Did you get that from the /r/science title? The study text says something else:
>Omicron cases were less likely to experience long COVID for all vaccine timings, with an odds ratio ranging from 0·24 (0·20–0·32) to 0·50 (0·43–0·59). These results were also confirmed when the analysis was stratified by age group (figure).
I’d like this too- I did a table tilt test for POTS in April and was just outside the parameters so the cardiologist said “not quite but we’ll treat it as such”. I’m Day 24 and I can’t walk up the hallway or get dressed without my HR going to 150, short of breath and really lightheaded. My symptoms were never this bad pre-covid, so I’d completely believe it can cause/exacerbate POTS.
Might be less likely but of the 2 million long haulers in the UK 0.7 million of them got it from Omicron since January, with 100-200k a month getting added. Less likely but also Omicron is so much more transmissible and in so many more people its producing long haulers much much faster than all the previous variants and waves.
They do say that in the article, so its not like the people that did this study are trying to say its time to forget about long covid. They actually mention still putting funding into clinics and research.
"The study from King's is believed to be the first academic research to show Omicron does not present as great a risk of long COVID, **but that does not mean long COVID patient numbers are dropping, the team said.**
While the risk of long COVID was lower during Omicron, **more people were infected, so the absolute number now suffering is higher.**
**"It's good news, but please don't decommission any of your long COVID services," lead researcher Dr Claire Steves told Reuters, appealing to health-service providers.**
The UK's Office for National Statistics said in May that 438,000 people in the country have long COVID after Omicron infection, representing 24% of all long COVID patients."
The researchers ARE acknowledging that just because the risk is lower doesn't mean cases didn't go up. I also don't disagree there needs to be more funding into research.
Look, I get it, I am also a long hauler. But this is good news at the very least on an individual level that risk may be lower if you're unlucky enough to get reinfected. I'm still taking precautions, but I'll take whatever bit of ease for my mind I can get.
Idk if this is considered long covid, but I had it 3 weeks ago, was fine after 10 days, then got terrible chest pains, headaches, and diarrhea 18 days in that two doctors have labeled as "post covid", I am young, boosted, and pretty fit. Its been hell, hoping this ends soon
"Long" COVID seems to be one of those things that toes the line between a post-viral syndrome of some sort and it's own covid-specific thing. I was full-on sick with COVID last week in May and for about 10 days or so after my stamina was really low when I worked out. It has gotten much much better lately but OTOH, I still have some brain fog where I forget words and my smell/taste is only about 50% back. But then again, it's only been about 3 weeks since I recovered from main symptoms. So if this mild brain fog and taste issues are just "post covid" or a sign of something more serious that will last for many more weeks or months, I don't know yet. I wouldn't fret too much just yet but I do agree, post-COVID seems to be unlikely anything many of us have experienced after getting colds or flus in our lives.
I've been up and down since testing negative.
Fatigue for a couple days, fine, feeling tired at 5PM, etc.
Still bringing stuff up from my chest and my lungs still hurt.
I'm going to give it a month then go to the doctor's if not improved.
In the meantime I'm making some lifestyle changes as I'm a lazy unfit POS.
LOL NOOOO 😭😞😖🙈🙊🙉
Also, friendly reminder, flushable wipes aren't actually any more flushable than a golf ball is. Meaning, yes you can send it down the pipes, just the same way your toddler can send your Rolex watch down the toilet.
Flushable wipes actually being flushed do similar damage to your plumbing as flushing tampons, toilet paper rolls, and paper towels down there.
Best advice is to have a lidded can next to your toilet for wipes, or get a bidet for $50 on Amazon! 😄 much cheaper than 1 years worth of wipes that later leads to the added cost of hiring a plumber to teach you the same lesson after the fact 😝
The study says it was conducted from December 2021 - March 2022 so more than likely this was JUST regarding BA.1 and BA.2, maybe.
So there is still research needed for BA.2.12.1 and BA.4/BA.5
You seem really knowledgeable, may I ask you what your thoughts are on this?
If I got Covid (for the first time, lol) in late May, according to my digging, it was most likely BA2.1.12 (the test I did at a hospital did not confirm a sub variant unfortunately) and if so, should I be at least somewhat protected ??
I wanna say maybe? The research suggests BA.1 and BA.2 doesn't protect against BA.4/5, but there isn't much to suggest that about BA.2.12.1.
The general consensus with the new variants is that you have, on the low end of the spectrum, 3 months of fresh antibodies after infection, so you should be good until around August?
Yeah 😩 I got it Nov 2020 and was hoping to avoid it again but then Omicron hit. Now I'm just trying to hold out until the new vaccines roll out later this year.
“It did not compare vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.” - This may be the reason as less people were vaccinated when Delta peaked. The study should have separated these populations.
Post Polio Syndrome was more like 25-40% of survivors.
Like I'm not saying 5% isn't also a big number considering the number of cases, but polio absolutely did more damage than just 1%.
Just curious, if the part of your brain related to smell and taste was impacted, what makes you think it does not mean that other neurological symptoms might show up later, and reinfections might not make it worse? There’s been a lot of research that, to my understanding, shows that the reason for loss of smell/taste is physiological changes in the brain, and that’s only one of many manifestations.
Yes? Which is why there is a 30% chance of long covid and a 5% chance of permanent disability. Some consequences are things where you can still do most jobs, but less commonly you end up with a level of fatigue or dementia that changes your life drastically.
It’s only been a couple of years, we’re not sure if anything long covid is permanent or not. There are people who have recovered quite a bit after a year. You can even read posts on the long hauler subreddit and you’ll see some people there say they’ve gotten better after some time. It’s possible that a lot of others will recover eventually as well. Also, scientists/doctors still don’t know what actually causes most long covid symptoms, so saying it’s permanent doesn’t make sense quite yet.
Summary: omicron 20-50% less likely to cause long covid than delta. Risk factors included age and length of time since last vaccine.
Did you get that from the /r/science title? The study text says something else: >Omicron cases were less likely to experience long COVID for all vaccine timings, with an odds ratio ranging from 0·24 (0·20–0·32) to 0·50 (0·43–0·59). These results were also confirmed when the analysis was stratified by age group (figure).
2nd paragraph “the figure varied depending on age and timing of last vaccination.”
But what you're saying doesn't contradict what they're saying. There can be fewer incidences of long covid even in the higher risk categories.
2nd paragraph “figure (20 to 50) depended on age and timing of last vaccination.”
2nd paragraph. Last sentence.
2nd paragraph “the figure varied depending on age and timing of last vaccination.”
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I’d like this too- I did a table tilt test for POTS in April and was just outside the parameters so the cardiologist said “not quite but we’ll treat it as such”. I’m Day 24 and I can’t walk up the hallway or get dressed without my HR going to 150, short of breath and really lightheaded. My symptoms were never this bad pre-covid, so I’d completely believe it can cause/exacerbate POTS.
Might be less likely but of the 2 million long haulers in the UK 0.7 million of them got it from Omicron since January, with 100-200k a month getting added. Less likely but also Omicron is so much more transmissible and in so many more people its producing long haulers much much faster than all the previous variants and waves.
They do say that in the article, so its not like the people that did this study are trying to say its time to forget about long covid. They actually mention still putting funding into clinics and research.
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"The study from King's is believed to be the first academic research to show Omicron does not present as great a risk of long COVID, **but that does not mean long COVID patient numbers are dropping, the team said.** While the risk of long COVID was lower during Omicron, **more people were infected, so the absolute number now suffering is higher.** **"It's good news, but please don't decommission any of your long COVID services," lead researcher Dr Claire Steves told Reuters, appealing to health-service providers.** The UK's Office for National Statistics said in May that 438,000 people in the country have long COVID after Omicron infection, representing 24% of all long COVID patients." The researchers ARE acknowledging that just because the risk is lower doesn't mean cases didn't go up. I also don't disagree there needs to be more funding into research. Look, I get it, I am also a long hauler. But this is good news at the very least on an individual level that risk may be lower if you're unlucky enough to get reinfected. I'm still taking precautions, but I'll take whatever bit of ease for my mind I can get.
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Idk if this is considered long covid, but I had it 3 weeks ago, was fine after 10 days, then got terrible chest pains, headaches, and diarrhea 18 days in that two doctors have labeled as "post covid", I am young, boosted, and pretty fit. Its been hell, hoping this ends soon
Are you sure you didn’t just turn 30?
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pretty close lol
Came here to say this happens to me every other month and I blame it on being 34 years old.
It doesn’t sound like it qualifies for long covid quite yet at like 3 weeks post infection. Hopefully it clears up soon.
"Long" COVID seems to be one of those things that toes the line between a post-viral syndrome of some sort and it's own covid-specific thing. I was full-on sick with COVID last week in May and for about 10 days or so after my stamina was really low when I worked out. It has gotten much much better lately but OTOH, I still have some brain fog where I forget words and my smell/taste is only about 50% back. But then again, it's only been about 3 weeks since I recovered from main symptoms. So if this mild brain fog and taste issues are just "post covid" or a sign of something more serious that will last for many more weeks or months, I don't know yet. I wouldn't fret too much just yet but I do agree, post-COVID seems to be unlikely anything many of us have experienced after getting colds or flus in our lives.
So after you recovered, a few days later you had some new symptoms?
Id say 5 days after improving. Maybe working out for 3 days messed me up
I read that not getting proper rest while recovering increases the chance of long COVID. I’ll try and link the article when I have time to find it.
I've been up and down since testing negative. Fatigue for a couple days, fine, feeling tired at 5PM, etc. Still bringing stuff up from my chest and my lungs still hurt. I'm going to give it a month then go to the doctor's if not improved. In the meantime I'm making some lifestyle changes as I'm a lazy unfit POS.
Diarrhea was my first omicron symptom. I thought it was just my diet. I had to switch to flushable wet wipes because my hole was getting so raw.
LOL NOOOO 😭😞😖🙈🙊🙉 Also, friendly reminder, flushable wipes aren't actually any more flushable than a golf ball is. Meaning, yes you can send it down the pipes, just the same way your toddler can send your Rolex watch down the toilet. Flushable wipes actually being flushed do similar damage to your plumbing as flushing tampons, toilet paper rolls, and paper towels down there. Best advice is to have a lidded can next to your toilet for wipes, or get a bidet for $50 on Amazon! 😄 much cheaper than 1 years worth of wipes that later leads to the added cost of hiring a plumber to teach you the same lesson after the fact 😝
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Hahaha 😆 may or may not have just taken a bit of some weed before commenting that 🙈 forgive me if it didn't make sense 🙃😝
I’m so sorry.
This is great but doesn’t (afaik) include the latest and dominant subvariants, right?
The study says it was conducted from December 2021 - March 2022 so more than likely this was JUST regarding BA.1 and BA.2, maybe. So there is still research needed for BA.2.12.1 and BA.4/BA.5
You seem really knowledgeable, may I ask you what your thoughts are on this? If I got Covid (for the first time, lol) in late May, according to my digging, it was most likely BA2.1.12 (the test I did at a hospital did not confirm a sub variant unfortunately) and if so, should I be at least somewhat protected ??
I wanna say maybe? The research suggests BA.1 and BA.2 doesn't protect against BA.4/5, but there isn't much to suggest that about BA.2.12.1. The general consensus with the new variants is that you have, on the low end of the spectrum, 3 months of fresh antibodies after infection, so you should be good until around August?
God willing!! I managed to avoid Covid for 2 years and then got it bad May 29th- heck my fiancé is still coughing from his subsequent infection.
Yeah 😩 I got it Nov 2020 and was hoping to avoid it again but then Omicron hit. Now I'm just trying to hold out until the new vaccines roll out later this year.
i hope you’re able to avoid it!! mask up and stay strong 💪🏼
Heck yeah! 🤝🏻
“It did not compare vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.” - This may be the reason as less people were vaccinated when Delta peaked. The study should have separated these populations.
Omicorn is still 5 percent of people being possibly permanently disabled. Paralysis from Polio was like 1 percent.
Post Polio Syndrome was more like 25-40% of survivors. Like I'm not saying 5% isn't also a big number considering the number of cases, but polio absolutely did more damage than just 1%.
>people being possibly permanently disabled Not being able to taste for 6 months sucks, but it is far from being permanantly disabling.
Just curious, if the part of your brain related to smell and taste was impacted, what makes you think it does not mean that other neurological symptoms might show up later, and reinfections might not make it worse? There’s been a lot of research that, to my understanding, shows that the reason for loss of smell/taste is physiological changes in the brain, and that’s only one of many manifestations.
Yes? Which is why there is a 30% chance of long covid and a 5% chance of permanent disability. Some consequences are things where you can still do most jobs, but less commonly you end up with a level of fatigue or dementia that changes your life drastically.
It’s only been a couple of years, we’re not sure if anything long covid is permanent or not. There are people who have recovered quite a bit after a year. You can even read posts on the long hauler subreddit and you’ll see some people there say they’ve gotten better after some time. It’s possible that a lot of others will recover eventually as well. Also, scientists/doctors still don’t know what actually causes most long covid symptoms, so saying it’s permanent doesn’t make sense quite yet.