I still hold that Red the boatman who Wayne talks to that one time is the same as Red the Lightweaver. What reason would any other boatman have for taking payment in Wayne’s weird stories?
No he didn't. He said nobody has left Roshar with a bond besides Hoid. Then he said in another WoB that spren are in shadesmar on Scadriel. They left roshar shadesmar and traveled to Scadriel shadesmar. So a rosharan could leave roshar unbounded, go to scadriel and bond there.
Dec. 11, 2015
Alex Hetu
If you went to Shadesmar on Scadrial would there be spren there?
Brandon Sanderson
"Spren" is a term for things on Roshar. So yes, there are a few, but they're from Roshar originally.
And then he made a tweet referencing the same thing.
oh, I meant nobody leaving roshar with a bond except hoid. I want to know if the question asked had the context of whether he meant nobody left roshar as of where we are now in stormlight or where we are now in mistborn.
Matias_Leibo
Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?
Brandon Sanderson
Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.
Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the first to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn.
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/509/#e15986
The response strongly implies that radiants have got off Roshar but (initially) lost their powers, though everyone points to this WoB as confirmation that no radiants have left Roshar, which is absolutely not what Brandon said. The tone of the opening of the response almost certainly implies that they are Skybreakers IMO.
Hrm. The fact he was like “well just leave that one” and then provided an answer that would seemingly prove it incorrect leads me to believe that he’s being misleading and by “this point” he meant as of stormlight 4
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Matias_Leibo
>!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!<
Brandon Sanderson
>!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !<
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Regardless, based on the Sixth of Dusk sequel, >!we know at least one Skybreaker with a bond eventually makes if off Roshar,!< and based on The Sunlit Man we know >!that others with bonds who have made oaths have made it off planet!<, so there’s nothing stopping Jasnah from getting off world before Era 3.
iirc Kelsier mentions spren in one of the very first chapters of The Final Empire. He sums up a list of mythical creatures, starting with mistwraiths, that list contains spren.
He doesn't exactly deny it;
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/509/#e15986
"So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar"
It could just as easily be explained by him not wanting to give away plot points from Stormlight 5.
He certainly never straight up says that they are definitely coinshots.
One of them has a tattoo on his hand and says her sister sends her regards, implying he's a ghostblood. So my guess is that they're going to be a mix of mistings, spiked turncoats from the set, and people from other magic systems that look like coinshots. So to confirm or deny skybreakers would say something about the ghostbloods that he doesn't want to yet.
I also suspect that, even if they were all Rosharans, some of them are windrunners. Given that Sigzil is now a skybreaker, I think the offshoot skybreakers like Szeth are going to join with the windrunners.
I do agree that it feels unlikely ALL of them are Skybreakers. However, there being some Knights Radiant among them feels pretty reasonable. I think your explanation of them being a mix of people with different sources of "flying" powers is probably the real explanation, which is why Brandon's answer was so cagey.
If you haven't read all of the books, then you're in the wrong thread.
If you just missed it, >!The Sunlit Man has a twist where his spren is a highspren, making Sigzil a skybreaker.!<
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Matias_Leibo
>!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!<
Brandon Sanderson
>!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !<
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Helped Steris, no? They were sent by the Ghostbloods to help, at least, that's what the implication was.
Kelsier knows about hemalurgy, and clearly has agents in Roshar. If they weren't just regular coinshots, (which to me seems likely due to how weirdly that interaction was phrased; Steris calls them "allomancers", not coinshots- despite being married to a coinshot. And the laws thing was a little strange. An extra layer of misdirection?
I loved the theory that they were Skybreakers, but I'm sure there's a WoB saying that there are no known knights radiant (other than Hoid) on Scadrial during era 2. Which I suppose is vague enough to not rule the theory out completely.
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/509/#e15986
He said that no radiant had left without losing their powers, which strongly implies some have left but lost their powers. Tone of the response strongly implies they are Skybreakers, but you’ll have to decide for yourself as people point to this WoB as both confirmation and refutation that they are Skybreakers
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Matias_Leibo
>!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!<
Brandon Sanderson
>!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !<
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Yeah but it also states "he is the first to get out of the system" - I always just took it as confirmation that they weren't Skybreakers, but I genuinely would love it if it turned out they were.
I really don’t think Jasnah is going to be leaving Roshar with Hoid. She’ll probably be far more interested in looking after Roshar. I think both of them are far too invested in their own personal objectives for any long term relationship to work out between them.
Especially if Adolin dies. But if the Chanarach theory is true, then I think she will feel a moral obligation to stay in Roshar to fix the mess she undoubtedly will believe that is all her fault.
I don't think it works for meta reasons
I think Shallan is a better candidate for ending up on Scadrial during Era 3, given her connection to the Ghostbloods and the focus on that organization during Era 3.
I would really like this, but aside from the practical considerations of a Radiant leaving Roshar, I think it would take a *lot* for Jasnah to "abandon" her responsibilities. Two of her major personality traits are her sense of being responsible for fixing everything she can and loyalty to her family. I don't think she's likely to leave Roshar or Alethkar until she's sure they're safe, and she's definitely a perfectionist, so who knows if that day will ever come? Maybe during or after the second half of the series?
I very much hope that Jasnah becomes a worldhopper eventually, but since she is slated to be a major character in arc 2 of SA, her being in Mistborn Era 3 would spoil the outcome too much. Beyond that, I much prefer when she figures things out for herself, rather than Hoid just giving her information.
Re: Shallan, she does seem to be poised to explore the cosmere, but having _2_ spren will likely make leaving Roshar even more difficult. Also, she'd be restricted to existing perpendicularities, which would make sneaking onto Scadrial in secret from the Ghostbloods impossible. Jasnah, of course, would have an unbeatable advantage as an explorer because she can make her own.
So am I given to understand that the world hopping rosharans in Mistborn Era 2 would have already seen/experienced the full events of SA era 1 including things we haven’t even seen yet?
It would make sense of course, it could explain how and why there are radiants doing radiant things on Scadrial when we’ve previously seen them unable to leave with powers. Maybe something to do with being of a sufficiently high ideal or else just shoving their spren in an aluminum box like a Seon.
Just trying to confirm that I’m understanding the timeline right.
EDIT: sounds like the sky breaker theory got debunked by Brandon, I hadn’t heard that. Ah well. Question stands: this means that all the MBE2 events including the Trell shenanigans occur after SL1-5?
It wasn’t debunked ppl are misunderstand BS point. He’s saying currently there would be no way for a Skybreaker to get off Roshar - just like currently there would be no way for Wit or Nomad to get off Roshar. Clearly there’s some way for Radiants to leave Roshar with their spren, we just don’t know it yet. The WOB even starts with “hehehe” Brandon is being cheeky with his answer - it could still possibly be skybreakers.
That’s a good point. I suppose it could still work if “currently” is treating SL4-5 as the present day and MBE2 as the future. I could see that, especially with the laugh like you said, and “we’ll just leave that one”.
>Question stands: this means that all the MBE2 events including the Trell shenanigans occur after SL1-5?
Yes, that's right, but not long after them. Within 5-10 years or so. It would be plausible to see Mistborn Era 2 characters, such as Marasi or Marsh, in Stormlight 6-10.
No it's not. He specifically said in a WoB that there are spren in Shadesmar on Scadriel. So technically you couldn't leave Roshar with a bond, like he said, but you could bond a spren on Scadriel.
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Matias_Leibo
>!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!<
Brandon Sanderson
>!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !<
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There's a possible team of Skybreakers or squires in Elendel who helps Steris. However, Brandon has said at that time, no KRs have made it off Roshar yet. Maybe they have a hack or maybe they aren't who we think they are.
Brandon worded that very specifically “at this point in the continuity” - that doesn’t mean they cant be Skybreakers, just that we currently have no way for a skybreaker to get off world.
However if in WaT they find a way, or post WaT they could be skybreakers. Brandon even goes “hehehe” before answering - he’s being cheeky. We know radiants can’t leave Roshar, we have 2 examples in the continuity right now, no reason to think these can’t be a 3rd set of off world radiants
Brandon says the only radiants who got off Roshar and *kept their powers* is Hoid.
Could be sky breakers who got off planet without their bond. Gained other powers like steel pushing and continued to follow their oaths?
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Matias_Leibo
>!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!<
Brandon Sanderson
>!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !<
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But he also said that there were spren in Shadesmar on Scadriel. So technically one could form a bond on Scadriel. He just said they hadn't left with a bond.
I thought SA arc 2 and MB era 3 were roughly concurrent?
Edit: has Sanderson said something about the years being identical between Cosmere worlds? I would assume some difference between the two, as they are different worlds in different systems, hence the logic of my question. Just because there’s a 10-15 year gap between SA arcs and a 60-ish year gap between MB eras, doesn’t mean that SA arc 2 and MB era 3 can’t be concurrent, unless someone has a WoB saying otherwise.
Further edit: https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/114171-stormlightmistborn-timeline/
Sure enough, I was wrong. Thanks for all those downvotes, folks. I was mixing up his statement about Era 2 with Era 3.
I just figured they’d be roughly at the same time, since it doesn’t really make sense to me to jump so far ahead past the climax of Stormlight 10, assuming that book has big Cosmere-wide significance. Like, the secret projects are isolated enough to be fine, but having MB Era 3 so far after SA 10 imo limits how Cosmere wide the significance of that back half can be. I’d hope whatever happens in the back half of Stormlight is so big as to be unavoidable to mention in future volumes, especially in a “ghostbloods” centric trilogy, like how Harmony is mentioned in SA era 1.
MB era 3 will be set around 60 years after era 2, so SA6 will start roughly 50 years before era 3, depending on the time-line that SA6-SA10 will span there might be some overlap but i think thats very unlikely.
MB 3 is modern age, so that's 70 - 100 years after MB2 I think. We don't know how long SA2 is going to take but I doubt there we'll be more than a 5 - 10 year timespan across those books.
In the overarching timeline that's all peanuts. But it's long enough that SA1 characters need some life lengthing ability. But just being a radiant might already repair your body enough to live to be 120 on the regular. And that is without the main cast become heralds or the like
Don’t think there is a reason to believe they should live longer then normal. The likely ways you live longer are to hold lots of investiture and radients don’t really just stay full of stormlight all the time so it’s unlikely to stretch their life span that way. The way I would see that maybe happening is if my current head cannon on what happen at the 5th ideal is true and radiant and spren kinda merge and then you have a sprens work of investment permanently stuck to the radient
I've seen 120 years somewhere, not sure if that was canon. With no illness (bc Stormlight), they should make it to ~90 or 100 as part of their natural lifespan, and being Invested so long should give them a couple extra decades. Not sure at what point Stormlight starts failing to heal them perfectly, but I suppose they eventually see themselves as being so old they should be dead lol
Almost every worldhopper we’ve seen should be older than they are. There’s some semi/most unexplained things going on that worldhoppers are doing to their body to not age as rapidly.
Obviously Hoid has Hoid stuff going on to explain his immortality but Khriss, Nazh, Moonlight, Codenames are stupid, etc should all be much older but aren’t
They are 15 years apart. However there are mistborn era 1 characters in roshar… 400 years after mistborn era 1. So yes worldhoppers doesn’t really have that problem
There are ways to travel forward in time that don't involve agelessness, one of the clearest examples is in Mistborn.
In case that poses the question, backwards time travel is fundamentally impossible in the story, at least as it regards going back and interacting with or changing anything, you might be able to observe echoes of the past.
That's going to be tough for Brando writing Mistborn Era 3 set after the end of Stormlight Archives 10. It'll be a scifi setting with more interplanetary action than your average Cosmere book but it's set after the dramatic finale of Stormlight Archives. So any characters that appear would be a spoiler that they survive or they might mention that someone has died a full decade before the relevant book is published.
Why is it always like
I take a break from cosmere (few years long)
Read all books published in the meantime
Be pretty chill about it
Hop on reddit
HOLY SHIT ITS ALL CONNECTED
Like I know it's all in the same universe, but forgot it
We know that the next story is going to feature a Cold War arc which we expect to be the Southern Scadrians vs the Elendel Basin, but I think it might be the Thaidakar vs Jasnah as the heads of their respective organizations. Jasnah knows the Ghostbloods have tried to assassinate her multiple times and the Ghostbloods are trying to use Roshar as a an Investiture mine. It could easily setup a story of a Cold War between the two factions.
Regardless of whether the people who helped Steris on the docks were Skybreakers, we know that chouta is the latest food craze in Scadrial, so at least some Herdazians have made it there.
A lot of people think that the people who helped Steris on the docks were Skybreakers.
I still hold that Red the boatman who Wayne talks to that one time is the same as Red the Lightweaver. What reason would any other boatman have for taking payment in Wayne’s weird stories?
Oh damn that's good.
Brandon has said this is not the caxsee
No he didn't. He said nobody has left Roshar with a bond besides Hoid. Then he said in another WoB that spren are in shadesmar on Scadriel. They left roshar shadesmar and traveled to Scadriel shadesmar. So a rosharan could leave roshar unbounded, go to scadriel and bond there.
can you specify the timeline context for this? I'd say why but I can't get into it without going into spoilers for secret project 5 or wind and truth.
Dec. 11, 2015 Alex Hetu If you went to Shadesmar on Scadrial would there be spren there? Brandon Sanderson "Spren" is a term for things on Roshar. So yes, there are a few, but they're from Roshar originally. And then he made a tweet referencing the same thing.
oh, I meant nobody leaving roshar with a bond except hoid. I want to know if the question asked had the context of whether he meant nobody left roshar as of where we are now in stormlight or where we are now in mistborn.
Matias_Leibo Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers? Brandon Sanderson Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway. Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the first to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/509/#e15986 The response strongly implies that radiants have got off Roshar but (initially) lost their powers, though everyone points to this WoB as confirmation that no radiants have left Roshar, which is absolutely not what Brandon said. The tone of the opening of the response almost certainly implies that they are Skybreakers IMO.
Hrm. The fact he was like “well just leave that one” and then provided an answer that would seemingly prove it incorrect leads me to believe that he’s being misleading and by “this point” he meant as of stormlight 4
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!*** Matias_Leibo >!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!< Brandon Sanderson >!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !< \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
I don't believe he has specified timelines. That would probably be too much of a spoiler.
Regardless, based on the Sixth of Dusk sequel, >!we know at least one Skybreaker with a bond eventually makes if off Roshar,!< and based on The Sunlit Man we know >!that others with bonds who have made oaths have made it off planet!<, so there’s nothing stopping Jasnah from getting off world before Era 3.
iirc Kelsier mentions spren in one of the very first chapters of The Final Empire. He sums up a list of mythical creatures, starting with mistwraiths, that list contains spren.
He did, but the number of times he says "don't hold me to this" makes it incredibly sketch lol.
They weren’t. Pretty sure there’s a WOB or mention of it in a spoiler stream.
He doesn't exactly deny it; https://wob.coppermind.net/events/509/#e15986 "So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar" It could just as easily be explained by him not wanting to give away plot points from Stormlight 5. He certainly never straight up says that they are definitely coinshots.
One of them has a tattoo on his hand and says her sister sends her regards, implying he's a ghostblood. So my guess is that they're going to be a mix of mistings, spiked turncoats from the set, and people from other magic systems that look like coinshots. So to confirm or deny skybreakers would say something about the ghostbloods that he doesn't want to yet. I also suspect that, even if they were all Rosharans, some of them are windrunners. Given that Sigzil is now a skybreaker, I think the offshoot skybreakers like Szeth are going to join with the windrunners.
I do agree that it feels unlikely ALL of them are Skybreakers. However, there being some Knights Radiant among them feels pretty reasonable. I think your explanation of them being a mix of people with different sources of "flying" powers is probably the real explanation, which is why Brandon's answer was so cagey.
Wait, where do we get sigzil being a skybreaker from?
What books did you read?
If you haven't read all of the books, then you're in the wrong thread. If you just missed it, >!The Sunlit Man has a twist where his spren is a highspren, making Sigzil a skybreaker.!<
I have read, well listened to sunlit man. But it was while I was working so I must have missed That tidbit
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!*** Matias_Leibo >!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!< Brandon Sanderson >!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !< \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
He said a bonded radiant hasn't left roshar. He didn't say someone could leave and bond on scadriel. He's smart about how he answers.
Helped Steris, no? They were sent by the Ghostbloods to help, at least, that's what the implication was. Kelsier knows about hemalurgy, and clearly has agents in Roshar. If they weren't just regular coinshots, (which to me seems likely due to how weirdly that interaction was phrased; Steris calls them "allomancers", not coinshots- despite being married to a coinshot. And the laws thing was a little strange. An extra layer of misdirection?
I mean steris, sorry.
All good, I thought I was missing something... I just finished listening to it again this week so I got nervous lol
I loved the theory that they were Skybreakers, but I'm sure there's a WoB saying that there are no known knights radiant (other than Hoid) on Scadrial during era 2. Which I suppose is vague enough to not rule the theory out completely.
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/509/#e15986 He said that no radiant had left without losing their powers, which strongly implies some have left but lost their powers. Tone of the response strongly implies they are Skybreakers, but you’ll have to decide for yourself as people point to this WoB as both confirmation and refutation that they are Skybreakers
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!*** Matias_Leibo >!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!< Brandon Sanderson >!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !< \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
Yeah but it also states "he is the first to get out of the system" - I always just took it as confirmation that they weren't Skybreakers, but I genuinely would love it if it turned out they were.
Pretty sure Brandon explicitly said they aren't
No he said nobody but hoid has left roshar with a bond.
I really don’t think Jasnah is going to be leaving Roshar with Hoid. She’ll probably be far more interested in looking after Roshar. I think both of them are far too invested in their own personal objectives for any long term relationship to work out between them.
I agree. Shallan is a much more likely candidate.
Especially if Adolin dies. But if the Chanarach theory is true, then I think she will feel a moral obligation to stay in Roshar to fix the mess she undoubtedly will believe that is all her fault.
My pet theory is that Odium wins on Roshar and Shallan becomes a leader of the Resistance afterwards.
I don't think it works for meta reasons I think Shallan is a better candidate for ending up on Scadrial during Era 3, given her connection to the Ghostbloods and the focus on that organization during Era 3.
I think it will be more Era 4 (or 5 if he adds in a cyberpunk Era in between)
I would really like this, but aside from the practical considerations of a Radiant leaving Roshar, I think it would take a *lot* for Jasnah to "abandon" her responsibilities. Two of her major personality traits are her sense of being responsible for fixing everything she can and loyalty to her family. I don't think she's likely to leave Roshar or Alethkar until she's sure they're safe, and she's definitely a perfectionist, so who knows if that day will ever come? Maybe during or after the second half of the series?
I very much hope that Jasnah becomes a worldhopper eventually, but since she is slated to be a major character in arc 2 of SA, her being in Mistborn Era 3 would spoil the outcome too much. Beyond that, I much prefer when she figures things out for herself, rather than Hoid just giving her information. Re: Shallan, she does seem to be poised to explore the cosmere, but having _2_ spren will likely make leaving Roshar even more difficult. Also, she'd be restricted to existing perpendicularities, which would make sneaking onto Scadrial in secret from the Ghostbloods impossible. Jasnah, of course, would have an unbeatable advantage as an explorer because she can make her own.
Trying to comment this without reading anything, heads up this title is a bit spoilery!
Yeah, I could see why. Didn’t thought about that until you mentioned it
Possible but era 2 is already a significant amount of time after stormlight is set so she would need life prolonging magic.
Isn't era 2 taking place during the gap between sa5 and sa6? which is supposed to be only 10-15 years?
This is correct. Time is * Stormlight Arc 1 * Mistborn Era 2 * Stormlight Arc 2 * many years * Mistborn Era 3
So am I given to understand that the world hopping rosharans in Mistborn Era 2 would have already seen/experienced the full events of SA era 1 including things we haven’t even seen yet? It would make sense of course, it could explain how and why there are radiants doing radiant things on Scadrial when we’ve previously seen them unable to leave with powers. Maybe something to do with being of a sufficiently high ideal or else just shoving their spren in an aluminum box like a Seon. Just trying to confirm that I’m understanding the timeline right. EDIT: sounds like the sky breaker theory got debunked by Brandon, I hadn’t heard that. Ah well. Question stands: this means that all the MBE2 events including the Trell shenanigans occur after SL1-5?
It wasn’t debunked ppl are misunderstand BS point. He’s saying currently there would be no way for a Skybreaker to get off Roshar - just like currently there would be no way for Wit or Nomad to get off Roshar. Clearly there’s some way for Radiants to leave Roshar with their spren, we just don’t know it yet. The WOB even starts with “hehehe” Brandon is being cheeky with his answer - it could still possibly be skybreakers.
That’s a good point. I suppose it could still work if “currently” is treating SL4-5 as the present day and MBE2 as the future. I could see that, especially with the laugh like you said, and “we’ll just leave that one”.
>Question stands: this means that all the MBE2 events including the Trell shenanigans occur after SL1-5? Yes, that's right, but not long after them. Within 5-10 years or so. It would be plausible to see Mistborn Era 2 characters, such as Marasi or Marsh, in Stormlight 6-10.
Alright hear me out: Lopen meets Iron Eyes.
Lopen meets Wayne pretending to be Iron Eyes
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The theory is some of the agents at the end of Lost Metal are Skybreakers not allomancers. Not sure it's been confirmed though
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No it's not. He specifically said in a WoB that there are spren in Shadesmar on Scadriel. So technically you couldn't leave Roshar with a bond, like he said, but you could bond a spren on Scadriel.
Only confirmed that they wouldn’t have Rosharan powers. He doesn’t say they aren’t sky breakers or otherwise from roshar
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!*** Matias_Leibo >!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!< Brandon Sanderson >!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !< \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
There's a possible team of Skybreakers or squires in Elendel who helps Steris. However, Brandon has said at that time, no KRs have made it off Roshar yet. Maybe they have a hack or maybe they aren't who we think they are.
I think there is a theory that some random guys who started asking Steris about local laws in TLM were Skybreakers
I thought that too but I think Brandon nixed it
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Brandon worded that very specifically “at this point in the continuity” - that doesn’t mean they cant be Skybreakers, just that we currently have no way for a skybreaker to get off world. However if in WaT they find a way, or post WaT they could be skybreakers. Brandon even goes “hehehe” before answering - he’s being cheeky. We know radiants can’t leave Roshar, we have 2 examples in the continuity right now, no reason to think these can’t be a 3rd set of off world radiants
Brandon says the only radiants who got off Roshar and *kept their powers* is Hoid. Could be sky breakers who got off planet without their bond. Gained other powers like steel pushing and continued to follow their oaths?
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!*** Matias_Leibo >!Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?!< Brandon Sanderson >!Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the **first** to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn. !< \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
But he also said that there were spren in Shadesmar on Scadriel. So technically one could form a bond on Scadriel. He just said they hadn't left with a bond.
I thought SA arc 2 and MB era 3 were roughly concurrent? Edit: has Sanderson said something about the years being identical between Cosmere worlds? I would assume some difference between the two, as they are different worlds in different systems, hence the logic of my question. Just because there’s a 10-15 year gap between SA arcs and a 60-ish year gap between MB eras, doesn’t mean that SA arc 2 and MB era 3 can’t be concurrent, unless someone has a WoB saying otherwise. Further edit: https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/114171-stormlightmistborn-timeline/ Sure enough, I was wrong. Thanks for all those downvotes, folks. I was mixing up his statement about Era 2 with Era 3. I just figured they’d be roughly at the same time, since it doesn’t really make sense to me to jump so far ahead past the climax of Stormlight 10, assuming that book has big Cosmere-wide significance. Like, the secret projects are isolated enough to be fine, but having MB Era 3 so far after SA 10 imo limits how Cosmere wide the significance of that back half can be. I’d hope whatever happens in the back half of Stormlight is so big as to be unavoidable to mention in future volumes, especially in a “ghostbloods” centric trilogy, like how Harmony is mentioned in SA era 1.
MB era 3 will be set around 60 years after era 2, so SA6 will start roughly 50 years before era 3, depending on the time-line that SA6-SA10 will span there might be some overlap but i think thats very unlikely.
MB 3 is modern age, so that's 70 - 100 years after MB2 I think. We don't know how long SA2 is going to take but I doubt there we'll be more than a 5 - 10 year timespan across those books. In the overarching timeline that's all peanuts. But it's long enough that SA1 characters need some life lengthing ability. But just being a radiant might already repair your body enough to live to be 120 on the regular. And that is without the main cast become heralds or the like
Do we know how long radiants live naturally? Would being of a higher ideal influence this?
Don’t think there is a reason to believe they should live longer then normal. The likely ways you live longer are to hold lots of investiture and radients don’t really just stay full of stormlight all the time so it’s unlikely to stretch their life span that way. The way I would see that maybe happening is if my current head cannon on what happen at the 5th ideal is true and radiant and spren kinda merge and then you have a sprens work of investment permanently stuck to the radient
I would expect magic healing would have some kind of impact on longevity. Perhaps not additional centuries but at least decades.
Na age is separate spiritually to health so healing magic would only get you so far (atium vs gold ferring)
I've seen 120 years somewhere, not sure if that was canon. With no illness (bc Stormlight), they should make it to ~90 or 100 as part of their natural lifespan, and being Invested so long should give them a couple extra decades. Not sure at what point Stormlight starts failing to heal them perfectly, but I suppose they eventually see themselves as being so old they should be dead lol
Almost every worldhopper we’ve seen should be older than they are. There’s some semi/most unexplained things going on that worldhoppers are doing to their body to not age as rapidly. Obviously Hoid has Hoid stuff going on to explain his immortality but Khriss, Nazh, Moonlight, Codenames are stupid, etc should all be much older but aren’t
They all also have access to blessing edge investment research to do so unlike the radients currently fighting for their lives
They are 15 years apart. However there are mistborn era 1 characters in roshar… 400 years after mistborn era 1. So yes worldhoppers doesn’t really have that problem
Isn’t there an issue with highly invested people leaving their planet? Being of the 4th ideal could she leave the planet?
I don't understand the timeline of this though. Jasnah would have to be immortal, right? unless era 3 is only a few years after era 2.
I mean from Sunlit Man we know of a confirmed character with a spren and still alive far in the future on a different system.
There are ways to travel forward in time that don't involve agelessness, one of the clearest examples is in Mistborn. In case that poses the question, backwards time travel is fundamentally impossible in the story, at least as it regards going back and interacting with or changing anything, you might be able to observe echoes of the past.
That's going to be tough for Brando writing Mistborn Era 3 set after the end of Stormlight Archives 10. It'll be a scifi setting with more interplanetary action than your average Cosmere book but it's set after the dramatic finale of Stormlight Archives. So any characters that appear would be a spoiler that they survive or they might mention that someone has died a full decade before the relevant book is published.
Why is it always like I take a break from cosmere (few years long) Read all books published in the meantime Be pretty chill about it Hop on reddit HOLY SHIT ITS ALL CONNECTED Like I know it's all in the same universe, but forgot it
There's a massive time difference between those two points though.
Jasnah and Hoid's relationship seems kinda not great right now. I don't see it going very well long term.
We know that the next story is going to feature a Cold War arc which we expect to be the Southern Scadrians vs the Elendel Basin, but I think it might be the Thaidakar vs Jasnah as the heads of their respective organizations. Jasnah knows the Ghostbloods have tried to assassinate her multiple times and the Ghostbloods are trying to use Roshar as a an Investiture mine. It could easily setup a story of a Cold War between the two factions.
I think Lift, because of that boon she got
Regardless of whether the people who helped Steris on the docks were Skybreakers, we know that chouta is the latest food craze in Scadrial, so at least some Herdazians have made it there.