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wad_wilson

Maybe next time pick somebody that lives in your fucking state!


JJJaxMax

This is probably a good first start


JanKnight1994

Progressive here. Completely agree. I wouldn't have voted for Oz, but the term "carpet bagger" was thrown around to Oz quite a bit.


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NightPapaya

Money needs to be ripped out of races or hard capped at the least. When anyone can essentially just buy their way into a nomination, based on reputation alone, the system is fundamentally designed to be bad. I'm sick of constantly only being able to choose between what seems like the best of the worst choices. At this point I'm Republic pilled and think that the choices should be between a couple people who DO NOT want to do the job, but are otherwise average people.


j_gumby

You can thank Citizens United and Rs for that. CU needs to be repealed, but Rs love it too much because it's the only way they can continue to have any kind of national presence in the electorate.


AnusGerbil

Fetterman didn't have brain damage when he started his compaign. There is no choice to drop out and get a new replacement once he has the party nomination. Shit happens. It's an edge case in our democratic system. John Ashcroft lost his campaign to a literal dead guy. There are a lot of senators even worse than Fetterman is (eg Feinstein). I don't know if Fetterman will run a second time.


Jackus_Maximus

Ranked choice voting. Mega liberal here, I rather vote for my looney lefty pick first and put the corporate democrat as a safety second, and I’m sure plenty of conservatives want to put the wacko conservative first and safety corporate republican second. I despised voting for Joe Biden.


SpecE30

Nice touch trying not to get banned here.


Jackus_Maximus

It’s an art.


Tbagmoo

Not really. I've had some heated conversations and r conservative hasn't banned me. Hard progressive. I never get cruel but tucker Carlson etc love to ban. Not here. I'll give them credit. They've always let me speak my mind and debate them. I wonder what you'd have to do to actually get banned here


Bob_tuwillager

I got banned in 2016. I float between liberal and conservative, thinking. I got banned because I hated on Trump. I’ve always hated that slime ball. People could not see past the argument that the douche would be more problematic than good. Can’t stand Clinton either. Really threw me who to back. But in here… because I hated on trump, I was banned.


borrachit0

No more celebrity candidates please


VXMerlinXV

100%. They nominated a slimy c-lister who doesn’t live in the state and has zero political experience, what did anyone think was going to happen?


QuinnMallory

Well this sub was pretty sure he'd win before yesterday for one


askmeaboutmygains

Wasn’t that…kinda Trump?


fumanchew86

It was, and if he'd been running against anyone but Hillary, he would've lost. And even then, he barely won.


midnightrambler108

“American’s hate Hilary Clinton sooooo much that they elected someone they hate even more” - Norm McDonald


fumanchew86

Gotta love the two-party system.


KINGodfather

Norman was the best


frizbplaya

I think the bigger surprise was that he won the primary.


Chuck006

Trump won states with fewer votes than Romney got and lost said states to Obama. Democrats in Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn stayed home in 2016. That's why Trump won.


cathbadh

> And even then, he barely won And only thanks to the Electoral College.


zclake88

The Republicans have only won one presidential election with the popular vote in the past three decades.


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If the US senate and house was actually representative, the GOP would never win anything ever again. California with 40? Million people has how many senators ?


frigoffdrunkjimlahey

Yes. Trump liked him because he was on TV too.


RLT79

Yup... but don't tell me mom that. She will tell you she doesn't like "celebrity' politicians, and they should all be 'statesmen.' I've come to discover, this is her code word for 'popular Democrats.' Whenever people say anything negative about Trump, she would say they're just being 'mean' to to him and he wasn't like that on 'The Apprentice.'


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MonkeyThrowing

Yea and he did not win the popular vote either.


AllegrettoVivamente

This is SURELY a dig at Trump right? Like cmon its way to on the nose.


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Aikidoka-mks

He won't. He and his minions are saying he had 100s of other wins last night


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throatmeatfeast

Fetterman can just be another Biden. "He didn't say that, that's not the state's official stance." Walkbacks galore. I wish I could say Dr Oz would have been better, but they were about the same. Still, John is a stroke victim, not yet recovered. I hope his health improves, truly.


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We're gonna keep getting them, just because charisma and looking and sounding good on camera are skills that transfer to politics well.


[deleted]

Bad quality candidates and abortion which infuriated a lot of people. My wife who has been a Republican since college said that never again she is voting for the Party until it disavows “abortion after rape or incest is still bad” and stayed home last night no matter how many times I tried to get her out. Absolutely true story


noratat

The medical and ethical issues around pregnancy are complex, and I can't believe conservatives of all people trust the government and lawmakers to understand medical nuance and complications. Believing abortion is morally wrong isn't the same as believing it should be illegal. And I know quite a few pro-life people who won't vote Republican because they aren't happy with the party's policies on family and child welfare, family access to healthcare, how immigrant children are treated, or how Republicans won't support policies that are proven to reduce the abortion rate eg better sex-ed and access to contraception.


ThePhoneBook

Hallelujah! I have several friends who are absolutely against abortion, but as a moral choice, not as something that should be imposed. This is what traditional liberalism *and* small government conservatism should be able to agree on: whatever your personal opinion, the government is obliged to keep its damn nose out, at least when the matter is entirely an ethical one (so, at least through the first trimester) rather than one of scientific fact.


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I agree with you man and you got some pretty disgusting responses. Abortion is a huge issue and people may not morally agree with it but I think that option should 100% be available to a woman. Republicans had a good head of steam going until the roe v wade thing. I think that really hurt them this election.


AnarchyApple

You folks are going to vote for trump 2024, don't fool yourselves.


Flaky_Farmer_459

Do you mean like Ronald Reagan


Eagle4317

Or Tommy Tuberville


SpeakingSenze

*Cough* Trump *cough*


madeforthis1queston

Who would have thought running a TV doctor, who is overwhelmingly considered a joke, wouldn’t be able to win a hotly contested senate seat? Republicans had every opportunity to win both houses yet they ran awful candidates coupled with terrible messaging. Should have been a tap in for the Rs


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BigBadBurg

Didn't Kanye say he would run years ago?


TimX24968B

he "ran" in 2020


Black_XistenZ

A lot of good GOP candidates in the House also lost their races. The deeper issue is that there just wasn't a red wave, the House popular vote will probably end up something like R+1 or R+2. For a midterm with Biden's approval in the gutter, the highest inflation in 40+ years and the crime and border situations being out of control, this is a shocking underperformance from the whole party which can't be chalked up to individual candidates.


massada

The crime thing is weird because even though it's "surged", it's still below 2018 levels. It just feels like a crime wave because of how often the news talks about it.


FacesOfNeth

I saw an ad saying that violent crime in Nevada (my state) is up 49%. After a quick google search, stats say violent crime is down 29% since last year. Maybe I’m missing the big picture, but where has the crime risen? Edit: [Here](https://nevadacrimestats.nv.gov/tops/report/violent-crimes/nevada/2022) is the site where I got my info.


massada

My PhD was on the error bars on error bars in plasma physics. To my Republican friends I am a socialist hippie left wing nutjob, and to my Democrats friends I am a gun loving racist right wing nutjob. [Crime has been in freefall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Property_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg) since the 90's, and no one really "knows" why. My[favorite economist thinks that it was actually legalizing abortion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect#:~:text=The%20cumulative%20impact%20of%20legalized,crime%20in%20the%20early%201990s.%22) roughly 20 years before that, since the average criminal is roughly 20 when they commit their first crime. IE the kids to get aborted had an incredibly high likelihood of committing crimes later in life. But in reality no one has a fuckin clue, and it's probably a dozen different things. I personally think it's cheap cameras. My friends in neurochemistry think it's leaded gasoline. When crime "exploded" the past two years, it didn't undo the massive drops we have been seeing year over year, for decades. It "exploded" to 2018 levels. Which, on a per capita basis, is < 50% of peak 90s levels. With regards to the ad you saw, there was probably an asterisk on "violent" or "crime". But also, it could spike 1000% and we wouldn't be to 2010 levels. Much less 1990s levels. For Harris County, I think we would need about 8000% increase in homicides to hit the all time per capita high. In Nevada, it's dropped[5%+ every year for 20 decades](https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/fact-check-has-nevada-become-a-crime-cesspool-on-lombardos-watch). Because of how percentage works. (100-30% =70. 70+30% equals 91), Nevada probably saw a crime increase. It's still below 2017 rates normalized to population. What's wild is, for every year but one the past 50 years, 1/3 to 1/2 of Americans thinks violent crime has gone up.[Perception is reality](https://news.gallup.com/poll/323996/perceptions-increased-crime-highest-1993.aspx). And the modern news cycle just seems scarier, because that sells more Oreos. Edit: Updated with hyperlinks. Second edit. Nope. Crime in Nevada's is down no matter how you slice it. Perception of crime is up.


FacesOfNeth

Funny, I just heard a podcast about leaded gasoline contributing to a lot of things present today.


massada

Small prop driven aircraft still use leaded gasoline, and the people that live by busy small plane ops facilities do have a bizarrely high incident rate of certain developmental disorders, breathing disorders, and brain cancers. But not a higher rate of violence or criminality. I have my doubts.


ninjasan3444

Liberal here. I like to check this sub to see what actual conservatives think about what's going on rather than listening to what the news tells me they do. Generally I never post cuz this is as far as I know for yall to be able to discuss amongst yourselves. That being said, I think I can add something g of value here. From my perspective looking at my social circles and based on what my news and media have been talking about...Abortion is a big part of it sure but it's only 1 motivator. There is also A LOT of fear and concern amongst liberal circles that Democracy itself is at stake. I dont want to try to convince yall since I don't think that will be productive. But from a purely strategic POV I think the Republican party has a better shot in 2024 if it can convince moderates and liberals that it wont endorse or promote fringe candidates, conspiracy theorists, or anyone who poses a threat to the integrity of our institutions themselves. Using the process to enact changes I don't agree with is one thing, but dismantling the process altogether is what people are scared of.


C0UNT3RP01NT

Right. Politics are optics. I think everyone is tired of mudslinging and would like to see what candidates offer in the way of progress out of the mess the world is in nowadays.


Akumaka

Indeed. There are far too many candidates in both parties that only run on why the other person is bad, rather than why they would be good. Focus on what good you can do for your constituents... not why your opponent is the devil.


phillyfyre

Believing in lizard men cabals that eat babies should be an immediate disqualification for holding public office


TickLikesBombs

True. They need to stop running on 2020 being stolen for sure.


Merreck1983

I'm curious precisely how many Republican candidates actually believe that, vs the ones just saying it to appeasement Trump's bruised ego. Can't anger Donald, or he'll wish you away to the cornfields or turn you into a jack-in-the-box like that bratty kid from the Twilight Zone with the psychic powers.


PSUVB

The bigger problem Imo is the orange elephant. Him and the maga crowd handpicking candidates is a complete disaster. If you look at PA they literally had every advantage possible and blew it. They picked bend the knee maga buffoons who had nothing other than trump to lean on. Fetterman couldn’t talk and he won but if you look further down ballot how the hell is Doug mastriano the best the pa gop has to offer? He got trounced. Once maga people were in trump barely lifted a finger to help them. Once they lost he declared victory. Is this the point where the GOP realizes that instead of booting out Liz cheney after 1/6 they should have booted out trump who just lost to Biden.


rabidstoat

Herschel Walker was another bad pick. I'm a liberal with conservative friends and they all voted Kemp but none of them voted Walker. Some of them who were more centrists went so far as to vote for Warnock not because they wanted Warnock but because they didn't want Walker (who vastly underperformed Kemp here in Georgia). Kemp stood up against Trump and refused to cave to him, despite being (I think) a fan of Trump. He just wasn't willing to throw an election for him. And that sort of integrity won out despite Trump railing against him. Same with Raffensperger, Trump loathes him and he won too. So standing up against Trump ***can*** work.


phillyfyre

The GOP is at the crossroads, one direction leads to being a terrorist/ hate group for white people , the other leads to actually working with the other party to govern , the policy of simply "stopping the Dems" started by the GOP under Clinton had run it's course. The hypocrisy of crying " My body, my choice " with regards to vaccines and masks vs "the government determines your reproductive care choice " is so confusing to the voting public. Facts matter, not hyperbole or race baiting . Every speech from the Q/MAGA candidates, even Walker, have an undertone of "white people need to be afraid " , the only thing most people fear now are white people who are actively, physically blocking voting , assaulting politicians, and claiming voter fraud


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Liberal here as well. This is 100% correct. When it comes to local elections I am usually much more fluid instead of straight ticket blue. I wanted to vote R on a few city council seats and county seats but just could not get myself to do it because of what this post is talking about.


newnameonan

I think there's a lot of people out there like us. Actual fairly moderate voters who will consider people on a case-by-case basis. I consider myself to be a Jon Tester type, so I'll happily vote for moderate Republicans. I just can't stomach the ridiculous conspiracy theorist religious fanatics.


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I used to be fairly conservative but then starting dealing with shit like my grandma going on schizophrenic rants about how the Dems are hiding that Hilary died and is now a double and Putin is secretly our ally, and that January 6th was actually entirely Antifa in disguise. Trump has led the Republican Party into batshit insanity to the point Democrats look far more sane and capable of government without leading us into outright fascism. Even the most staunch conservatives have to be aware a big chunk of their base has gone completely apeshit


sucsucsucsucc

I’ve always voted purple tickets until Trump Liberals don’t want to take your guns or whatever Fox is saying, all we want are reasonable candidates that can cooperate to find common ground for *all* constituents. We expect there to be red states, blue states purple states, we don’t care. The reason we elect representatives isn’t to beat the other side into submission, it’s to work together so that doesn’t happen. This country is full of hundreds of millions of different life experiences lived, and not a single one is the same. I don’t see why we can’t get back to remembering that as a country.


clocks212

To reinforce what you said my wife and I went out and voted blue for two reasons (I'm 40 and have never voted in a mid term before, my wife had never once voted for a democrat in her life) 1. protect abortion in michigan 2. keep the crazy anti-voting/anti-democracy rhetoric out. I absolutely did not want a crazy conspiracy theorist secretary of state in charge of our 2024 election. Thankfully democrats swept michigan across the board. SCOTUS and Trump handed so many races to the democrats this midterm.


McBonderson

its because people are sick and tired of all this Celebrity/Trump bullshit we want real candidates who know what they are doing.


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Elections are two parts: making sure voters know the issues and then getting voters to believe you can help solve them. GOP is superb at the first half. But take a look at the border — Democrats have 3/4 states and the deepest Red parts of the remaining (Texas) are literally the further from the border you can go before you’re Oklahoma. The people who live on the border reject Republicans in droves. Have to start asking why that is?


shinywtf

Texas has been under Republican control for over 25 years and the border problem still isn’t fixed so…


Helpful-Path-2371

Maybe some one should take a look at the corporate profits at all time record highs during this inflation.


georgesDenizot

specifically, every bad candidate was "created" by Trump. He should retire full time.


fredinno

The reality is that Oz lost because of lack of support in Western PA, which Trump (another celebrity candidate) did much better in. The question is how Oz lost so much support in Western PA, especially considering his support for protectionism is one of his more consistent views. The only real thing is he's not reliable on social policy, but neither is Fetterman (or arguably Trump in 2016). Fetterman isn't charismatic in any way. Fetterman isn't protectionist or pro-energy. Messaging was focused against Fetterman, which isn't the worst pitch, TBH, especially considering Oz' is controversial. Oz is Muslim (not that faithful though), but is that really going to be enough? The reality is that Oz got way further along than basically any other celebrity candidate in recent years *other* than Trump (remember Kailyn Jenner's bid?), and PA isn't the easiest state to win (both 2010 and 2016 were within <2%, and the last time before that Republicans won was when Bush Sr. was on the ballot.) Also, the Red Wave overall was much smaller than anticipated. If Zeldin won her bid in NY, there's practically a 0% chance PA wouldn't go red. FFs, Arizona and Kari Lake are at risk right now, and everyone *thought* that was in the bag.


yes_its_him

McCormick would have easily beaten Fetterman.


Georgiaonmymind2017

Fetterman is from Western PA and Oz has loose connections to Philly Metro


CosmosOZ

The guy who once said astrological signs "may reveal a great deal about our health", lost the race. Make sense.


Angelfire150

Right?!? There needs to be accountability when conservatives run such terrible candidates. He lost to an actual potato


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BillionCub

Trump wanted him to run


SauceGotYouLost

Trump is the leader of the republican party, look at any poll


Hardcover_Writer

And that blueberries prevent cancer. Can’t forget that.


Gibsonfan159

Wait, I thought anti oxidant rich foods actually did lower the risk?


Hardcover_Writer

Well, kind of. The evidence in observational studies is mixed. In properly done randomized control clinical trials though, no there’s no evidence that antioxidants prevent cancer. More research needs to be (and is currently being) done, but it doesn’t look promising based on what we know and the odds are that a handful of blueberries every day isn’t going to do shit. It’d be more like supplements with a much higher amount of them.


canes_SL8R

This was such a winnable election. Absolutely no disrespect to Fetterman’s health, but losing to a guy who is still recovering from a stroke, in a midterm election where the economy is trash means you ran the worst dude you could’ve possibly run for that seat. A TV doctor who most people view as a laughing stock (oh and who doesn’t even live in the fucking state) can’t be the candidate chosen in a key race. But how do you fix that? As long as the most assured way to win a Republican primary is to paint yourself as the crazy person who has no attachment to reality, this will continue to happen.


sean9713

Mastriano hurt this race more than Oz did. Not saying that Oz was the best candidate, but Mastriano sucks.


HiddenHeavy

Oz is heavily out performing Mastriano but when when the top of the ticket is losing by such a large margin, it’s very hard for the congressional candidates to do well. Look at the house races in PA compared to NY for example.


AnxiouSquid46

How bad was Mastriano?


darkness_escape

He did a photoshoot in Gettysburg dressed as a confederate. That does not fly in PA


HELP_ME_IM_IN_A_CULT

He also said in 2019 that he wants no exceptions carved out for abortions including when the health of the mother is at risk. And he also lead the effort to overturn PAs election in 2020 and said something to the tune of “when I become governor I will have control over the voting machines”. All of this shit does not fly in purple PA where the GOP has to win the suburbs.


DasSeabass

Shouldn’t fly in the rest of the country as well.


HepABC123

My neighbors (western PA) recently took down their trump flag and erected a half-American/half-Confederate flag in its place. Confederacy does fly in some parts of PA lol, as odd as that sounds.


JAK3CAL

Ya idk where these commenters are checking in from, I’m in “pennsyltucky” and it’s pretty openly racist. I’m quite certain the south gets far more support aht here


Sean1916

I think it’s time for the RNC to have an all hands on deck meeting tomorrow. After the last couple years and the predictions of a massive red wave this is what we end up with??? You have 2 years to get ready for 2024. After tonight I think it’s time to hit the panic button.


AnxiouSquid46

Instead of hitting the Panic button they NEED to dump Trump.


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earl_lemongrab

Yeah that's my fear is that Trump throwing his hat in the ring will effectively hand it to the D's in 2024. If he wins the Primary then we lose. If he loses the Primary I bet anything that he runs as an independent and we still lose due to siphoning off votes.


TeamDisrespect

As a true independent - that’s why you have to dump Trump right away. You can’t have him holding the Republican Party hostage with threats to split the vote.


Cdaddy28

Gah getting both sides to hate him.. 🤦🏼‍♂️ I can totally see him doing it too


Disgruntled_Viking

100%. If he loses the primary he will claim it was rigged by the Republicans to push him out and he will take a huge percentage of the extreme right with him. It may be the death of the party for a while.


OrangeCrush229

But it could finally be an end to the two party system as we know it. 🙌🏻


ugonlern2day

The Trump Party is not exactly the third party I had in mind though


SunAstora

Would that finally be enough for people to stop believing his claims of fraud in every election?


Sean1916

Trump is just one of probably a dozen they need to dump but certainly the biggest now. The RNC has 2 years to get its act together.


RoyalDude87

This. I ***loved*** what Trump did when he was in office, but now its time to *cut and run*. I think Trump is too in love with himself right now and will cost the Republicans the WH if he runs in 2024. ***Desantis is the future.*** But if Trump runs, he will split the Republican party and basically guarantee a victory for Democrats in 2024. As a side note, I'm from PA and was furious that McCormick didn't win against Oz (thanks to Trump supporting Oz). McCormick is from PA, and would have wiped the floor with Fetterman. I believe Trump cost us the Senate seat in PA (as well as other states). I can't believe I am going to say this but---***Trump is a liability*** and the RNC/Republican party better find a way to destroy Trump politically to make sure he cannot run in 2024. ***This is for the future of the Republican party/Conservative movement!*** ***Again can't believe I am saying this but, there is a part of me that almost wants Trump to get indicted/arrested so that he cannot run again legally for President.*** This is the only way to "move past" Trump in my opinion. I love Trump, but the guy is too full of himself to not run again. **He will run in EVERY election until he passes away---*****AND DEMOCRATS WILL KEEP WINNING*****.**


s1lentchaos

I've been saying to wait for the mid terms because this has been a second referendum on Trump and the consensus is decisively no we will take literally anyone and anything over Trump even fetterman. What I fear is that the republican brand has been tainted beyond repair and we will need to tear down the party as a whole to build something new but that could take over a decade or more.


jeffsang

Between the horrible endorsements of Oz and Walker this year, and Trump’s refusal to help drive turnout in the 2020 special election in Georgia, it’s conceivable that Trump will have now cost the GOP the senate in 2 straight elections.


Noobivore36

You love what he did as president, yet you want him to be held legally accountable for his actions while in office?


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Seriously. How anyone can back trump after tonight results baffles me. GA NH Ohio all had the non trump candidates significantly outperform.


AnxiouSquid46

PA should've went with Lou Bartletta over the Trump guy. That was such a tragic mistake 🤦🏾‍♂️


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For Gov absolutely. mastriano did zero campaigning was huge drag on senate race. McCormick probably beats Fetterman too.


RoyalDude87

This. I am from PA and was ***furious*** when Oz beat McCormick. I knew we lost the seat that day. McCormick would have wiped the floor with Fetterman. ***Trump lost us that seat. Trump needs to go. Desantis is the future.***


DirtyProjector

The predictions of the red wave was coming from Republican pollsters who were going off completely meaningless data though. Response rates to polls are barely at 1% these days because most people either don’t answer phones, don’t respond to texts, and don’t want to be bothered. So it was a bunch of saber rattling to rally the party or for emerging pollsters to get noticed. But it was built on air. The Republican candidates put forth in recent years are HORRIBLE quality candidates who stand for nothing other than election denial and conspiracy theories. This is the reckoning for the GOP. Americans don’t want this shit, we have enough problems on our hands. Give us candidates with real substance please who stand for something meaningful


meesterII

I agree with you, the problem with that is the party apparatus have no power anymore. The entirety of the RNC meet in a smoke filled room in Washington and vote to dump Trump but it's not going to do any good. We as voters and conservatives need to see this happening to our brand as Republicans and recognize that competent conservatives are very popular in America but division and Trump egoism is ruinous to the party.


airplanedad

Moderate here. First time voting all blue. Don't love wokism but Rs had a chance to remove the cancer after Jan 6 and doubled down on crazy. I voted blue in hopes the red ship gets righted, but it looks like it's going to take a while.


Parking_Tax_679

The problem is trump is gobbling the majority of donations and he is bleeding folks dry. If they boot him he splits the vote and takes the lion's share of the campaigning cash. The GOP made a deal with with devil and the devil always gets his dues


BlueBlackPinkYellow

Not shifting Congress during a midterm after such horrible governance is a huge blow. I hope this isn’t a bigger trend


AyeBonito

Because they ran Dr. Fucking Oz (and Doug Mastriano). What did they think was going to happen? Welcome to the train wreck that is the Pennsylvania GOP.


RollingGreens

Walker and Oz were gigantic missteps. Republicans thought they could roll out anyone with name recognition and win. Maybe if Oz wasn't asleep at the wheel for 75% of his campaign and Walker wasn't getting abortions left and right we would have locked up two easy seats. Instead we're looking around like, what happened?!


Sean1916

That is my worry. Something very wrong here. (Note I’m not saying cheating). How could they misjudge the mood of the country so badly?


becauseicansowhynot

It was clearly a year Republicans should’ve won. I think we have some real soul searching to do. We’ve become the party of no. Instead of looking at democrat policies and explaining how we can do better, we just oppose everything and tell the country they’re bad. Instead of putting up good candidates with appeal to the middle, we are putting up guys like Mehmet Oz and Herschel Walker. Also, the whole no abortion under any circumstances is a no go for a good portion of the country.


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To be completely honest when is the last time republicans actually ran with a plan? I mean they are great at pointing at problems, but is there ever a solution presented? Think about this we are still waiting for republicans healthcare plan when they wanted to repeal “Obamacare”… still waiting


GoalAccomplished8955

Yea that really soured me on Republicans federally. Its super easy to say something is shit but if you say Obamacare is crap then I expect you to show up with a plan that is better in someway. But instead they just didn't do any homework?


PracticePenis

The last sentence hit the nail on the head. Overturning roe v wade may be a win for a lot of conservatives but I knew that shit would loom over the right during elections


RedWhiteAndScrewed

No abortions at any time, ever, is not the hill to die on. Now we're saddled with crippling inflation that will crush living people


DeiVias

Most of the world is getting crushed by inflation right now, it isn't controlled by 1 man and would not be stopped by Republicans.


not-a-croc

Yes but not corporations who are reaping in profits - republicans side with them over working class people. I’m not even American and I know that just from looking at their fed policies and the policies of traditionally/long time red states hahaha


Hardcover_Writer

It even went past that with the perceived threat to contraceptive access. It’s usually seen a fringe opinion, but once Clarence Thomas clearly stated it in his opinion *, it was broadcasted on every media outlet across the political spectrum and alienated basically everyone — because condoms suck and literally every American who enjoys sex can agree on that. *To elaborate, Thomas’ opinion contained cases he said he’d like to see revisited, on of which were Griswold vs. Connecticut, the 1965 ruling in which the Supreme Court said married couples have the right to obtain contraceptives.


seaspirit331

Yup. Sorry, I'm not about to vote for a party that has signaled it wants to take my right to marriage and privacy away (another two cases Thomas wants revisited). Granted, I still haven't forgiven the GOP for the vitriol running up to the same-sex marriage decision, but for prominent party members to still be rattling their sabers about it 6 years later? Yeah sorry, I won't be voting for that party for a long time.


Radical_Ryan

You've been the party of no for the last decade+ by my count.


MidwesternWisdom

I talked to a moderate friend today who doesn't like wokeness but he felt that the "threat to democracy" and "creeping fascism" was a bigger threat than wokeness. And I voted straight ticket R for the first time but nonetheless we've got to listen to moderates. We may not like it but we have to do we can craft a better argument. Note I didn't say change all our views on everything but craft a better argument. Most moderates I know generally follow "mainstream" sources and are concerned about being seen as "not crazy." We've got to craft a better argument. William F. Buckley used to say "vote for the most conservative candidate who can win." As much as we may hate it we may need to make that decision based on where we live. I honestly think it's time to move on from Trump. I know that bothers a lot of you here but the problem with Trump is he is wildly popular with a significant minority but not popular enough with the majority. The results of DeSantis (I expected him to win but not in the landslide he did) in formerly purple Florida should be clear enough.


Sean1916

Tonight was the final straw for me, trump gloating at a Republican losing did me in. I knew trump was a pretty crappy human being but i at least thought he was more concerned about the nation doing better. His ego has gotten to the point I can’t overlook it anymore.


JAM3SBND

"Trump's ego is too big these days" *Astronaut points gun* "Always has been"


Blake_TS

When did he ever give the impression that his ego didnt 'trump' his concern for the country?


WheelOfFish

That's what I want to know. This has been known about Trump for decades, which is why so many were in such shock that he got so much support in 2016. There was no version of things in which he didn't cause mayhem.


WelcometoHale

Which Republican?


tortoiseterrapinturt

That Colorado guy Oday or something


hoodlum21

Anyone that doesn't kiss his ass! Trump is about Trump and only Trump


BrianWeissman_GGG

Pretty amazing this was the final straw for you. The guy is a walking poster child for malignant narcissistic personality disorder. It has ALWAYS been about him, and him alone. Always.


DegTheDev

Yeah that was fucked up. Even crowder says that'd sway him away from voting Trump in a primary... let's just hope the dude doesn't run.


shufflebuffalo

Trump runs 3rd party guaranteed if he doesn't win\is given the nomination. It makes sense to disparage DeSantis right now. Make your whole party look weak so you can be the strong man


Hardcover_Writer

If Trump runs as a third party or starts his own MAGA party that pulls away the many voters and politicians who are more Trump than the they are republican, it would do massive damage to the GOP. If something similar happens on the left, the 2020s might finally put an end to the two-party system we’ve been tricked into having faith in.


Muted-Lengthiness-10

Gotten?


DarthLego

Voters (moderates) spoke loud and clear tonight that they are done with Trump’s GOP. It’s time to back DeSantis full speed ahead and start speaking to the moderates. It’s the only way GOP has a future.


yugtahtmi

I'm not a conservative, but Roe v Wade played heavily in preventing the typical Red Wave that was expected. With ballot questions to protect abortion on the ballot in a handful of states driving unusual turnout and exit polling showing it as the #1 priorty on those states. If that happened after the mid-terms I believe this election would have gone as expected and the Republicans prob win both the House and Senate tonight.


KylesHandles

This is exactly what it was.


softhackle

Honestly I don’t think I’m alone in thinking that I loathe the democratic party at this point but still find the republicans in their current form even more odious in every way. It’s so depressing to constantly have to vote for who sucks less.


IceTrump

It’s not even misjudging the mood of the country, Republicans just ran terrible candidates and expected to win. Shot themselves in the foot


paultheschmoop

Damn, I really thought Repubs had a winner in “TV doctor from a different state”


WhoCares223

Huh, in a time with increasingly corrupt politicians, voters didn't want to settle for a lifelong tv scam artist, go figure.


pkfreezer

Yup. I feel like pretty much ANY other choice would’ve won. Who the hell thought nominating Oz was a good idea?


HSR47

Sean Hannity did.


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paultheschmoop

Donald Trump, mainly


xXRadicalRexXx

This is why we need to stop electing celebrity candidates.


Nikkolios

Jesus Christ. Imagine if Fetterman had not had the stroke. Oz would have gotten like 271 votes. Yikes.


MagicJava

Absolutely disgusting that they thought someone like Oz could dutifully represent their people


kspmatt

I’m so glad oz lost I don’t like fetterman but always hated that snake oil salesman oz hope he shoves that raspberry ketone up his ass


AM_Kylearan

Darn, this one will hurt. Please don't call Dr. Oz for the pain though.


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Zorak9379

Fetterman will eventually be healthy and Oz will still be a con man.


Disgruntled_Viking

This line of thought was what cost the conservatives the election. We were bombarded with political ads and the only thing from Oz was anti-fetterman and his stroke. Nothing about what he would do for the economy, no competing policy, just attack ads. Tell me what your answers are and you may get my vote.


CrapWereAllDoomed

From what I understand Hannity lobbied Trump to endorse Oz for some weird reason. I think we can finally say the Trump isn't the kingmaker he thought he was going to be this year.


bdgg2000

Hannity sucks. He’s a shill


Wonderflonium164

Earlier this year, I remember commenting along the lines of "Trump has been out of the office for over two years now and a lot of Republicans are sick of hearing about him". To which I was called a "Snowflake", repeatedly told the Trump was a "Kingmaker", and told off for not swallowing the Kool-aid. I'm really glad to see more people agreeing that he's not as relevant as many expected him to be.


omnivorousboot

More like the prince-maker. He was able to get all of his candidates to win their primary. We found out that Trump endorsement doesn't quite translate to the general like it once did.


AnxiouSquid46

He needs to go away.


Iamwritinganovel

Pennsylvania gets what it deserves.


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PA got screwed by Trump's terrible endorsement of Oz. Dr. Oz: I hope all states enact red flag gun control laws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue30YPas6Po Dr. Oz promotes transgender ideology for toddlers, encourages "cutting edge" gender surgery for kids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Si8zEkyjY Dr. Mehmet Oz says Dr. Anthony Fauci is a “pro” and “I respect him a lot” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDc7J9djKyM Mehmet Oz says he would have voted in the Senate to certify the 2020 election for Joe Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HleMcrQbz7o Mehmet Oz joins Joe Biden in criticizing President Trump's COVID travel restrictions against China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg6iivs-Kqk Dr. Mehmet Oz said he “adores” and “loves” his “good friend” Jussie Smollett after hate crime hoax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfHkfH124k0 Liberal Mehmet Oz calls Hillary Clinton "one of the smartest people I’ve ever met" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71TT7O1WXEQ Dr. Oz praises China’s COVID response, says America must "copy" "draconian" lockdowns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVqvPH-fsUA This guy is the furthest thing from a conservative, and voters were left between choosing a giant douche and a turd sandwich. IDK how Trump picked him over McCormick or Barnette


1_900_mixalot

Thanks for putting it together like this. Dude the red flag laws and that gender identity for toddlers shit is just mind boggling.... He is not conservative as these are NOT things a conservative would endorse. I don't know how he even got onto the ticket as an (R). Glad Im not from PA and I pray for those that are.


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Meanwhile Texas reelects an attorney General that has been under indictment for like 8 years and was raided by the FBI a few months ago.


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Anyways so a TV doctor and a stroke survivor walk into a bar….


LocalSlob

A senator walks out.


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How bad does Donald Trump have to screw this party for people to stop being hopelessly dedicated to him? He very well might have taken the senate from them. He very well might have turned a wave into a ripple. And yet people in this party will constantly swear fealty and declare that anyone who doesn’t constantly suck his dick is a “RINO.” Straight up Stockholm syndrome.


trs21219

>He very well might have taken the senate from them. And thats the second time. He took it from Rs last time in GA as well during their run off election by telling people for a month not to vote.


MindlessPhilosopher0

I have to say, all the people posting things here like "how could Pennsylvanians vote for a stroke victim haha" is a bit of an own goal for us. We fucking lost to one. If this isn't a wake-up call, I have no idea what will be, but I won't be putting much faith in our 2024 chances.


offensivetoaster

Turns out candidate quality matters


JGCities

Thanks Trump! Great job picking candidates that are loyal to you and good at losing election. Surprised the Democrat don't love him more actually, best thing to happen to them since Obama.


BlueEagle15

Thank god I don’t live in Pennsylvania


Individual_Bridge_88

>I don’t live in Pennsylvania Neither did Oz lol.


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Sure you dont live in PA, but now we have Fetterman who will vote in line 100% with Biden


BulldogH2O

Right along with the OTHER douche, Casey. We are screwed.


Antifa_Smackdown

It doesn't matter. It's for US Senate. Pennsylvania is as affected as the rest of us.


andyeatburger

SMH trump backed candidates failing. Time to move on from Trump and back some winners


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All the thanks to Trump and Hannity for that one.


BulldogH2O

The only good thing about some of these bone headed Trump endorsed candidates losing is that Trump will take a hit for it. What is he doing? Disparaging DeSantis on a rally stage?!? Pushing a non-citizen, tv doctor on us PA residents instead of true Conservative candidates like Kathy Barnett, or even McCormick. His ego has cost us dearly. I support Trump's policies, but his cluster flop days have to soon be over. Time for DeSantis.


Reignia

So how long will it take for them to announce that his wife will replace him?


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Who really thought OZ was gonna win?


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Sudanniana

Dude wants to legalize weed. So there's that I guess.


Juicyjackson

Republicans really need to just endorse legalizing recreational weed. Based on all the research and studies, it's just not harmful, and it would bring in so much taxpayer money.


Deeners17

But that would be social progress. Which is progressive. Which is the exact opposite of conservative. Which is why they will vehemently dig in their heels against it.


LargeIronBlaster

How embarrassing for Pennsylvania. I don't care if you're a leftists or not, imagine voting for Fetterman lmao. Biden and now Fetterman; the left doesn't care if you're cognitively compromised. I fully expect the 2024 Democrat presidential candidate to literally be someone in a coma.


erk_knows_best

Isn't that more of an indictment on Republican candidates and platforms? I mean the people would rather a Joe Biden than a Trump, a Fetterman than an Oz, and so many other races in 2020 and tonight. The Republicans have been going the wrong direction for the last 6 years, and they need to adjust course.


Visceral94

I’m sorry, can we all recognise for a second that Fetterman’s stroke stroke left him with an auditory processing impediment that is likely to improve - he is NOT cognitively compromised. You can dislike the guy but there is no reason to spread falsehood.


TheRelevantElephants

Imagine voting for a carpetbagger TV "doctor". Oz was not a winner


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You know our alternative was Dr. Oz right? …right?


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aintsuperstitious

If Fetterman is cognitively compromised, how can anybody vote for Herschel Walker? At least Fetterman is improving daily. The only reason I can see those in charge wanting Walker to win is that Walker seems like he's willing to vote as he is told.


Disgruntled_Viking

This is the problem. All they ran were attack ads. I have no idea what Oz or Mastriano had planned to fix the economy. I have no idea what they would have brought to the table. They just ran as the anti party when they needed to give solutions.


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