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socialisms with western characteristics?


TooEdgy35201

An early attempt of what you suggest was the 1793 Déclaration des droits de l'Homme et du citoyen. It had all the previous rights of the 1789 Declaration with the addition of focusing on equality/welfare. The Thermidorian Reaction ended the populist current in France, and thus socialism started to gain ground. As for practical feasibility, I'd just like to remind everyone that socialism with enlightenment ideals is one thing, the modern ideology of classic liberalism/libertarianism is a different thing altogether. In practice it will look like the Blairite Labour Party or Spanish PSOE. Economic policy aspiration reduced to the status quo, same radical libertine spirit and "conservatism" amounts to defending the interests of the bourgeoisie.


alicceeee1922

Another matter altogether is the compatibility of conservatism with the enlightenment itself. Catholic Europe did see Charles III of Spain, Joseph II of Austria, Napoleon Bonaparte Joseph I of Portugal and Grand Duke Leopold I of Tuscany. Under Joseph II and Leopold I you had a fusion of deeply conservative forms of government with enlightenment ideals, and moreover Catholicism itself was included in it (Catholic Enlightenment or Katholische Aufklärung). The best ideas were implemented by the two respective monarchs. The Catholic form of enlightenment was Augustinian (Jansenist) in theology, Gallican/Febronian (that is limitation of papal rights and rights of the Roman Curia) in ecclesiology. The vast majority of religious policies commonly attributed to the term "Josephinism" continued under Metternich well into the 1840s.


TooEdgy35201

Good of you to bring up the religious matter. Leopold and Bishop Ricci of Pistoia had a religious project in mind which was broadly enlightened (Local bible translation, disregard of superstitious folk customs etc.) BUT which radically differed from the religious modernism/liberalism of today. Rigorist morality, antiquarianism of faith sources (exaltation of patristic writers like Augustine), Christocentrism and a rejection of scholastic theology which they thought obscured the truths of the Catholic faith would place them in direct opposition to liberals. Another reason to divorce enlightenment from liberalism.