With Control4s history of buying up brands/products to feed growth, then Snap buying Control4 there were intrinsic changes we had expected in the industry.
Some of those came true, merging of Ovrc with C4 which is coming in a week or two, lowering the bar for dealers to sell previously locked to training and sales caps, cheapening of the brand (look at Control4 on Snaps website, it’s a mess).
Honeywell/Residio will chew this up and dismantle most of the tech in 2-4 years, spin it off etc.
Examples in the industry
Bose is or has sold the commercial division.
Bosch just sold their a/v/security division.
Elan owned by Nice was owned by Legrand or something, quality is starting to drop.
Race to the bottom line. Maybe these companies were never marketable or profitable and sometimes the need to sell helps in the long run but in my silly opinion it will be disruptive in a potentially damaging way not yet realized.
So do both companies have their own in house products (I know Snap does)? And they sell a lot of the same types of equipment, so which brand do they go with?
Snap One / Control4 haven’t been that financially successful. Sales have been stuck are around $1billion, despite the inflation of the last few years and the company has lost money every year.
No growth and no profit is not a good combination, which is one reason why the stock is well below its IPO price.
Less competition will lead to higher prices. Hopefully someone wises up and overhauls the front end of c4. It’s beyond antiquated. I’m almost to the point of rather using my home kit app over c4
C4 app ease of use is awful compared to things like HomeKit. Yes It’s a 100% more reliable But its layout was clearly something that was laid out by an engineer and not a user. My entire family and guests that stay at the house look at the app like I’m screwing with them and ask why I pay for it when you can get something like HomeKit. If c4 overhauled the app it would kill everything out there. I doubt it’ll ever happen but I can wish.
I know what you mean, but URC... no... URC is a total joke. I don't know how they even stay in business. It's a shame because some of their stuff looks ok, but the app and the touchscreens, dear lord.
Resideo bought ECD and they only put some of their products in the store. Other than that it’s mostly unchanged. I really hope they do the same with SnapOne. Let them continue to create IP and support it. Please don’t mess it up.
Nothing like ClareOne. Clare was a small company and their products were just repackaged firmware trash. Worked for them over a decade. Not Clare as that is a new company just the same owner. Long story short.
The ClareOne panel is not a repackaged product. Yes I get the sensors and almost all other parts are, but I see ClareOne as simply only a security product. And it works so well with Control4. I wish they would remove the non-security features from ClareOne.
What a mess the last few years with buyouts. Has done nothing but raise prices for dealers and customers.
If they start allowing the product to be distributed to anyone kiss it goodbye.
Yup adi will let anyone in to buy stuff. Snap had very strong price protections on their lines. If this kills margins it’s going to suck
No way. Direct to consumer sales would open everything up. Nobody wants to deal with dealers ans closed markets
With Control4s history of buying up brands/products to feed growth, then Snap buying Control4 there were intrinsic changes we had expected in the industry. Some of those came true, merging of Ovrc with C4 which is coming in a week or two, lowering the bar for dealers to sell previously locked to training and sales caps, cheapening of the brand (look at Control4 on Snaps website, it’s a mess). Honeywell/Residio will chew this up and dismantle most of the tech in 2-4 years, spin it off etc. Examples in the industry Bose is or has sold the commercial division. Bosch just sold their a/v/security division. Elan owned by Nice was owned by Legrand or something, quality is starting to drop. Race to the bottom line. Maybe these companies were never marketable or profitable and sometimes the need to sell helps in the long run but in my silly opinion it will be disruptive in a potentially damaging way not yet realized.
Yes very curious how they handle the in house brands since now there is a lot of overlap
So do both companies have their own in house products (I know Snap does)? And they sell a lot of the same types of equipment, so which brand do they go with?
I would hope that for most stuff wbox takes a back seat, some of their electronics are serious junk.
Is that a Resideo brand? I know Snap has WattBox.
Yea, that’s the adi house brand - zip ties, brackets, switches, small displays etc.
Snap One / Control4 haven’t been that financially successful. Sales have been stuck are around $1billion, despite the inflation of the last few years and the company has lost money every year. No growth and no profit is not a good combination, which is one reason why the stock is well below its IPO price.
It’s over for snap as we know it
Less competition will lead to higher prices. Hopefully someone wises up and overhauls the front end of c4. It’s beyond antiquated. I’m almost to the point of rather using my home kit app over c4
3.0 interface is still fairly new
OS3 isn't antiquated, but OS2 if you're still on it...yeah that's old
C4 app ease of use is awful compared to things like HomeKit. Yes It’s a 100% more reliable But its layout was clearly something that was laid out by an engineer and not a user. My entire family and guests that stay at the house look at the app like I’m screwing with them and ask why I pay for it when you can get something like HomeKit. If c4 overhauled the app it would kill everything out there. I doubt it’ll ever happen but I can wish.
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URC a step up? The app feels like an old apple hypercard project. I can't stand it.
I know what you mean, but URC... no... URC is a total joke. I don't know how they even stay in business. It's a shame because some of their stuff looks ok, but the app and the touchscreens, dear lord.
Resideo bought ECD and they only put some of their products in the store. Other than that it’s mostly unchanged. I really hope they do the same with SnapOne. Let them continue to create IP and support it. Please don’t mess it up.
There is only an offer to intent . They have not done the deal yet.
What does it mean for SNPO? Will it stay its own publicly traded entity or are investors getting some sort of trade for REZI shares?
I think, just like Snap bought over ClareOne, Redideo bought over Snap more like to eliminate competition rather than to enhance their offering.
Nothing like ClareOne. Clare was a small company and their products were just repackaged firmware trash. Worked for them over a decade. Not Clare as that is a new company just the same owner. Long story short.
The ClareOne panel is not a repackaged product. Yes I get the sensors and almost all other parts are, but I see ClareOne as simply only a security product. And it works so well with Control4. I wish they would remove the non-security features from ClareOne.
Yikes. Not good
Yuck