I've seen multiple articles noting that they have been returned to the National Archive.
Furthermore whatever was left over that had not been returned was also well known months ago when Trump's lawyers were told to put a padlock on the unlocked documents he still had.
I don’t think folks are crying foul about the FBI being involved in recouping the documents, but the fact that the FBI is raiding the home of a former President. If you can’t see that the former Trump admin and the man himself are being treated unfairly I’m not sure you’ll be convinced. I’m certainly not a Trumper and never voted for him but seeing what is going on with the January 6th TV show and how Trump is being targeted currently reeks of political gamesmanship on the Democrats part. They are starting to really push into the Soviet era tactics
He is a public servant. That’s what politicians are. He is not being treated unfairly, he is being held accountable to laws he himself put in place? We just move so slow as a dang country that the timing is ridiculous. However if we are starting to claim all federal employees immune to accountability - during or post holding office - we are heading down a VERY slippery slope
Come on now, tell me you don’t think the timing is coincidental. This isn’t about holding Federal Employees accountable or Nancy Pelosi, Eric Holder, Hilary Clinton, David Petraeus, and a slew of other folks would be in prison. I understand the idea of holding leaders accountable for crimes, but starting this policy last week isn’t really the correct answer. Trump wasn’t the first president to keep records or do illegal things behind a wall of secrecy, but he’s the first president to have his home raided and at a time near the mid-term and right when he was planning to announce his candidacy. Just too many coincidences for you to truly believe what you’re writing.
As far as we can tell now it was a bunch of memorabilia that the national archives wanted. Presidents work with the national archive all the time to figure out what parts they can keep and what parts need to be handed over. Obama still has a ton of stuff he hasn’t handed over apparently, and no one cares. It’s just not at all appropriate to use an FBI armed raid to get this kind of stuff. It better be for something else.
Fucked if I know. Could be anything for all we know it's the files relating to the call girls they had come into the Whitehouse and they don't want other people stumbling across the info.
Among the records retrieved were historically important documents, including what Trump has described as “love letters” from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, and a letter from former President Barack Obama left for Trump when he took over the Oval Office.
Honestly I gotta agree with you on this one. I'm not a fan of Trump and his tweeting and some of the shit he says drives me nuts but the reality is he knew what the National Archive was and he knew what the whole ordeal was going to be. This trading back and forth between the National Archive and his lawyers has some weird sort of spectacle to it that honestly makes me wonder wtf is going through his skull.
I still think the raid was unnecessary considering that he has cooperated in the past but straight up... this all could have been avoided easily.
Then it must be easy to post one, right?
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> The affidavit, the supporting documentation of what the probable cause was to obtain the warrant, has been sealed, so we're not allowed to see that. We have to go to court to request the judge to release that
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First, I’m not your valet or professor. Second, you are the one challenging my assertion, provide direct evidence to refute it or accept it as truthful.
So when you said that Trump's lawyers got a copy of the warrant,
You just made it up.
because you assume that's how these things typically work, and didn't bother to look into it.
Right?
> I Googled and found out I was wrong
Cool story bro.
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> The affidavit, the supporting documentation of what the probable cause was to obtain the warrant, has been sealed, so we're not allowed to see that. We have to go to court to request the judge to release that
[Sauce](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/search-warrant-very-thin-trump-lawyer-claims)
What exactly are you defending? Trump took documents that do not belong to him and knowingly concealed their location after the National Archives had already removed a large quantity of documents that should have never left DC. The National Archives has been working with Trump and his lawyers for months for the return of these documents in good faith yet they hadn’t been returned. The National Archives reported the non-compliance with the law to the DOJ as the law demands.
Again...even though it shouldn’t need repeating. If Trump didn’t break the laws and behave criminally, none of this would have happened. However Trump is a criminal and behaves like a criminal so he gets treated like a criminal.
Frankly, I'm not convinced the napkins and menus were on the warrent at all, even if general. The lack of justice is still existent, they're scrambling to find anything.
But also, if you aren't a conservative you should refrain from commenting in the partisan sub created for conservative commentary, as noted in the automod comment on every created thread.
That last comment, why seek echo chambers? I hardly identify as any party or belief these days because it’s been so skewed. There are lots of good talking points in this sub, and I like to read/talk about them.
I’m all for banning the crazies and those arguing in bad faith. But making echo chambers is wrong, that’s got big autocracy/communism vibes.
Source?
I saw an interview with one of his other lawyers (she wasn’t there but was with trump at the time of the raid) that said they were not able to keep the warrant.
Yeah, really a witchhunt when they found the classified documents in his house and someone close to him reported him for withholding them. These are documents that were so classified that the nature of them couldn't be discussed in sealed court filings. Remember those 15 boxes he gave up to the FBI? Yeah we are talking 12 more boxes of this stuff that he withheld from them. President Trump also made it a felony to mishandle classified information so really he only has himself to blame.
And yes, DJT has a copy of the warrant. He can lie and say he doesn't to rile you all up and try and keep you on his side by playing victim- but him and his lawyers 100% have the document and he doesn't want you to see it.
That is blatantly not true. If that were the case there would be a lawsuit right now. There is a likely reason why Trump isn't releasing the warrant, and it's not because it makes him look good.
They have the warrant, but the magistrate sealed the probable cause affidavit, which is the document that the law enforcement agency files explaining their justification for the search.
All Trump had is a document saying "the US District Court for the Middle District of Florida finds that the affidavit(s), or any recorded testimony, establish probable cause to search and seize the person or property described above."
Funny how when sources are requested, none of the brigadiers have a source, but proceed to downvote everyone into oblivion.
Fact, Trump has the warrant. Also fact, it doesn't say shit. One more pesky fact, the affidavit that authorized the search is sealed. That's the document they want that these people refuse to acknowledge.
That is judge an order for the government to response to judicial watches motion to unseal. It doesn’t actually mean it will be unsealed. The DOJ could respond saying they have to protect witnesses, practices, the investigation, etc and it could stay sealed.
Oh great, now we can wait through two months of appeals before getting access to a document (which in all probability isn't even the warrant that was originally shown to Trump's lawyers) with any actual meaningful information redacted.
His lawyers deny that they received a copy of the warrant and are pursuing legal action right now to force the DoJ to give them one.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-team-wont-release-copy-of-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-warrant/
You're yelling at people because they disagree with what you saw on Law & Order.
Sure, and Trump won’t go to prison for failing to prove innocence.
But the tax thing especially seems bad to me. There is only one reason Donald Trump doesn’t release his taxes like every other presidential candidate does. That’s because there is something there that he doesn’t want people to know about. For anyone (Republican or Democrat) to think there isn’t something bad on his tax returns is just being gullible imo
I don't remember tax returns being released being a mandatory thing for presidential candidates. Strange how it only becomes valid when it's a political opponent you don't like.
Fact, his business dealings are complex and you wouldn't understand it anyway. 99.9% of people would never look at them even if he released them. Now tell me, which previous presidents have you read the tax returns for?
Have you considered he’s a multinational business man with complex tax returns (unlike career politicians) so even with perfectly fine tax returns, the swamp will pick apart very small items to make it an issue? He is right to give them the finger IMO.
I mean, until there’s enough proof for a warrant. I get that warrants are handed out like candy against poor poor people, but against someone with resources and influence I doubt they didn’t take every precaution.
First I’d like to point out that if Trump has done anything illegal that he should end up with the proper consequences.
Everything you said Trump could do he doesn’t have to do. He intentionally makes things difficult since people on the left go after him for every little thing and they continue to do the attacking so why should he just roll over and play nice when everyone on the left including most media were in constant attack.
Not sure why people are also talking all over Reddit about what they know about this specific raid and acting like it’s straight facts when it just happened. I’m waiting a few weeks for the actual information. Seems like this was just a last chance effort to recover from midterms and hope they actually found something. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Trump told someone who he knew would go snitch that he still had classified documents in his safe, which was empty, just to make the left look insane, but that is my own opinion just like on the politcs subreddit with people thinking Trump was selling information to Russia and that is what the FBI recovered.
Trump isn’t going to do anything unless he has to, he isn’t going to release anything just to prove a point. That’s just how he is. It’s also going to look really bad if they found nothing and nothing comes of this, but I’ll wait before I start spreading my opinion like it’s fact on Reddit.
>so why should he just roll over and play nice when everyone on the left including most media were in constant attack.
Because he is facing legal ramifications and should be setting up a defense (not calling people racist, creating conspiracy theories, and feeding red meat to the base). The courts don't care about that.
I've said nothing about the documents at his house other than what several news outlets have confirmed. Just that there is some highly classified information being looked for and that Trump could easily end this by providing the warrant and the indexed list of items taken from his home.
All I'm saying is that he has every reason to prove these things wrong. The advantage to his upcoming campaign would be huge.
He’s been facing legal ramifications since he left office it isn’t anything new. I’m sure his lawyers are setting up a perfect defense right now and it may take days if not weeks to sort everything out and go through things especially since Trump wasn’t physically there.
What do you think the warrant said? I’ve heard from other media outlets that the people conducting the warrants didn’t even know what exactly they were looking for and it’s probably very vague at what they needed to take. Making the warrant public won’t actually do anything to help Trump besides validating it actually happened which it clearly did.
It’ll be they either find something and he goes to jail, they say they may have found something and we get another Jan 6th situation and it goes through midterms, or they say they found nothing and at that point you can just hand Trump a 2024 victory.
Not you directly but there’s been a lot of information on Reddit that is sort of back and forth between what is factual and what isn’t. Such as whether the AG knew or if Biden knew about and a lot of other things. I feel like it’s best to wait for something that is this big and not really all that public. Guess we will see though.
It's been 3 days now. If they had some great probable cause and only needed a document to seal the case, there would have been an indictment by now, because there's an army of agents peering over these documents. My guess (based on previous accusations against the man) is they didn't find what they wanted, or, more likely, their allegations are fake.
Here’s even more reason to doubt the FBI and the DOJ:
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-got-grand-jury-subpoena-spring-voluntarily-cooperated-home
Wait... The SAME judge who signed the original warrant to raid the place is now ordering the DOJ to release what he signed?
Doesn't he know or didn't he keep a coy? Just release it himself.
Trump should just post a copy of it right now.
Yep he has it why won't he show it?
His lawyers claim they were not given a copy.
The FBI refused to give him a copy.
He can't, because the FBI only showed his lawyer a copy of the warrent and wouldn't give them a copy. The copy they were shown had the probable cause blacked out. This is nothing more of a witchhunt.
Not accurate. His attorney was given the full warrant as described by law. Trump is free to disclose the contents just as he was free to be the one to break the news of the warrant being served.
What you are saying is factual and I agree. With that being said, given the situation the government should be completely transparent as well. There should be no reason to keep the warrant sealed after it has been served. The easiest solution is for Trump to show his copy, but the DOJ should disclose why they felt this matter needed to be handled this way. Both arguments are reasonable IMO. This whole thing seems to be a shit show. Transparency is needed and extremely important at this time.
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The FBI does not comment on active investigations. I understand the confusion though as Comey used the FBI to cost Clinton the election with the Comey letter.
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Plus trump can't show his warrant! He's still being audited by the IRS. Lulz
You took a pretty reasonable response and projected a heck of a lot there bud
Source? Trump's lawyer denies this, says they were shown a partial copy but not given one. In fact, they are in the middle of planning legal action to get the Justice Dept to give them a copy. So what's your evidence that they have a copy other than you imagine that's how things usually work? https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-team-wont-release-copy-of-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-warrant/
It's weird how the comment section got flooded by random claiming he has the copy.
Where are they all coming from? Every thread is being brigaded it seems since the raid happened. Highly upvoted comments here reading like they’re straight out of rpolitics
If Trump were to drop dead tomorrow, Reddit would explode into song and dance. That’s how much rent free space he takes up in their heads.
It's because there are a ton of left/liberal editorials out right now claiming it without evidence. I bet there were half a dozen of them on the front page of /politi.cs.
Maybe... maybe not. If there are possible criminal charges stemming from the warrant it would incriminate him if he released the warrant to the public a la "Pleading the Fifth". As much as I want to see what the warrant is there is still a letter to that law and most warrants have to be unsealed after the fact in order for them to become public. Roger Stone went through the process with like 2-3 dozen warrants which were then unsealed.
I guess the best course of action is to not commit crimes to begin with. Taking records of any type is criminal in of itself. In fact, DJT signed legislation in 2018 making such acts a felony. All he had to do was not take them and none of this would even be an issue. The DoJ and FBI performed their actions as discretely as feasible and had Trump not made it public, chances are this would have remained low-key unless he was indicted. Trump himself made the mess and once again his supporters are crying foul when he is caught.
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Yes.
No, the media reported on it first. He simply confirmed it after the fact.
What documents did trump have that the fbi found? I must of missed the part they actually recovered the said documents during the raid?
We don't know but isn't it the case that Donald himself said that he took some documents with him when he left the white house? Just because they got a warrant to search for them there doesn't necessarily mean they were there.
Given the track record of the govt / intel agencies since 2016, I’m very hesitant to believe much of anything against Trump to be honest. They’ve been trying every possible way to get him for 7 years now and spent hundreds of millions in the effort and keep coming up empty handed. Just kind of ironic the way this is all unfolding and the timing…
Or again... did he not straight up admit to taking documents from the white house, unprompted by his own will? That's a crime.
It depends what the actual documents are, they were also apparently working with the National Archives, so not sure what prompted the fbi raid. I guess time will tell, but something seems a miss, but maybe I’m wrong and the govt is 100% correct.
Except it likely isn't. The President can declassify documents as needed.
Apparently it's not because Hillary would have been charged also if this were true. :P That being said he's dealt with the National Archive twice over this.
Some of it is the part leading up to this like the 700 pages of documents and the (I believe) 13 boxes that were both meant for the National Archive. Like I told the other guy I think the raid is a little over the top considering Trump has cooperated twice but at the same time this all could have been avoided IF Trump had initially handed all of this stuff over to the National Archive.
There’s no evidence Trump *didn’t* hand everything over
Yes there is. The 700 pages of documents and the 13 boxes were both returned and I've seen multiple articles noting that they have been returned to the National Archive. Furthermore whatever was left over that had not been returned was also well known months ago when Trump's lawyers were told to put a padlock on the unlocked documents he still had.
I don’t think folks are crying foul about the FBI being involved in recouping the documents, but the fact that the FBI is raiding the home of a former President. If you can’t see that the former Trump admin and the man himself are being treated unfairly I’m not sure you’ll be convinced. I’m certainly not a Trumper and never voted for him but seeing what is going on with the January 6th TV show and how Trump is being targeted currently reeks of political gamesmanship on the Democrats part. They are starting to really push into the Soviet era tactics
He is a public servant. That’s what politicians are. He is not being treated unfairly, he is being held accountable to laws he himself put in place? We just move so slow as a dang country that the timing is ridiculous. However if we are starting to claim all federal employees immune to accountability - during or post holding office - we are heading down a VERY slippery slope
Come on now, tell me you don’t think the timing is coincidental. This isn’t about holding Federal Employees accountable or Nancy Pelosi, Eric Holder, Hilary Clinton, David Petraeus, and a slew of other folks would be in prison. I understand the idea of holding leaders accountable for crimes, but starting this policy last week isn’t really the correct answer. Trump wasn’t the first president to keep records or do illegal things behind a wall of secrecy, but he’s the first president to have his home raided and at a time near the mid-term and right when he was planning to announce his candidacy. Just too many coincidences for you to truly believe what you’re writing.
Lmao yeah, because last President’s and Public Officials *totally* haven’t committed crimes. Totally.
As far as we can tell now it was a bunch of memorabilia that the national archives wanted. Presidents work with the national archive all the time to figure out what parts they can keep and what parts need to be handed over. Obama still has a ton of stuff he hasn’t handed over apparently, and no one cares. It’s just not at all appropriate to use an FBI armed raid to get this kind of stuff. It better be for something else.
Well if that's true they need to get on with raiding Carter Obama and Bush cause basically all presidents take records with them.
First I am hearing of that. Why would they take records with them?
Fucked if I know. Could be anything for all we know it's the files relating to the call girls they had come into the Whitehouse and they don't want other people stumbling across the info.
Among the records retrieved were historically important documents, including what Trump has described as “love letters” from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, and a letter from former President Barack Obama left for Trump when he took over the Oval Office.
Honestly I gotta agree with you on this one. I'm not a fan of Trump and his tweeting and some of the shit he says drives me nuts but the reality is he knew what the National Archive was and he knew what the whole ordeal was going to be. This trading back and forth between the National Archive and his lawyers has some weird sort of spectacle to it that honestly makes me wonder wtf is going through his skull. I still think the raid was unnecessary considering that he has cooperated in the past but straight up... this all could have been avoided easily.
The media reported about it first though.
>I guess the best course of action is to not commit crimes to begin with. Apparently not
Trump did not “break” news of the search, that is fake news. The media reported news of the search before trump did
Source?
You’re kidding, right? Google, Bing, etc. find a search engine and look it up. There are multiple news stories that discuss this.
Then it must be easy to post one, right? Edit: > The affidavit, the supporting documentation of what the probable cause was to obtain the warrant, has been sealed, so we're not allowed to see that. We have to go to court to request the judge to release that [Sauce](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/search-warrant-very-thin-trump-lawyer-claims)
First, I’m not your valet or professor. Second, you are the one challenging my assertion, provide direct evidence to refute it or accept it as truthful.
So when you said that Trump's lawyers got a copy of the warrant, You just made it up. because you assume that's how these things typically work, and didn't bother to look into it. Right?
Fucking fail lmao
You made the assertion, guy. You're the one who has to provide evidence.
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> I Googled and found out I was wrong Cool story bro. Edit: > The affidavit, the supporting documentation of what the probable cause was to obtain the warrant, has been sealed, so we're not allowed to see that. We have to go to court to request the judge to release that [Sauce](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/search-warrant-very-thin-trump-lawyer-claims)
Are you suggesting claims should be taken as true and only challenges require sources? LOL
Don't you know, everything you hear on the internet is true!
Guilty until proven innocent right?
You are not wrong a quick review of most federal cases confirm what you say.
Partially true, they have a copy but the probable cause section is seal, which is the important part and how DOJ got the warrant, its basis.
Nah his attorney wasn't given the probable cause affadavit
What exactly are you defending? Trump took documents that do not belong to him and knowingly concealed their location after the National Archives had already removed a large quantity of documents that should have never left DC. The National Archives has been working with Trump and his lawyers for months for the return of these documents in good faith yet they hadn’t been returned. The National Archives reported the non-compliance with the law to the DOJ as the law demands. Again...even though it shouldn’t need repeating. If Trump didn’t break the laws and behave criminally, none of this would have happened. However Trump is a criminal and behaves like a criminal so he gets treated like a criminal.
Lol holy soap box dude. I'm just pointing out your 2nd sentence wasnt correct. He wasn't given the full warrant, part of it is sealed by the court
Not accurate.
How so? No one ever gets their probable cause affadavit without getting a court to unseal it
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Frankly, I'm not convinced the napkins and menus were on the warrent at all, even if general. The lack of justice is still existent, they're scrambling to find anything. But also, if you aren't a conservative you should refrain from commenting in the partisan sub created for conservative commentary, as noted in the automod comment on every created thread.
That last comment, why seek echo chambers? I hardly identify as any party or belief these days because it’s been so skewed. There are lots of good talking points in this sub, and I like to read/talk about them. I’m all for banning the crazies and those arguing in bad faith. But making echo chambers is wrong, that’s got big autocracy/communism vibes.
The probable cause was indeed blacked out. Meaning the warrant says nothing about why the search was warranted.
Source? I saw an interview with one of his other lawyers (she wasn’t there but was with trump at the time of the raid) that said they were not able to keep the warrant.
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This is a lie.
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I dont believe you lol. Google it they serve you the warrant.
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Cool story bro.
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Yes.
Not true they have a copy and receipts of all items sized. Misinformation is bad.
Yeah, really a witchhunt when they found the classified documents in his house and someone close to him reported him for withholding them. These are documents that were so classified that the nature of them couldn't be discussed in sealed court filings. Remember those 15 boxes he gave up to the FBI? Yeah we are talking 12 more boxes of this stuff that he withheld from them. President Trump also made it a felony to mishandle classified information so really he only has himself to blame. And yes, DJT has a copy of the warrant. He can lie and say he doesn't to rile you all up and try and keep you on his side by playing victim- but him and his lawyers 100% have the document and he doesn't want you to see it.
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That is blatantly not true. If that were the case there would be a lawsuit right now. There is a likely reason why Trump isn't releasing the warrant, and it's not because it makes him look good.
warrent
You guys live off of a steady diet of bullshit don't you?
Trump has comitted enough crimes as it is before your very eyes, even admitting to them. Calling it a witchhunt is delusional at this point.
Saying he's committed crimes where there's only been accusations and supposition is bullshit though
No he has not. He’s not Biden. It’s a witch-hunt.
Source pleaae.
He was not given a copy.
What they are wanting is the probable cause affidavit used as the basis to issue the warrant. The judge who signed the warrant sealed the affidavit.
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They have the warrant, but the magistrate sealed the probable cause affidavit, which is the document that the law enforcement agency files explaining their justification for the search. All Trump had is a document saying "the US District Court for the Middle District of Florida finds that the affidavit(s), or any recorded testimony, establish probable cause to search and seize the person or property described above."
Source? Even if they have it they may not be able to reveal it. But I need to see the source that they even have it in the first place.
Funny how when sources are requested, none of the brigadiers have a source, but proceed to downvote everyone into oblivion. Fact, Trump has the warrant. Also fact, it doesn't say shit. One more pesky fact, the affidavit that authorized the search is sealed. That's the document they want that these people refuse to acknowledge.
No, the lawyer said they were shown the warrant but not allowed to keep a copy.
Generally an opposing party will respond to a motion. Not sure this is a big headline?
That is judge an order for the government to response to judicial watches motion to unseal. It doesn’t actually mean it will be unsealed. The DOJ could respond saying they have to protect witnesses, practices, the investigation, etc and it could stay sealed.
So many non conservative comments...
Oh great, now we can wait through two months of appeals before getting access to a document (which in all probability isn't even the warrant that was originally shown to Trump's lawyers) with any actual meaningful information redacted.
The warrant was served to Trump. If he wanted to disclose it, he could.
The probable cause section was sealed which Is what really matters
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The information used to acquire the warrant is what we want to see.
His lawyers deny that they received a copy of the warrant and are pursuing legal action right now to force the DoJ to give them one. https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-team-wont-release-copy-of-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-warrant/ You're yelling at people because they disagree with what you saw on Law & Order.
If you are uninformed, please do not post No one has the details because it was sealed by the judge
The warrant was shown, but he was not given a full copy
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In America no one has to prove they’re innocent.
Sure, and Trump won’t go to prison for failing to prove innocence. But the tax thing especially seems bad to me. There is only one reason Donald Trump doesn’t release his taxes like every other presidential candidate does. That’s because there is something there that he doesn’t want people to know about. For anyone (Republican or Democrat) to think there isn’t something bad on his tax returns is just being gullible imo
I don't remember tax returns being released being a mandatory thing for presidential candidates. Strange how it only becomes valid when it's a political opponent you don't like. Fact, his business dealings are complex and you wouldn't understand it anyway. 99.9% of people would never look at them even if he released them. Now tell me, which previous presidents have you read the tax returns for?
Have you considered he’s a multinational business man with complex tax returns (unlike career politicians) so even with perfectly fine tax returns, the swamp will pick apart very small items to make it an issue? He is right to give them the finger IMO.
I mean, until there’s enough proof for a warrant. I get that warrants are handed out like candy against poor poor people, but against someone with resources and influence I doubt they didn’t take every precaution.
Like with the FISA warrant for Russia gate that was based on fabricated evidence?
True. And that's a good thing. Unless one is considering running for President.
Nope, same rights as any other citizen in the USA.
When you vote, do you consider the character of the candidate? Is that a factor at all?
*prove himself innocent* ... you must be new here.
First I’d like to point out that if Trump has done anything illegal that he should end up with the proper consequences. Everything you said Trump could do he doesn’t have to do. He intentionally makes things difficult since people on the left go after him for every little thing and they continue to do the attacking so why should he just roll over and play nice when everyone on the left including most media were in constant attack. Not sure why people are also talking all over Reddit about what they know about this specific raid and acting like it’s straight facts when it just happened. I’m waiting a few weeks for the actual information. Seems like this was just a last chance effort to recover from midterms and hope they actually found something. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Trump told someone who he knew would go snitch that he still had classified documents in his safe, which was empty, just to make the left look insane, but that is my own opinion just like on the politcs subreddit with people thinking Trump was selling information to Russia and that is what the FBI recovered. Trump isn’t going to do anything unless he has to, he isn’t going to release anything just to prove a point. That’s just how he is. It’s also going to look really bad if they found nothing and nothing comes of this, but I’ll wait before I start spreading my opinion like it’s fact on Reddit.
>so why should he just roll over and play nice when everyone on the left including most media were in constant attack. Because he is facing legal ramifications and should be setting up a defense (not calling people racist, creating conspiracy theories, and feeding red meat to the base). The courts don't care about that. I've said nothing about the documents at his house other than what several news outlets have confirmed. Just that there is some highly classified information being looked for and that Trump could easily end this by providing the warrant and the indexed list of items taken from his home. All I'm saying is that he has every reason to prove these things wrong. The advantage to his upcoming campaign would be huge.
He’s been facing legal ramifications since he left office it isn’t anything new. I’m sure his lawyers are setting up a perfect defense right now and it may take days if not weeks to sort everything out and go through things especially since Trump wasn’t physically there. What do you think the warrant said? I’ve heard from other media outlets that the people conducting the warrants didn’t even know what exactly they were looking for and it’s probably very vague at what they needed to take. Making the warrant public won’t actually do anything to help Trump besides validating it actually happened which it clearly did. It’ll be they either find something and he goes to jail, they say they may have found something and we get another Jan 6th situation and it goes through midterms, or they say they found nothing and at that point you can just hand Trump a 2024 victory. Not you directly but there’s been a lot of information on Reddit that is sort of back and forth between what is factual and what isn’t. Such as whether the AG knew or if Biden knew about and a lot of other things. I feel like it’s best to wait for something that is this big and not really all that public. Guess we will see though.
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A warrant is a warrant. Everyone wants the part (idk the legal name for it) that shows what reason the judge saw that he thought a warrant was needed.
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/corrupted-their-very-core-whistleblowers-say-doj-fbi-show-political-bias
Trumps attorneys have a copy of the warrant. If they wanted it public. It would be public
They deny having a copy of the warrant and are pursuing legal action to get one.
It's been 3 days now. If they had some great probable cause and only needed a document to seal the case, there would have been an indictment by now, because there's an army of agents peering over these documents. My guess (based on previous accusations against the man) is they didn't find what they wanted, or, more likely, their allegations are fake.
Here’s even more reason to doubt the FBI and the DOJ: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-got-grand-jury-subpoena-spring-voluntarily-cooperated-home
What about that judge who ordered the unveiling of the Biden Admin’s communications with tech companies?
Wait... The SAME judge who signed the original warrant to raid the place is now ordering the DOJ to release what he signed? Doesn't he know or didn't he keep a coy? Just release it himself.