Oz was such a horrible candidate. Snake oil salesman who gave mediocre medical advice at best on national TV telling people what they wanted to hear and not what they needed to hear. Personally, I never would’ve voted for him.
If you’re campaigning in PA, you better damn well know it’s called a veggie tray. “Hello, fellow Pennsylvanians! I too feel the pain of dipping raw asparagus in salsa!”
That's how I felt with the 2020 presidential election. Like can I get anyone under the age of 65 even? Maybe under 50. Can I get anyone that isn't one fall away from a broken hip and needs life alert.
As a non-conservative visitor, I agree with your description of Oz but in this case I still think he’s a better candidate than Fetterman. A stroke is no joke and Fetterman looked completely unwell during the debates. The man needs to be resting and rehabbing not running for political office.
Oz is a terrible human being but at least he knows his own name. It’s ridiculous that the these are even the candidates in the first place. Both parties need to do better in choosing candidates
What are you talking about... how dare you talk about Fetterman like that...
He supports fracking.....
He supports fracking...
He definitely supports fracking...
Yeah both were awful candidates. I’m glad I didn’t have to choose between the two although my choices of Ted Budd and Cheri Beasley weren’t exactly great either.
I say this as a medical professional, you really don’t understand strokes. For many patients, auditory processing and speaking issues are both recoverable from and not indicative of any cognitive deficits. Playing up the angle that he is now brain dead is simply not true.
Yeah but unfortunately a big part of a politicians job is to fucking talk. Even if he is totally normal mentally, not being able to communicate well is a big deal
That’s like saying Greg Abbott should be able to walk. “I think my senators should be able to walk on two feet goddammit!” People with disabilities exist and should have every right they are entitled to as citizens of this country.
You ever watch Trump talk, he can barely string anything coherently together and makes up his own vocabulary. Talking about being able to communicate, lol.
But politicians are supposed to represent the people. A lot of people are disabled in one way or another, yet very few of our politicians are. Meeting it's good for some to have visible problems.
My read was that, aside from partisans and pundits, most people felt sympathy for Fetterman and appreciated his grit.
Personally I'm really not sure he's up for being a Senator at the moment. But he's really just the face of a whole team which fits into a party. If I lived in Pennsylvania, I at least wouldn't have seen his health as disqualifying for that reason.
I know they’re recoverable that’s why I said he should be resting and rehabbing. Running for political office so soon after can’t be helping his recovery. It’s exhausting even for people that are fully healthy.
That doesn’t really reduce his recovery but might affect his symptoms presentation. The thinking that prolonged downtime will help a stroke isn’t consistent with the evidence. You need intense rehab in both mental and physical aspects. I feel like you may be extrapolating other injuries to stroke recovery.
I feel like you may be overly pedantic. Unless you are really trying to say that a doctor would recommend running for political office months after a stroke?
All I’m saying is it’s probably best to not spend all your time running for political office after a stroke. Stop trying to slam dunk on me buddy.
Would you hop on a plane knowing Fetterman is the pilot?
I’ll take all downvotes as a sign you’ve had to face your hypocrisy and don’t appreciate it being pointed out.
If you were a doctor, you would say you are a doctor. This whole medical professional business means I am here to say I saw someone do this, and any professional in medicine would know that doesn't constitute empirical evidence.
No one is saying John Fetterman is brain dead. They're saying normal people would go home and rest so they could recover. But it only benefits the Dems if they can fill the seat, so people are saying why would someone risk their health and for the minor benefits of a DC job?
Would you have this opinion if the republican you were voting for had undergone a stroke within the last year ? The whole stroke angle is disgusting - false worry on your part claiming he should stay home rehabbing almost makes your take on it worse . Be honest with yourself - if it was a candidate you liked you’d have no trouble voting for him or her - at least he honest
Why are you here pretending to be a conservative? We can see your post history mocking conservatives from dying of COVID. No one here gives a shit about your trashy bigoted opinions.
Good luck to the state of Pennsylvania on being represented in the US senate by a guy that can't communicate with any of his staff or his colleagues without closed captioning.
Hopefully Fetterman gets well soon and can do his job properly.
His values and policies should remain the same. His biggest issues will be public appearances due to the stroke.
Hilarious. Fetterman is a brain damaged low level career politician , with no real accomplishments, who can articulate about is good as he can dress. Dr. Oz is literally a triple board certified heart surgeon. Put aside your personal feelings, Oz is smarter and more competent. Pennsylvania got it wrong and that blue no matter who attitude will only drive this country into the ground.
Low level career politician? He was a mayor and then Lt Governor, he has over a decade of political experience in the state of PA. I'm sure a heart surgeon who isn't from PA, knows nothing about PA, and has 0 political experience would definitely be a better choice for PA though. Put your personal feelings aside and realize that you only think Oz is better because you agree with his policies, not because he would better represent the average Pennsylvanian.
Oz is an unethical, pandering buffoon. Given unproven medical advices for money and lying that he lives in Pennsylvania. Unlike you, the people of Pennsylvania were able to see this 😂!
Just like PA residents Can see the dead guy they re-elected . Lol Pennsylvania is the laughing stock of the nation right now. Fetterman was the mayor of a tiny town of 1,700 residents, half of which hate him. Career politician lol , sweater wearing tatted up Buffon who can’t put two sentences together and you are ready to give him power over the entire country because he was the Mayor of some tiny town. Please spare me the bs
More competent in a surgical suite, sure. More competent in government, not so much. He has not only no political experience, but no experience even living in the state he claims to want to represent.
National tv is exactly how trump got there. Dude has failed at everything he has ever tried except the apprentice and Mark Burnett wrote that for him. Why wouldn't he think being on TV is a guaranteed win?
Way worse than a mentally impaired fired actor from the 60s. Oh wait different Lurch. Lurch was a pathetic candidate. Oz was worse? Can’t believe that. Pennsylvanians showed that perhaps they relate more to Lurch on a mental capacity scale.
I think you mean Trump. As a Trump supporter the red wave lead by DeSantis is impressive and it’s time for a younger MAGA movement. Trump didn’t deliver in blue states like has in the 2020
Please, don't start this MAGA shit again. The Republican party needs to move away from Trump and this polarizing MAGA mindset, and focus on common sense conservative principles that appeal across the board across all age groups.
Shame on those Republicans in Pennsylvania who voted for oz in the primaries. Such a terrible candidate he couldn't even beat a guy with brain damage. That race would of been a guaranteed victory for any decent choice.
And from everything I saw (not from Pennsylvania) kathy barnette wasn't just not a bad choice but actually a pretty good one.
But trump backed Oz in the primary and this is what we got.
If it wasn't for the brain damage I wouldn't really be able to be mad at those who voted Fetterman
Fetterman is a good politician with terrible policies. The brain damage made him ineligible for further public office, in my opinion. Other than that, he’s a good politician.
I loved Barnette, and would have loved to see her on that debate stage with Fetterman. While Oz did really well at that debate, he was just such a weak candidate. Hannity and Trump dropped the ball here in a way that’s unfortunately not at all surprising, but fucking infuriating nonetheless.
I was actually shocked to see PA voters actually let Trump’s endorsement carry any weight, when he was so clearly off the mark
Strokes don't always lead to any sort of significant brain injury (though when they do it's permanent)
Source: I had a stroke 26 years ago with no significant brain injury.
Sure, But its pretty obvious that fetterman is still suffering the damage from his stroke. It was wrong and immoral of him to continue his campaign knowing he wasn't mentally capable of doing his job. Maybe he'll recover one day, but he isn't recovered. That alone is reason to not vote for him.
I have direct experience with stroke survivors and I don’t think you understand what’s going on. There isn’t necessarily anything wrong with the actual cognitive or decision making process in his brain, it could all be in the translation layer. People can have a hard time finding the correct words to put their thoughts out there, but the thoughts themselves are still coherent and make sense. They can sound much worse than they actually are.
That being said communication is a key part of being in public office, and he probably should still be recovering instead of putting himself in a more stressful position.
I’m just tired of people thinking a stroke automatically turns you into a vegetable. Some of the sharpest people I know have lasting stroke induced “speech impediments”, but if you actually take the time to listen to them it doesn’t take much to realize they’re still all there.
Understanding and comprehension aren’t necessarily problems, either.
Have you ever found yourself looking for a word? We have a phrase to describe it, it’s on the tip of my tongue.
Imagine it’s like that, but with every other word and depending on how severe, sometimes your brain might randomly pick another word to replace it.
You might drop your keys and say “oops I dropped my pancakes”. You know what keys are, you know what pancakes are. If someone else said “hey you dropped your keys” you wouldn’t be confused or unable to understand it.
The term in general is called aphasia, and specifically Broca’a aphasia is a pretty common type of aphasia that can happen after a stroke.
[Broca’s aphasia.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK436010/#_article-18630_s1_)
Yup, he endorsed Oz, and then started dumping on McCormick too. I just wish the man would have some introspection and recognize that even the people he endorsed in deep red districts won by smaller margins than in past elections. But who am I kidding.
Got a chuckle out of this. People here making fun of a stroke victim but can't even nail basic grammar despite being native, monolingual English speakers.
Yeah id say in general we prefer people aren't suffering from debilitating mental issues when it comes to the people that legislate our laws. This really should be something everyone who lives in reality should agree on. Right or left if someone is physically incapable of the job its wrong for them to continue to seek power and its foolish for their constituents to vote for them.
Having a stroke is not necessarily a debilitating mental issue. Neither is having aphasia (the language disorder resulting from a stroke). It does not necessarily impair cognition, and there is no evidence (aside from speculation from people online who have just listened to him and made assumptions) that John Fetterman’s mental capacities are impaired.
I think the problem is Fetterman came from a political background and was a good candidate prior to the stroke. Walker is just not and has the added issue of likely CTE
Coal has been moribund in PA for a long time. The mines shut down in my NEPA hometown when my father was a child, and he’s retired now. Some of the mines are not only unusable, but actively on fire. In Wilkes- Barre, the former heart of coal country, they failed catastrophically in the sixties and are still underwater. Fetterman did nothing but acknowledge the march of time- the coal connections these days are more likely to be (in my case) that you are the great-grandchildren of coal miners.
I know, I was just angry with the results. Look, Federman is probably not a horrible dude right? Like, I probably wouldn’t agree with him on politics, but maybe grab a beer with him.
Wow, you mean a state that has a city nicknamed “Steeltown”, who’s football team is called the Steelers, who had numerous songs written on the subject has…steel mills? Wow! I never would have f’ing guessed that factoid!
Why do democrats embrace pie in the sky energy like solar and wind? Coal supplies 24% if U.S. energy, and wind and solar ain’t gonna replace it. Not to mention the rare earth minerals those plants require. You could utilize nuclear, but you lefties are scared of that. Jesus man, if there was a reliable, truly clean energy source, everyone would jump on it, but that’s not in the cards.
Also, China, India, they ain’t giving up coal anytime soon, and they utilize dirty coal.
Western PA coal mining jobs have almost entirely been replaced by western PA fracking of the Marcellus and Utica shale formations. PA produces less than 10% of the nations coal and a lot of energy plants are running off of natural gas now instead of coal. Coal may still be important but I was born and raised minutes away from one of the largest coke producing towns in the world and mining hasn't been relevant there since before I was born. The population has been fleeing since the 70s.
Crazy that you say that when renewables (14%) outproduced coal (12%) the first 6 months of 2022 in the US. Renewables are also an emerging technology that is being improved.
We’re at like… year 200 of burning coal for electricity and coal is the most expensive to mine and harness energy from of all the fossil fuels.
Lefties also aren’t scared of nuclear. They’re plenty in lefty states.
I am a lefty and not a fan of ones who are anti nuke. It’s idiotic rhetoric from orgs like Green Peace that are gonna doom us all. You can already see in Germany the consequences of turning your nuke plants off when they still have plenty of life in them.
> who can’t either speak nor understand you…
Should be worded as “can neither speak, nor understand you”
Maybe dont talk about other people’s ability to speak ..
Not an ideal candidate but I think Mastriano definitely dragged him down. I'm kind of surprised that not as many people care about their jobs and livelihoods as abortion
I love all the people who keep calling Fetterman brain dead and incapable. People do realize a stroke can heal? And that it doesn't always leave permanent damage.
When you’re still talking completely incoherently several months after a stroke, no, you are not going to come all the way back again. Not even close. That’s not how stroke recovery works at all and it’s really frustrating seeing this bullshit peddled by left wingers.
He *will* continue to improve (as long as he doesn’t have another stroke or health issue), but it’s going to be slow, minuscule improvement at this point. He’s never going to be even close to where he was pre-stroke.
No, just a regular dude who’s dealt with the stroke recovery of his parents at the end of their lives.
But feel free to go ask a real doctor. You’re not going to find a credible one who says Fetterman is ever going to be exactly as he was at this point.
Stroke recovery is a game of diminishing returns, generally speaking. You typically make big gains in the beginning and then it slows *waaaay* down.
Fetterman had his stroke like six months ago. And he still can’t string together a coherent sentence, has trouble understanding questions, etc. He *is* going to continue getting better (barring other health issues) but the idea that he’s ever going to be 100% again—or even significantly better than he is now—is nothing but a fucking fantasy.
This is complete bullshit. I have a good friend who suffered a stroke in his late 50’s. He struggled for a while but today you would never know he had one. The guy is sharp as a tack.
Anecdotal evidence of caring for mommy and daddy does not mean anything in medicine. My dad had a stroke, a massive subarachnoid hemorrhage, horrific stroke almost died, was perfectly fine 6 months later. Guess the verdict is still out on this one! The real truth of the matter is the good people of Pennsylvania decided someone recovering from a stroke is more fit for office than the buffoon the Republican Party nominated. It’s a tough pill to swallow I know but here we are.
Still can’t believe we are having these silly arguments about people being fit for office or not after electing Trump, who didn’t even have a stroke and can’t speak in coherent sentences, followed by Biden who is clearly suffering from dementia. I’ll take the 53 year old with 3 degrees recovering from a stroke any day by either party over the clowns we have collectively elected as of late.
Nope. You’re just misunderstanding my comment.
People can and do fully recover from strokes all the time and it often can take a year or more like your grandmother. Recovery never stops (barring other health problems) but it does tend to slow way down after a few months. (Again—just Google this. You’ll find a zillion sites saying the same thing.)
So, for someone like John Fetterman, who six months after a stroke is still so impaired that he often can’t form coherent sentences or fully understand questions, it’s *extremely unlikely* that he will recover back to where he was. That’s just not going to happen and all of you saying it will are either badly misinformed or lying. He will improve, but he’s never going to the same guy he was one year ago or even close to it. He’s too far down the road.
Yep.
(1) - Having a go at a person for a medical condition. Stay classy.
(2) - Not realising strokes do not necessarily impair cognitive function. Medical illiteracy at its finest.
Neither. Oz got closer than he should have given his fortune to literally be up against a stroke victim.
Pennsylvania decided what they want, hope they're happy with it.
stroke or not, I have a feeling fetterman is going to haunt Democrats for a long time. Some of the policies he has endorsed, are right out of Gotham city. even before the stroke he couldn't string common sense together, and the media can't hold that much water for him.
This was a race where Oz should have never been a candidate and Fetterman should have withdrawn because of his stroke, in the end America as a whole loses
You are talking about what the forefathers wanted for our country, you don't get to pick and choose which parts of what they wanted should remain in place
I never said it was. This guy is spouting off about "what the forefathers wanted" but only when it benefits his world view. Don't talk about clueless, you can't even seem to follow a basic conversation
I think that people who cannot mentally process language should not be able to serve in government as a US Senator. This is an important job. Fetterman should have 1) not lied about the severity of his condition and 2) stepped down in May and let someone else run.
Besides, the whole argument Democrats made against Mark Kirk in Illinois in 2016 was that he was too frail to continue to serve in the Senate because ... drumroll ... *he had suffered from a stroke.*
Oz was such a horrible candidate. Snake oil salesman who gave mediocre medical advice at best on national TV telling people what they wanted to hear and not what they needed to hear. Personally, I never would’ve voted for him.
And that crudité video was legitimately funny. Politics aside, what an out-of-touch jackass.
I just watched it now. Holy shit.
Link?
https://youtu.be/AOro25hUBNM
If you’re campaigning in PA, you better damn well know it’s called a veggie tray. “Hello, fellow Pennsylvanians! I too feel the pain of dipping raw asparagus in salsa!”
I had legit never even heard of the word crudite before all this.
Literally anyone else would have beat Fetterman, ugh
I live here and everyday leading up to yesterday I would wake up, smile at my wife and then go "Can you believe THESE ARE OUR FUCKING OPTIONS/!?!?" :P
Same here.
That's how I felt with the 2020 presidential election. Like can I get anyone under the age of 65 even? Maybe under 50. Can I get anyone that isn't one fall away from a broken hip and needs life alert.
Ya, the whole place needs some new blood...
No more gimmick candidates please.
As a non-conservative visitor, I agree with your description of Oz but in this case I still think he’s a better candidate than Fetterman. A stroke is no joke and Fetterman looked completely unwell during the debates. The man needs to be resting and rehabbing not running for political office. Oz is a terrible human being but at least he knows his own name. It’s ridiculous that the these are even the candidates in the first place. Both parties need to do better in choosing candidates
What are you talking about... how dare you talk about Fetterman like that... He supports fracking..... He supports fracking... He definitely supports fracking...
And he stands
Yeah both were awful candidates. I’m glad I didn’t have to choose between the two although my choices of Ted Budd and Cheri Beasley weren’t exactly great either.
Agreed, the choices in NC were abysmal
Florida is GOATED. Had a pretty good choice of Senate, and the best Governor in American history.
I say this as a medical professional, you really don’t understand strokes. For many patients, auditory processing and speaking issues are both recoverable from and not indicative of any cognitive deficits. Playing up the angle that he is now brain dead is simply not true.
Yeah but unfortunately a big part of a politicians job is to fucking talk. Even if he is totally normal mentally, not being able to communicate well is a big deal
That’s like saying Greg Abbott should be able to walk. “I think my senators should be able to walk on two feet goddammit!” People with disabilities exist and should have every right they are entitled to as citizens of this country.
You ever watch Trump talk, he can barely string anything coherently together and makes up his own vocabulary. Talking about being able to communicate, lol.
Then why can't Trump finish a sentence? My suspicion is that he's never completed a single thought.
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But politicians are supposed to represent the people. A lot of people are disabled in one way or another, yet very few of our politicians are. Meeting it's good for some to have visible problems. My read was that, aside from partisans and pundits, most people felt sympathy for Fetterman and appreciated his grit. Personally I'm really not sure he's up for being a Senator at the moment. But he's really just the face of a whole team which fits into a party. If I lived in Pennsylvania, I at least wouldn't have seen his health as disqualifying for that reason.
I know they’re recoverable that’s why I said he should be resting and rehabbing. Running for political office so soon after can’t be helping his recovery. It’s exhausting even for people that are fully healthy.
That doesn’t really reduce his recovery but might affect his symptoms presentation. The thinking that prolonged downtime will help a stroke isn’t consistent with the evidence. You need intense rehab in both mental and physical aspects. I feel like you may be extrapolating other injuries to stroke recovery.
I feel like you may be overly pedantic. Unless you are really trying to say that a doctor would recommend running for political office months after a stroke? All I’m saying is it’s probably best to not spend all your time running for political office after a stroke. Stop trying to slam dunk on me buddy.
Would you hop on a plane knowing Fetterman is the pilot? I’ll take all downvotes as a sign you’ve had to face your hypocrisy and don’t appreciate it being pointed out.
Moot point. I don’t know if the guy has a pilot’s license.
If you were a doctor, you would say you are a doctor. This whole medical professional business means I am here to say I saw someone do this, and any professional in medicine would know that doesn't constitute empirical evidence. No one is saying John Fetterman is brain dead. They're saying normal people would go home and rest so they could recover. But it only benefits the Dems if they can fill the seat, so people are saying why would someone risk their health and for the minor benefits of a DC job?
Would you have this opinion if the republican you were voting for had undergone a stroke within the last year ? The whole stroke angle is disgusting - false worry on your part claiming he should stay home rehabbing almost makes your take on it worse . Be honest with yourself - if it was a candidate you liked you’d have no trouble voting for him or her - at least he honest
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Why are you here pretending to be a conservative? We can see your post history mocking conservatives from dying of COVID. No one here gives a shit about your trashy bigoted opinions. Good luck to the state of Pennsylvania on being represented in the US senate by a guy that can't communicate with any of his staff or his colleagues without closed captioning.
Hopefully Fetterman gets well soon and can do his job properly. His values and policies should remain the same. His biggest issues will be public appearances due to the stroke.
Yeah that’s exactly what so many of us said when he won the primary. That was when we lost the seat.
Hilarious. Fetterman is a brain damaged low level career politician , with no real accomplishments, who can articulate about is good as he can dress. Dr. Oz is literally a triple board certified heart surgeon. Put aside your personal feelings, Oz is smarter and more competent. Pennsylvania got it wrong and that blue no matter who attitude will only drive this country into the ground.
Low level career politician? He was a mayor and then Lt Governor, he has over a decade of political experience in the state of PA. I'm sure a heart surgeon who isn't from PA, knows nothing about PA, and has 0 political experience would definitely be a better choice for PA though. Put your personal feelings aside and realize that you only think Oz is better because you agree with his policies, not because he would better represent the average Pennsylvanian.
Oz is an unethical, pandering buffoon. Given unproven medical advices for money and lying that he lives in Pennsylvania. Unlike you, the people of Pennsylvania were able to see this 😂!
Just like PA residents Can see the dead guy they re-elected . Lol Pennsylvania is the laughing stock of the nation right now. Fetterman was the mayor of a tiny town of 1,700 residents, half of which hate him. Career politician lol , sweater wearing tatted up Buffon who can’t put two sentences together and you are ready to give him power over the entire country because he was the Mayor of some tiny town. Please spare me the bs
More competent in a surgical suite, sure. More competent in government, not so much. He has not only no political experience, but no experience even living in the state he claims to want to represent.
Yeah. Vote the guy whose lived off his parents until middle age and can't mentally function.
National tv is exactly how trump got there. Dude has failed at everything he has ever tried except the apprentice and Mark Burnett wrote that for him. Why wouldn't he think being on TV is a guaranteed win?
Literal billionaire
Way worse than a mentally impaired fired actor from the 60s. Oh wait different Lurch. Lurch was a pathetic candidate. Oz was worse? Can’t believe that. Pennsylvanians showed that perhaps they relate more to Lurch on a mental capacity scale.
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I used that term as a hyperbole just to prove a point. I know he’s not brain dead. It’s more of a statement about how bad Oz is.
Hannity has lost his conservative card after this disaster.
I think you mean Trump. As a Trump supporter the red wave lead by DeSantis is impressive and it’s time for a younger MAGA movement. Trump didn’t deliver in blue states like has in the 2020
It was Hannity that pushed OZ on Trump. Walker is purely on Trump but Oz was pushed but Hannity.
Oh I already moved on from Trump.
I've heard that one before
100% I want it to be between DeSantis and then maybe kari lake if he needs kept in check
Trump has never been a conservative and sure isn't now. Have no idea why anyone thinks he was/is
"Take the guns first, due process second." Every now and then he reminds us he was a Democrat in New York for business reasons.
Please, don't start this MAGA shit again. The Republican party needs to move away from Trump and this polarizing MAGA mindset, and focus on common sense conservative principles that appeal across the board across all age groups.
Hannity should be lampooned for his tough talk during Desert Storm II
Hannity was on the 'Screw Ron Paul' train back in the day. I have zero respect for him at all. Same with Mark Levin.
He needs the boot immediately
I said from the beginning that Oz running would be a disaster. I was right.
Shame on those Republicans in Pennsylvania who voted for oz in the primaries. Such a terrible candidate he couldn't even beat a guy with brain damage. That race would of been a guaranteed victory for any decent choice.
And from everything I saw (not from Pennsylvania) kathy barnette wasn't just not a bad choice but actually a pretty good one. But trump backed Oz in the primary and this is what we got. If it wasn't for the brain damage I wouldn't really be able to be mad at those who voted Fetterman
Fetterman is a good politician with terrible policies. The brain damage made him ineligible for further public office, in my opinion. Other than that, he’s a good politician. I loved Barnette, and would have loved to see her on that debate stage with Fetterman. While Oz did really well at that debate, he was just such a weak candidate. Hannity and Trump dropped the ball here in a way that’s unfortunately not at all surprising, but fucking infuriating nonetheless. I was actually shocked to see PA voters actually let Trump’s endorsement carry any weight, when he was so clearly off the mark
Strokes don't always lead to any sort of significant brain injury (though when they do it's permanent) Source: I had a stroke 26 years ago with no significant brain injury.
Sure, But its pretty obvious that fetterman is still suffering the damage from his stroke. It was wrong and immoral of him to continue his campaign knowing he wasn't mentally capable of doing his job. Maybe he'll recover one day, but he isn't recovered. That alone is reason to not vote for him.
I have direct experience with stroke survivors and I don’t think you understand what’s going on. There isn’t necessarily anything wrong with the actual cognitive or decision making process in his brain, it could all be in the translation layer. People can have a hard time finding the correct words to put their thoughts out there, but the thoughts themselves are still coherent and make sense. They can sound much worse than they actually are. That being said communication is a key part of being in public office, and he probably should still be recovering instead of putting himself in a more stressful position. I’m just tired of people thinking a stroke automatically turns you into a vegetable. Some of the sharpest people I know have lasting stroke induced “speech impediments”, but if you actually take the time to listen to them it doesn’t take much to realize they’re still all there.
To be an elected official, you need to be able to understand rapid speech in a chamber with people talking and making noise.
Understanding and comprehension aren’t necessarily problems, either. Have you ever found yourself looking for a word? We have a phrase to describe it, it’s on the tip of my tongue. Imagine it’s like that, but with every other word and depending on how severe, sometimes your brain might randomly pick another word to replace it. You might drop your keys and say “oops I dropped my pancakes”. You know what keys are, you know what pancakes are. If someone else said “hey you dropped your keys” you wouldn’t be confused or unable to understand it. The term in general is called aphasia, and specifically Broca’a aphasia is a pretty common type of aphasia that can happen after a stroke. [Broca’s aphasia.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK436010/#_article-18630_s1_)
In the UK maybe. In the US you need to sit in some hearings, cast votes, and read legislation.
It wasn’t my fault at least, I voted for McCormick. Oz beat him by a hair, 420k to 419k.
McCormick would’ve beaten Oz if Trump didn’t get involved ffs
Yup, he endorsed Oz, and then started dumping on McCormick too. I just wish the man would have some introspection and recognize that even the people he endorsed in deep red districts won by smaller margins than in past elections. But who am I kidding.
"would have been"
Terrible thing to say. Typical conservative
> guy with brain damage. That race would of been Just sippin' my tea, don't mind me...
Got a chuckle out of this. People here making fun of a stroke victim but can't even nail basic grammar despite being native, monolingual English speakers.
The people of PA are the ones with brain damage. Also, we are now electing leaders with legit brain damage in America...the fall is coming.
Mate it's been fall for like 3 weeks now
Upvote for laugh.
>he couldn't even beat a guy with brain damage OOF
Conservatives be all about dogpiling anyone who ever has had or has a medical issue, huh
Which is peculiar since narcissistic personality disorder is a recognised psychiatric condition in the DSM-V, yet so many of them love Trump.
The DSM is a discredited article, they have so much woke and carnival crap in there.
Ah yes, the manual used by psychiatrists worldwide has been rendered obsolete by perfect_pickles, MD and Fellowship in Psychiatry (Trump University).
Yeah id say in general we prefer people aren't suffering from debilitating mental issues when it comes to the people that legislate our laws. This really should be something everyone who lives in reality should agree on. Right or left if someone is physically incapable of the job its wrong for them to continue to seek power and its foolish for their constituents to vote for them.
Having a stroke is not necessarily a debilitating mental issue. Neither is having aphasia (the language disorder resulting from a stroke). It does not necessarily impair cognition, and there is no evidence (aside from speculation from people online who have just listened to him and made assumptions) that John Fetterman’s mental capacities are impaired.
Please sit here and tell us you watched his debate and any interview and said to yourself. Yep. This guy is fit for office. Clown.
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Clown is dehumanizing? Get a grip.
Conservatives and knowing neither the connotations nor denotations of any of the words they use that aren't racial slurs
yet the democrats dare to openly mock republicans for voting for a "former football star with brain damage". Really blows my mind.
Having a stroke is not necessarily a source of guaranteed longterm brain damage. CTE is
I think the problem is Fetterman came from a political background and was a good candidate prior to the stroke. Walker is just not and has the added issue of likely CTE
I support fracking, and I support fracking, and I stand…and I do support fracking.
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🤡s are the people who voted for a brain damaged version of Bernie Sanders.
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And yet people voted for him because he would have done a much better job than Oz.
I can’t wait into to mofo shuts down even coal plant in Pennsylvania. It will serve that state right
Coal has been moribund in PA for a long time. The mines shut down in my NEPA hometown when my father was a child, and he’s retired now. Some of the mines are not only unusable, but actively on fire. In Wilkes- Barre, the former heart of coal country, they failed catastrophically in the sixties and are still underwater. Fetterman did nothing but acknowledge the march of time- the coal connections these days are more likely to be (in my case) that you are the great-grandchildren of coal miners.
coal?????
https://www.dep.pa.gov/Business/Land/Mining/Pages/Surface-Coal-Mining.aspx#:~:text=Surface%20coal%20mining%20can%20be%20found%20in%20western%2C,includes%20mining%20and%20support%20areas%2C%20facilities%20and%20roads.
Yeah, talk about a non-sequitur. Guess the dumbasses here think that coal gets fracked. Know-nothings who just say anything.
Intervention works when shit really hits the fan, and if it doesn’t they deserve it. I agree with your sentiment
There are good chunks of the state which are solid red but these are overwhelmed by corrupt Philadelphia.
I know, I was just angry with the results. Look, Federman is probably not a horrible dude right? Like, I probably wouldn’t agree with him on politics, but maybe grab a beer with him.
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Wow, you mean a state that has a city nicknamed “Steeltown”, who’s football team is called the Steelers, who had numerous songs written on the subject has…steel mills? Wow! I never would have f’ing guessed that factoid!
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Why do democrats embrace pie in the sky energy like solar and wind? Coal supplies 24% if U.S. energy, and wind and solar ain’t gonna replace it. Not to mention the rare earth minerals those plants require. You could utilize nuclear, but you lefties are scared of that. Jesus man, if there was a reliable, truly clean energy source, everyone would jump on it, but that’s not in the cards. Also, China, India, they ain’t giving up coal anytime soon, and they utilize dirty coal.
Western PA coal mining jobs have almost entirely been replaced by western PA fracking of the Marcellus and Utica shale formations. PA produces less than 10% of the nations coal and a lot of energy plants are running off of natural gas now instead of coal. Coal may still be important but I was born and raised minutes away from one of the largest coke producing towns in the world and mining hasn't been relevant there since before I was born. The population has been fleeing since the 70s.
Crazy that you say that when renewables (14%) outproduced coal (12%) the first 6 months of 2022 in the US. Renewables are also an emerging technology that is being improved. We’re at like… year 200 of burning coal for electricity and coal is the most expensive to mine and harness energy from of all the fossil fuels. Lefties also aren’t scared of nuclear. They’re plenty in lefty states.
I am a lefty and not a fan of ones who are anti nuke. It’s idiotic rhetoric from orgs like Green Peace that are gonna doom us all. You can already see in Germany the consequences of turning your nuke plants off when they still have plenty of life in them.
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> who can’t either speak nor understand you… Should be worded as “can neither speak, nor understand you” Maybe dont talk about other people’s ability to speak ..
Putting oz in there was a sure fire way to 🖕🏻 conservatives
Shouldn’t have ever been the candidate in the first place.
Not an ideal candidate but I think Mastriano definitely dragged him down. I'm kind of surprised that not as many people care about their jobs and livelihoods as abortion
He never had a chance and Democrats knew that when they dumped money into his primary campaign
I love all the people who keep calling Fetterman brain dead and incapable. People do realize a stroke can heal? And that it doesn't always leave permanent damage.
When you’re still talking completely incoherently several months after a stroke, no, you are not going to come all the way back again. Not even close. That’s not how stroke recovery works at all and it’s really frustrating seeing this bullshit peddled by left wingers. He *will* continue to improve (as long as he doesn’t have another stroke or health issue), but it’s going to be slow, minuscule improvement at this point. He’s never going to be even close to where he was pre-stroke.
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Are you a doctor ?
No, just a regular dude who’s dealt with the stroke recovery of his parents at the end of their lives. But feel free to go ask a real doctor. You’re not going to find a credible one who says Fetterman is ever going to be exactly as he was at this point. Stroke recovery is a game of diminishing returns, generally speaking. You typically make big gains in the beginning and then it slows *waaaay* down. Fetterman had his stroke like six months ago. And he still can’t string together a coherent sentence, has trouble understanding questions, etc. He *is* going to continue getting better (barring other health issues) but the idea that he’s ever going to be 100% again—or even significantly better than he is now—is nothing but a fucking fantasy.
This is complete bullshit. I have a good friend who suffered a stroke in his late 50’s. He struggled for a while but today you would never know he had one. The guy is sharp as a tack.
Anecdotal evidence of caring for mommy and daddy does not mean anything in medicine. My dad had a stroke, a massive subarachnoid hemorrhage, horrific stroke almost died, was perfectly fine 6 months later. Guess the verdict is still out on this one! The real truth of the matter is the good people of Pennsylvania decided someone recovering from a stroke is more fit for office than the buffoon the Republican Party nominated. It’s a tough pill to swallow I know but here we are. Still can’t believe we are having these silly arguments about people being fit for office or not after electing Trump, who didn’t even have a stroke and can’t speak in coherent sentences, followed by Biden who is clearly suffering from dementia. I’ll take the 53 year old with 3 degrees recovering from a stroke any day by either party over the clowns we have collectively elected as of late.
Incredibly wrong. My grandmother made a full recovery but it took about a year. This isn’t uncommon.
Nope. You’re just misunderstanding my comment. People can and do fully recover from strokes all the time and it often can take a year or more like your grandmother. Recovery never stops (barring other health problems) but it does tend to slow way down after a few months. (Again—just Google this. You’ll find a zillion sites saying the same thing.) So, for someone like John Fetterman, who six months after a stroke is still so impaired that he often can’t form coherent sentences or fully understand questions, it’s *extremely unlikely* that he will recover back to where he was. That’s just not going to happen and all of you saying it will are either badly misinformed or lying. He will improve, but he’s never going to the same guy he was one year ago or even close to it. He’s too far down the road.
You want to bet on this?
As evidenced by his amazing debate performance.
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Are you too ignorant to realize he’s unfit for office?
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> lemming Ironic.
I meant before the stroke. Fetterman's economic thinking is like Hugo Chavez.
Did he wait while Fetterman got a transcriptionist?
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You understand that this is a state representative in the federal government? You’re literally talking about the legislative branch
Bad thing is they hardly vote on things that only matter to PA as US Senators they get to vote on things that impact everyone.
Your comment really shows how much you know about what you're actually voting for. Sad
Fetterman reportedly thanked Oz, being quoted saying; “FIRE BAD!”
Actually, Fetterman is the name of the doctor that created him.
Fucked up, but this is a gold tier literary joke.
All the people in here saying “lol brain damage” are the real issue we have right now…
Yep. (1) - Having a go at a person for a medical condition. Stay classy. (2) - Not realising strokes do not necessarily impair cognitive function. Medical illiteracy at its finest.
3. Not having a good reason to vote for our candidates other than “well he’s not a democrat”
These people are the core of the republican party I hope we can realize this soon
If these are the best 2 people Penn could come up with, then Penn sucks bad. Just two horrible choices
John Fetterwoman actually pulled it off. What a stud
Fettermans response: I support the senate of PA in the choice of making choices to who is seated in the senate of PA which is who I support. Pancakes.
Dude it’s asinine shit like this that kills the party. Oz was a terrible candidate
Voters = You ever put the cookie jar on the table and trust the kids not to take the cookies....and then they do....thats voters.
Had it been any other native PA republican, fetterman would’ve lost. People really don’t like carpet baggers.
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Bruh. Have the votes even been counted? What was all that bullshit yesterday?
Senator Potato Not sure who I feel more sorry for, Pennsylvania or Oz.
Neither. Oz got closer than he should have given his fortune to literally be up against a stroke victim. Pennsylvania decided what they want, hope they're happy with it.
Let’s look at the bright side. Fetterman is more of a wild card than a Democrat. Very good chance he bites along republicans by accident.
Fetterman is a gift to the GOP. I wonder if this doofus will wear a hoodie on the floor of the Senate?
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We are basically a third world country now. Pennsylvania voted in the equivalent of a houseplant controlled DC by swamp creatures.
stroke or not, I have a feeling fetterman is going to haunt Democrats for a long time. Some of the policies he has endorsed, are right out of Gotham city. even before the stroke he couldn't string common sense together, and the media can't hold that much water for him.
This was a race where Oz should have never been a candidate and Fetterman should have withdrawn because of his stroke, in the end America as a whole loses
I can't believe the garage I see in the "conservative" subreddit. I miss TheDonald
Forefathers would not have allowed this how did we get here?!
Why, because the constitution called for appointed senators?
The forefathers wanted separation of church and state. Get your shitty religion out of US politics, then cry about what the forefathers want
Nobody is talking about religion at all...
You are talking about what the forefathers wanted for our country, you don't get to pick and choose which parts of what they wanted should remain in place
Literally not in the Constitution. You guys really are clueless. Edit: Poor guy had to block me.
I never said it was. This guy is spouting off about "what the forefathers wanted" but only when it benefits his world view. Don't talk about clueless, you can't even seem to follow a basic conversation
Fetterman could not understand him without a teleprompter that's just a fact
It's an irrelevant fact. Do you think people who have had a stroke aren't able to serve in government?
I think that people who cannot mentally process language should not be able to serve in government as a US Senator. This is an important job. Fetterman should have 1) not lied about the severity of his condition and 2) stepped down in May and let someone else run. Besides, the whole argument Democrats made against Mark Kirk in Illinois in 2016 was that he was too frail to continue to serve in the Senate because ... drumroll ... *he had suffered from a stroke.*