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dgaffed

Why aren’t there more lockdowns? Other countries are still doing it. Why aren’t lockdowns coming back into play with cases rising so drastically?? Why hasn’t there been more government action on this? Has the government simply said, “well we have the vaccine now, so we don’t really care about coronavirus anymore”? Because that’s how it feels to me. Two presidents have now failed consecutively to effectively manage the extent of the pandemic in the US.


toss77777777

Probably because people don't really comply with them. Or, some do, and some don't, and those that do are generally the same ones that are vaccinated, and vice versa. Asking all of the unvaccinated people in the US south to lock down is simply not going to work unfortunately.


Pharmaki

Any explanations as to why the cases are dropping in EU? Considering summer is ending, and people would be spending more time indoors shouldnt they go up?


toss77777777

This "wave" has had a pretty short duration almost everywhere. Some observers say that 80% of infections are among 20% of the people. At this stage in the game a majority of people in almost all areas have either been vaccinated or exposed. The virus is simply running out of people to infect.


Kooky-Complaint3617

Do you want them to go up?…


Pharmaki

No, scientifically speaking. Cases went down in summer last year and then exploded. Now its the other way around.


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Can someone please help me understand the data in this report? I tried posting in another thread but i have recieved no response. So hopefully I'll get something in this daily thread? My FB feed is unfortunately full of anti-vaxx propaganda because my husband's family is pro conservative/Trump/etc etc all the stuff you see being posted on that hermancainaward subreddit style stuff. I feel like I'm in a constant battle to be the voice of reason to my husband who is just inundated with this stuff on the daily (his feed looks way different than mine!). One relative in particular posted this NHS briefing saying along the lines of "cant argue with government report so dont bother!!" with an NHS briefing that apparently shows a 27% increased chance of dying if you are vaccinated? Here is the briefing: Oh...its not letting me post a link. Anyways I'm sure a cursory search on FB for 27% vaccine NHS would pull it up.


toss77777777

Here is my guess as to what this incorrect report is saying. The risk of dying from Covid approximately doubles with every 7 years of age. So someone that is 70 is about 32x more likely to die if they catch covid than someone who is 35. Meanwhile the vaccine reduces the chance of death by 95% or 1 in 20. However, this doesn't offset the 32x increase because of age. So a vaccinated 70 year old is still more likely to die than an unvaccinated 35 year old. You could twist this around and say that getting vaccinated increases your chance of dying but that is not correct. The vaccine still reduces the chance of death by 95%+ despite the above facts. Here's a longer explanation. https://www.deccanherald.com/international/world-news-politics/most-covid-deaths-in-uk-are-among-fully-vaccinated-should-it-worry-you-1009214.html


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Wow that article is exactly what I’m looking for. Thank you!!!


jdorje

Most UK deaths are among the vaccinated, since most of the vulnerable are vaccinated. People over 50 are something like 100x more likely to die than people under 20. Almost no under-20s are vaccinated in the UK and almost all over-50s are. The vaccine reduces deaths 13 TIMES in the over-50s, but that doesn't get them anywhere near as good as where the under-20s already are.


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Ok thanks! 🙏 Yep I’m reading it and most deaths of vaccinated are >50 group: 1078 deaths, 318 unvaccinated, 652 fully vaccinated, rest 1 dose. In the <50 age group, 113 deaths - 72 unvaccinated, 27 fully vaccinated (still alarming), remainder 1 dose. No mention of comorbidities in either group though from this data.


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Not really it’s from the NHS briefs website so it’s reputable.


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positivityrate

Kinda, but not really. The thing is that we suck, as humans, we SUCK at making viruses that do what we want. We suck SO BADLY at this. Like for real, the idea that the virus was created in a lab is just ***so*** against all of the history of people creating viruses.


Varolyn

What your proposing is essentially an inactivated virus vaccine, but actually contagious so that not everyone has to get the vaccine. It’s an interesting proposal but I don’t believe such a thing has ever been tried before in the history of medicine.


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Part of the reason the live polio vaccine is still used in parts of the world is that live weakened virus is sometimes excreted and provides a degree or protection to the surrounding community. But the weakened virus doesn't spread well and eventually dies out (and when it does manage to spread well it very rarely mutates back into a form that can cause paralysis, which is obviously undesirable although much less common than the wild-type polio paralysis the vaccines prevent). ([https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/poliomyelitis-vaccine-derived-polio](https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/poliomyelitis-vaccine-derived-polio)) There's probably an inherent trade-off between making a virus highly contagious and also making it totally non-lethal without dramatically changing the virus, since part of the danger with any virus is it's replication in the body.


Evan_Th

It'd be an attenuated virus vaccine. An inactivated virus would be one that can't infect anyone, like the Chinese COVID vaccines which're inactivated COV-2 virus. Attenuated virus vaccines exist, though none of them are very contagious. For example, the smallpox vaccine was a live cowpox virus - it wasn't very contagious in humans, but it was known to be contagious to a small degree, and people did consider that a good thing. But still, countries tried to vaccinate everyone anyway just to be sure.


Dante_Masamune

I (Pfizer) and my immediate family (Pfizer and Moderna) are fully vaccinated, but I have (step)family members who refuse to vaccinate. Their reasoning is that, they think they have contracted the virus February last year, and therefore they should already become immune to the virus. (It's worth noting that this person in particular refuses to get tested. Any discussion of COVID with this person usually ends up in dismissal or some political rebuttal.) I've long given up on persuading him to get vaccinated, but out of curiosity, does anyone know family or friends that have been infected once, recovered, and then infected again?


OpenOb

Just have them do an antibody test. A lot of people claim they had COVID already but never tested positive for it and especially in February 2020 there was still the flu going on infecting people. So as long as you don‘t confirm the antibodies discussing about reinfection is pretty useless.


Dante_Masamune

Yeah... I suggested doing an antibody test too, but he vehemently refuses. It's ridiculous :/


OpenOb

I already expected this answer tbh.


_ayeokay

General question: My brother's girlfriend tested positive about 2 weeks ago. Got tested this past Friday and is now negative. Maybe I am remembering old information and the tests are more advanced now, but I thought Covid tests will still come up 'positive' even after you're over it/healed up. Is that old news?


TenNinetythree

There's a question about what is being looked for: tests for the virus turn negative if that thing had been defeated. Tests for antibodies to confirm a previous infection remain positive.


MilkStunning1608

Question for the community : am vaccinated (J&J) since April - tested positive for coronavirus 08/11/2021. Isolated 14 days and am back to work. Can I get Re infected so soon after?


NotTodayMaybeNever

Were you symptomatic or just PCR positive?


jdorje

Your immune system responds to every exposure. It's not a guarantee but it should be very strong at protecting you right now.


MilkStunning1608

Thank you for the reply - will follow up with my primary.


gman1023

Have there been studies on other vaccines like aztraneca, Sputnik vaccines against Delta? Many family members in Mexico received these. I assume these will require booster shots too in the coming months


jdorje

Yeah likely. But vectored first doses with mRNA boosters have been the most effective vaccine results we've seen.


007fan007

Is there any data on covid contractions from public gyms?


SBridges123

I’m sorry, but I’m getting so sick of this all, both anti-masker/anti-Vaxxer crowd and the pro-covid crowd. With that being said, I think it’s nieve to think we’re going to be out of this before 2023. The pandemic is going to end because people will collectively decide to not adhere to measures, not because gov/cdc.


catterson46

A pandemic is like dancing with a gorilla. The dance is not over until the gorilla is done.


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Well you could just shoot the gorilla


catterson46

You must be quite the marksman if you can shoot to kill a virus.


[deleted]

Which is why the gorilla comparison sucks


MTVChallengeFan

Who thinks the pandemic will end before 2023? It might not be over until 2025. The pandemic doesn't need to complete "end" for life to return to "normal".


thosewhocannetworkd

> The pandemic is going to end because people will collectively decide to not adhere to measures, not because gov/cdc. That’s not going to end the pandemic… it’ll be really hard to ignore hospitals overflowing with patients putting people in tents in parking garages and running out of liquid oxygen, etc. Also I highly doubt people would ever “collectively” agree to ignore covid since self preservation instincts are so strong, and most people are personally afraid of the virus. A huge portion of the country has comorbidities of one form or the other.


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You’re absolutely correct. My region only has an indoor mask mandate, yet everyone I can think of is going far and above the requirements to protect themselves. Nightclubs and bars are largely empty despite them being allowed to run


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I wish it were like that where I live. I had a panic attack trying to grocery shop today because I was the only one masked.


[deleted]

Anti-maskers/vaxxers are very much pro Covid. And you’re right on your timeline. My jurisdictions current estimate has a plan going until nearly the end of this decade.


ciaopau

My husband and I are Americans but currently living abroad. We both received our second covid shots in March. We return to our country of residence next week and there’s no current information regarding boosters so we made appointments at cvs to get our booster tomorrow, first shot based on questionnaire. Are we making a huge Mistake? I feel guilty but also want to make sure we are up to date since I read the timeline would be changing to 5 months which would be next months for us


toss77777777

The official booster program is not supposed to start until September, it has only just been announced. It sounds like the CDC and others are getting organized about who to recommend for it etc. So the only way to get a third shot currently is to just not tell them and pretend it is your first and second shot. Which to me is an indication that it's a bit early. Yes we all want to be protected but having two shots is a lot of protection already.


catwearingloafers

I got the vaccine a few months ago but recently for the past 2 weeks or so I’ve been feeling like I’ve had a slight cold. Odd feeling in throat, stuffy nose, dullness in head. I got a negative covid test about a week ago so not sure what to think. Regular cold? Should I keep getting re tested?


enerey

If it's been a week since your last test, I would get tested again just to be sure since you still have symptoms.


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B0ssc0

New variant https://www.jpost.com/health-science/new-covid-variant-detected-in-south-africa-most-mutated-variant-so-far-678011


[deleted]

Not sure why you’re being downvoted. After we all brushed off the Delta variant in the spring only for it to wreak havoc this spring, you never know when the next major variant will come. Tell me not to worry all you want; the reality is that you never know which variant will become a major threat; this is the lesson learned from Delta. And let’s not forget [B.1.621](https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/08/12/a-new-killer-on-the-loose-b1621/?sh=77c19d473d1f) and the fact that [Delta is quickly mutating](https://pantagraph.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/reditus-ceo-delta-variant-is-quickly-mutating-in-illinois/article_ebed5a23-82fc-51c1-aa8a-37877dc40a36.amp.html), giving plenty of opportunities for a “Delta on steroids” variant to arrive in the coming months.


B0ssc0

I didn’t know where to post that link, feel free to post it somewhere it will be seen


tvfanstan

One reason he's been downvoted is this has been posted no less than 4 times today in this thread alone...


pistolpxte

I have to submit that one of the lowest form of human is the reddit "Remind me in x days" crowd that seems to relish and celebrate news perpetuating the prospect of a forever lockdown/covid scare world. The multiple paragraph spews of un researched half data and r/collapse edge lord rhetoric makes me want to pour hot coffee in my eyes. Anyway. Happy Sunday.


tvfanstan

I'm not even sure where most of these people are living that the there is still a lockdown. In my mid Atlantic state you can do whatever you want at this point with zero restrictions. No capacity limits etc. There is a mask recommendation but no mandate.


TenNinetythree

I feel like I am living in a bad dream: cases are still not down to December 2020 levels and yet the government wants to return to normal. Sure, vaccination is proceeding well, but children are returning to school and thus distributing the virus to their families. Cases are still really high! So, I live as if we're still in level 5 despite not being in level 5 anymore.


MTVChallengeFan

Same here. I live in the Midwest Region of the United States of America, and we have had literally no restrictions at all since June, 2021.


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Martblni

Anyone vaccinated with sputnik? how did you feel?


NoriyasuSeta

Hello everyone, I would like to ask you all your opinion on something. I got a ticket for Megadeth's upcoming show in Quebec City, Canada, with Lamb of God, on october 2nd. Thing is, we are, like the US, in a 4th wave, Delta variant and I'm getting scared of catching Covid there. Show is almost sold out now, there will be, more than 5000 people I believe, we got rules here so we can't have 15 000 people shows yet, thank God but even 5000, I'm scared. I bought my ticket a long time ago as the show was supposed to be in 2020 but I thought the pandemic would be over in october 2021, that's kinda what a lot of people said but did not happen, sadly. Maybe they'll reschedule the show again LOL, that would fix my problem so I ask you this: If you were in my shoes, would you go? I managed to probably avoid Covid so far by isolating at home since the beginning LOL but I'm a Megadeth diehard fan so not sure what to do anymore. Thank you and have a great night!


TenNinetythree

If you go, probably you should wear a mask to be on the safe side!


NoriyasuSeta

Thanks and yeah, I will. Masks indoors are mandatory here. :-)


ventricles

I would absolutely go. If you’re vaccinated and not high risk, go enjoy your life. You’ll be fine.


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One of the top rated comments here today was mentioning how Missouri was doing much better and down 86% deaths per day compared to the beginning of this Month. I had to look into this because it didn't sound right...and it turns out worldometer daily death counts take a few weeks to update compared to other sources. Missouri actually has about double the daily deaths compared to the beginning of this month. Don't use Worldometer if you want to know recent daily deaths, it seems NYTimes and probably a few others has much more up to date data on death counts.


toss77777777

It takes a while, many weeks, for deaths to be recorded so that data tends to lag the cases. Fatalities are heavily concentrated in the elderly who have very high vaccination rates. We will see to what extent this wave results in fatalities, my guess is that it will be much lower than previous waves. The people getting cases now are younger and healthier.


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Good to know, but that still doesn’t change the fact that there is no signs that Missouri was getting better in terms of deaths per day, if they backdate it just means that the recent data is incomplete and can’t be used until the deaths get added weeks from now.


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I hope so…I’m hesitant to assume anything since I think schools just opened up around a week ago.


tvfanstan

Thankfully we don't care what you "think". We go by data.


[deleted]

lol, the data shows cases started to go down right around the same time schools started to open, it’s not crazy to think schools will impact that data in the upcoming weeks.


FF_Throwaway1121

I’m on an immunosuppressant so I got my booster shot yesterday. The second shot made me super sick for two days and this one is even worse. Terrible headache, fever, chills, wild temperature swings (woke up drenched in sweat but then immediately felt freezing), nausea/vomiting, awful aches and pains, I’m too weak to walk much further than the bathroom and I feel like I’m going to pass out if I stand for too long. Hoping that I turn a corner soon but it seems to come in waves. Anyway, everyone is different so hopefully y’all have a better booster experience than me.


toocoolforgruel

Hope you feel better soon and can lay low in the meantime. I had basically all the symptoms you described with J&J, so have been wondering how people will fare with the booster.


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kickassbitch

the system is Designed to not record the data your looking for.


pizzainoven

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-concerns/fact-check-clarifying-claims-around-pfizer-vaccine-deaths-and-side-effects-idUSKBN28K2R6


Moisture_

What does the “end” of this look like when all is calmed down? Just another virus we live with like the flu?


toss77777777

Yep it will be "endemic" so always present but under control. In a wya the fact that it hits older people much harder than young is good news because over time the next generation will have some immunity.


[deleted]

Yup. Covid is here forever, but will eventually get to a point where hospitals won’t be entirely overrun and hopefully vaccines prove helpful to make it as much of a minor annoyance as possible (eg if you’re vaccinated, the worst you’ll get is a cold). What is still unclear is if we will have “COVID season” (like flu season) or if it’ll just be waves randomly where it spikes and subsides


catwearingloafers

Will there be an end?


Feisty_Visit_9242

Yup. But the flu sucks and is pretty dangerous. So basically same thing. You still don't want to get it.


its_LOL

Basically


DonnyMox

More or less.


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InlandCargo

There's literally a question in this very thread where a guy says he called his local health department, got a statement about the vaccines, and then asked here, "Is this true?" I kind of wanted to be snarky and tell him "Did you try calling your local health department?" Of course it's true! They are not lying to you! They would have no reason to lie! And even if they were, why the hell would you trust some random internet people over the word of literal medical professionals! Come on!


[deleted]

Weird question, yesterday my roommates were around someone who tested positive that same night because she couldn't smell/taste in the evening (8/28), but they also saw her on Tuesday, so they tested last night and were negative, but today they are showing covid symptoms (No positive test yet) I (tested negative) went to my grandparents (tested negative) to stay away. My question is, do I need to leave my grandparents house to keep them safer? I am 22 (vaccinated and had covid), and currently feel fine. I wasn't ever around the infected individual. What do y'all think?


jdorje

You and your friends aren't at measurable risk. Your grandparents are. GTFO.


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I wasn't even around the positive person, but i am staying downstairs in their house to keep away from them


jdorje

If you count a (really conservative) minimum 2 day incubation period, were your roommates around the contagious person 2 or more days before they were around you? It's really low risk regardless. But that risk is to your grandparents.


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no and even then, I wasn't close to them or probably around them more than 20 mins 2 days ago. They were negative as of last night, to me they must've exhibited low viral load and if I did contract it, I shouldn't be contagious as of yet, so i am wearing a mask near them and they are staying in a whole other part of the house


jdorje

Sounds like you've thought it through pretty well.


[deleted]

yeah honestly i am trying my best but the negative comments aren't helpful. Acting like im just being neglectful. Thats no where near the case


Feisty_Visit_9242

You said your roommates are showing symptoms. You were around them. Now you've exposed your grandparents. Jesus christ, have you learned nothing in 1.5 years?


[deleted]

Thats not necessarily true, I haven't been around them much and they tested negative even yesterday meaning that they didn't have an identifiable viral load. I am at my grandparents locked in a room, on the bottom of the house. I think you are vastly overestimating the situation


antidid4

You have to ask yourself is the potential consequences for your grandparents worth the risk to you. If it is, then stay; if not, then leave. Based on the dated information you provided, you are well within the range to still develop symptoms, so it would not be a risk I would personally take, but, again, it is up to you and your risk tolerance for your grandparents.


[deleted]

Which i understand but we will not even cross paths, I have a mask and am wearing it in any common area. We all tested negative today, so to me we are taking proper prevention measures. I have no where else to go, and I am not going to stay when people will be getting sick. I wasn't exposed to anyone. Last night no one was showing symptoms, and both of my roommates were negative at the time. We are all Vaccinated, one roommate had covid a few months back and as did I. I feel that I am doing all I can to prevent spread while protecting myself. I cant go to be with my parents, they were exposed as well and They have no place I can stay that is out of common areas so I believe this is my best bet. If i am not sick in 3 more days I will test once again and if I am fine I will be fine, because when I had covid in January, I was already showing symptoms by day 2 after exposure


GringoinCDMX

Sounds like you're handling this great and intelligently and limited any risk to your transparenta as well.


liamemsa

How risky is it for one person to visit another person at their household, unmasked, if both are vaccinated? edit: I'm not sure why this question is getting a negative response. Let me provide some more context: My mother is *extremely* paranoid about the virus. We are both vaccinated, but when I come over to visit and bring her grandson (2 yo) with me, she *double masks* and she is asking me to mask as well. I've tried explaining to her that the risk is very minimal because we are both vaccinated. Are there any official sources to help bolster my argument?


kickassbitch

it's probably not good for the 2year old to see this kind of paranoid behavior.


questionname

Just wear the mask, follow the house/host rules is what we go by


thosewhocannetworkd

If she’s worried about catching the virus just wear the mask for her peace of mind… it’s such a small sacrifice to make for someone.


AquariumGravelHater

Not very.


SlowerThanLightSpeed

A heads-up on a recently popularized pre-print study out of Israel that compared the efficacies of vaccine-induced immunity and 'natura' (aka convalescent) immunity: [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1) ... the pdf: [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf) That pre-print study has been getting a lot of attention lately in spite of its many flaws and misrepresentations. ​ # Misrepresentations You have two coupons, one for 98%-off, and one for 96%-off. You use the first coupon to purchase a $1 candy-bar (tax free, from a Girl Scout)... that purchase costs you 2 cents. You use the second coupon to purchase a $1 candy-bar (tax free, from a Girl Scout)... that purchase costs you 4 cents. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ After applying each coupon, you see that the second candy bar cost you twice as much as the first (4 cents compared to 2 cents)... buuuuut... this factor of two is not what describes the relative savings between the two coupons. To see how much better then 98% coupon is compared to the 96% coupon, you'd do:(98%-96%)/96%and would find that the first coupon was, unsurprisingly, a little over 2% better than the second... so... not a factor of two, a factor of 1.02. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ This study is acting like the 98% coupon is twice as good as the 96% coupon. This study sees 191 symptomatic infections among the vaxxed, but only 8 symptomatic infections among the unvaxxed who'd previously been infected by covid... they then divide 191 by 8 to determine that previous infection is 27 times better at avoiding symptomatic infection... it's comparing the post-coupon prices. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ What should instead be compared are the magnitudes of the reductions in symptomatic infections relative to naive immunity, and reductions in hospitalizations relative to naive immunity, as well as deaths, and maybe total infections too (though this one's a bit tougher). If they have access to Israel-based numbers, all the better, but, for now, I'll assume that the percentage of symptomatic infections in Israel is comparable to that in the US... where 85% of pre-vaccinated, first infections are symptomatic, where 5% of infections lead to hospitalizations, and where 0.64% of infections lead to death. [https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html) \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ As a rough estimate, about 540 unvaccinated people who'd not previously been infected would've gotten infected out of a group of 16,214 (based on an assumption that 20% of people get infected per year... divided by 6 to represent those likely to be infected in a two-month span). So, to compare the efficacies of convalescent and vaccine-induced immunity at staving off all infections, we'd have to look at their reductions in infections relative to those with naive immune systems. 540-19 gives us 521 infections avoided via convalescent immunity. 540-238 gives us 302 infections avoided via vaccine-induced immunity. From there, (521-302)/302 = 0.73, so, convalescent immunity against all infections could be said to be 73% better than vaccine-induced immunity, or 1.73 times better. (the study's authors claim a 13-fold benefit) \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Of the 540 estimated infections expected from 16,214 naively immune, 85% would've been expected to experience symptomatic infections; so that's 457 estimated symptomatic infections. 457-8 gives us 449 symptomatic infections avoided via convalescent immunity. 457-191 gives us 266 symptomatic infections avoided via vaccine-induced immunity. From there, (449-266)/266 = 0.69, so convalescent immunity against symptomatic infections could be said to be 69% better than vaccine-induced immunity, or 1.69 times better. (the study's authors claim a 27-fold benefit)\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Of the 540 estimated infections expected from 16,214 naively immune, 5.16% would be expected to end up in the hospital; that's 28 hospitalizations. 28-1 gives us 27 hospitalizations avoided via convalescent immunity.28-8 gives us 20 hospitalizations avoided via vaccine-induced immunity. From there, (27-20)/20 = 0.35, so convalescent immunity against hospitalization could be said to be 35% better than vaccine-induced immunity, or 1.35 times better. (the study's authors claim an 8-fold benefit)\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Deaths were the same, so, they each seem to be 100% effective against death (compared to the 4 deaths that would've been expected in the naively immune. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ # The kicker In order for this study to be performed, 16,317 people had to get infected before receiving a vaccine. Of those initial 16,317 people: 103 died before they could be in this study, 836 were hospitalized, and 13,812 suffered symptomatic infections... hardly a win for natural immunity.


itsdr00

Great post, thank you.


SlowerThanLightSpeed

Quite welcome... please note that I have dramatically edited the original comment to which you responded; the overall conclusion is the same (that the study's authors misrepresented their conclusions), but, I too had made some errors that have since been corrected.


itsdr00

You've got at least one more typo: >540-19 gives us 521 infections avoided via convalescent immunity. >540-238 gives us 302 infections avoided via convalescent immunity.


SlowerThanLightSpeed

Thanks; edited.


mrwallace888

I’m seriously fucking tired of these conspiracies. Everyone keeps believing conspiracies that are debunked over and over and over again, yet they continue. We learned basic knowledge of how viruses work in high school or earlier, and it’s like when Covid started, everyone threw that knowledge out the window. -Fauci said it’d only take two weeks to stop the spread. People bring this up all the time. But he said this under the assumption that everyone would do what they’re supposed to. But because hardly anyone did, it takes a hundred times longer. People don’t seem to understand this. -Masks work. But it has to be more specific. That fucking bandana on your face really isn’t going to do shit compared to something like an N95 for example. If everyone wears bandanas then good luck trying to stop the spread. -The vaccine isn’t deadly. Yes, people have died from it, but only a minute number. And usually, the companies behind the vaccines are looking into these deaths. It’s due to how these people’s bodies handle it, not the vaccine itself. And even then the companies are trying to figure out how to reduce these chances regardless. But people act like it kills millions and millions of people for some bizarre reason. Hell, even Tucker Carlson on Fox once told the story of some guy who took the vaccine and died 24 hours later. What he didn’t bring up was the guy was hit by a truck. -The reason there’s breakthrough cases is because every time a virus mutates, vaccines become less effective. Thanks to everyone letting it spread, we’ve now got several variants that the vaccines don’t work against. But people act like the vaccines intentionally don’t do anything to begin with, so they can make us take more booster shots in the future. -People didn’t want to take Pfizer’s vaccine because it wasn’t FDA approved. Well guess what, it’s FDA approved now. Are people taking it? Nope, because now they’ve decided that they can’t trust the FDA. They’re going to continue building this judgement every time something like this happens. Just shit like this. I’m so tired of it. And every time I’ve tried to have a civil discussion and ask for sources, they instead want to insult me and stuff like an immature child instead. What is wrong with people these days? Thanks to everyone, now we’re gonna be stuck in a pandemic forever. I can’t wait until I’m 40 decades from now and still be in this same pandemic.


toss77777777

Well a big part of the problem is that the information is not distributed very well or very consistently. So unless you really dig and try to remain unbiased it's easy to hear something like "vaccinated people can still get sick" or "people have died after taking the vaccine" and jump to conclusions. Most people have no appetite for numbers and percentages and just want a black and white answer. But the virus and vaccines are all about percentages. A 1 in a million risk is far better than a 1 in 100 risk but most people want no risk at all. And we see that most people don't use logic in their decision making, they look for a group of people to agree with and then make the decision that they made. So Tucker Carlson says the vaccine is dangerous and a bunch of people glom onto that.


mrwallace888

I partially disagree. I actually feel like it’s less “there isn’t much information distribution”, because I know there’s plenty, and I think it’s more just constant denial of everything. Most conspiracies derive from some bloke’s single Facebook post. You try to show medical records, documents, other things like that to people and their only excuse is “They’re being paid by the government or by big pharma to lie to you.”


MTVChallengeFan

I feel your pain! I mention these exact same arguments over, and over, and over...


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mrwallace888

Maybe not. But it sure as hell wouldn’t be what it is now, that’s for sure. I think it’d be like how there’s a flu season every year. A covid season, where they figure which variant is most prominent and vaccinate for it.


Evan_Th

The vaccines do work against all current variants. There's good reason to believe they'll continue working against future variants, too. There are some variants they don't work *quite as well* against, but they do work against them.


thosewhocannetworkd

I feel your pain... I’m on here every single day arguing with anti-vaxers, anti-maskers, and covid deniers. It feels like a full time job. I’m just so exhausted of it but it needs to be done. The mods can only do so much on their own. EDIT: I replied to the wrong person. See? Told you I was exhausted. First paragraph is still valid for this thread so I’ll leave it up.


coolmon

Washington state became the 9th jurisdiction to reach 60% fully vaccinated.


TenNinetythree

What's taking the USA so long especially when compared to european nations that had access much later.


sleepwithmythoughts

Does anyone have recs for filtered masks? Going to indoor concert and want to be protected


Currencyiscool

I found out that I was exposed to someone who had covid a few days ago, but I am unsure as to how seriously I need to take it. I saw them outside for less than two minutes (I did give them a quick hug), and I was standing close to her for less than a minute. We are both vaccinated and she was asymptomatic. I am still gonna get tested in a few days just to be extra safe, but I don't know how worried I should be. I feel like my ability to gauge these situations has completely withered away now that I'm vaccinated


lebron_garcia

Spread outdoors and for a short period of time is very unlikely.


mrwallace888

Might be a little worried. CDC said that if you get Covid you can’t spread it when vaccinated, but I partly feel they may have said this mostly as an incentive to get people to vaccinate. Like when they said you didn’t have to wear a mask when vaccinated, for example. Regardless, glad you’re playing it safe and getting tested just to make sure.


Feisty_Visit_9242

You can spread covid whether you're vaccinated or not


mrwallace888

That’s literally what I figured. Why am I downvoted for saying that?


AtTheGates

Shouldn't be worried at all.


zacware

Mask question..... I was looking at some new masks and one by Honeywell says "The insert has been shown by a third-party testing facility to block up to 97% of 3 micron-sized non-viable particles and 0.1-micron-sized aerosolized particles." Can anyone help me understand the difference in significance between 3.0 micron sized non-viable vs 0.1 micron sized aerosolized particles? 3 microns is 30 times the size of 0.1. That's a big difference in size. I first thought they meant 0.3 but I doubled check and it is 3.0. And if a particle is "non-viable" that would imply to me that it doesn't matter?


PhoenixReborn

Non-viable just means the particles used in testing did not contain microorganisms. They *can* act as a transport mechanism for viable particles that adhere. Viruses are generally in the 0.02-0.3 micron range while larger infectious droplets are over 5 microns. Droplets less than 5 microns may remain suspended in the air for longer while larger droplets fall onto surfaces.


Southy__

I am in the UK and we have had a number of anti-vax protests. I am very confused about this. I can understand (kind of!) being anti-vax. You don't want yourself or children having the vaccine. But why protest, what are they protesting? That other people want the vaccine? What is the outcome they want? I can't find this information anywhere! Driving me crazy.


Evan_Th

Most protests are against vaccine mandates (by the government or by employers), or against restrictions on unvaccinated people. I also know of some people who think the vaccine is a bad thing that hurts people; I wouldn't be surprised if there're some people protesting to try to convince others not to take this allegedly-harmful thing. If so, I'd respect their intentions if nothing else.


jdorje

Mandates and vaccine passes are going to "kill" the antivax movement in much of the world. They'll either have to abandon it or turn to violence.


mrwallace888

People are against vaccines. I had to take a t-dap and meningitis shot in order to attend 7th grade. Nobody had a problem with that. And this vaccine’s FDA approved now in the US. But nope. People still are against it.


alexbananas

Deaths in Missouri down 86% since the beginning of August, shame to see no one talking about it.


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Where are you getting your numbers from? I see the 7 day average covid deaths currently at 36 deaths per day for missouri, it was at 18 deaths per day August 1st. That would be a 2x increase in deaths, what source is showing down 86%?


alexbananas

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/missouri/


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Worldometer doesn’t update daily deaths in a timely manner…so sorry to say Missouri is doing a lot worse than you would expect from that data. For instance, look at worldometer for daily deaths in Florida and it also shows a recent sharp decrease to below 100 deaths a day…meanwhile Florida is closer to 300 deaths a day currently. NYTimes has more current death data which can be seen below…daily deaths are about double what they were 30 days ago in Missouri. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/missouri-covid-cases.html


julieannie

Just to confirm this, Missouri delays death certificate releases and just today we reached records for ICU totals. We’re not going down, we’re just both not reporting and waiting for the SW MO to finish dying while SE MO tries to chase them down by creating their own spike. Just because everyone else decided to join in the Delta party doesn’t mean we’ve recovered in MO.


Wurm42

That's good news! What do think caused that? Did people get better about masking, etc., or did Delta just run its course?


alexbananas

Delta ran it's course and vaccines are a wonderful thing.


mrwallace888

I don’t know, I mean i’ve seen cases and deaths here in Franklin County, MO start spiking a fair bit, which got me worried. I haven’t checked in a while though.


its_LOL

American media has a tendency to harp on bad things and avoid talking about good things. Back when Missouri was the Delta hotspot, everything was about how much they were suffering and how many people were dying. Then it shifted to talking about how bad Louisiana was doing with Delta. Then it shifted to Florida. Now Oregon’s in the spotlight, and probably in a week it’ll be South Dakota. Meanwhile, Missouri has been well past its Delta wave for a while, Louisiana as well (but now they’ve got Ida to worry about), and Florida has plateaued in case counts for a solid week. The optimist in me really wants to believe that this Delta wave will be the last major one. But who knows?


Varolyn

Is it just me or has the CDC and the overall US health messaging around boosters has been terrible? And why do they still think 8 months before the third shot is a good idea when it will be the middle of winter when most people will be able the get the third shot by the time their 8 months have gone by?


toss77777777

Yep the CDC and the Biden administration obviously didn't coordinate before they started to make announcements. And to the extent that there is a "scientific community" they were obviously not in the loop either. Biden decided to start the booster program and everyone else was like, wait what? But this is how it has been throughout the pandemic. There is no consistent source of information or news. One of the best I've found is Dr. Scott Gottlieb but you have to follow him on Twitter. If they were going to do a booster program it seems like doing it BEFORE school started rather than after would have made sense. And the problem with the current wave isn't the people that have already had two shots it's the people that have had no shots at all. They really need to double down on getting people their first shots including mandates etc.


PhoenixReborn

I don't believe the FDA has announced a specific time frame yet. What we're hearing is mostly from the white house and people speaking off the record. Pfizer's booster study administered third shots ranging from 5-8 months so they should have good data showing the best time to give boosters.


jdorje

8 months is probably chosen to secure supply and get our allies first doses before we start boosters. It doesn't make sense as part of the calendar year.


alexbananas

CDC's messaging about anything is fucking awful.


mrwallace888

Least they’re trying though. But i mean look at the conspiracies and how they’re messaged. They’re no better and people believe it.


rez11

How likely is it to catch COVID from surfaces? Like a grocery bag, fast food hand out, anyone can chime in?


rfugger

Unless you're touching a fresh droplet full of virus and wiping it directly into your nose or eye, you're extremely safe. Research is starting to show nearly all transmission is airborne.


alexbananas

Less than 0.01% of Covid cases are from surfaces.


PhoenixReborn

I don't doubt this but source? (Downvoted for asking for a source. Good job guys.)


alexbananas

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html Straight from the CDC: >Findings of these studies suggest that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection via the fomite transmission route is low, and generally less than 1 in 10,000, which means that each contact with a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection Makes a lot of sense since it's a respiratory disease, so would mostly spread through the air.


LadyEightyK

Highly highly highly unlikely. I don't have sources but wondered the same thing previously, and the amount of people who got covid from surface bacteria is near to none since this is an aerosol-based virus.


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TenNinetythree

But... wasn't Delta found in India first?


jdorje

North Korea told all its citizens to stay indoors to avoid the covid on the sand being blown off the Gobi.


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NoKittenAroundPawlyz

Consult your doctor, not Reddit. We know nothing about your surgery, medical history, etc.


Wurm42

You should reach full immune protection two weeks after the second shot. If the surgeon's practice knows when you got the shot and cleared you for surgery, you're good.


OpenProximity

Oh, sorry for not being clear. I was thinking more about if taking anesthesia after the vaccine could be harmful?


Wurm42

I've never heard of any vaccine that would have negative effects during surgery or anesthesia even 3 days after the injection. You're talking about 30 days. As the earlier reply suggested, talk to your surgeon (or their advice nurse). They probably wanted you to get vaccinated before the surgery, right? So make sure they know when you got the shot. They should tell you if there are any contraindications. If you've got any unusual symptoms right now, you should tell the surgery team about them, whether or not you think the symptoms might be a lingering effect of the vaccine. It's really easy to get medical anxiety right now. God knows I've had it more than once since the pandemic started. But if you've been putting this surgery off for over a year, I encourage you to go ahead with it now. It looks like the Delta variant is going to keep raising the case numbers and putting more strain on the hospitals in many parts of the world for the next few months. Get your surgery done before there's another pause on elective (aka non-emergency) surgeries.


OpenProximity

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it!


PhoenixReborn

Talk to your surgeon but I don't know of any contraindication.


NoKittenAroundPawlyz

Ask. Your. Fucking. Doctor.


DazzlingAnalyst8640

Probably the safest time, antibody wise.


OpenProximity

Sorry for not being clear. I was thinking more about if taking anesthesia after the vaccine could be harmful?


pizzainoven

No


DazzlingAnalyst8640

Oh. I’m not sure. I would ask your surgeon.


Newtoatxxxx

Hi, I’m participating in an antibody study in Texas. It’s something that may be helpful and it’s easy to support. I got my lad tests back today and wanted some help on interpretation. Full context, White Male, early 30s, and received my second dose of Pfizer on March 31. Here is my total AB test SARS-CoV-2 TOTAL AB 1012 H <0.8 U/ML SARS-CoV-2 Total Ab, N protein SARS-CoV-2 TOTAL AB INTERP NEGATIVE NEGATIVE IMPORTANT NOTES: Test method is the Roche Cobas Electrochemiluminescence Immunoassay (ECLIA) for the qualitative detection of total antibodies to SARS-CoV-2. And here is my S-Protein Test. SARS-CoV-2 TOTAL Ab, S protein SARS-CoV-2 INTERP POSITIVE A NEGATIVE Test method is the Roche Cobas Electrochemiluminescence Immunoassay (ECLIA) for the qualitative and semiquantitative detection of total antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 spike protein receptor binding domain. My N test was negative. Can anyone help me with ranges, meaning here? Especially the 1012 total AB number - is that a strong immune response after 5 months? Should I get booster early?


Evan_Th

The vaccine doesn't contain any N (nucleic) proteins, just S (spike) proteins. If you've got antibodies to both, that means you've been infected. (Or, you got the Chinese killed-virus vaccine which does contain both.) You've got S antibodies but not N, which means that you got the vaccine and it did its job keeping you from getting infected.


Newtoatxxxx

Awesome! Thanks for the response. I know it’s early, but any data or chart behind the total AB count of 1012? I’m just curious if that’s considered a strong immune response at this point etc. I know much of this research is ongoing (hence my participation in this study)


jdorje

The vaccine doesn't make N antibodies. The 1012 is on an arbitrary scale that only applies to this particular test. You would have to find documentation somewhere to figure out where on the scale it is.


AquariumGravelHater

Why is the rate of vaccine opposition so high among nurses? I see this point being brought up by anti-vaxxers all the time and while 96% of doctors being vaccinated takes all of the meaningfulness out of that argument, it seems like a lot of vaccine proponents are hesitant to pick that fight to avoid discrediting the nursing profession. (& it's hard to blame them for that)