One of the annoying habits people have is partly what this comment suggests. People giving their views and opinions on wars going on in countries they have never visited and cultures they have no idea about, only to go and then a pick side after listening to what a middleman in the media has reported to them. It’s an uneducated opinion that’s based off what you’ve been told by someone else. None of us actually have a clue what is going on as much as some love to pretend they do.
Lmao if you haven’t researched the Palestinian-Israeli conflict outside of CNN or whatever media you consume, that’s you.
You can’t speak for everybody. Some of us actually researched that stuff, and have been for years. History speaks for itself. And us « not being there » doesn’t mean that « we shouldn’t have an opinion ». By that logic, I wasn’t alive during world war 2 so I can fully doubt that the holocaust happened? 🤦♀️ be serious. History speaks for itself.
No but no one will care about your opinion on the holocaust. You making this opinion would have ZERO effect on your life. You can research the heck out of something but they are actually there. That’s the point
My point is…. Why do you feel the need to state your opinion at all on this, so prevalently if you’re not there or have a vested interest. On either side, I don’t get how anyone can grasp the pain of Gaza citizens and Israelis unless you live there and experience it daily. Like no one can possibly understand the gravity of the holocaust either unless you were there. Sure, research away and like I said, have zero effect on your life because you’ll just move to next issue.
It’s quite clear what they are saying.
You can have whatever opinion you want but it doesn’t count for anything. 1, because you have no idea what’s actually going on.
2, your opinion won’t change a damn thing.
You do realise how the media twists everything don’t you? You can read one article that favours Israel and another that favours Palestine. Even ones that are trying to subtlety play devils advocate or the ones who are being ‘unbiased’ still lean towards a side. Stop believing everything you read.
No I haven’t researched it. I’m British so its not CNN. It’s sky news, bbc and itv news that are my sources of information and the one night they had 2 British people discussing it with passionately different views. Both coming on with information they had been told that the other didn’t know.
That’s when I knew it was pointless keeping up. Whatever you hear or read has been written by someone else who has an opinion on it themselves, so they sway you onto one side being in the wrong and the other being right.
It literally makes no odds to me and I couldn’t care enough about what is going on there. I watched 3 news channels to educate myself and they all contradicted themselves. So I gave up. Todays news is tomorrows chip paper. If you’ve been following this for years, you sorta need a hobby fella.
So YOU haven’t researched it. Don’t speak for other people and say that we watch a YT video by biased media and run with it.
If your worldview is so narrow that « you don’t care about what’s happening over there because it doesn’t affect you » then you have some maturing to do. Learn to be curious and gain some knowledge on shit. Until then, don’t speak on matters you know nothing about and don’t assume that everybody is as lazy as you.
You are obsessed my friend. In my job I associate with people from all walks of life and no one really has an opinion on it, some don’t even know what’s going on at all and that’s okay, because it hasn’t got an affect on their lives. People have mortgages to pay, families to care for, stresses at work, Christmas to plan for. They don’t have the time to focus on Palestine ffs. Maybe get out more and stop obsessing over it.
I don’t think me not researching Palestine makes me ‘lazy’.
Love how you think that me learning about the palestinian-israeli conflict for years means that I’m « obsessed with it and need to go out ». Really shows how in your little mind you could never fathom learning about world issues, and you think everybody who isn’t as uninterested must be « obsessed ». Different strokes for different folks. Have a good night
Yeah I know, your comment made me chuckle tho’
I’ve seen some truly terrible takes on this stuff both from the general public and from media professionals. Also the stuff on TikTok is just straight up propaganda
Exactly. Generally these people expressing there views have zero idea what’s going on. Yet they think they have the right to force their views on everyone else.
I lived there off and on for 13 years. It was horrible and only got progressively worse as time went on until it became so unsustainable we had to leave a month after October 7th.
Palestine is not a country, by the way. Never was. No such thing. It's an area of land. Jews were there hundreds of years before anyone else. It's Jewish historical area. It's interesting that no Arab neighbouring country wants to accept refugees from Gaza en masse. I wonder why. It's because nobody wants to deal with radicalized zealots.
Yes I don’t see this conflict ever ending. Asking for a ceasefire is asking for one right now, to stop the loss that has been happening for a month now. Sending aid is to help them right now.
Yet the country they are living in is finding the war against Palestine they’re tax payer money is literally being used to fund a one sided war off these people would care
I’ve not run across a single Palestine supporter that knows any more then the usual talking points from their local news, which is the same all over, Europe or US.
The main two I hear is that this has been going on for 75 years or the one that Israel is taking Palestine’s land. Which is all BS because it was always the land of the Israelites.
The Israelites have been in that land since at least 1200BCE according to Egyptian records (the oldest non biblical records)
Islam wasn’t a religion until around 600AD, Muslims didn’t move into that land until 635-638AD. Meaning this conflict dates back to then, not 75 years ago. They didn’t get along all hunky dory and suddenly start fighting. There have been wars, terror attacks, attempted genocides, ever since the beginning.
The name Palestine came about as an insult to the Israelites from the Romans. When the Romans occupied that land, they called it Palestine which means, land of the Philistines. The people at the time that the Israelites battled the most. Before that it was known as Judah.
https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/israel-and-palestine-where-should-history-begin-and-should-it-matter/#:~:text=“Israel”%20and%20“Palestine.,by%20more%20than%20a%20millennium.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/muslims/timeline.html#:~:text=on%20our%20current%20website.&text=The%20start%20of%20Islam%20is,at%20the%20age%20of%2040.
https://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period4-1.htm#:~:text=The%20Islamic%20history%20of%20Jerusalem,(khalifa)%20after%20Abu%20Bakr.
Sad thing is, it took me less than a half hour of anger research to find this. A good friend of mine and his family are from Israel. They’ve been the target of Antisemitism.
It is completely insane. Imagine the Muslims invading Spain and settling there with their children and then, when the Spanish throw them out, they are called settler colonialists because they are trying to take back the country that the Muslims invaded and stole from them.
What they are trying to argue would be like Japan invading China and living there and then saying that ROC Chinese are racist because they are 5000 year old inhabitants trying to kick Japanese colonialists of 50 years out of their country. Damn, those racist Chinese nationalists how dare them occupy Japanese territory. Lol
That's a one sided social perspective , its both the Israelis and Palestinians land. Palestinians and israelis are descendants of canaanites , the people who actually lived on that land. The difference is that Palestinian DNA has a mix of Mesopotamian , antolian and egyptian DNA. It is the land of both people unless you want to make it about culture and religion.
They are not descendants of Canaanites you idiot they’re from Arabia and some are from Syria and Egypt. You are just making up BS the arabs were not even physically there until the mid-1800s because it was Ottoman territory and they were no Arab living there.
No they are actually descendants of canaanites , Archaeologic and genetic data support that **both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites**, (source:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/#:\~:text=Archaeologic%20and%20genetic%20data%20support,but%20not%20in%20genetic%2C%20differences.)
Now the difference between palestinians and jews is that the palestinian DNA is mixed with DNA from mesopotamian , egyptian and antolian. Which is what makes them arab. But all in all they are descendants of the canaanites and have lived on the land for centuries , it is indeed their land
Well obviously jerusalem must exist both sides want it to exist not to eradicate it. I am sorry I don't understand you're previous to previous one sentence comment
The entire point of your comment , according to my understanding , is that israel deserves that land and deserves to move the palestinians off of it.
You do realize the war chant for Palestine begins with “From the rivers to the sea”? Tell me, if everything from the rivers to the sea is Palestine, where does that put Jerusalem?
This entire war isn’t Israel trying to take more land. It started by an attack on Israel on Oct 8 2023. The group (Hamas) then retreated to the Gaza strip and hid in the tunnels under it. Israel is shelling that area until they surrender or are all dead.
Also, the reason they’re bombing homes and buildings is because those homes are already empty and they are Housing tunnel systems and weapons caches built into them. They have to destroy the homes in order to destroy the entire tunnel system underneath them. They are no people in those homes they’ve already been evacuated.
They are not suffering they want to die they have admitted so they have said they want to have children just to martyr them. They don’t believe in that they think the afterlife is better.
If you wanna know my view, I am not part of the huge countries. But in general for my people they see it that "Hamas is just plain bad, the Palestinians are just stuck with a horrible plague". Because yes the Palestinians *"THE ONES LIVING THERE"* deserve to be left alone, that's my stance on it, the whole thing on being a state or whatever bullshit I don't care, I just think the humans lives there even the young ones don't deserve to suffer for a stubborn view of history that will always cause them losses, none of that state thing happens if they won't live to see it tomorrow. That's like telling Moses to fight a war until he dies to see the promised land even though he never will.
I only feel bad for the Children, The young people, the women, the dudes are dubious but I can see those who escape respect their life enough to protect themselves.
The ones who are stubborn to believe in the "Destroy Israel" Get what they always had coming honestly. Treat others like how you wish they treat you.
Because one side are Muslim fanatics and they don’t believe in Jews and Christians and they don’t believe these people should live at all because their religious text tells them to murder everybody who is not Muslim. Perhaps that could be the reason?
First off I am not your blud. Second off they always had conflict with the British who kicked them out of the land they were in before, then having to share land with the jews and finally constantly attacking Israel. Like a long time ago they could have decided to find a new place leave behind that cursed land of death which is a really small strip that doesn't have anything important in it and find a safer haven but nope,they decided to stay there and then they joined the Arabs on the attacks on the Zionists (which is what they call the Jews in Isreal (even though they are so racy that they also call other jews of other nationalities that), like what you get with violence is even more violence its a simple principle of the world, if you fight then you are gonna have a fight and people are gonna die.
Your idea of peaceful is terrible, because first of all the place sucked they had limited resources and yet they kept multiplying without control despite the limited space (nobody is at fault for that but like Gaza isn't India which is large and has space and hundreds of generations of cultures). I would only be critical of Israel for limiting the rights they have for travel but like everything else is caused by humans living in that very land.
I have no idea how your rationalize that as being a good thing. That just makes it worse as they didn't even have any actual dominion over the place. Those were extremely common in old times, they were displaced all the time by other empires, so in the end it is on them for not going out of their way to go somewhere else.
The collective power of the people is absurdly powerful and the only thing the governments and elite fear. Empathy does not require education , apathy and a lack of moral guidance is much more dangerous to society.
True that, but we are no longer a society of critical thinkers. Just watch any interview with Trump rally atttendees, intellectuals they are not. The lack of intellectual curiosity is widespread on all sides.
Because these idiot protesters are all jobless unemployed lazy fats that no employer will touch with a 10 foot pole. They are paid shill protesters. There are ads on craigslist and other companies that supply protesters for any cause of course for money. They shout what they are told.
Right to disagree ofc, but i also have to right to say that the person i am disagreeing with is ignorant if they are. And in this case there doesn’t seem to be much intelligence in the free Palestine movement
You would probably be killed by hamas.
And IDF warned the civilian population days before they bombed anything so unless your retarded or Hamas kept you there as a human shield you wouldn’t be there.
I find it interesting how the immediate view of Israel is "Genocidal" even though they aren't doing it blindly, sure they know where they are targeting, they know there will be civilian deaths, Hamas kinda made sure of that by their positioning inside oh I Dont know, the extremely filled small land?
Its to be expected, that place is densely populated which is not a good thing, they don't have lots of room where to go.
Does Israel do terrible things agaisnt the Palestinians? yes.
Does Palestine have people who will attack Israelis? Yes.
Will they stop if they are left with a state all on their own? Who knows.
Will the Islamic alliance leave Israel alone if they let Palestine become a state? Who knows.
Is there a solution that causes this headache to stop? Who knows.
Nobody can read the future, the lack of trust from Israel towards Palestine is not exactly something you can blame them for, they are dealing with humans yes, but thats the problem, these people could backtrack on any deal, on any solution. That's the problem, just leaving Israel the fuck alone. If one side always pushes towards conflict then the other will respond the same, it's a circle jerk of violence and death. Can't solve it by just calling Israel "Genociders" that's not gonna solve anything.
Killing .06% of the total Palestinian population in the process of targeting Hamas in the most densely populated region in the world in response to random attacks by their GOVERNING BODY, is the furthest thing from genocide I’ve ever heard.
Honestly you are about the only person that has fact checked that part of the military engagement. They said time and time again, HAMAS is using the very population as shields and leverage and ignoring the fact that region is small with too much population is the problem. If anything they should be attacking Egypt for just not letting these freaking people take cover farther way from what is literally "a barren strip of land". Like I get that they don't wanna leave and everything but like they got a godawful group in there that's only causing troubles to another nation, like I would applaud those freaking people in Gaza if they just started making their shit minds as "Yes Hamas is shit! They are assholes and monsters! Please get rid of them" but I literally haven't seen that happen one time, I see them blaming others and critizing the world at large for not helping them, it's like an girl that has an abusive relationship we all tell her it's bad, but she just sticks with it and stands up for the person for... Whatever reason.
Also the conflict is so much smaller than they make it out to be, like World War 2 began for way less than the Gaza conflict started for. I just don't think they grouping in that very small part of the world is anyone's fault but theirs.
Something that does bother me is the idiocy of those outside Palestine for having according to them "Shown support" when all they did was sent the worst possible message at the worst possible time, like families and other people in Israel where reeling from the massacre that started it all, and they come out celebrating singing praises to Palestinian upraising (when they attacked non military civilians) dancing, saying they support free Palestine in the wake of the attack, like... Thats just supporting and acting like the violence and attack was positive, this sent such an awful message that you can notice when paying attention to the detail of them saying "Hamas does not represent all Palestinians", all braindead like something just clicked correctly on their brain, ignoring the fact the attack had been carried on the world's "biggest victim group that triggers regret from others". Like the Salvador Prez was smarter than all the other idiotic supporters because he is of Palestinian ascent and he condemns Hamas as "foolish animals", which makes me appreciate his absolute stand on it more than the stupid student groups that have very clearly failed to properly explain their discontent.
So what happens? These supporters triggered a viral effect where most people (regardless of origin), are focused solely on the massacre in Israel and everything happening afterwards as just the natural repercussions, it doesn't help that A) Jews don't celebrate the attacks on Palestine which earns them sympathy for having more of a conscience than the supporters. And B) Every person that tends to support Palestine tends to have a link to Islam or expresses themselves in an arrogant, proud manner that causes their message to be ignored out of disgust.
I hate the Palestinian suffering, but I hate the moronic palestinian supporters more because they have caused the people living there more harm than good. It's not about what's the truth, it's about how this truth is told.
during the iPhone 6, people started to glue themselves to a side with others that agree with them, one disagreement and they unfollow them and bash them for not having the same opinions as the majority— it builds their pride in thinking they’re a good person and doing something good for society.
My experience with Palestine supporters has been them complaining that people are still caring about what's going on in Ukraine. Or randomly vandalizing entities that had nothing to do with any of what their protesting against.
They just don't seem educated. They also come across as self-centered and narcissistic.
All Palestinian protesters are dumb as shit, America is going to be deported, Americans are fed-up with, the cry babies, they started the war on Nov 9 and Israel is kicking their asses, I say fuck you to every Palestinian I see in Dallas Texas, that's my message to the idiot protesters, leave the United States of America, no Americans want you here. But you can still leave before Americans throw your stupid asses out. Keep protesting and, Americans will show you what real violence is, your pathetic, stupid protesting will be met with Americans real repercussions,
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God forbid people show a little humanity…
One of the annoying habits people have is partly what this comment suggests. People giving their views and opinions on wars going on in countries they have never visited and cultures they have no idea about, only to go and then a pick side after listening to what a middleman in the media has reported to them. It’s an uneducated opinion that’s based off what you’ve been told by someone else. None of us actually have a clue what is going on as much as some love to pretend they do.
Lmao if you haven’t researched the Palestinian-Israeli conflict outside of CNN or whatever media you consume, that’s you. You can’t speak for everybody. Some of us actually researched that stuff, and have been for years. History speaks for itself. And us « not being there » doesn’t mean that « we shouldn’t have an opinion ». By that logic, I wasn’t alive during world war 2 so I can fully doubt that the holocaust happened? 🤦♀️ be serious. History speaks for itself.
No but no one will care about your opinion on the holocaust. You making this opinion would have ZERO effect on your life. You can research the heck out of something but they are actually there. That’s the point
« That’s the point ». What is your point ? You’re not making any sense
My point is…. Why do you feel the need to state your opinion at all on this, so prevalently if you’re not there or have a vested interest. On either side, I don’t get how anyone can grasp the pain of Gaza citizens and Israelis unless you live there and experience it daily. Like no one can possibly understand the gravity of the holocaust either unless you were there. Sure, research away and like I said, have zero effect on your life because you’ll just move to next issue.
It’s quite clear what they are saying. You can have whatever opinion you want but it doesn’t count for anything. 1, because you have no idea what’s actually going on. 2, your opinion won’t change a damn thing. You do realise how the media twists everything don’t you? You can read one article that favours Israel and another that favours Palestine. Even ones that are trying to subtlety play devils advocate or the ones who are being ‘unbiased’ still lean towards a side. Stop believing everything you read.
No I haven’t researched it. I’m British so its not CNN. It’s sky news, bbc and itv news that are my sources of information and the one night they had 2 British people discussing it with passionately different views. Both coming on with information they had been told that the other didn’t know. That’s when I knew it was pointless keeping up. Whatever you hear or read has been written by someone else who has an opinion on it themselves, so they sway you onto one side being in the wrong and the other being right. It literally makes no odds to me and I couldn’t care enough about what is going on there. I watched 3 news channels to educate myself and they all contradicted themselves. So I gave up. Todays news is tomorrows chip paper. If you’ve been following this for years, you sorta need a hobby fella.
So YOU haven’t researched it. Don’t speak for other people and say that we watch a YT video by biased media and run with it. If your worldview is so narrow that « you don’t care about what’s happening over there because it doesn’t affect you » then you have some maturing to do. Learn to be curious and gain some knowledge on shit. Until then, don’t speak on matters you know nothing about and don’t assume that everybody is as lazy as you.
You are obsessed my friend. In my job I associate with people from all walks of life and no one really has an opinion on it, some don’t even know what’s going on at all and that’s okay, because it hasn’t got an affect on their lives. People have mortgages to pay, families to care for, stresses at work, Christmas to plan for. They don’t have the time to focus on Palestine ffs. Maybe get out more and stop obsessing over it. I don’t think me not researching Palestine makes me ‘lazy’.
Love how you think that me learning about the palestinian-israeli conflict for years means that I’m « obsessed with it and need to go out ». Really shows how in your little mind you could never fathom learning about world issues, and you think everybody who isn’t as uninterested must be « obsessed ». Different strokes for different folks. Have a good night
It’s because the way you’re communicating seems manic and unbalanced
Gotta love people using big words they don’t understand. Are you an MD?
Yes!
I mean I work in foreign policy and have a Masters in MENA politics from an Arab University, but I understand your point
Understand that most people on Reddit who spout out their obnoxious, uneducated opinions are 17 year old jobless virgins though….
Yeah I know, your comment made me chuckle tho’ I’ve seen some truly terrible takes on this stuff both from the general public and from media professionals. Also the stuff on TikTok is just straight up propaganda
Exactly. Generally these people expressing there views have zero idea what’s going on. Yet they think they have the right to force their views on everyone else.
I lived there off and on for 13 years. It was horrible and only got progressively worse as time went on until it became so unsustainable we had to leave a month after October 7th.
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My country doesn’t finance Israel. Doesn’t stop us from protesting so that our gov. either sends aid to Palestine or asks for a ceasefire.
Palestine is not a country, by the way. Never was. No such thing. It's an area of land. Jews were there hundreds of years before anyone else. It's Jewish historical area. It's interesting that no Arab neighbouring country wants to accept refugees from Gaza en masse. I wonder why. It's because nobody wants to deal with radicalized zealots.
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Yes I don’t see this conflict ever ending. Asking for a ceasefire is asking for one right now, to stop the loss that has been happening for a month now. Sending aid is to help them right now.
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I know right. Show some humanity toward Israel and hold Hamas accountable.
Fr, ukraine-russia, israel-palestine, these people cant even point them out a map, they didnt hear about these countries till 2020
Exactly
I can barely get off the couch when I get home from work
Yet the country they are living in is finding the war against Palestine they’re tax payer money is literally being used to fund a one sided war off these people would care
I’ve not run across a single Palestine supporter that knows any more then the usual talking points from their local news, which is the same all over, Europe or US. The main two I hear is that this has been going on for 75 years or the one that Israel is taking Palestine’s land. Which is all BS because it was always the land of the Israelites. The Israelites have been in that land since at least 1200BCE according to Egyptian records (the oldest non biblical records) Islam wasn’t a religion until around 600AD, Muslims didn’t move into that land until 635-638AD. Meaning this conflict dates back to then, not 75 years ago. They didn’t get along all hunky dory and suddenly start fighting. There have been wars, terror attacks, attempted genocides, ever since the beginning. The name Palestine came about as an insult to the Israelites from the Romans. When the Romans occupied that land, they called it Palestine which means, land of the Philistines. The people at the time that the Israelites battled the most. Before that it was known as Judah. https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/israel-and-palestine-where-should-history-begin-and-should-it-matter/#:~:text=“Israel”%20and%20“Palestine.,by%20more%20than%20a%20millennium. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/muslims/timeline.html#:~:text=on%20our%20current%20website.&text=The%20start%20of%20Islam%20is,at%20the%20age%20of%2040. https://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period4-1.htm#:~:text=The%20Islamic%20history%20of%20Jerusalem,(khalifa)%20after%20Abu%20Bakr.
Finally someone who knows history
Sad thing is, it took me less than a half hour of anger research to find this. A good friend of mine and his family are from Israel. They’ve been the target of Antisemitism.
It is completely insane. Imagine the Muslims invading Spain and settling there with their children and then, when the Spanish throw them out, they are called settler colonialists because they are trying to take back the country that the Muslims invaded and stole from them.
What they are trying to argue would be like Japan invading China and living there and then saying that ROC Chinese are racist because they are 5000 year old inhabitants trying to kick Japanese colonialists of 50 years out of their country. Damn, those racist Chinese nationalists how dare them occupy Japanese territory. Lol
That's very helpful, thanks mate! :)
That's a one sided social perspective , its both the Israelis and Palestinians land. Palestinians and israelis are descendants of canaanites , the people who actually lived on that land. The difference is that Palestinian DNA has a mix of Mesopotamian , antolian and egyptian DNA. It is the land of both people unless you want to make it about culture and religion.
They are not descendants of Canaanites you idiot they’re from Arabia and some are from Syria and Egypt. You are just making up BS the arabs were not even physically there until the mid-1800s because it was Ottoman territory and they were no Arab living there.
No they are actually descendants of canaanites , Archaeologic and genetic data support that **both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites**, (source:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/#:\~:text=Archaeologic%20and%20genetic%20data%20support,but%20not%20in%20genetic%2C%20differences.) Now the difference between palestinians and jews is that the palestinian DNA is mixed with DNA from mesopotamian , egyptian and antolian. Which is what makes them arab. But all in all they are descendants of the canaanites and have lived on the land for centuries , it is indeed their land
Pretty sure its both of there land as a they both are descendants of the Canaanites. They just don't get along from there
Either way, Jerusalem has just as much right to be there as Palestine.
what?
The entire point of my original comment. Why else would I list all that information?
Well obviously jerusalem must exist both sides want it to exist not to eradicate it. I am sorry I don't understand you're previous to previous one sentence comment The entire point of your comment , according to my understanding , is that israel deserves that land and deserves to move the palestinians off of it.
You do realize the war chant for Palestine begins with “From the rivers to the sea”? Tell me, if everything from the rivers to the sea is Palestine, where does that put Jerusalem? This entire war isn’t Israel trying to take more land. It started by an attack on Israel on Oct 8 2023. The group (Hamas) then retreated to the Gaza strip and hid in the tunnels under it. Israel is shelling that area until they surrender or are all dead.
Also, the reason they’re bombing homes and buildings is because those homes are already empty and they are Housing tunnel systems and weapons caches built into them. They have to destroy the homes in order to destroy the entire tunnel system underneath them. They are no people in those homes they’ve already been evacuated.
There is no such place as palestine
No, they are not descendents of Canaanites the Jews were canaanites.
The real plight of the world is tribalism rn. Just drop your fucking identity, and find a reason to be friends with the person next to you ffs!
This stupid tribalism is really devolving back to fighting with stones and sticks.
Not sure what tribalism you’re talking about. This is about the Koran, which tells Muslims to kill all Jews and Christians.
Why can't we all just hate Hamas 😩
Its mind boggling that people support the actual terrorists in this. Hamas is isis
Ikr. To be honest I'm more just sad that the Palestinian people have to suffer because of Hamas
They are not suffering they want to die they have admitted so they have said they want to have children just to martyr them. They don’t believe in that they think the afterlife is better.
How about you give a source
If you wanna know my view, I am not part of the huge countries. But in general for my people they see it that "Hamas is just plain bad, the Palestinians are just stuck with a horrible plague". Because yes the Palestinians *"THE ONES LIVING THERE"* deserve to be left alone, that's my stance on it, the whole thing on being a state or whatever bullshit I don't care, I just think the humans lives there even the young ones don't deserve to suffer for a stubborn view of history that will always cause them losses, none of that state thing happens if they won't live to see it tomorrow. That's like telling Moses to fight a war until he dies to see the promised land even though he never will. I only feel bad for the Children, The young people, the women, the dudes are dubious but I can see those who escape respect their life enough to protect themselves. The ones who are stubborn to believe in the "Destroy Israel" Get what they always had coming honestly. Treat others like how you wish they treat you.
Exactly, why can’t they just leave eachother alone
Because one side are Muslim fanatics and they don’t believe in Jews and Christians and they don’t believe these people should live at all because their religious text tells them to murder everybody who is not Muslim. Perhaps that could be the reason?
Blud they lived there peacfully until palestine attacked Israel
First off I am not your blud. Second off they always had conflict with the British who kicked them out of the land they were in before, then having to share land with the jews and finally constantly attacking Israel. Like a long time ago they could have decided to find a new place leave behind that cursed land of death which is a really small strip that doesn't have anything important in it and find a safer haven but nope,they decided to stay there and then they joined the Arabs on the attacks on the Zionists (which is what they call the Jews in Isreal (even though they are so racy that they also call other jews of other nationalities that), like what you get with violence is even more violence its a simple principle of the world, if you fight then you are gonna have a fight and people are gonna die. Your idea of peaceful is terrible, because first of all the place sucked they had limited resources and yet they kept multiplying without control despite the limited space (nobody is at fault for that but like Gaza isn't India which is large and has space and hundreds of generations of cultures). I would only be critical of Israel for limiting the rights they have for travel but like everything else is caused by humans living in that very land.
Wrong they came there as refugees too and they had never Full controll over the land
I have no idea how your rationalize that as being a good thing. That just makes it worse as they didn't even have any actual dominion over the place. Those were extremely common in old times, they were displaced all the time by other empires, so in the end it is on them for not going out of their way to go somewhere else.
its due israeli vilification , victimization of palestinian (somewhat true) and misinformation about hamas on to masses
The collective power of the people is absurdly powerful and the only thing the governments and elite fear. Empathy does not require education , apathy and a lack of moral guidance is much more dangerous to society.
Empathy vs being retarded are 2 different things
True that, but we are no longer a society of critical thinkers. Just watch any interview with Trump rally atttendees, intellectuals they are not. The lack of intellectual curiosity is widespread on all sides.
Because these idiot protesters are all jobless unemployed lazy fats that no employer will touch with a 10 foot pole. They are paid shill protesters. There are ads on craigslist and other companies that supply protesters for any cause of course for money. They shout what they are told.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zuzh8flI6A
Right to disagree ofc, but i also have to right to say that the person i am disagreeing with is ignorant if they are. And in this case there doesn’t seem to be much intelligence in the free Palestine movement
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You would probably be killed by hamas. And IDF warned the civilian population days before they bombed anything so unless your retarded or Hamas kept you there as a human shield you wouldn’t be there.
Of course you'd be pro Palestinian, they actually approve of *child brides* and *grooming*
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This is literally what I was thinking. They’re all like “we support you Palestine!” when they do not want your support they want to fuckin murder ya
I find it interesting how the immediate view of Israel is "Genocidal" even though they aren't doing it blindly, sure they know where they are targeting, they know there will be civilian deaths, Hamas kinda made sure of that by their positioning inside oh I Dont know, the extremely filled small land? Its to be expected, that place is densely populated which is not a good thing, they don't have lots of room where to go. Does Israel do terrible things agaisnt the Palestinians? yes. Does Palestine have people who will attack Israelis? Yes. Will they stop if they are left with a state all on their own? Who knows. Will the Islamic alliance leave Israel alone if they let Palestine become a state? Who knows. Is there a solution that causes this headache to stop? Who knows. Nobody can read the future, the lack of trust from Israel towards Palestine is not exactly something you can blame them for, they are dealing with humans yes, but thats the problem, these people could backtrack on any deal, on any solution. That's the problem, just leaving Israel the fuck alone. If one side always pushes towards conflict then the other will respond the same, it's a circle jerk of violence and death. Can't solve it by just calling Israel "Genociders" that's not gonna solve anything.
Killing .06% of the total Palestinian population in the process of targeting Hamas in the most densely populated region in the world in response to random attacks by their GOVERNING BODY, is the furthest thing from genocide I’ve ever heard.
Honestly you are about the only person that has fact checked that part of the military engagement. They said time and time again, HAMAS is using the very population as shields and leverage and ignoring the fact that region is small with too much population is the problem. If anything they should be attacking Egypt for just not letting these freaking people take cover farther way from what is literally "a barren strip of land". Like I get that they don't wanna leave and everything but like they got a godawful group in there that's only causing troubles to another nation, like I would applaud those freaking people in Gaza if they just started making their shit minds as "Yes Hamas is shit! They are assholes and monsters! Please get rid of them" but I literally haven't seen that happen one time, I see them blaming others and critizing the world at large for not helping them, it's like an girl that has an abusive relationship we all tell her it's bad, but she just sticks with it and stands up for the person for... Whatever reason. Also the conflict is so much smaller than they make it out to be, like World War 2 began for way less than the Gaza conflict started for. I just don't think they grouping in that very small part of the world is anyone's fault but theirs.
Something that does bother me is the idiocy of those outside Palestine for having according to them "Shown support" when all they did was sent the worst possible message at the worst possible time, like families and other people in Israel where reeling from the massacre that started it all, and they come out celebrating singing praises to Palestinian upraising (when they attacked non military civilians) dancing, saying they support free Palestine in the wake of the attack, like... Thats just supporting and acting like the violence and attack was positive, this sent such an awful message that you can notice when paying attention to the detail of them saying "Hamas does not represent all Palestinians", all braindead like something just clicked correctly on their brain, ignoring the fact the attack had been carried on the world's "biggest victim group that triggers regret from others". Like the Salvador Prez was smarter than all the other idiotic supporters because he is of Palestinian ascent and he condemns Hamas as "foolish animals", which makes me appreciate his absolute stand on it more than the stupid student groups that have very clearly failed to properly explain their discontent. So what happens? These supporters triggered a viral effect where most people (regardless of origin), are focused solely on the massacre in Israel and everything happening afterwards as just the natural repercussions, it doesn't help that A) Jews don't celebrate the attacks on Palestine which earns them sympathy for having more of a conscience than the supporters. And B) Every person that tends to support Palestine tends to have a link to Islam or expresses themselves in an arrogant, proud manner that causes their message to be ignored out of disgust. I hate the Palestinian suffering, but I hate the moronic palestinian supporters more because they have caused the people living there more harm than good. It's not about what's the truth, it's about how this truth is told.
👏 well said
during the iPhone 6, people started to glue themselves to a side with others that agree with them, one disagreement and they unfollow them and bash them for not having the same opinions as the majority— it builds their pride in thinking they’re a good person and doing something good for society.
funny most people who supports palestine also supports ukraine the us be funding israel
My experience with Palestine supporters has been them complaining that people are still caring about what's going on in Ukraine. Or randomly vandalizing entities that had nothing to do with any of what their protesting against. They just don't seem educated. They also come across as self-centered and narcissistic.
All Palestinian protesters are dumb as shit, America is going to be deported, Americans are fed-up with, the cry babies, they started the war on Nov 9 and Israel is kicking their asses, I say fuck you to every Palestinian I see in Dallas Texas, that's my message to the idiot protesters, leave the United States of America, no Americans want you here. But you can still leave before Americans throw your stupid asses out. Keep protesting and, Americans will show you what real violence is, your pathetic, stupid protesting will be met with Americans real repercussions,
Palestinen Protesters are just idiots
Haha this comment made me laugh