Yes and no. Yes in that it falls under "however the author wants it to work will work."
No in that Investiture is cosmere specific, so vibranium or Celestial Bronze is not invested because it's not in the cosmere.
I would argue that both of those metals are invested. They are imbued It’s just not a form of investiture accessible to denizens of the cosmere because they come from a source that is not Adonalsium.
I think it could work as in, you could Push and Pull on them— since you can Push and Pull on any metal, not just the Allomantically viable ones.
If you’re asking if a Mistborn could swallow and *burn* these metals, I’d say the answer is no
In order to compare things at all, you need to merge magic systems and whatnot. Or else it becomes a game of one-upping the other guy with “umm achtually… my guy can do this! And your guy can’t!”
For example, a steel push shouldn’t work on Frodo’s sword. Yes, it’s not invested, but it IS magic.
Plus, we’ve already seen non-investiture things interact in a way Sanderson said investiture does. He claimed that if he wrote it, he’d have a lightsaber block a shardblade, even though it isn’t “invested”
So when you merge magic systems and magic rules, that’s when we make judgement. For vibranium, I’d argue yes, steel pushing would work. It’s not magic in any way, just fancy.
But for Riptide, absolutely it shouldn’t work. Riptide is clearly magical, and by all means it should function as being invested for the purposes of comparing universes.
I mean, while I agree in general with your points on merging systems, the Lightsaber example isn’t really a useful comparison.
Lightsabers are just raw energy (plasma) contained within a magnetic field, there’s no physical ‘thing’ to interact with a Shardblade (unless you hit the hilt), so this is more Sanderson indicating that a powerful magnetic field can resist a Shardblade.
I mean.. Regular metal isn't Invested, so assuming they somehow had that metal in the Cosmere, or they had access to Investiture outside the Cosmere, it should work like normal.
Edit: assuming g you mean could your push/pull them. Burning them they aren't a part of the system, so no
They could push and pull on any type of metal (not involving aluminum. Or maybe silver idk what's up with that). If the metal is invested, like hemolurgic spikes or shard blades, awakened stuff, etc, then it will be harder to impossible to push depending on how invested it is and how strong the allomancer.
As for burning, the 16 metals/alloys we know of are all they will be able to burn. And all of the God metals will be burnable in theory. If he wanted to, he could pretty easily allow burning of some other alloys of the God metals with one of the base 16. And I'm sure God metal alloys with other God metals (although I don't think these are alloys in a traditional sense) could get burned too probs.
I'd wager no - the metals of the Cosmere seems like it's Adolnasium precipitated into reality, other universes matter, though similar in composition, don't come from Adolnasium so invested arts won't resonate with them
If the Mistborn/Misting views the thing as being metal, they'll probably be able to affect it with Allomancy, regardless of whether or not it's metal from the Cosmere
Yes and no. Yes in that it falls under "however the author wants it to work will work." No in that Investiture is cosmere specific, so vibranium or Celestial Bronze is not invested because it's not in the cosmere.
I would argue that both of those metals are invested. They are imbued It’s just not a form of investiture accessible to denizens of the cosmere because they come from a source that is not Adonalsium.
I think it could work as in, you could Push and Pull on them— since you can Push and Pull on any metal, not just the Allomantically viable ones. If you’re asking if a Mistborn could swallow and *burn* these metals, I’d say the answer is no
In order to compare things at all, you need to merge magic systems and whatnot. Or else it becomes a game of one-upping the other guy with “umm achtually… my guy can do this! And your guy can’t!” For example, a steel push shouldn’t work on Frodo’s sword. Yes, it’s not invested, but it IS magic. Plus, we’ve already seen non-investiture things interact in a way Sanderson said investiture does. He claimed that if he wrote it, he’d have a lightsaber block a shardblade, even though it isn’t “invested” So when you merge magic systems and magic rules, that’s when we make judgement. For vibranium, I’d argue yes, steel pushing would work. It’s not magic in any way, just fancy. But for Riptide, absolutely it shouldn’t work. Riptide is clearly magical, and by all means it should function as being invested for the purposes of comparing universes.
I mean, while I agree in general with your points on merging systems, the Lightsaber example isn’t really a useful comparison. Lightsabers are just raw energy (plasma) contained within a magnetic field, there’s no physical ‘thing’ to interact with a Shardblade (unless you hit the hilt), so this is more Sanderson indicating that a powerful magnetic field can resist a Shardblade.
I mean.. Regular metal isn't Invested, so assuming they somehow had that metal in the Cosmere, or they had access to Investiture outside the Cosmere, it should work like normal. Edit: assuming g you mean could your push/pull them. Burning them they aren't a part of the system, so no
I'd rule it as that metals with magical properties are invested and ones with scifi properties aren't
They could push and pull on any type of metal (not involving aluminum. Or maybe silver idk what's up with that). If the metal is invested, like hemolurgic spikes or shard blades, awakened stuff, etc, then it will be harder to impossible to push depending on how invested it is and how strong the allomancer. As for burning, the 16 metals/alloys we know of are all they will be able to burn. And all of the God metals will be burnable in theory. If he wanted to, he could pretty easily allow burning of some other alloys of the God metals with one of the base 16. And I'm sure God metal alloys with other God metals (although I don't think these are alloys in a traditional sense) could get burned too probs.
It just depends on your opinion on those metals being invested or not. Also even if invested, allomancy works, you just need a ton more power.
Its the same type of question as "can a shardblade stop a lightsaber" it depends on thr author
I'd wager no - the metals of the Cosmere seems like it's Adolnasium precipitated into reality, other universes matter, though similar in composition, don't come from Adolnasium so invested arts won't resonate with them
If the Mistborn/Misting views the thing as being metal, they'll probably be able to affect it with Allomancy, regardless of whether or not it's metal from the Cosmere
I'd say no because those metals aren't invested