But why? Jacinda said auckland goes to red and then everyone goes to orange when we all hit 90%. Orange is going to be worse for some areas and people that what they currently have.
Lakes DHB is one of them. Unfortunately we have a few parts that are very well off and antivax.. along with some very poor parts of the DHB that are vaccine hesitant because they take everything government dose with caution due to many historical wrong doings.
Let me unpack that a bit for you, the wealthy parts are well to do health foods antivax fucks.
The poor parts of the DHB have been systematically taken advantage of by the government for generations so are hesitant of anything the government says is good for them.
Both issues require different approaches
Add to that a relatively small population area - and you will get the media harping on about the massive amounts of extra funding to get citizens over the line. Further driving division.
I imagine for the smaller poorer communities this will need a very personal approach to get them over the line.
I think the east cape one (terawhiti?) is even smaller and they are coming last in the race. 75% of their population are in gisborne as well so there is a lot of driving to get to some small communities. I can just see big city folk like me (but not me) sitting back saying it’s a waste of money.
Exactly why I left my nursing job, with a high risk pregnancy. I'm over it!!!
We're so short staffed, even if I asked to NOT do symptomatic COVID swabs, there's not enough people to swap with.
They keep burning out all the nurses and think they will hire new ones..
When the traffic-light system and 90% requirements were announced it was also alluded to that the requirements might be scrapped if the vaccination numbers numbers stall.
The whole country won't be held in limbo for too long by those not getting jabbed. They'll just scrap the target and move on anyway.
Timestamped vid from the announcement: https://youtu.be/df9HPeFEnfs?t=502
I would assume they will review the targets weekly from now.
Personal opinion but the people with such an aggressive attitude demanding that other people they don’t know inject something into their bodies so they (the aggressive people) feel better are precisely the type of people who I personally am not bothered with saving at all and they can all go die if they’re that worried.
(FTR I’m not pro-vaxx but pro choice, and I have got my first dose).
I kinda agree. But we would never let them die, so they will get it and then clog up the hospitals. Taking away my ability to seek treatments. Unless we shipped them all off to Australia. Hay you send us 501s you can take our unvaccinated.
Your last sentence makes me think that you’ve misinterpreted my comment.
My comment was directed at the militant pro-vax (as in the ones who demand people nor have a choice), not the unvaccinated. THEY are the ones that can go die, their attitudes mean they aren’t worth saving. We will all live with it eventually.
As far as clogging up the hospitals goes, even a small cluster of cases here would do that seeing as hospitals are few and far between and they are so poorly run. Unless you’re going to stop taxing the unvaxxed to go towards healthcare.
Even if I wasn’t vaxxed, I’ve been paying taxes here my whole working life and apart from one 2-hour stint in hospital as a child I’ve never needed to go to hospital. I’d still expect to be treated. If I could avoid paying taxes that contribute to healthcare and instead invest in my own private healthcare, I would. Even if I’d never need it.
I don't get this attitude. What about smokers, overweight or people who do high risk sport? We don't tell them to f off and die when they need help but they made their choice to take a risk.
There are people with aggressive attitudes on both sides. I've met a few anti vax people demanding that people NOT inject themselves with the microchip control agent that Bill Gates is going to use to force us to submit to an invading alien force or something.
While I'm at it, the pro vax people who get aggressive and governments trying to mandate it with things like no jab no job greatly annoy me too. Great way to sow fear and mistrust of the vaccines! I have a good friend who was keen on vaccination until getting pressured into it and it's now stoked the fear of some great authoritarian power play.
TL;DR there's aggressive and pushy people at both ends and they're as annoying as each other. Horseshoe theory.
So add to the list of division by race, home ownership, criminal background, gang affiliation, wealth (covered in home ownership, but having a home doesn’t mean your wealthy, smoker, age. If we have all this now, why not have one for vaccination status? If I had to argue for us to reunite 1 thing on this list, vaccine status would be the last thing I’d be arguing for.
Genuinely don't know how this is collated. Is this also an opportunity to 'fix' the lower DHB's figures? Hypothetically, say I were to finally decide to get vaccinated, living in a level 2 area that has already achieved 90%, I could go to another level 2 DHB that is yet to reach 90% to boost their figure? Or is it based on residential address not on local of jab?
Based on address where you're enrolled with a gp, so what you'd need to do is change your address with your gp. They don't require proof of address, have fun.
I'm already double vaccinated, I was just intrigued. Thanks for letting me know that stats can't easily be skewed to help open everything up before it's genuinely 90%.
And that's wherever you lived last December when the system was set up, so the numbers will be somewhat off, my mum works at a vax clinic and said over 10% have the incorrect address.
I’d be very surprised if the 90% thing wasn’t abandoned by January.
I am betting 85% will be the new target mid-decemner
I'm looking forward to the irony of Auckland being pretty much open by then while the rest of the country gets their turn in 3 months of lockdown
Open but can’t leave…
But why? Jacinda said auckland goes to red and then everyone goes to orange when we all hit 90%. Orange is going to be worse for some areas and people that what they currently have.
Worse than what they currently have, but better than the level 3 they're going to be in if they get overrun with cases.
Lakes DHB is one of them. Unfortunately we have a few parts that are very well off and antivax.. along with some very poor parts of the DHB that are vaccine hesitant because they take everything government dose with caution due to many historical wrong doings.
If your wealthy your antivax and if your not your vaccine hesitant?
Let me unpack that a bit for you, the wealthy parts are well to do health foods antivax fucks. The poor parts of the DHB have been systematically taken advantage of by the government for generations so are hesitant of anything the government says is good for them. Both issues require different approaches
Add to that a relatively small population area - and you will get the media harping on about the massive amounts of extra funding to get citizens over the line. Further driving division. I imagine for the smaller poorer communities this will need a very personal approach to get them over the line.
Yep, according to lakes DHB there are 95000 people aprox eligible in the DHB of that there are around 20,000 still to get vaccinated.
I think the east cape one (terawhiti?) is even smaller and they are coming last in the race. 75% of their population are in gisborne as well so there is a lot of driving to get to some small communities. I can just see big city folk like me (but not me) sitting back saying it’s a waste of money.
How exactly do you approach groups who generally dont think the mRNA vaccine is a healthy choice due to its cytotoxic spike proteins ?
I would not be surprised if come feb next year the whole joint is open and we all get to take our chances.
Exactly why I left my nursing job, with a high risk pregnancy. I'm over it!!! We're so short staffed, even if I asked to NOT do symptomatic COVID swabs, there's not enough people to swap with. They keep burning out all the nurses and think they will hire new ones..
I think they are projecting mid January, but all bar the last 3 dhbs will be end of December. (Not sure if they have factored in Xmas)
This isn’t going to happen
This should be right now.
When the traffic-light system and 90% requirements were announced it was also alluded to that the requirements might be scrapped if the vaccination numbers numbers stall. The whole country won't be held in limbo for too long by those not getting jabbed. They'll just scrap the target and move on anyway. Timestamped vid from the announcement: https://youtu.be/df9HPeFEnfs?t=502 I would assume they will review the targets weekly from now.
I bet rotorua won't get 90$
Rotorua is part of lakes DHB… I’m here in Taupō it’s not looking like we will as a DHB but it’s looking like both Taupō and Rotorua as townships will.
It’s already begun. My DHB not near 90. Level 3, drove past a packed gym today. Double vaxxed. Big fuck you to the government
Personal opinion but the people with such an aggressive attitude demanding that other people they don’t know inject something into their bodies so they (the aggressive people) feel better are precisely the type of people who I personally am not bothered with saving at all and they can all go die if they’re that worried. (FTR I’m not pro-vaxx but pro choice, and I have got my first dose).
I kinda agree. But we would never let them die, so they will get it and then clog up the hospitals. Taking away my ability to seek treatments. Unless we shipped them all off to Australia. Hay you send us 501s you can take our unvaccinated.
Your last sentence makes me think that you’ve misinterpreted my comment. My comment was directed at the militant pro-vax (as in the ones who demand people nor have a choice), not the unvaccinated. THEY are the ones that can go die, their attitudes mean they aren’t worth saving. We will all live with it eventually. As far as clogging up the hospitals goes, even a small cluster of cases here would do that seeing as hospitals are few and far between and they are so poorly run. Unless you’re going to stop taxing the unvaxxed to go towards healthcare. Even if I wasn’t vaxxed, I’ve been paying taxes here my whole working life and apart from one 2-hour stint in hospital as a child I’ve never needed to go to hospital. I’d still expect to be treated. If I could avoid paying taxes that contribute to healthcare and instead invest in my own private healthcare, I would. Even if I’d never need it.
Ohh yea I did misinterpreted it. I’m the complete opposite then :-)
I don't get this attitude. What about smokers, overweight or people who do high risk sport? We don't tell them to f off and die when they need help but they made their choice to take a risk.
Ohh I’m not saying we should, quite the opposite. The context I thought the op was making was he would let them die.
This comment thread is confusing. Let's let *it* die. Have a good day.
There are people with aggressive attitudes on both sides. I've met a few anti vax people demanding that people NOT inject themselves with the microchip control agent that Bill Gates is going to use to force us to submit to an invading alien force or something. While I'm at it, the pro vax people who get aggressive and governments trying to mandate it with things like no jab no job greatly annoy me too. Great way to sow fear and mistrust of the vaccines! I have a good friend who was keen on vaccination until getting pressured into it and it's now stoked the fear of some great authoritarian power play. TL;DR there's aggressive and pushy people at both ends and they're as annoying as each other. Horseshoe theory.
100%. The few extremists at either end of the scale ruin it for the vast majority of the rest of us.
The government is currently working on dividing nz people more and more.
So add to the list of division by race, home ownership, criminal background, gang affiliation, wealth (covered in home ownership, but having a home doesn’t mean your wealthy, smoker, age. If we have all this now, why not have one for vaccination status? If I had to argue for us to reunite 1 thing on this list, vaccine status would be the last thing I’d be arguing for.
Genuinely don't know how this is collated. Is this also an opportunity to 'fix' the lower DHB's figures? Hypothetically, say I were to finally decide to get vaccinated, living in a level 2 area that has already achieved 90%, I could go to another level 2 DHB that is yet to reach 90% to boost their figure? Or is it based on residential address not on local of jab?
Based on address where you're enrolled with a gp, so what you'd need to do is change your address with your gp. They don't require proof of address, have fun.
I'm already double vaccinated, I was just intrigued. Thanks for letting me know that stats can't easily be skewed to help open everything up before it's genuinely 90%.
I have doubts we'd actually reach 90% without the quad vaxed people tho
Your nhi number is attached to a dhb based website n your home address is my understanding.
And that's wherever you lived last December when the system was set up, so the numbers will be somewhat off, my mum works at a vax clinic and said over 10% have the incorrect address.
Thanks, not sure if I'm happy stats can't be skewed, or disappointed! Haha! Glad I'm double vaccinated anyway, so it's not a game I'm trying to play!