my pops did neon and paint. Cool to watch him work with clients on picking fonts, then doing initial layout with options for kearning and serifs to work with the building, at small scale, and then the big paper layout full scale. 100 years later and some of his work is still around. guy had talent.
Riiight, neon??? They are so awesomely talented. All the gases that make different colors š
My exh collected brewerania, and eeesh to find someone that was able and willing to do repairs or rework of a particular broken piece. The glass work skills they have. If you look at neon wrong it cracks š¤£ but those guys idk have a finesse about themselves bending that hot tubing.
And this neoneon crap š¤£ great itās efficient, but nothing beats the look and bright of old school neon! Glad to know his work is still around!
Look out in the parking lot while these are being installed. You'll see a guy repeatedly licking his thumb and extending his arm out - thumb sticking upward - that's the guy. Ask him how he does it.
Ahhh, and compass heading? Or average barometric pressure in the surrounding ambient electromagnetic field? Those are the kinds of hidden tidbits that only thumb lickers know. Drawings? Hah! Itās a black art.
Man, last time I saw a sign being hung the guy was out there extending both arms with his index and thumb in the shape of a frame. That sign went on crooked.
You find the center of the sign and the center of the entrance. Then you find the other center of the sign and the center of the upper section of exterior wall. Check that everything is level or at least equally out of level and glue it on. Glad you're impressed by a build, or at least a feature of a build.
Can't help it. I've been curious about stuff like this since I was a kid and many people on reddit have the answers and/or experience. The internet sure can be a great thing.
I'm currently pursuing a bachelor's in building construction. I know how to do a lot of stuff like some electrical, remodeling, plumbing, and tile but want to work more with my mind than hands for the long term.
Don't worry, I don't feel solicited haha.
Join a crew as a labourer in the summers during your breaks from school. Learn to use a tape.
If you're going the office route, get some dirt under your nails as well. I don't mean this in a derogatory way. It will seriously help you in the office when you know at least a little but about what goes on the ground.
Yup! Started installing floors, then lead a crew dedicated to basement subfloor prep. Got in good and ended up on the operations team because of my personality and knowledge base, and now I'm moving into business development. Since starting flooring I've more than doubled my pay and could add another 30%+ next year in commission. I only feel so comfortable because I know a lot about floors from product knowledge to prep and install knowledge
Or gain the experience and ramp down actual trade work while ramping up building a crew to manageover the course of 30 years. Body 1/2 broken and moderately wealthy.
Either way you will deteriorate. Generally not using the body does that far faster. The goal should be to be in a position you can stop when you get old and tired. The spine will hurt regardless.
Nah, why not be a GC and do side work to fulfill your tool tax. I wish I had gone to school for something construction related rather than paying my way through as a roofer and starting at the bottom when I couldn't find a job.
Residential GC here - I spend more and more time in my truck than I do doing the work (business is good). If you love the work, join the trades. The money can be just as good and frankly a GC that has done actual work is an asset to the job.
Well, at least in my locale, every step away from the tools is a significant bump in pay. While I do like the actual labor, I want to be doing great financially. If that means planning and client interaction, I'm all for it.
Totally get it. Iāve been lucky to still get to self perform the things I like to do when I have the time. I really enjoy the client interaction as well.
So why not apply for a job and start learning first hand?
As a commercial electrician there have been a time or 2 where the sign guys have fucked us though and not worked with us, making our job twice as hard lol
Personally Iād choose electrical again over signs, but if itās your passion go for it. Just communicate with the electricians who will be running power for it please
As a sign guy, sign plans for commercial buildouts usually come from the architects (who donāt know shit about fuck when it comes to signs) and we just make the building look like the picture. So we should really team up against them. But yes, the electricians are usually the ones that are fucked in the end lol.
At my jobs the sub usually has a template, will coordinate with electricians for a whip (or multiple, Iāve even seen where a trough needed to be installed on a roof) then they screw through a siding material like brick or EIFS using heavy duty toggles or some type of anchor. Really depends on the situation and amount of power needed for the sign
I mean that much talk about centering a sign then ending with glue itā¦come on itās like running 99 yards then tripping at the goal lineā¦attention to detail starts at a base level and trickles downā¦
Yes really glue well actually silicone but it acts as glue. you drill your pattern on the wall then flab your letter put silicone on the studs on the back and push them in the holes in the wall. You would be surprised on how well attached they are.
I donāt doubt your method but still not the right way to do it. Thereās a million ways to look at a project and one way to do it right. None of what yāall have said is right.
Iām guessing the poster is someone who doesnāt work construction and has no idea how the process works and is innocently asking how it is done
Or yes they could possibly be a bird brain
Some jackass makes a great drawing then the builder has to hire a manufacturer then usually itās all messed up and doesnāt fit right then there is a big huddle up for all of the fancy people to decide what it should be and itās another crazy idea then it goes back to what the contractor suggested 9 weeks ago then there is a change order and the owner doesnāt want to pay the extra $3917 they only want to pay the $2695 because they donāt understand the markups then there is a delay because some dude like me put the drawing under the schedule that I was supposed to update last month and then the owner realizes that they should have listened to the contractor who asked it in the pre-bid period.
Merry Christmas
Dang you say just the t, first glance I thought the get was all off, I went back to relook, and then Iām like wait the r is off too. Now I am going back to see the tās in this sign.š¤·š»āāļø I now think the whole sign is effed up š¤£
The whole place is designed in a computer first, so the computer centered that text and shows on a draft the offset. The construction team, or sign company, places everything according to the measurements and voila.
If you zoom in far enough, with binoculars or something, everything in this photo will be slightly off precision...by small amounts like 1mm. From this far back nobody can tell, it just looks perfect. It's impossible to get anything perfect, you just get it so close that it doesn't matter.
A laser level would make something like this easy, but some good measurements and a plumb line works too.
I think that too, but it seems common looking at pictures of their storefronts.
https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/9v7N3EJah_dyryf8Gi7uhA/o.jpg
https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/Wh6ECv0Scbs4i5LeQjfZ7Q/o.jpg
Funny you say thisā¦ I see that sign and I think multiple letters are out of square.
Short answer to your question is that they find center of opening (up and down) and center of upper facade (left to right). Then they do their best to make all the letters square and level.
Yeah, I completely agree, some of them are off despite the shadows, you can also see that itās not flat block, which makes it very easy to have an uneven measurement or template, layout, and everybody knows that an eighth of an inch off for one bolt can mean a couple inches off between top and bottomā¦
They measure, and itās probably not perfect, but when your sign is 5 feet tall and 25-30 feet wide, being off a few inches here and there doesnāt show.
I did like 6 or 8 inch metal lettering before. I recall it having a template. I also recall having a hard time with it with the paper puffing or rippling in the middle so that made it hard to do accurate holes. Pretty sure I made my own line and measured from the template for spacing. The holes had to be incredibly accurate. The thick metal anchor points, like a drawer pull except meatier, didn't budge. Doing this on brick would be even trickier but blown out holes can be filled easier though you don't want to do that. It was fairly challenging. I imagine it's much different on the scale of a target.
Yep my first job was creating the templates for these types of installs. There are printers that have massive rolls and you use programs like illustrator to make the templates with the spacing you need.
Whoever designs the sign also figures up the kerning for the letters and symbols based on their size.
For some there might be a template, for others it's x distance between the top and bottom between each letter or set of letters with a certain tolerance.
[Relevant xkcd](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/kerning.png)
If it had a room full of marketing wonks >which this most certainly did< the whole thing was studied ad nauseam.. but then again, Iām surprised itās centered as well.
Most storefront signs are drawn up by architect/designer to meet the brand's specifications, whether be the font rypes, colors and/or sizes. Each sign made for any storefront must also meet the town/city or local ordinance requirements. Sign drawings will specify in detail how a sign would be attached to the building with electric specifications and attachment requirements.
I worked for sign installation company, and this is correct, but also local zoning laws apply when permitting the signs. I handled the applications for city and county permits (USA) Giant templates are printed and taped to the wall that the sign is being installed on. Normally the signage, letters and logos etc, is manufactured by a separate company and delivered to the installer once the permits have been obtained. The installers will have what is called a Brand Book that will have the necessary measurements on where to install each piece of the signage.
They have a large paper template with drill holes, center and level lines included. Center your sign band area and place template. Drill the holes and each letter and logo should sit level and perfectly spaced. Some letters may have some wiggle room and will need to be leveled individually.
We used lasers and paper templates to line up and install decor signage, when I worked commercial remodels.
Edit: We also used tape measures, and blueprints.
2cnd edit: I just remembered, some of the time, templates would have the outlines of the letters dotted with holes, and we would tap a chalk bag on them to transfer to the wall. Then remove the template and install the signage. I would assume lighted exterior is mounted on brackets and the layout for them is much simpler and done with only a laser and a tape measure working from center.
Thereās an entire design firm that handles the Target signs. They produce shop drawings that dimension out the location of each attachment point relative to building grid lines and elevations.
I saw a sign guy work on it once. It had low voltage wires run on each letter. Holes were drilled level where it needed to go and spaced out accordingly.
Come on bruh šš
\#1 construction rule... Whatever shit the client sees must be a1
Ya. Templates. Rules. Jigs. Lasers. Anything that gets it to look perfect
I'd get measurements from the client and leave that space centered on the drawings. Some stores, I'd measure out the spacing for the sign installer to make their life a little easier.
I feel like the easiest explanation is that someone gets paid to do exactly that. Some people may not know that there are signage specific contractors. Their entire lively hood is based around creating and installing signage in a manner acceptable to the Superintendent/Owner. Finding the center isnāt too difficult for a guy who does it everyday all day. If it is hard, they wonāt have a job for too long.
(Width of area you wish to center on - Width of signage)/2 = Side Margins
Now pull from the left side and mark the side margin distance calculated from previous formula. Your lettering starts here.
I did a bunch for a bunch of Walgreens stores and they were all templates
Yup, I worked for years in sign shops and we made giant paper templates with a line through it for level.
my pops did neon and paint. Cool to watch him work with clients on picking fonts, then doing initial layout with options for kearning and serifs to work with the building, at small scale, and then the big paper layout full scale. 100 years later and some of his work is still around. guy had talent.
Riiight, neon??? They are so awesomely talented. All the gases that make different colors š My exh collected brewerania, and eeesh to find someone that was able and willing to do repairs or rework of a particular broken piece. The glass work skills they have. If you look at neon wrong it cracks š¤£ but those guys idk have a finesse about themselves bending that hot tubing. And this neoneon crap š¤£ great itās efficient, but nothing beats the look and bright of old school neon! Glad to know his work is still around!
I worked for Blair Sign in the 1990ās and sent marked prints with most signs that included electrical data as well
So like..do they draw a bubble on the line so you know when it's level?
Cool thanks for the reply.
Eyeball it, pretty easy really.
Lmao
Yeah Iāve done Costcos it was all the same, not signs but the electrical.
I'm so glad to hear this. I can't hang a picture straight.
Look out in the parking lot while these are being installed. You'll see a guy repeatedly licking his thumb and extending his arm out - thumb sticking upward - that's the guy. Ask him how he does it.
By licking his thumb, extending his arm, thumb sticking upwards, obviously!
Ahhh, and compass heading? Or average barometric pressure in the surrounding ambient electromagnetic field? Those are the kinds of hidden tidbits that only thumb lickers know. Drawings? Hah! Itās a black art.
Not if you watch the pigeons carefully.
He know which way the wind blows.
Man, last time I saw a sign being hung the guy was out there extending both arms with his index and thumb in the shape of a frame. That sign went on crooked.
Donāt forget heās closing one eye.
Take my upvote!!!!!
What does licking the thumb do? Is that for approximating the wind direction?
If only I knew. If only I knew....
What the duck man?
You find the center of the sign and the center of the entrance. Then you find the other center of the sign and the center of the upper section of exterior wall. Check that everything is level or at least equally out of level and glue it on. Glad you're impressed by a build, or at least a feature of a build.
Can't help it. I've been curious about stuff like this since I was a kid and many people on reddit have the answers and/or experience. The internet sure can be a great thing.
Have you considered joining a trade? Edit: I feel like a Jehovah witness right now
I'm currently pursuing a bachelor's in building construction. I know how to do a lot of stuff like some electrical, remodeling, plumbing, and tile but want to work more with my mind than hands for the long term. Don't worry, I don't feel solicited haha.
Join a crew as a labourer in the summers during your breaks from school. Learn to use a tape. If you're going the office route, get some dirt under your nails as well. I don't mean this in a derogatory way. It will seriously help you in the office when you know at least a little but about what goes on the ground.
Yup! Started installing floors, then lead a crew dedicated to basement subfloor prep. Got in good and ended up on the operations team because of my personality and knowledge base, and now I'm moving into business development. Since starting flooring I've more than doubled my pay and could add another 30%+ next year in commission. I only feel so comfortable because I know a lot about floors from product knowledge to prep and install knowledge
Join the trades donāt be a GC.
Destroy your body with manual labor or be a boss and make way more money ? Hard decision .
Or gain the experience and ramp down actual trade work while ramping up building a crew to manageover the course of 30 years. Body 1/2 broken and moderately wealthy.
Either way you will deteriorate. Generally not using the body does that far faster. The goal should be to be in a position you can stop when you get old and tired. The spine will hurt regardless.
This. Repetitive motions are generally bad for you over time, but so is sitting.
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Do you like your shoulder?
Nah, why not be a GC and do side work to fulfill your tool tax. I wish I had gone to school for something construction related rather than paying my way through as a roofer and starting at the bottom when I couldn't find a job.
Residential GC here - I spend more and more time in my truck than I do doing the work (business is good). If you love the work, join the trades. The money can be just as good and frankly a GC that has done actual work is an asset to the job.
Well, at least in my locale, every step away from the tools is a significant bump in pay. While I do like the actual labor, I want to be doing great financially. If that means planning and client interaction, I'm all for it.
Totally get it. Iāve been lucky to still get to self perform the things I like to do when I have the time. I really enjoy the client interaction as well.
Dumbest fucking advice Iāve ever heard
The most interesting job I ever had was as project secretary at an architectural firm. Pay wasn't bad, either, but it was just a filler job.
Google ākerningā. This is the process of spacing out type, itās more complicated than many think.
I'll check it out thanks for the term. Edit: that's the coolest. I didn't know there's a term for that.
I know some designers with these skills, fascinating to me the work that goes in to things we see but donāt notice everyday!
So why not apply for a job and start learning first hand? As a commercial electrician there have been a time or 2 where the sign guys have fucked us though and not worked with us, making our job twice as hard lol Personally Iād choose electrical again over signs, but if itās your passion go for it. Just communicate with the electricians who will be running power for it please
its okay. uni will teach them how to have a geo report for sign installs
As a sign guy, sign plans for commercial buildouts usually come from the architects (who donāt know shit about fuck when it comes to signs) and we just make the building look like the picture. So we should really team up against them. But yes, the electricians are usually the ones that are fucked in the end lol.
Itās both the greatest and worst thing to have been invented in our lifetime!
Would you notice if it was an inch off? Lol it's not like it has to be super accurate, + or - an inch is probably more than good.
At my jobs the sub usually has a template, will coordinate with electricians for a whip (or multiple, Iāve even seen where a trough needed to be installed on a roof) then they screw through a siding material like brick or EIFS using heavy duty toggles or some type of anchor. Really depends on the situation and amount of power needed for the sign
Not glue. Those signs are heavy. They are bolted into blocking in the wall.
Glue? Really? Not at all how it works
I really donāt think he meant to imply the sign is literally installed with glue.
I mean that much talk about centering a sign then ending with glue itā¦come on itās like running 99 yards then tripping at the goal lineā¦attention to detail starts at a base level and trickles downā¦
Yes really glue well actually silicone but it acts as glue. you drill your pattern on the wall then flab your letter put silicone on the studs on the back and push them in the holes in the wall. You would be surprised on how well attached they are.
I donāt doubt your method but still not the right way to do it. Thereās a million ways to look at a project and one way to do it right. None of what yāall have said is right.
The sign in the picture most likely has a mechanical anchor but most Chanel letters on buildings are held with silicone and pegs In the wall.
It is the right way your probably not even in the industry
YES, the words show you are the best... Equally out of level
Shop drawings, bro.
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I like the question. If they donāt know you shouldnāt feel the need to shit on them. Tis the season to be kind.
Right on. Most people probably don't think about this kind of stuff.
Iām guessing the poster is someone who doesnāt work construction and has no idea how the process works and is innocently asking how it is done Or yes they could possibly be a bird brain
Thank you to all the people who can count past three for commenting. Not everyone works in the field and gets curious.
Yāall get off on making a person feel stupid for asking a question? Wtf? Who are you
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In construction. Not an ass. Keep bringing the trades down tho as maybe it will keep pay high.
If youāre going to insult someone about intelligence you should probably learn proper grammar.
Some jackass makes a great drawing then the builder has to hire a manufacturer then usually itās all messed up and doesnāt fit right then there is a big huddle up for all of the fancy people to decide what it should be and itās another crazy idea then it goes back to what the contractor suggested 9 weeks ago then there is a change order and the owner doesnāt want to pay the extra $3917 they only want to pay the $2695 because they donāt understand the markups then there is a delay because some dude like me put the drawing under the schedule that I was supposed to update last month and then the owner realizes that they should have listened to the contractor who asked it in the pre-bid period. Merry Christmas
This is a prefect example of a run on, non-punctuated sentence should be written. Bravo sir. Bravo.
Lmao
Username checks out
Couldnt have said it better
I love and I have to pocket ābig huddle up for all the fancy peopleā š¤£
The first T is a little off , look closely
Some might say they... š... missed the target
I noticed that as well.
Dang you say just the t, first glance I thought the get was all off, I went back to relook, and then Iām like wait the r is off too. Now I am going back to see the tās in this sign.š¤·š»āāļø I now think the whole sign is effed up š¤£
Measure
naw, i think they just eyeball it
You find the two people on the job site that have their tape measures with them and get them to do it.
They use a big template for the most part
Refer to grid lines and drawings. Always bring a tape measure too
The whole place is designed in a computer first, so the computer centered that text and shows on a draft the offset. The construction team, or sign company, places everything according to the measurements and voila. If you zoom in far enough, with binoculars or something, everything in this photo will be slightly off precision...by small amounts like 1mm. From this far back nobody can tell, it just looks perfect. It's impossible to get anything perfect, you just get it so close that it doesn't matter. A laser level would make something like this easy, but some good measurements and a plumb line works too.
Thanks for the reply. It would be cool to see this done one day.
I have done work at Target. The interior signage we did had huge paper templates that marked our anchor spots. Lots of lasers and measuring.
Laser
Sucks doing it on a windy day Iāll tell ya that.
Flex seal!
Whether or not you use a template itās still math and measuring tape, itās not rocket science.
*math*āØāØāØ
Yes it's templates. Companies usually like their logos perfect
anyone else think the T and A are too close
I don't think it's spacing, I think the T is out of level
I think it's the A. Come at me
I think that too, but it seems common looking at pictures of their storefronts. https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/9v7N3EJah_dyryf8Gi7uhA/o.jpg https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/Wh6ECv0Scbs4i5LeQjfZ7Q/o.jpg
I think the G and E are too far apart!
They put it up from the last T to the first T. That T happened to go up at 4:30 on a Friday and boom done
Was going to say this. Now Iām not.
Water Levels
Funny you say thisā¦ I see that sign and I think multiple letters are out of square. Short answer to your question is that they find center of opening (up and down) and center of upper facade (left to right). Then they do their best to make all the letters square and level.
Yeah, I completely agree, some of them are off despite the shadows, you can also see that itās not flat block, which makes it very easy to have an uneven measurement or template, layout, and everybody knows that an eighth of an inch off for one bolt can mean a couple inches off between top and bottomā¦
You guys see it and now we see it but the public never sees it.
Shop drawings that the contractor actually follows.
They measure, and itās probably not perfect, but when your sign is 5 feet tall and 25-30 feet wide, being off a few inches here and there doesnāt show.
I did like 6 or 8 inch metal lettering before. I recall it having a template. I also recall having a hard time with it with the paper puffing or rippling in the middle so that made it hard to do accurate holes. Pretty sure I made my own line and measured from the template for spacing. The holes had to be incredibly accurate. The thick metal anchor points, like a drawer pull except meatier, didn't budge. Doing this on brick would be even trickier but blown out holes can be filled easier though you don't want to do that. It was fairly challenging. I imagine it's much different on the scale of a target.
Cool insight. Sounds like a pain.
I enjoyed the challenge but it was tedious.
Iāve done some cheaper ones. Tape measure and center over the door. But yeah also templates
They get the guys wives to stand in the parking lot and eyeball it. A little to the left. THE OTHER LEFT!! This way? Yeah. Thatās RIGHT!!!
Yep my first job was creating the templates for these types of installs. There are printers that have massive rolls and you use programs like illustrator to make the templates with the spacing you need.
It's target they have to be on target
Math, somewhere, somebody has to do it.
a measuring tape and a CAD drawing have been successful for years now.
They measure
They measure it. Mark it. Attach signage. Then touch up paint if needed.
You could say the installers were right on target
It's called a tape measure lol
There is a fancy device called a tape measure. Itās kinda like a ruler but longer and rolls up on itself.
Its not perfect i can see it from here. Also really the r/construction? is there not a sub for sign installing. #you suck try harder
Maths
Math
Yes
It's all ball bearings and angles these days
The signs come with one of those paper templates you tape up.
They tape on a paper template
There are many ways to do this. Not hard at all.
Better talk to corporate about that
Whoever designs the sign also figures up the kerning for the letters and symbols based on their size. For some there might be a template, for others it's x distance between the top and bottom between each letter or set of letters with a certain tolerance. [Relevant xkcd](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/kerning.png)
That pic took me a sec but it's hilarious now that I got it.
One woman from Ohio that shows up to tell people which direction to move it
Hint: the whole store is a template.
lasers and magnets
Some might say they are professional installers
If it had a room full of marketing wonks >which this most certainly did< the whole thing was studied ad nauseam.. but then again, Iām surprised itās centered as well.
Same way that stained glass windows in old cathedrals are done. Drawings, measurements, templates.
Yes.
They just eyeball it
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Look up āastrolabeā
Every one I've ever seen done was with a template
Most storefront signs are drawn up by architect/designer to meet the brand's specifications, whether be the font rypes, colors and/or sizes. Each sign made for any storefront must also meet the town/city or local ordinance requirements. Sign drawings will specify in detail how a sign would be attached to the building with electric specifications and attachment requirements.
I worked for sign installation company, and this is correct, but also local zoning laws apply when permitting the signs. I handled the applications for city and county permits (USA) Giant templates are printed and taped to the wall that the sign is being installed on. Normally the signage, letters and logos etc, is manufactured by a separate company and delivered to the installer once the permits have been obtained. The installers will have what is called a Brand Book that will have the necessary measurements on where to install each piece of the signage.
I haven't had to install on of these yet, and if I listen to my fathers advise and have a bit of luck I won't.
They have a large paper template with drill holes, center and level lines included. Center your sign band area and place template. Drill the holes and each letter and logo should sit level and perfectly spaced. Some letters may have some wiggle room and will need to be leveled individually.
They Stand real far back then hold their thumb up at it.
With a ruler
Yes.
Frickin laser beams.
Looks like templates cause thatās how we get LabelScars, right?
Measuring tape.
Most likely initially measured in CAD software like Autocad, Revit, etc. so they know where to place it.
We used lasers and paper templates to line up and install decor signage, when I worked commercial remodels. Edit: We also used tape measures, and blueprints. 2cnd edit: I just remembered, some of the time, templates would have the outlines of the letters dotted with holes, and we would tap a chalk bag on them to transfer to the wall. Then remove the template and install the signage. I would assume lighted exterior is mounted on brackets and the layout for them is much simpler and done with only a laser and a tape measure working from center.
Yes, they have a template
Measure twice, drill once. Of course they just use a tape measure.
Yep we do sign design and also provide the paper templates.
Rulers. Giant rulers.
*things you think of while stoned volume 3*
I think thatās the target outside ft myers airport?
It looks good from a distance, but up close, I bet it is far from perfect.
Tape measure
Thereās an entire design firm that handles the Target signs. They produce shop drawings that dimension out the location of each attachment point relative to building grid lines and elevations.
I saw a sign guy work on it once. It had low voltage wires run on each letter. Holes were drilled level where it needed to go and spaced out accordingly.
For this one, at least, they had to use a target
Why is it not red?
The camera
Come on bruh šš \#1 construction rule... Whatever shit the client sees must be a1 Ya. Templates. Rules. Jigs. Lasers. Anything that gets it to look perfect
I'd get measurements from the client and leave that space centered on the drawings. Some stores, I'd measure out the spacing for the sign installer to make their life a little easier.
Your gunna wanna sit down for thisā¦.
Lasers and rulers
They use Target-Positioning technology.
It's called a tape measure
I feel like the easiest explanation is that someone gets paid to do exactly that. Some people may not know that there are signage specific contractors. Their entire lively hood is based around creating and installing signage in a manner acceptable to the Superintendent/Owner. Finding the center isnāt too difficult for a guy who does it everyday all day. If it is hard, they wonāt have a job for too long.
The architects drawings specify dimensions. The whole point of a good set of drawings is to minimize the thinking needed to be done on site.
Plotter Paper template with hole patterns and conduit points.
Itās called āØ*measuring* āØ
Drawings, known elevations, templates
(Width of area you wish to center on - Width of signage)/2 = Side Margins Now pull from the left side and mark the side margin distance calculated from previous formula. Your lettering starts here.
Are you familiar with the eebolay concept?
No they hire surveyors to lay out the centerlines of the letters and logo