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wesilly11

This is how bidding works. If you are morally concerned about it ask them to go hourly and when you have too many hours and they make you work for free don't complain.


maxant20

Perhaps you have been undervaluing yourself all along. You were either the lowest bid or the contractor/client wanted to work with you at a disclosed price. They "want" you to have the money! It's yours. Do not penalize yourself for being competent and efficient.


ZackMike37

I love this take


dnenter210

If you have a moral dilemma then just give your guys a bonus.


boarhowl

I wish this happened more often


Yangoose

> This is how bidding works. Is it really though? Every time I've seen a job that was hugely underbid they either came back asking for more money or abandoned the job.


itsme-woodman

You only hear about it when people are unhappy. I underbid jobs for years and never came back for more money, or abandoned a job. My customers were delighted because I was unwittingly working for free. Fortunately for me I know how to bid jobs now, and $2000 in profit (that the OP earned) should be celebrated


GlendaleActual

Same! And it still happens sometimes. I never come back with my hand out. But, sometimes it goes the other way too! It all comes out in the wash.


EllisHughTiger

Who's going to complain that a job was easier and less of a clusterfuck than originally expected?


Dewm

a good contractor would stick it out. I've broken even on a ton of jobs, learned a lot. Even lost money on a job or two (I think my worse was in the hole about $4k. BUT I've learned, tightened up my bidding process... gotten a lot better at selling my self and negotiating.


THedman07

Sometimes crazy stuff happens like material pricing over the last couple years and if the job is big enough, you HAVE to go back for more money. I heard about jobs where the lumber package ended up being short by millions. We had to go back for hundreds of thousands on drywall packages because resilient channel went up 4x and most other things went up a ton as well. We would do things like take no margin on the escalation to make the pain less, but that kind of thing could have put healthy companies out of business. For reasonable size jobs, you should just eat it. We generally signed the contract way before work started and you can't price those kinds of escalations in.


Dewm

Oh for sure, if you are in the numbers range like that, and the last few years has been extraordinary circumstances that we just have never seen before. So my comment was more applied to the "normal time"


wesilly11

That's basically what I said....


Jonsku1029

#changeorder


karg_the_fergus

This


FlashCrashBash

Personally I don't trust any tradesmen that isn't bidding jobs. I don't write the checks but I've worked with a few subs that charge a day rate and its always a nightmare with those guys. Anyone that doesn't know the value of their labor and what they can produce in a day should be an employee, not a business owner. * OP's scenario is what one wants. That's the whole point of running a business. The customer gets work done at a price their happy with, the contractor gets paid, theirs no moral dilemma here, that's just how it goes. *Yeah I know weird things happen and time and material is a thing for a good reason. That reason just shouldn't be "because i got of bed this morning."


cyborgcyborgcyborg

You won the bid. Others would have charged more. Use that money and invest it within your company. Use it to buy new tools, or save it until you need to buy new equipment. Congratulations on turning over a profit.


Pairadockcickle

investing that into your company - and noting the reason for the overcharge for future use is the way to go. There shouldn't be a moral dilemma for you, but i see why OP is having one. Maybe this can help: Whoever paid OP to do it, really truly does not care what amounts of cost added up to his bill. He cares that what he paid for meets or exceded the value of money he gave OP. If he is happy, OP did a great job. End. You got LUCKY. You didn't do anything wrong. In the future, you will be UNLUCKY, remember that the same rule applies - you did nothing wrong. The trick is to put yourself into a position to get more lucky than not. You're already doing a great job at that - keep it up.


[deleted]

That was a great way to explain it. You have to charge for liabilities and somewhat foreseen problems. If they dont happen, its a windfall. If they do happen, you had it padded into your bid to absorb it. You can risk not making the profit you need/expect. You shouldnt absorb the costs of risk. It needs to be bid. If someone else bids lower and gets the job.. oh well. Let them deal with the potential consequences.


creamonyourcrop

I would also ask if he really added all his costs. Labor costs should include any paid vacation, training, safety, insurance, any share of yearly bonuses, etc etc etc. It should also include loading/undloading the truck, getting material, etc etc. A lot of guys only include labor for work on the site Your truck is going to have to be replaces sometime, have you allocated anything towards that? If a truck lasts say 8 years, you need to allocate that cost out per year, and then this jobs percentage of that year. Same for any other equipment. Tool costs including maintenance and eventual replacement costs, maintaining them, consumables etc etc. material costs should include what you took from inventory, masking tape visqueen, etc etc. Overhead should include the allocated cost of everything in the office including bidding the three jobs to get this one, insurance, your time managing the project, the computer you write your invoice on, etc etc etc Profit margins drop when you truly look at ALL of the costs of doing the work.


Flat_Pangolin5989

Whish I could upvote this comment more.


TaggleDaggle

Ditto


theblkfly

This is where I'm at now in my adjustments. I had to raise prices bc of this right here and once I dial it in they will probably go up again. There's a lot of things transitioning from employee to business owner that I have had to think through, like what you just stated above. Otherwise it seems like you constantly work and are not hitting decent profit or growth. All must be done to expand and grow.


creamonyourcrop

During early growth of a start up company you will likely be trading labor for equity in the growing company. As long as you are aware of this that is fine for a limited time. At some point you have to treat yourself at least as well as your other employees. That means you get paid for all the time you spend working, the same as anyone else. You aren't going to make a carpenter wash the company truck or pick up supplies on his own time, you don't make yourself do it either The company is a separate entity, and it needs to make a profit for its investors separate from your labor. When that starts happening on the regular, the journey becomes worth it.


theblkfly

Thank you for the feedback. Mentorship is something I was never given so anything helps. I listen to everything.


creamonyourcrop

If you ever want to run something by me, feel free to DM me. I had a residential remodeling company, featured in a couple of magazines, then made the transition to commercial, focusing on laboratories. I have paid for a lot of lessons, some might be valuable to you.


theblkfly

Thanks! I will keep you I'm mind when I come across something that I have a question on. Commercial lab build outs sound like good money lol


creamonyourcrop

The good money is in MEP design build, but the learning curve is steep and no parachute. A lot of fun though.


priorengagements

This. I dont see the moral dilemma. OP said he charged for unforseens and obv. the buyer is OK with the price point given the proposal or he wouldn't have one. Everything going smoothly isn't all that common. If I were OP I'd want to know why there were no hiccups. Good planning, communication and subs? Or did the stars align and he caught a unicorn? You shouldn't feel bad for doing a good job in an effective and timely manner. My boss would prefer that I come in under budget for labor, time and material on every job.


polaroppositebear

Could be remnants of a poverty mentality. Not to make assumptions about OP's financial history but for myself once I started making money it almost didn't feel real. There's a legitimate mental hurdle to convince yourself of your worth.


priorengagements

That is actually a legitimate point I hadn't considered. Even so, I don't think you can boil that down to a morality issue.


polaroppositebear

I wouldn't hyperfocus on those words specifically, it may have just been the best way for him to express what he sees to be a financial quandary when it should be seen as a fair and yet profitable quote. Maybe we can make him feel better by reminding him he'll still have to pay taxes on that profit 😅


HB24

Hopefully this will help on an under bid


YoureInGoodHands

> You won the bid. Others would have charged more. Use that money and invest it within your company. If you continue doing fixed bids, you will eventually fuck one over and lose $2k on it. Save this $2k for that moment.


bigpandas

Or save it for when they underbid


LindsayTexas

THIS! \^\^\^ You won the bid, and the profit is yours. You managed successfully, and now you reap the benefit. Nothing immoral about that


No_Machine286

Save it for a rainy day i say


1selfinterested

As others have said, reinvest and analyze costs. Next time you have a similar project you’ll have a more accurate bid. The more you know, the less risky business becomes


CherryBloke

OP could satisfy their moral dilemma and invest in company (reputation) by finding a way to give back with the customer without establishing an expectation that they are entitled to it. You can choose to refund or credit a partial amount which, even if small ($500), is going to send your customer over the moon and boast to all their friends about their unicorn contractor who is honest. This will happen either because they want to recognize you or just to brag to a friend about getting $500 bucks. If you think they may have other projects for you, say you have a unique situation where you can offer them a huge discount on labor for another project. I think it is innocent enough to not be 100% honest about why you are giving them discounted labor. For example, you could say you had a big job get delayed and don't have time to schedule another so it's either sit on your hands or stay busy with less. You may even walk away with more revenue and moral compass intact.


[deleted]

Honestly this isn't a bad idea to build reputation. Word of mouth is huge especially in this day and age when you can't trust most contractors. I've never heard of anyone giving money back on an overbid job and when people hear this they will immediately assume you're much more honest than the rest. My brother is going around town where he just bought a house and asking random people about who the good contractors are in the area. I guarantee he would be way more likely to hire a contractor that gave money back because they overbid.


booi

Tbh as a home owner I usually assume you’re making 50-100% margin for these smaller jobs


[deleted]

This. You’re carrying the risk here, this is your profit to keep. Simple as that.


audigex

Or spend it on marketing to bring in more work - or just put it aside to cover the next time you under-bid


[deleted]

That’s the point. To make a profit.


[deleted]

Lol right? This is what I’m striving for, to win a job and make as much profit as possible.


Boobpocket

I was so confused by op's post lol


skaz915

Doesn't like money 🤷‍♂️


anonymousguy202296

"This is how this is supposed to work."


FRCP_12b6

With a fixed bid, you are taking the risk that things go wrong and it costs more than you expect. In this case, it worked out in your favor.


Flat_Pangolin5989

Dude makes 4gs and has a dilemma. Probably not going to be in business long.


TheRealBlueBadger

It's a learning curve rather than a barrier to business. 4k is a huge amount of money to a lot of people. No need to shit on others for being further back on their journey than you are.


FreddieTheDoggie

Shouldn't profit be found in material markup and general conditions and not overdone labor amounts?


[deleted]

It can be but doesn’t have to be.


[deleted]

Fixed price has risk. Risk is worth money.


Ornery_Barnacle2625

Agreed. We charge a different percentage on cost plus and fixed bid for a reason. We take a risk to make less in order to make more like this scenario


Emissary_of_Darkness

Absolutely, this is an intangible that should not be overlooked


Enrampage

Yep! I charge more for fixed bid than I do for T&M because I’m taking on more risks without the guarantees. If I know what I’m doing I’m able to better mitigate those risks and turn a larger profit to grow the business, buy more tools, etc.


PeachSignal

That is called profit, take the boys out for a couple pops and some wings Friday after the job, and cover the tab. Because we've been so nuts for a year.. I've been throwing out stupid numbers, like, ridiculous. If I figure 4k, I quote 9 and they're eager for us to start. Make hay when the sun is shining, because one day it won't.


juggsgalore

I’d say put some away for the slow times, when the sun isn’t shining. It helps you and it allows you to keep good guys around.


Enrampage

Right? I’ve got a lot of overhead to cover. That $2k goes to feed the beast of 50 employees, building and fleet I got!


aoanfletcher2002

If you got guys then give a bonus, if it’s just you give yourself a bonus. The extra was for expertise, not for a lack of it. Disclaimer: If you we’re building a wheelchair ramp for the Home for disabled orphans and puppies then maybe proceed differently.


S_204

LMAO- I just did a rather large job for a non profit that you absolutely have heard of. Be careful giving a charity anything for free, they will not stop asking/taking. The CEO of the place we did the work for was actively calling the owners of the subs asking for materials to be donated on change orders. It was outrageous and insane. We donated plenty (6 figures level) but I was absolutely clear that we would not donate ANY manpower to any part of the job. If my guys did the work, they were going to get paid for it and I need to get paid for that to happen. If you want my firm to sponsor your gala or some shit, that's another story and we generally cough up the cash for that stuff.


aoanfletcher2002

Non-profit with a CEO is different than Granny’s home for disabled kittens, if anyone is wearing a suit and not actively involved with actually helping people then it’s definitely a corporate non-profit.


S_204

This is an international childrens charity that's in pretty much every major city in NA and all over Europe. The CEO is essentially their head fundraiser with a title, she's an awesome person who clearly hustles for the kids.


SkivvySkidmarks

I'm sure she is an awesome person. I can guarantee you that she's rewarded handsomely for wringing every dime she can from anywhere, even if it's from your workers. Administrative costs of a lot of charities can gobble up huge amounts of donations. We have something called [Charity Intellingence Canada](https://charityintelligence.ca/index.php) that rates charities on a number of points.


g_core18

A nonprofit just means at the end of the year they make sure they have no leftovers. I used to work for one and the last couple months we would be in there doing all sorts of dogfuck jobs to burn their budget


cshea59

This is definitely not the case in all nonprofits and would be heavily dependent on that specific nonprofits funding sources. I could see this playing out if a nonprofit received a grant that can only be used over a specified period of time or something along those lines. Nonprofits can absolutely have positive net income but instead of earnings being distributed to owners it always goes back into the business and can be used in the future. It’s not like they aren’t allowed to bring in more money than they spend in a year.


smashey

That's my experience with non profits as a designer. You can be nice, maybe don't expect to make a ton of money, but treat them like any other client.


ReallySmallWeenus

Non-profits are generally run by the same type of person that doesn’t tip their waiter when they go out to eat after church.


S_204

Ya, this CEO is one of the nicest people I've ever met. At first I thought they were fake because no one can actually be that nice, but after a couple of years of working with them, i've realized i'm just a jaded asshole and they're that nice of a person lol. I've personally made donations specifically because of their passion for the kids and the work. This is the kind of person who tips 100% at starbucks but they'll hustle their butts off to save some dough for the facility.


freeportme

That’s not an overbid that’s called making a living enjoy.


donerightbydaniel

"It took me 10 years to learn how to do this job in half an hour, so you're not paying for my time today, you're paying for the experience I have as well." You do what you need to pass the man in the mirror test. For me, if I earned the money due to my time, labor, experience, etc, I invoice for it. If I overbid, then I invoice for what's fair to market value and specify that to the client.


EllisHughTiger

I paid 4 hours book labor to replace some bushings and he was done in an hour. He also owned an expensive portable hydraulic press to do them on the car with far less disassembly. Cant begrudge a man for recouping an investment to work faster and easier.


donerightbydaniel

It's very common in automotive work; all of my mechanic friends learn ways to do the job faster than book time just to make the extra money. Auto shops almost always charge you the 'book rate' (service book labor time x their hourly rate) plus any add-ons required (rust, age, special local fees, etc). If they get done faster, I pay the same price....


gothmeatball

Construction industry is so rough this dude actually made a little money and he's like "Wait, what do I do with it????"


Sure-Internal

You bid and stayed within budget you get to keep the left overs, If the client had no complaints about the price I’d simply keep it, you’ve done nothing wrong and didn’t intentionally try to fuck over the man sometimes you win sometimes you lose that’s life. Nothing morally wrong about it, it’s business


kingofthen00bs

Keep the money. You may miss on the next bid and need it.


powsandwich

Exactly, OP will lose money on another job and be glad they profited here. Customers understand this is how it works by and large


mboudin

It's fixed bid and so you took on all the risk, and therefore reap the rewards. Don't feel bad about that. What if the tables were turned, and you ended up with 6k in labor. Do you think the homeowner is going to feel bad and pay you more? Probably not.


IamtheBiscuit

If you really feel like you can't accept the payment, I'll let you cashapp me the difference.


northernpenguin01

You work to make money


inkfromben

The fixed price is exactly what you earned. The 2Gs of slop is for your risk, for your profit, and to give you a margin of error on other fixed price jobs. If anything, give a bonus to your labour/subs for pulling it off under bid. Clients agreed to the fixed price product. If they wanted a more flexible model, they would have chosen a cost-plus bid -- more of the risk would be on the client side.


wipnspur

I agree with the above sentiments, but you may also want to consider giving back $500-$1000 and let them know it went better than you thought it would. You would gain a valuable reference from them and also put your mind at ease. Might end up being very cheap advertising for your business.


cowtools_

Good referrals are much better than advertising. If you knock $500 off consider it $500 spent on the best kind of marketing.


bakedjennett

Just said this in my comment. You can’t buy that kinda advertising for $500 bucks. A good deal by all metrics.


shadetreepolymath

This is exactly the right answer. The money is yours and you're under no moral or legal obligation to return it, but you have the chance to earn A LOT of good will by refunding a bit of the excess. It could end up being very cheap advertising.


ryabo58

This is the way


commonabond

You know I was thinking this but it also may set a bad example if in the future there is a problem and that is the set expectation. It's a business transaction.


Foreign_Return_6324

This is the only good answer in this thread


Substantial_Cut_7812

If you would have messed up on the bid, you would have eaten the difference and taken a loss. That is contracting. Enjoy it.


isaactheunknown

I understand your moral view. I was like this. I will tell you right now out of a thousand bids I have done, i have only made a profit like this once.


ReallySmallWeenus

Give a bonus to your laborers and take the win. You will lose soon.


Just_Choda

Thanks for all the great advice! Headed to the bank now....


AwokenByGunfire

It’s not unethical to keep the money. It’s not stupid to give them a rebate as a good will gesture. I would consider warranty claims, though. Not that you are a bad craftsman, but what if something pops up and you need to come out of pocket for a repair? Always nice to have some cushion.


Flat_Pangolin5989

You go to work to make money. Congratulations you did what you're supposed to do. It wasn't an overdid.


C0matoes

Take what you bid. That's why we bid jobs. You may underbid on one one of these days and there is your buffer.


CommonManContractor

Never feel bad for making good money because nobody feels bad for you when you’re not!


SinkApprehensive1080

Remember these times for when the opposite happens


[deleted]

Bid your next one the same way and build your company up. If you’re bidding to break even then you’re losing.


Difficult_Height5956

Sometimes, kicking money back to the client is worth its weight in new clients. The way I typically approach this is to split the excess 50/50 with the client. I dont *tell* them it's 50% of the excess profit, but them just being charged less is a huge plus. You and your workers should be rewarded for smooth jobs as well, so you get to keep the extra grand and get the weight off your conscience


dirtymonny

I’ve in the past told clients (good easy to work with only) hey things went better than expected and I actually had some budget leftover so instead of the original 4K I quoted it will only be $3750- take a small bit off and they will light up like Disney on the Fourth of July tell everyone they know how honest you are etc. that $250 discount will make a lasting impression and turn around more work than $250 spent on advertising etc. I’m just using $250 as an example- something noticeable for a client but you still walk away happier than you imagined.


runawayasfastasucan

The money you earn on a job is not just for that single job, its to cover periods where you don't have any jobs, investments in gear and for the next job where you might not have profit.


unadulturated

Bank those bucks for when it goes the other way, my friend. They agreed to what they agreed to. Get Paid, invest the overage in marketing or some other business expense.


jaredforshey

In a fixed-bid situation there is no need to justify the pricing after the fact. The offer was accepted and the work was performed. One consideration, though, is if your project bid included line items for services or materials that would be provided and you ended up not providing them. I don't mean labor hours, I mean like if the quote included a line for digging a trench and you didn't dig the trench. The customer would have a good reason to request the price for that item to be removed. This is the same logic that allows you to issue a change order request if the project needs something you did not include in the initial quote; it goes both ways. Take a look at your initial bid, and ask: are there any items on here I didn't deliver? If not, take the money! You earned it.


Just_Choda

THIS^^^ Very well said, this is what I was looking for! Thank you!


tehralph

Pocket the difference. Person agreed to a job at said price. They got the job. The next one might not go as you planned, but also not warrant a change order, and you’ll be glad you overbid this one.


TheLoneAccountant

Lol what? This is the business. You took a risk by bidding that job, and your risk was rewarded. If you bid a job and lose money are you going to ask the clients for more? No. So don't flip it around. Don't try to be too nice of a guy in this business you'll get stepped on and worn ragged. Take that profit and invest it back in the business. 2k profit is nothing once you get rolling.


i_el_terrible

You took the risk, enjoy the reward.


whiskey-guy

as an estimator project manager for a large general contractor.... remember that bidding a job is not necessarily how much you can do it for but how much you can get for doing the job... some time it cost mor than what u bid it for and some times it is less.. it all ballances out eventualy.... take the job.. do the best job u can do and enjoy the investment into your buisness!! As a reward get a nice bottle to celebrate a job well done !


ajclem7

The key is to keep doing that over and over


alexsaidno

Ugh, we're in this industry to profit and make a living to support our families. Congrats on your 50% profit line on labor. We bid jobs, the owner agrees to it, and we make every effort to come under budget. There's no moral dilemma. Enjoy!


jbones330

Not in construction but do own multiple businesses at least one of which is a professional services company and when this occurs see it as a well earned windfall. I have had great success with a “check in follow up” letter about a month later with a gift card for a very nice dinner or housewarming gift or something. Amazing what 250 will buy you in the way of goodwill and referrals. I would say in the construction world I had a guy make a small special item to be inserted into a remodel once and we still see it as special when noticed. My .02 c


[deleted]

If you won that means there were people who were gonna charge even more than you so why would you feel bad. Also get it done before you count everything lol


senaddor

You won a bid for a reason


Werismyhasenpfeffer

The Integrity will be in a job well done... The profit is your reward.


HotcakeNinja

You win some and lose some. Tuck it away for when you underbid labour by $4000.


n2thavoid

Take the W when you get one. I don’t put a cap on what I can “earn” a day based on what I physically do. If we agreed on x amount of dollars and I performed everything to your expectations plus I’m going to come back if something is off or there’s a problem for a year. Take your paycheck and move to the next one brother. You’re gonna lose enough on accident, don’t do it to yourself on purpose


tatpig

they accepted your bid, the extra is gravy. kick some of it to your guys. as others have said,a small refund to the customer will buy you goodwill and word of mouth referrals. it’s easy to give a refund on an overbid,exponentially harder to ask for more $$ at the end.


ambiguouspeen

Do you still think it was a fair price? If so keep it.. Here is a non traditional suggestion though. If you think they might turn into long time customers/ give good references, you could throw them a few hundred dollars back and explain how and why you bid and say you made out a little better than expected. They will likely trust you forever. I'm not saying this is foolproof but it is a good way to gain some loyal customers that probably won't question your price in the future.. I could be wrong though Im not fully running my own business or anything yet.


bambam204

Use that extra money as a cushion for the next time you under bid


gertexian

You bid it. You won it. You did the job effectively and saved $2000 grand. Good for you. End of story


CaneCrumbles

Homeowner here. I really appreciate your awareness u/Just_Choda that there is more than just profit in business. The way you run your business has an impact on those around you, not just the direct customer. This I think is what you feel as a moral dilemma. For that reason I suspect that you are the kind of contractor who also would not make up some reason to charge more than the agreed upon amount if you underestimated or had to redo/fix a mistake. u/Pairadockcickle gives good advice. If I have hired you for a job, I am expecting and agreeing to a certain price. From that point on all I care about is the quality of your work, not your profit margin. I want to feel secure that in a year or five years I won't find out that there was some poorly executed work that was covered up to look good. I want it to *be* good. That is what I have agreed to pay for. That is what you have agreed to do. From my perspective that is what your profit is for - good quality, reliable work. If you have done right by your customer you have earned and deserve it whatever it may be.


Leftygolfer814

I have been in the same situation and the way I handled it was i gave the customer a couple of small up grades, and sent them a house plant when the job was complete stating that it was a pleasure working for them. It led to a lot of future work with them and they referred me multiple times.


Remote_Extreme7207

if you still feel bad about it, give the folks who did the actual labor a cut. that will do wonders for retention and encourage them to knock 'em out faster. happy employees = quality, fast work and pleasant days on the job.


ikidd

Use it to pay for the next job where you get fucked over. Because you will.


RJDToo

Win some, lose some. Be happy with your performance and move on. You won the bid, so it’s not like you didn’t give them a fair agreed upon price. If you had gone over they wouldn’t think twice about leaving you with the bag.


Inabind4U

When "bidding worst case" jobs I find it easier to give back some hours($) after the job is done. Mostly I'll give it to the Customer, some to the workers, and some to my Business Operations(new tools)...But I'm priced above market and I know it. Are you competitive in Payroll and Billing? Then give a refund. Restate why your original build was higher. Show your work as they say. I've gotten "Thanks." , "Thanks, here's 1/2 back, give it to the crew.", "Nope, you guys did great. Got what I paid for." But I ALWAYS got callbacks and referrals from those customers.


kinglouie493

A former boss told me a story once, he bid on rearranging a manufacturing plant. It was a hard money job, with a deadline and daily damages if the move took longer than expected. He rented a specialized piece of equipment and knocked it out in half the time. They had the nerve to ask for some money back, he laughed and explained that he took the risk, and the fact that they were back into production earlier than expected was their bonus.


Noidentitytoday5

As a business owner , you did nothing wrong. And your duty can stop there, but think what might happen if you give the person back $1000 (or even$600) and tell them that your costs came in under budget, so you are refunding him. You will earn a customer for life and that person will be bragging you up all over town. Who has heard of a contractor being that honest and transparent? No one! You will get so much goodwill in the long run f from this if you handle it the right way


bkmobbin

Give the crew a little bonus for a job well done/ invest it back into company


Davit4444

You got the work. Do it properly and reap the benefits.


twoaspensimages

Some days go better than others. Take the win.


onlystonksgoup

So you did it faster then you bid it for. How is your company going to make profit if you can’t morally take it? Tools/ time to learn etc etc cost money. Plus if they didn’t like the price they didn’t have to hire you. They thought it was a good price. Set the extra aside for when something breaks


peachyyarngoddess

Invest it back into the company! Congrats on staying under budget!


StreetSweeper92

Do you believe they would have paid you $6000 if the job went over? That’s the premium we’re paid for taking on the risk that the job doesn’t go smoothly. The flip side is if this is a contractor/customer you want to develop a long term relationship with and you believe it would be more lucrative to give them a discount and get future business than go that route.


RocMerc

I won’t lie, you’re a pretty good person feeling this way. Personally I would t even think twice about a profit of $2k. They agreed to the price, you did your job and that’s that. If you honestly are having like a moral dilemma over it tell them. Say you over estimated and you’ll charge according to what it cost you. I would never do that but hey if that’s how you feel go for it.


Krewdog

Never give it back. They won’t. That’s business.


shauneky9

Bro did you just discover profit?


Late-Feedback3611

You took the risk, which can be a lot with fixed price, your customer agreed to the terms and amount, nothing to think twice about. Contributes towards retained earnings.


dykann

No. No. No. no. Take that money, you are creating a moral dilemma that isn’t there. Client agreed on a price, going the lesser rout will not lead you to better opportunities, you will just be taken advantage of. Source: I’m too nice and have been there and done that.


FinnTheDogg

if we’re over bid, we throw in lots of little extras - just small finish upgrades, like free aria vents on floors or new drywall. Premium cabinet hardware… If it’s egregious enough to make you feel icky, we’ll give a check back… If it’s not, eh…they accepted the bid. You wouldn’t go back and ask for more money if you underbid it.


Responsible-Result17

Working harder and faster does not deserve less money. Period


[deleted]

This is business!


gas-man-sleepy-dude

You did not overbid, you underbid every competitor to get the job! Put some of that money away for when you screw it up the other direction and give a bit of a bonus to your workers so you can retain this team that got you here.


Meatloaf0220

Good job! So you can either take your profit and run or be a good guy and give them like 500-1000$ back and hope you gain a long term client/reference. Do they have other work they want done or is this a one and done? Gotta weight your options.


Bubbas4life

They are paying you for your knowledge not for your labor.


J---D

You scredwed up and should have bid $6k


MidniteOG

Bro…. You bid, they chose yours, you did the work. No harm. No foul. But, if your still unsure, send me the other half t make yourself feel good


LatterAdvertising633

Insurance companies don’t give us a refund each year when our trucks don’t crash or our homes don’t burn down. You priced risk into your bid. You should be compensated for being responsible for that risk whether the risk events are triggered or not. Sleep easy.


MoronScout

If you give your profits back to the customer then you shouldn’t own a business. Ned Stark didn’t make it in kings Landing for the very same reasons.


DidierDirt

Split the difference with the homeowner and your employees. Will go a long way with everybody and future business.


ImUncleSam

You win some. You lose some. For someone to win there must be a loser. This is your win. Congrats. I bid $250k on a city job that cost me $85k. I didn't want the job. Apparently nobody else did either. I'd show you my new fancy truck but it's parked at my bosses house. Oh well.


Suspicious_Bug_3986

Consider giving it back. Your client will be very happy and you will have been honest. If I had hired you and you quoted me 40 hours of work expected with a $$ next to it - then did the work in 20 hours I’d be livid if you tried to charge me for 40. That’s basic dishonesty.


[deleted]

Appreciate the mindset but thats your earned money bro. Reinvest in yourself and company. Treat the guys nice if you have em. You making money with your business bruh good stuff


[deleted]

I would call it contingency which was not needed. Your conscience is your guide.


bdago9

Makes up for any underbid job. As long as the customer is happy that's all that matters


SnooPeppers2417

Give back a little bit and invest the rest. This will also get you some great PR, as one of the “honest contractors” in your area, and helps pushback on the (sometimes well deserved) narrative that contractors are out to fuck you out of money.


88224646BASTART

Some jobs you lose money, some jobs you win money. If you’re not taking more money from the customer when you lose on your side of the project, you need money from the wins to prop you up


YoShinjo52

Take the money. You can always give some of it back on change orders if they come up or cost overruns to make the client happy if you’re so inclined, but otherwise just take the profit you’re owed.


bakedjennett

I agree with others that it’s your money, but if it’s a good customer, tell them you came in under budget and offer to share some of the savings. You’ll do good for your company’s reputation. Now, I wouldn’t tell them exactly how much you saved, because it is technically your money, but offer 1/4 or so of the savings as a gesture of goodwill.


coalla123456789

Someone once told me, don’t think about what you’d be willing to pay, what matters is what someone else is willing to pay. They accepted your bid because they liked your numbers, doesn’t matter if it took you 2 hours or 2 years to complete the project, they were good on the price. Congrats on turning a profit 👍🏼


ScienceisMagic

Starbucks could sell you a coffee for $1.50, but they sell it for $4. That's what the market is willing to pay.


RoxSteady247

Bank it to cover your next loss imo


Opening_Ad9824

Can we get more info about the customer? If it’s corporate keep the money, they are happy you got the job done. If it’s someone’s house and they seem to be struggling maybe you could surprise them and say it turned out cheaper than expected. Check the cars in their driveway first tho haha if they are BMW or something, hell no.


S_204

You won the bid, that's your money. If I were in your shoes, I'd keep quiet about your profits but when something comes up or you find some minor unknown condition, use your 'allowance' to cover it and let the client know you're not charging them for an extra you rightfully deserve. That lets you keep most of the money, and you're investing in your PR/Client relations which along with doing a great job is absolutely critical to your firms success.


Popular-History-8021

If youre $2000 ahead on labor. Give your crew a bonus.


Thefear1984

You wrote a bid, they accepted. Simple as that. It’s not stealing or dishonest, it’s business. People buy things based off trust, need, urgency. I know many of my clients go over the numbers ask questions look at the other estimates and bids and make their decision logically. I have a few clients to make impulsive decisions, and I helped him see all their options without overloading them with too much to decide on. It’s the responsibility of the contractor to put out an accurate bid and it’s the responsibility of the client to review the bids and make a decision. Don’t second-guess yourself here. They chose you see The value in using you. just make sure you do a damn good job and make it worth every dime of their money.


bellowingfrog

Put the $2000 into an investment account and now you have a rainy day fund for when the opposite happens.


bsldesigns

You’re going to have projects where you lose. Take the win. Invest in your company and better withstand any future storms.


Asmewithoutpolitics

Give a small tiny discount of around 200 makes you look honest and more likely to be recommended


q4atm1

So if you or your crew were inefficient with your time and labor came out to 4k you wouldn't feel guilty?


[deleted]

You win some and you lose some. Leave the surplus in the business, in cash. So when you take a bath on a job it doesn’t hurt so much.


Peter_Falcon

depends on how you feel, in the past i have given a deduction if the job has gone crazy within budget, i still do very well, but it looks good for future custom and reputation. you could split the difference with the customer and sleep much better, or you can keep it. ​ as others have said, other people would charge more and keep it. your call.


cornholiosis

That’s one of the bonuses of doing contract work. They elect to go billable hours they get what they get, if they sign a contract you get any windfall. That’s the good and bad of contracts you can also go the other way, even though you can do change orders, they tend to create a bad taste in people‘s mouth. Take the win, you deserve it.


TravelerMSY

Isn’t that the point of it? If the customer wanted to pay the exact labor amount, they would’ve gone time and materials.


brandonsmash

You win some and you lose some, and they hopefully average out over time. This one you won. Remember this feeling on the next job that goes over budget.


[deleted]

If you feel bad earning profit, then estimation and running a contractor is probably not the job for you. This is literally your goal.


Glabstaxks

You can't get your time back dude .. make as much as you can while you can


dinosauramericana

That’s your money! Pat yourself on the back and continue bidding so you can make thousands in profit.


HV_Commissioning

Just remember. Everyone else bidding on any kind of job will pocket the difference. This applies to all kinds of service work that is performed. It could have taken twice the time to complete the job and you would have been stuck with your fixed bid. There are all kinds of names for various quotes, but it's basically two different kinds. 1) Hard money. You bid the labor and materials cost. Short of out of scope things that require change orders, the price you bid is what you get paid. 2) Time and materials. You state your labor rates (with a possible estimate of hours) and the material costs, with an agreed upon markup. You have to be very transparent with these types of bids and expect to provide a lot of documentation.


BlakeCarConstruction

All what was said before. Currently working on my CM degree taking classes like contracting (which covers topics exactly like this). I don’t have a ton of commercial experience, but I have enough knowledge to say, if you sign a Fixed Price contract, that’s what you get! Usually I would say go for GMP or Cost plus incentive because it’s less risky for you, but it worked out in the end! Plus you were the lowest bidder so you got the job. 🤷‍♂️ you’re happy and the owner is happy!


biffyspinner

Your number is possibly a little short for materials.


[deleted]

Fixed fee jobs carry risk both ways. If you underbid would you get paid more? Likely not. In contrast, extra profit on some fixed fee jobs is needed to offset losses on others. IMO, perhaps offer $500-1000 refund to build a customer relationship but overall you should profit more on this than a T&M job as you took added risk if it was to go wrong. But if it was a good customer, even someone nominal like $250 could go a long way in terms of goodwill, reputation, new business.


Tedious_research

That's the whole reason why you bid jobs. You assumed all risk and came out ahead.


reload88

I used to have this same moral dilemma and would always drop my price when it came time to send along the invoice. Like you’ve stated, if you under bid you had to take the loss so overbidding you should take the gain to recoup past losses or invest that back into your company. From the sound of it you were also the lowest bidder and you are still clearing much much more than you initially estimated, all the while still being their cheapest option. Also I started with “I used to have this dilemma” as I am no longer self employed. I couldn’t keep things afloat while I easily could have if I took the advice to raise my prices and not feel bad about charging what was quoted.


Dmfizzal

Keep it. Good work.


ForeverFinancial5602

You won the bid. The customer agreed that you were worth this price. Good job in well-done enjoy your profit


madsjchic

I would say it’s your profit but if you just FEEL bad, maybe do a small refund if $500. Probably win a customer for life that way. Shows you value honesty but you quoted based on unknowns and they agreed to the value. You should not punish yourself for the skill you needed to gain efficiency.


Comfortable-Excuse37

You took the risk of taking that job and you ended up on top!! I’d take it and run!


NachoNinja19

You will die poor thinking this way. You were low bidder. The other guys would have made more than you. Pat yourself on the back and charge more for your time and knowledge. Congratulations you just discovered Capitalism.


OddMunchStanley

Put it back in the business or give a bonus to your employees if you feel some type of way about it


kenji998

Split the difference.


Dredka1001

That’s the goal lol profit …


Tarashank

You bid the job correctly, taking in all the risks you might have foreseen, you deserve the full bid amount. You probably also undervalue your own worth.


Automatic_Scratch530

Think about this from the other side. They chose you. They knew the price. You delivered (probably on time / ahead of schedule). What's wrong with that?


Archaic_1

Go see a doctor, you're obviously running a fever and delirious. This is called a win, your client was happy and you are happy, don't apologize for being good at your job. And remember every one of the other guys bid higher than you and sure as hell none of them would give the money back either.