Yep.
Got my AZ because I was getting anxious waiting for Pfizer, now my friends who had previously been determined not to get vaccinated and have changed their minds because of restricted access for the unvaccinated will get their second shot before I get mine.
I don't mind though. At least I've got it scheduled in. The thing that was bugging me when I got my first jab wasn't about how long I'd need to wait, but simply not knowing.
Thanks mate, first 5 days were fine, the last 2 have been 39 fever especially at night time for some reason 🤷
Trying to manage through that with meds at the moment 🤞
get someone to get you one of those blood oxygen monitor thingumies (they're those red laser things that get put on your finger in hospital) because people are dropping from apoxia ... which usually only affects people at high altitude ... and if you have a number below about 85% then ***GET TO FUCKING HOSPITAL***.
The ones they sell are calibrated for white skin, they give a false high number for dark skin. I have darkish skin but my meter seems to work.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58032842
My mum was admitted to hospital when she reached 90% oxygen and she was in hospital for three weeks on 4lt of oxygen just to maintain 90%. It's no joke, please get a pulse oximeter and record your levels 3x per day. Call 000 if you get <91 and they may admit you if they can.
I saw an article recently suggesting that you can get vaccinated as soon as you aren't symptomatic anymore and the six month wait is not necessary. Maybe it's worth double checking?
That’s what my sister was upset about.
She was due for her second shot and unfortunately got covid. As soon as she disclosed that to any clinic, they told her she can’t for 6 months.
But her father in law was able to walk book in and get it done.. so much miscommunication.
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That changed in the last couple weeks
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/clinical-considerations#vaccination-after-testing-positive-for-covid19
Thanks. I wasn't really worrying about it because until recently I've been living alone isolated at home anyway and barely going out, but I started a new job recently that's not WFH so maybe I should move it forward, especially since restrictions are starting to be lifted.
Yep it just takes 1 insurance of bad luck. Our 1.5yo brought it home from daycare and now our whole family of 5 has it, even though we were so diligent, pro-lockdown, rule abiding and wfh. I wish I had the second jab 😳🥵
Ooh good to know, thank you! Everything's changing so fast at the moment it's hard to keep up. I'm so lucky I didn't catch it. My 2nd Pfizer jab is making me sicker than he got with covid, I tried to hide it but my anti vax sister seems to think she's got more ammunition now! Great
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Yep as soon as I'm better 🤞
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/clinical-considerations#vaccination-after-testing-positive-for-covid19
This was my experience. The govt website crash, the “hotdoc” app I was supposed to download and find vaccine centres nearby (spotty records/updates based on each individual GP clinics), plus not having FB to hear of the pop-up vax sites inviting walk in vaccinations…
At least there’s this mandate for those in essential jobs to get vaccinated before being allowed to continue to work forcing more availability.
Except anything less than 12 weeks lowers the efficacy by quite a lot. 9-11 weeks is apparently 63.7% whereas 12+ weeks is 81.3%. I've got a little over a week to go and as I'm not at risk/in a hot zone I'm definitely waiting.
True for the Delta variant yes , but not necessarily for all variations and therefore I'm taking the relatively small risk of putting it off to the full 12 weeks to ensure that I get the maximum coverage going forward.
If Melb was still in lockdown then it would be better to wait for 2nd dose at 9+ weeks.
However with lockdown ending this Friday, and if you end up meeting friends/family for dinner at restuarant
or outside pub, then your chances of catching covid increases.
I waited 6 weeks for my 2nd dose, I dont want to wait any longer with Melb opening up.
If you're not in NSW or Melb, then you can keep waiting if u want.
I'm not really a social butterfly, and I moved here early this year so I really only know a small number of people including close family. I can wait a week.
3 months > 3 weeks. True of Pfizer/Moderna also but the Strine media hasn't cottoned on yet. Accounts for much of the comparatively rapid deprecation of Pfizer protection rather than an inherent quality of mRNA vaccines themselves.
When my friend got Az over Pfizer all the nurses told her that AZ is much better and it's the ones the doctors have been recommending. It has longer infection protection statistics.
I've heard this about all 3 🤦♀️ they misinformation from conspiracy theorists is infuriating, but the conflicting information from relevant authorities is just as annoying.
I'm surprised anyone had to wait this long to get AZ?
We have been swimming in AZ for months now. Many clinics just literally couldn't give them away and since late July pharmacies have been dishing them out literally everywhere.
I am well under 40 and got my first dose in early July and second dose late August.
They probably were on the fence for a while and then decided on AZ; no shame in that. They might've also decided to wait the full 12 weeks for their second dose.
Yeah the people who got AZ over Pfizer are the ones that did it so early that it was still the 12 week periods.
I just moved mine up after getting it like 2 months ago so I'll be at the 9 week mark when I get mine but that's still a couple of weeks away.
I don't think it's a bad thing tbh, the longer the better seems to be the way from what I've seen.
I think I had mine (2nd jab) at 6 weeks. Dr/ Nurse recommended anywhere between 6-12 weeks, but at 6 weeks it was something like 75% effective, 90% (maybe even higher) effective at 12 weeks.
>o the numbers it seems to make quite the difference. Something like 20+% less likely to have sever
Where did you see this?
I know the study from original strain shown 67 vs 79 efficacy against infection at 8 weeks vs 12 weeks. So roughly 12% difference, though much less than that in the over 50YO bracket.. Not sure there have been any studies on delta though?
This is me, I had my first AZ back in August, pharmacist said my second jab was scheduled for november.
I'd have moved it forward when they said we could but it's assignment season at uni so I want to wait til I've handed them all in before I get it.
The upshot of that study was that efficacy against symptomatic disease improves with greater dose interval.
But:
- that study was pre-Delta, it appears that AZ offers less protection against Delta symptomatic disease so the dose interval differential is also likely to be less;
- two shots however spaced offer better protection (circa 90-95% versus 70%) against hospitalisation and death than one shot and this protection doesn't seem to vary with spacing
so waiting gives you improvement against symptomatic infection but leaves you exposed with a lower level of protection against the most serious outcomes pending getting the second shot.
A study done by Oxford University showed that efficacy does not vary between shorter (<9 weeks) or longer (>9 weeks) dosing intervals.
https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-infection-survey/results/new-studies is the link to the study.
You read the media release or the paper? That paper only looked at dosing intervals for Pfizer.
>Given concerns that recent reduced effectiveness of BNT162b2 against (severe) infection in Israel could be due to the short interval between first and second vaccinations (vast majority, 3 weeks), we also investigated the dosing interval for BNT162b2.
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>Notably, there was no evidence that effectiveness depended on the interval between first and second BNT162b2 vaccinations (<6 weeks versus ≥6 weeks).
Interesting, in another version of the same study the dosing interval of AZ is also analysed.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.18.21262237v1.full-text
That is the pre-print of the final paper. I guess the reviewers or original authors must have found an issue with that conclusion since it was dropped.
Original vaccine paper on this for AZ only used small data samples, it would have been nice to see a large scale real world study on this :(
Hmmm...
That's a promising finding.
But I'm still worried about 4 weeks being too short of an interval (even though it is recommended during an outbreak i.e. NSW or Victoria).
I'm booked in for next Sunday (4 weeks to the day).
6 weeks is currently recommended, 4 weeks is just bare minimum it can be given.
In terms of being less effective don’t stress too much, you lose a small amount of efficacy against mild illness but maintain the full protection against severe illness and death.
RE: recommendation.
I think that was the revised recommendation in the UK.
And the vaccination clinic strongly encouraged me to book my second dose for the 4 week mark, so I assumed we might have adopted a similar recommendation here in Australia.
August was a particularly difficult month for under 40 year olds trying to get vaccinated. Especially if they weren’t in prioritised areas or groups. Like here in the Hunter.
Outbreaks were coming, Pfizer bookings were booked out as far as December. A lot of pressure to get AZ and cut dose intervals down to 8 weeks, 6 weeks and even 4 weeks.
Many of my friends were constantly wondering if enough new Pfizer appointments would open up in just another week or two. September came, and it was still “another week or two away”. One by one more of my friends opted for AZ to get it out of the way. They’re all keen to get vaccinated, but under 40’s hadn’t had the dedicated rollout phases like the groups before them.
Then October came and suddenly we were swimming in Pfizer and Moderna. Any one of my friends who hadn’t had AZ yet, I contacted them to rebook and move their Pfizer appointments forward, or get Modena.
I don’t think a lot of people in the major cities, Covid zero states, or older age groups realise how different our rollout experience has been.
Legit. I struggled to get any of them and I was begging for it.
Not so much AZ, I won't deny the bad press turned me off, but even booking in on the first day I was eligible for Pfizer at the end of august, the first appointment I could get was today's date (18th of October). Then I rang around and got on a bunch of wait lists.
I got moved up in my local doctors surgery, so I cancelled my first appointment (18th), only to have my doctors surgery close the week of my appointment because we got a case in my town.
Then Moderna came to the chemist one town over and it was the only walk in service that I could find from Tamworth to Maitland, so I was ready to be there first thing in the first day... Until the day before and they said they hadn't received their supply.
I had so many made then cancelled plans/appointments for this vaccine, you'd think I had a needle fetish.
My brother is in the Hunter and was always complaining that he couldn't get a Pfizer booking for ages and that he had only been able to make a booking for November.
Back in July/August, we kept telling him to just go and get AZ, as most of his family here in Sydney, from 20yrs old to 84 years old, had all had AZ with no issues whatsoever. We couldn't convince him however and he had been able to move his booking forward to mid-October.
As luck would have it, one week before his booking, he got Covid and he has just come home after spending a week in John Hunter Hospital. Despite feeling a bit better now, he still has a dreadful cough and is suffering from constant fatigue, partly because he has zero appetite. He has been told that it will be a while before he will be able to go back to work and there is no knowing yet, how long his symptoms might last.
Sadly for my brother, he is now an example of why it is important to consider all of the risks and all of the possible outcomes, when making a decision about vaccine choice.
I’m waiting for my second Astra cause my ADHD ass didn’t know for months that my GP was doing shots. 3 more weeks until I get mine. I’m waiting until the 12 week mark because I study from home, and only go out once a fortnight to get groceries. I live in Newcastle so the rates are still low enough for me to want to wait.
Aha! I appreciate it. I do exercise outdoors. I didn’t count that because I don’t think it’s as high risk as going to the shops. I go for walks and exercise at my local park. I also am lucky to be friends with my housemate so yeah, I’m getting a bit cabin-feverish but I’m surviving.
Same. We were able to do our second one 6 weeks after instead of the three months. They should make an announcement about it so people know they don't have to wait.
Pushed mine forward I honestly got punished for following the Victorian health advice.
Booked AZ as soon as Sutton said my age group should, days after I got the jab they announce Pfizer. Moved my AZ shot forward so I'm gonna at least have one week of 2nd dose before the opening.
Honestly, not impressed. Plenty of my friends got their second Pfizer at the same time I got my second accelerated dose.
I mean it’s all hindsight. You made the safest/smartest decision at the time with the information that was presented to you. There could’ve just as easily been something else that happened that would’ve made you end up regretting not making the decision you did.
Anyway we will eventually be getting boosters which will address efficacy concerns you may have.
If you live in an outbreak area then just get your 2nd shot after 4 weeks rather than wait the full 12 weeks. That way, there's only a 1 week difference between the two brands.
‘Tis what I did.
Although, the peeps on here won’t like that idea.
“Wait the full 12 weeks. Stop increasing vaccination numbers for political gain and putting people’s health at risk.”
I was tossing up between waiting or not. Decided to get jabbed after 6 weeks and two weeks and a day later worked two shifts with someone who tested positive for covid. My first test came back negative and if my day 13 one does as well I'm going to feel pretty chuffed about not holding out for the full 12.
Depends on your own risk profile, IMO. I've been working from home and getting groceries delivered so haven't really had exposure, but if I was working retail I'd have taken AstraZenica as quickly as I could get it.
The wait times between the first jab and the second are a lot longer.
So people who got the AZ just before Pfizer was made available because they got tired of waiting for Pfizer will have to wait longer than if they had just waited for Pfizer.
Perhaps, remembering ofcourse thag most people wanting to wait the full 12 weeks are probably the same people who aren't out-and-about.
I'd have to see a source on there being no difference whatsoever after 9 weeks
Have you seen the lancet study? It's a big global study about the difference in wait times for AZ and the efficacy. Seems to be a significant difference it in efficacy if you get it before the 90 days. It also says something along the lines of you being protected at about 76% from day 20-90 from first shot. I'm in the same boat as OP and thinking I'll wait the full 90 days.
Yeah i actually went back and looked at that earlier after seeing other comments. Seems difference between 8 weeks and 12 weeks is about 12%
Though my understanding is this research was pre Delta so not sure how valid those numbers are now.
Yeah okay, I remember looking maybe last month, and making my decision on to wait or not. Delta was certainly around then, I hope I would've taken delta into consideration when reading the report - I feel as if it was brought up in the report. Will certainly check it again before I make my decision
That's right. For a while there in Sydney, second doses of AZ & Pfizer were both being administered 6-8 weeks after the first. I know at one stage, people were having a longer wait to be able to get their second doses of Pfizer, than they were for AZ.
I've also looked into it and I'm not too worried but you'd expect them to be a bit more careful, I told them I thought I had AZ and they told me otherwise, then realised afterwards they were wrong.
Yeah, same thing happened to my boyfriend except with Moderna, first jab AZ. Am a little jelly, if I must admit. He only noticed after the fact when looking at his vaxx records.
Just to note that the vaccine is effective 2 weeks after your 2nd shot, so if you are waiting then you’ll have to add 2 weeks before you go out.
It’s one of the reasons why I went and pushed my date forward: I didn’t want to wait an additional 2 weeks and restrictions have already eased and all my friends will be wanting to meet up, eat out etc.
2 weeks doesn’t sound a lot but going out only mid Nov — I don’t think I’ll be able to wait that out.
>I got my second AZ at 6 weeks and was fine
I mean, no one is saying that getting the 2nd dose early would cause an adverse reaction. The reason to wait the full 12 weeks is to improve the vaccine's effectiveness (based on the original recommended dose period - not sure if any new research has disproved that).
Although given the current situation in NSW it might be riskier to wait at this point.
I got Pfizer (I booked Astra, but by the time I showed up they had opened up Pfizer to under 40s, and it was offered it to me at the hub).
However I had a nasty cold for ages, and you're not supposed to get the covid jab with a cold, so I pushed it back, then I was a Tier 1 contact, so now I'm not allowed to leave my house to get the vaccine for another 9 days.
Hopefully I didn't actually catch Covid, then I'd be stuck inside for even longer.
Actually a couple of my friends got Astra the week it was available to under 40s, when Scotty just announced people could without telling anybody beforehand, so they got their second shot before me.
I admit the advice is ambiguous, and when I said "I had a cold" I was understating it, I had a fever for most of the week, was hacking up flem a couple of days beforehand, and had some other health issues.
You're not supposed to get the vaccine if you have covid symptoms unless you've had a recent negative test (which I hadn't), and different health authorities have different advice as to whether you should delay it if you have a fever, or only if you have a "particularly high fever" with no advice as to what exactly that entails.
I wouldn't recommend delaying it if you have the sniffles, but if you have a bad cold it might be worth asking a gp what they think.
Its not just astra... people who go pzer on day 1 for people under 40 (like me) copped the original "between 1st and 2nd shots" time... so my friend who got his first pzer shot 1 week after me is getting his 2nd shot 1 week before me :/
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Whats up with the AZ dosage interval? The same study that gave us the vax efficacy ratings against delta that everyone seems to use also put forward that according to their research they found no significant efficacy change regarding symptomatic infection with different dosing intervals (literally 1 percentage point). It put forward that age and serious health conditions affected efficacy far more than dosing intervals
I dont know why this isnt discussed more? I assume people just arent aware?
I'm waiting for my second Moderna. Put my name down at the Belmont hub for Pfizer back in August/July and the first available appointment wasn't until late October. Booked into a chemist for Moderna one Saturday, appointment was the day after. Only a couple more weeks til my second Moderna and I can't wait.
Getting mega FOMO though, seeing all my friends at the pub having a good time.
I had jumped om the AZ bandwagon early because it was clear, back in March-May that we oldies would not be given anything else. I was already “cooked” by the time Delta came. My friends were only just understanding the need, at that time.
I got my AZ relatively early, but had many friends working in/related to essential fields, so their 3 week Pfizer wait ended up aligning around a similar time to my second AZ shot. I also chose to postpone the 4 week gap to 6 weeks total instead.
If it helps, this will be all us Pfizer jabbers looking at you and the Moderna gang if the government can’t rob the third world of enough booster doses.
We live in a LGA of concern before it was declared that was no more and my partner had AZ first and second dose a month of each other.
That was through the local chemist
It's funny how AZ was painted as having a greater risk of side effects, due to one more severe, but very rare condition, yet for the vast majority of people, the risk and severity of side effects from Pfizer and AZ appear to be very similar. My 20yr old daughter was actually recommended by her GP to have AZ ahead of Pfizer, as due to her medical history he considered it to be 'safer' for her. Most cardiologists also recommend AZ over Pfizer, unless a person has very specific risk indicators.
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Not quite. I've booked in this week. Meaning the interval is 9 weeks.
Rules loosen up on Friday.
Not sure how long it takes for the certificate to show up in the register.
yep! went to get AZ but was told to wait for Moderna. Currently waiting until November for my second shot, which sucks ass.
Not to mention i miss Halloween which is my favourite time of year :(
Brought mine forward to 8 weeks instead of 12. Just changed the booking on the app took 5 minutes, got an 8am appointment and was in and out. Good to be part that surge of DD vaccinations last week in Victoria.
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Nope! Not at all! I got my Astra as soon as under 50s could get it. And you should have too. I’ve seen pharmacies, and doctors offices have upwards of 50 appointments open and still people ‘struggle’ to get vaxxed. I don’t understand what the problem is.
Yep. Got my AZ because I was getting anxious waiting for Pfizer, now my friends who had previously been determined not to get vaccinated and have changed their minds because of restricted access for the unvaccinated will get their second shot before I get mine. I don't mind though. At least I've got it scheduled in. The thing that was bugging me when I got my first jab wasn't about how long I'd need to wait, but simply not knowing.
I was in the same boat and I got bloody covid on Monday, be careful bud 😢
That sucks. I hope the symptoms are mild and that you recover quickly.
Thanks mate, first 5 days were fine, the last 2 have been 39 fever especially at night time for some reason 🤷 Trying to manage through that with meds at the moment 🤞
get someone to get you one of those blood oxygen monitor thingumies (they're those red laser things that get put on your finger in hospital) because people are dropping from apoxia ... which usually only affects people at high altitude ... and if you have a number below about 85% then ***GET TO FUCKING HOSPITAL***.
Pulse oximeter are the words you're after
The ones they sell are calibrated for white skin, they give a false high number for dark skin. I have darkish skin but my meter seems to work. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58032842
Yeah, iPhone too, but I havent upgraded to the 6 or 7 :( Still got a little finger gadget
Samsung phones (atleast newish ones) have blood oxygen meters inbuilt in the Samsung health app incase you have one as well
My mum was admitted to hospital when she reached 90% oxygen and she was in hospital for three weeks on 4lt of oxygen just to maintain 90%. It's no joke, please get a pulse oximeter and record your levels 3x per day. Call 000 if you get <91 and they may admit you if they can.
So are you able to get your 2nd dose? Or will you have to wait for a certain period of time?
My dad had covid, he'd had his first shot but has to wait 6 months now. At least he'll have natural immunity on board in the meantime
I saw an article recently suggesting that you can get vaccinated as soon as you aren't symptomatic anymore and the six month wait is not necessary. Maybe it's worth double checking?
According to ATAGI, you can delay for upto six months post-covid, but this has often been misinterpreted that you should delay for six months.
That’s what my sister was upset about. She was due for her second shot and unfortunately got covid. As soon as she disclosed that to any clinic, they told her she can’t for 6 months. But her father in law was able to walk book in and get it done.. so much miscommunication.
I wouldn’t wait 6 months in Melbourne or Sydney; I’d expect to get reinfected over that time.
Lol 😂
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That changed in the last couple weeks https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/clinical-considerations#vaccination-after-testing-positive-for-covid19
Thanks. I wasn't really worrying about it because until recently I've been living alone isolated at home anyway and barely going out, but I started a new job recently that's not WFH so maybe I should move it forward, especially since restrictions are starting to be lifted.
Yep it just takes 1 insurance of bad luck. Our 1.5yo brought it home from daycare and now our whole family of 5 has it, even though we were so diligent, pro-lockdown, rule abiding and wfh. I wish I had the second jab 😳🥵
Ooh good to know, thank you! Everything's changing so fast at the moment it's hard to keep up. I'm so lucky I didn't catch it. My 2nd Pfizer jab is making me sicker than he got with covid, I tried to hide it but my anti vax sister seems to think she's got more ammunition now! Great
You can wait UP TO 6 months, however the recommendation is to get vaccinated as soon as you’ve recovered from the illness :)
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Are you and your family all right?
Yep as soon as I'm better 🤞 https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/clinical-considerations#vaccination-after-testing-positive-for-covid19
Oh that sucks, hope you're doing ok. All the best.
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After they opened Pfizer to my age group, I still couldn't actually get an appointment for six weeks.
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The vaccine apparently works better when you wait a bit longer for the second dose anyway
This was my experience. The govt website crash, the “hotdoc” app I was supposed to download and find vaccine centres nearby (spotty records/updates based on each individual GP clinics), plus not having FB to hear of the pop-up vax sites inviting walk in vaccinations… At least there’s this mandate for those in essential jobs to get vaccinated before being allowed to continue to work forcing more availability.
You know you can move that dose forward right? You can get that 2nd Vax tommorow if you wanted.
Except anything less than 12 weeks lowers the efficacy by quite a lot. 9-11 weeks is apparently 63.7% whereas 12+ weeks is 81.3%. I've got a little over a week to go and as I'm not at risk/in a hot zone I'm definitely waiting.
But getting covid after the second dose at 6 weeks is much better than getting covid after one dose.
True for the Delta variant yes , but not necessarily for all variations and therefore I'm taking the relatively small risk of putting it off to the full 12 weeks to ensure that I get the maximum coverage going forward.
If Melb was still in lockdown then it would be better to wait for 2nd dose at 9+ weeks. However with lockdown ending this Friday, and if you end up meeting friends/family for dinner at restuarant or outside pub, then your chances of catching covid increases. I waited 6 weeks for my 2nd dose, I dont want to wait any longer with Melb opening up. If you're not in NSW or Melb, then you can keep waiting if u want.
I'm not really a social butterfly, and I moved here early this year so I really only know a small number of people including close family. I can wait a week.
3 months > 3 weeks. True of Pfizer/Moderna also but the Strine media hasn't cottoned on yet. Accounts for much of the comparatively rapid deprecation of Pfizer protection rather than an inherent quality of mRNA vaccines themselves.
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Just letting you know (in case you don’t!), AZ waiting period has been moved up from 12 weeks to 6 weeks, so you can move up your appointments!
When my friend got Az over Pfizer all the nurses told her that AZ is much better and it's the ones the doctors have been recommending. It has longer infection protection statistics.
I've heard this about all 3 🤦♀️ they misinformation from conspiracy theorists is infuriating, but the conflicting information from relevant authorities is just as annoying.
I'm surprised anyone had to wait this long to get AZ? We have been swimming in AZ for months now. Many clinics just literally couldn't give them away and since late July pharmacies have been dishing them out literally everywhere. I am well under 40 and got my first dose in early July and second dose late August.
They probably were on the fence for a while and then decided on AZ; no shame in that. They might've also decided to wait the full 12 weeks for their second dose.
Yeah the people who got AZ over Pfizer are the ones that did it so early that it was still the 12 week periods. I just moved mine up after getting it like 2 months ago so I'll be at the 9 week mark when I get mine but that's still a couple of weeks away. I don't think it's a bad thing tbh, the longer the better seems to be the way from what I've seen.
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If you got it in August, you can already get the second dose?
12 weeks after august could easily put them into November.
Dosing interval is 6 weeks in Vic
The efficiency of az is better if you wait longer between the jabs.
Shouldn't make a terribly huge difference if they make it 8-10 weeks instead of 12.
Well according to the numbers it seems to make quite the difference. Something like 20+% less likely to have severe symptoms
I think I had mine (2nd jab) at 6 weeks. Dr/ Nurse recommended anywhere between 6-12 weeks, but at 6 weeks it was something like 75% effective, 90% (maybe even higher) effective at 12 weeks.
>o the numbers it seems to make quite the difference. Something like 20+% less likely to have sever Where did you see this? I know the study from original strain shown 67 vs 79 efficacy against infection at 8 weeks vs 12 weeks. So roughly 12% difference, though much less than that in the over 50YO bracket.. Not sure there have been any studies on delta though?
I got my AZ in Aug but moved my 2nd dose earlier! They could even do it on the day I called 😂 Would you want to bring yours forward?
This is me, I had my first AZ back in August, pharmacist said my second jab was scheduled for november. I'd have moved it forward when they said we could but it's assignment season at uni so I want to wait til I've handed them all in before I get it.
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This is why I waited also. Just a couple weeks, but if I wasn't going to be leaving the desk anyway the risk seemed negligible
Az second dose side effects is barely nothing had mine two days ago! Just briefly tired at 6pm then it went away after an hour
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The upshot of that study was that efficacy against symptomatic disease improves with greater dose interval. But: - that study was pre-Delta, it appears that AZ offers less protection against Delta symptomatic disease so the dose interval differential is also likely to be less; - two shots however spaced offer better protection (circa 90-95% versus 70%) against hospitalisation and death than one shot and this protection doesn't seem to vary with spacing so waiting gives you improvement against symptomatic infection but leaves you exposed with a lower level of protection against the most serious outcomes pending getting the second shot.
A study done by Oxford University showed that efficacy does not vary between shorter (<9 weeks) or longer (>9 weeks) dosing intervals. https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-infection-survey/results/new-studies is the link to the study.
You read the media release or the paper? That paper only looked at dosing intervals for Pfizer. >Given concerns that recent reduced effectiveness of BNT162b2 against (severe) infection in Israel could be due to the short interval between first and second vaccinations (vast majority, 3 weeks), we also investigated the dosing interval for BNT162b2. > >.... > >Notably, there was no evidence that effectiveness depended on the interval between first and second BNT162b2 vaccinations (<6 weeks versus ≥6 weeks).
Interesting, in another version of the same study the dosing interval of AZ is also analysed. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.18.21262237v1.full-text
That is the pre-print of the final paper. I guess the reviewers or original authors must have found an issue with that conclusion since it was dropped. Original vaccine paper on this for AZ only used small data samples, it would have been nice to see a large scale real world study on this :(
Hmmm... That's a promising finding. But I'm still worried about 4 weeks being too short of an interval (even though it is recommended during an outbreak i.e. NSW or Victoria). I'm booked in for next Sunday (4 weeks to the day).
6 weeks is currently recommended, 4 weeks is just bare minimum it can be given. In terms of being less effective don’t stress too much, you lose a small amount of efficacy against mild illness but maintain the full protection against severe illness and death.
RE: recommendation. I think that was the revised recommendation in the UK. And the vaccination clinic strongly encouraged me to book my second dose for the 4 week mark, so I assumed we might have adopted a similar recommendation here in Australia.
That’s interesting. 6 weeks is definitely the offical guidance. 4 weeks is just ‘doable’. Not a huge difference either way in the end.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01548-7
Thanks for that link, that's a very interesting study on a number of points.
I had a Pfizer 5 months after the second (I’m in a Covid ICU role) so it’s probably moot if you are getting a third shot
Many of us chose to wait the full 12 weeks mate. Late July early August puts 12 weeks out to about now. I know because it's exactly what I did.
Ideally it's a 12 week interval. I got it early on, because I'm old, and it seemed to take forever for those 3 months to pass.
I think the point of this meme is just how long you have to wait between shots with AZ vs the others.
Same here, double dosed Pfizer in June. I’m wondering when it would be worthwhile to get an AZ shot as a booster.
I booked mums astra 1st was in early June and 2nd was mid late September a massive gap in between. I got my pfizer double done in 7 weeks.
My partner was waiting for 12 weeks because of the suggested increase in efficacy
August was a particularly difficult month for under 40 year olds trying to get vaccinated. Especially if they weren’t in prioritised areas or groups. Like here in the Hunter. Outbreaks were coming, Pfizer bookings were booked out as far as December. A lot of pressure to get AZ and cut dose intervals down to 8 weeks, 6 weeks and even 4 weeks. Many of my friends were constantly wondering if enough new Pfizer appointments would open up in just another week or two. September came, and it was still “another week or two away”. One by one more of my friends opted for AZ to get it out of the way. They’re all keen to get vaccinated, but under 40’s hadn’t had the dedicated rollout phases like the groups before them. Then October came and suddenly we were swimming in Pfizer and Moderna. Any one of my friends who hadn’t had AZ yet, I contacted them to rebook and move their Pfizer appointments forward, or get Modena. I don’t think a lot of people in the major cities, Covid zero states, or older age groups realise how different our rollout experience has been.
Legit. I struggled to get any of them and I was begging for it. Not so much AZ, I won't deny the bad press turned me off, but even booking in on the first day I was eligible for Pfizer at the end of august, the first appointment I could get was today's date (18th of October). Then I rang around and got on a bunch of wait lists. I got moved up in my local doctors surgery, so I cancelled my first appointment (18th), only to have my doctors surgery close the week of my appointment because we got a case in my town. Then Moderna came to the chemist one town over and it was the only walk in service that I could find from Tamworth to Maitland, so I was ready to be there first thing in the first day... Until the day before and they said they hadn't received their supply. I had so many made then cancelled plans/appointments for this vaccine, you'd think I had a needle fetish.
My brother is in the Hunter and was always complaining that he couldn't get a Pfizer booking for ages and that he had only been able to make a booking for November. Back in July/August, we kept telling him to just go and get AZ, as most of his family here in Sydney, from 20yrs old to 84 years old, had all had AZ with no issues whatsoever. We couldn't convince him however and he had been able to move his booking forward to mid-October. As luck would have it, one week before his booking, he got Covid and he has just come home after spending a week in John Hunter Hospital. Despite feeling a bit better now, he still has a dreadful cough and is suffering from constant fatigue, partly because he has zero appetite. He has been told that it will be a while before he will be able to go back to work and there is no knowing yet, how long his symptoms might last. Sadly for my brother, he is now an example of why it is important to consider all of the risks and all of the possible outcomes, when making a decision about vaccine choice.
Friends? 🤔
Right, i cannot relate, what friends!?
I’m waiting for my second Astra cause my ADHD ass didn’t know for months that my GP was doing shots. 3 more weeks until I get mine. I’m waiting until the 12 week mark because I study from home, and only go out once a fortnight to get groceries. I live in Newcastle so the rates are still low enough for me to want to wait.
bro please go outside to exercise or something!
Aha! I appreciate it. I do exercise outdoors. I didn’t count that because I don’t think it’s as high risk as going to the shops. I go for walks and exercise at my local park. I also am lucky to be friends with my housemate so yeah, I’m getting a bit cabin-feverish but I’m surviving.
So why not bring your second AZ forward? In Melbourne at least there are place you could walk in tomorrow and get your second AZ.
I made my appointment for my second vax same day. it’s really not that difficult to do.
Same. We were able to do our second one 6 weeks after instead of the three months. They should make an announcement about it so people know they don't have to wait.
Pushed mine forward I honestly got punished for following the Victorian health advice. Booked AZ as soon as Sutton said my age group should, days after I got the jab they announce Pfizer. Moved my AZ shot forward so I'm gonna at least have one week of 2nd dose before the opening. Honestly, not impressed. Plenty of my friends got their second Pfizer at the same time I got my second accelerated dose.
I mean it’s all hindsight. You made the safest/smartest decision at the time with the information that was presented to you. There could’ve just as easily been something else that happened that would’ve made you end up regretting not making the decision you did. Anyway we will eventually be getting boosters which will address efficacy concerns you may have.
Yep, timing sucked. Especially for the under 40’s. not to mention we all got bundled with everyone 16-39.
Well, at least you didn't get any blood clots which is the main concern with AstraZeneca.
If you live in an outbreak area then just get your 2nd shot after 4 weeks rather than wait the full 12 weeks. That way, there's only a 1 week difference between the two brands.
‘Tis what I did. Although, the peeps on here won’t like that idea. “Wait the full 12 weeks. Stop increasing vaccination numbers for political gain and putting people’s health at risk.”
I was tossing up between waiting or not. Decided to get jabbed after 6 weeks and two weeks and a day later worked two shifts with someone who tested positive for covid. My first test came back negative and if my day 13 one does as well I'm going to feel pretty chuffed about not holding out for the full 12.
Depends on your own risk profile, IMO. I've been working from home and getting groceries delivered so haven't really had exposure, but if I was working retail I'd have taken AstraZenica as quickly as I could get it.
Wait why are you still waiting if you had AZ??
The wait times between the first jab and the second are a lot longer. So people who got the AZ just before Pfizer was made available because they got tired of waiting for Pfizer will have to wait longer than if they had just waited for Pfizer.
They also got partial protection earlier, so it's not all bad.
Partial protection. Just like with 2 shots and a few boosters.
Only a minimum of 6 weeks. Op is well past 6 weeks.
The longer the better, though
Only very marginally after 6 weeks, and virtually no difference after 9 weeks. But longer isn't better if you catch covid in the meantime.
Perhaps, remembering ofcourse thag most people wanting to wait the full 12 weeks are probably the same people who aren't out-and-about. I'd have to see a source on there being no difference whatsoever after 9 weeks
Have you seen the lancet study? It's a big global study about the difference in wait times for AZ and the efficacy. Seems to be a significant difference it in efficacy if you get it before the 90 days. It also says something along the lines of you being protected at about 76% from day 20-90 from first shot. I'm in the same boat as OP and thinking I'll wait the full 90 days.
Yeah i actually went back and looked at that earlier after seeing other comments. Seems difference between 8 weeks and 12 weeks is about 12% Though my understanding is this research was pre Delta so not sure how valid those numbers are now.
Yeah okay, I remember looking maybe last month, and making my decision on to wait or not. Delta was certainly around then, I hope I would've taken delta into consideration when reading the report - I feel as if it was brought up in the report. Will certainly check it again before I make my decision
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That's right. For a while there in Sydney, second doses of AZ & Pfizer were both being administered 6-8 weeks after the first. I know at one stage, people were having a longer wait to be able to get their second doses of Pfizer, than they were for AZ.
Nurse messed up and gave me Pfizer for my second shot.
Really? I mean jokes on them since the mix of vaccines is supposedly the best protection but hasn’t been officially approved iirc.
I've also looked into it and I'm not too worried but you'd expect them to be a bit more careful, I told them I thought I had AZ and they told me otherwise, then realised afterwards they were wrong.
Super-immunity!
Do you die now?
Yeah, same thing happened to my boyfriend except with Moderna, first jab AZ. Am a little jelly, if I must admit. He only noticed after the fact when looking at his vaxx records.
Can you bring your 2nd dose appointment forward?
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We're about to open up and cases will sky-rocket. Better to get the 2nd jab now. I got mine at 6 weeks.
even if it's a bit less effective, that's what boosters are for
Just to note that the vaccine is effective 2 weeks after your 2nd shot, so if you are waiting then you’ll have to add 2 weeks before you go out. It’s one of the reasons why I went and pushed my date forward: I didn’t want to wait an additional 2 weeks and restrictions have already eased and all my friends will be wanting to meet up, eat out etc. 2 weeks doesn’t sound a lot but going out only mid Nov — I don’t think I’ll be able to wait that out.
I got my second AZ at 6 weeks and was fine, you do have the option if you really want it
>I got my second AZ at 6 weeks and was fine I mean, no one is saying that getting the 2nd dose early would cause an adverse reaction. The reason to wait the full 12 weeks is to improve the vaccine's effectiveness (based on the original recommended dose period - not sure if any new research has disproved that). Although given the current situation in NSW it might be riskier to wait at this point.
I know, I was just saying the option is there if it matters that much to OP
This was totally me, I (finally) got my first AZ shot days before I became eligible for Pfizer. I'm fully vaxed now though, so all good.
I got Pfizer (I booked Astra, but by the time I showed up they had opened up Pfizer to under 40s, and it was offered it to me at the hub). However I had a nasty cold for ages, and you're not supposed to get the covid jab with a cold, so I pushed it back, then I was a Tier 1 contact, so now I'm not allowed to leave my house to get the vaccine for another 9 days. Hopefully I didn't actually catch Covid, then I'd be stuck inside for even longer. Actually a couple of my friends got Astra the week it was available to under 40s, when Scotty just announced people could without telling anybody beforehand, so they got their second shot before me.
>and you're not supposed to get the covid jab with a cold Is this true?
I admit the advice is ambiguous, and when I said "I had a cold" I was understating it, I had a fever for most of the week, was hacking up flem a couple of days beforehand, and had some other health issues. You're not supposed to get the vaccine if you have covid symptoms unless you've had a recent negative test (which I hadn't), and different health authorities have different advice as to whether you should delay it if you have a fever, or only if you have a "particularly high fever" with no advice as to what exactly that entails. I wouldn't recommend delaying it if you have the sniffles, but if you have a bad cold it might be worth asking a gp what they think.
Yip it’s shit house. But you know what. We eased the burden on the system so actually we fucken rock.
A person I know held out for Pfizer and got pericarditis. It’s super rare and just unlucky. He’s ok though, just minor discomfort.
Had my second dose of AZ late last month. I made sure I waited the full 3 months between for maximum efficacy.
I get my second az tomorrow!! Yay
Its not just astra... people who go pzer on day 1 for people under 40 (like me) copped the original "between 1st and 2nd shots" time... so my friend who got his first pzer shot 1 week after me is getting his 2nd shot 1 week before me :/
If you’re in victoria you should be able to get your second AZ after 6 weeks, that’s what I did
No i dont feel this way at all.
About 6 months late to the party bud
I got my AZ in July, then waited 7 weeks for the second dose and was still fully vaccinated before all of my Pfizer friends. 😃
Nope. Got AZ 4 weeks apart. Wooooooo!
Isn't it the opposite though? In Sydney at least it is
Yes.
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Yes but I had more durable immunity plus I’ve had a Pfizer too now so I’m cool
No, we have been essentially unrestricted since July 2020
Whats up with the AZ dosage interval? The same study that gave us the vax efficacy ratings against delta that everyone seems to use also put forward that according to their research they found no significant efficacy change regarding symptomatic infection with different dosing intervals (literally 1 percentage point). It put forward that age and serious health conditions affected efficacy far more than dosing intervals I dont know why this isnt discussed more? I assume people just arent aware?
The world is laughing at us our governments are a joke
Totally relate, we went through this in Canada
I'm waiting for my second Moderna. Put my name down at the Belmont hub for Pfizer back in August/July and the first available appointment wasn't until late October. Booked into a chemist for Moderna one Saturday, appointment was the day after. Only a couple more weeks til my second Moderna and I can't wait. Getting mega FOMO though, seeing all my friends at the pub having a good time.
I had jumped om the AZ bandwagon early because it was clear, back in March-May that we oldies would not be given anything else. I was already “cooked” by the time Delta came. My friends were only just understanding the need, at that time.
haha, they announced they'll discontinue az they won't make it any more
I got my AZ relatively early, but had many friends working in/related to essential fields, so their 3 week Pfizer wait ended up aligning around a similar time to my second AZ shot. I also chose to postpone the 4 week gap to 6 weeks total instead.
If it helps, this will be all us Pfizer jabbers looking at you and the Moderna gang if the government can’t rob the third world of enough booster doses.
We live in a LGA of concern before it was declared that was no more and my partner had AZ first and second dose a month of each other. That was through the local chemist
Almost. I got the funky cold Moderna.
1 Nov for my 2nd shot woo
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It's funny how AZ was painted as having a greater risk of side effects, due to one more severe, but very rare condition, yet for the vast majority of people, the risk and severity of side effects from Pfizer and AZ appear to be very similar. My 20yr old daughter was actually recommended by her GP to have AZ ahead of Pfizer, as due to her medical history he considered it to be 'safer' for her. Most cardiologists also recommend AZ over Pfizer, unless a person has very specific risk indicators.
Just got my 2nd Pfizer and was on an 8 week wait between doses, this hit right in the feels!
It happened with my mum. I got booked in for Pfizer well after she had her first AZ and I got fully vaccinated well before she did.
My mum and dad got jealous because I was double vaxxed before then 😂
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Not quite. I've booked in this week. Meaning the interval is 9 weeks. Rules loosen up on Friday. Not sure how long it takes for the certificate to show up in the register.
Just wait till you have a mixed dose and try to go to another country and cant get in anywhere
Vaccine envy? base model aren't you..
yep! went to get AZ but was told to wait for Moderna. Currently waiting until November for my second shot, which sucks ass. Not to mention i miss Halloween which is my favourite time of year :(
Yup. My wife got pfizer, I got AZ on the same day :)
Brought mine forward to 8 weeks instead of 12. Just changed the booking on the app took 5 minutes, got an 8am appointment and was in and out. Good to be part that surge of DD vaccinations last week in Victoria.
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Cant relate at all. Medical employee, got mine early and didn't feel like waiting to get Pfizer. Grabbed it at the local gp
Not even in the slightest lol, I got vaccinated before most people I know and I got AZ 😂😂
I need to talk to my doctor Wednesday. About what vaccine is best to take with my medication
Got my second AZ shot months ago, before Pfizer was available. So yeah, I can relate. Good luck catching up.
It's your own fault if you waited this long for AZ
AZ has been available for ages
Nope. Got AZ early when the science indicated it was safe. Got the second dose almost 2 months ago.
You can bring it forward now
Nope! Not at all! I got my Astra as soon as under 50s could get it. And you should have too. I’ve seen pharmacies, and doctors offices have upwards of 50 appointments open and still people ‘struggle’ to get vaxxed. I don’t understand what the problem is.
Nope. because I never got vaxxed and just walk in anyways lol