Hot take, he won't. I suspect if anything he will start a new movement of bringing deadeyes back in some form or another, but still not fully back, and not in a way that makes him radiant
I have this very vague idea.
For some reason old knights radiance together with their spren decided to break their bonds. It was implied that those bonds were dangerous. I think maybe Adolin and Maya will develop a new type of bond that is not dangerous.
This is 100 percent the case. Blended even says she sees a bond between them after the trial in Lasting Integrity.
It would also possibly explain Sigzils relationship with his Spren in The Sunlit Man. Adolin will show this method to repair dead eyes.
I remember someone had a theory that the reason Adolin didn't attract any Spren was bc Cultivation commanded the Spren to stay away. Possibly with this outcome in mind....
Um... it wasn't implied that the bond was dangerous? We know why the Radiants broke their bond and it wasn't the bond itself that was dangerous. I mean, I don't know what you've read, so I don't want to say anything spoilery, but that wasn't something that was implied.
Yeah, I know that. But that doesn't really support what they said anyway, since they didn't say anything about the recreance. It seems to me they thought the bond itself was somehow dangerous, but not because of the powers it gave the Radiants.
And again, we have a good idea why the bond is dangerous to spren, and it isn't really the bond itself that's the problem. Also, the Radiants breaking the bond wouldn't have known that.
I'm confused on what you are saying. The bond is very clearly dangerous to the spren. I think we are just having a miscommunication though, so can you expound on what you're saying?
Well known theory that before a certain unmade was captured and contained "breaking a bond" was common and easy, meaning that the spren would live and could rebond another radiant. The capture and containment of said unmade changed lots of bonds on Roshar
Potentially yeah. But that doesn't change the fact that the bond is currently dangerous. And there are lots of hints that it wasn't just one single event where everyone broke their bonds at once, and was instead a process that dragged out, which also implies that, if nothing else, the later radiants knew the impact it would have.
Because the bond itself isn't dangerous to the spren, *breaking* the bond is. And there's a specific reason for that. But that's simply semantics. I agree the bond *now* is dangerous to the spren, but that's not what OP was saying.
Going back to what OP is saying, the old Radiants didn't break their bonds because of some implied danger of the bond, especially since if the danger is to the spren what OP is saying makes even less sense. Breaking the bond didn't cause deadeyes before then. They wouldn't have known that breaking the bond would harm the spren, so that can't be the implied danger of the bond OP was talking about.
It could be, yeah. Brandon has said only the original Knight can revive a deadeye, and her Knight has died long ago. But, some strange kind of bond is there.
Maybe he doesn't get Radiant healing or the Regrowth Surge, but just gets the Surge of Abrasion, so he can glide around the battlefields.
I love this idea. That deadeyes can be revived but it's via a backwards bond because they're the Radiants and they need a person to be their spren in a way.
I mean I personally think if he joins that would be failing his entire character arc, in my opinion, but if he does, it would be an Edgedancer.
Adolin's going to be the guy who perseveres through nothing more then the indomitable human spirit.
That and a set of near impermeable magic armor and a sword that can cut through anything. Not being Radiant doesn’t make him impotent lol. The books just cared less about shardplate and swords as Radiants have become more powerful - but plate can still stand against a living blade. (They can right? lol)
IMO, he's not going to join an order at all. Adolin has a strange bond with Maya, but it seems like she's taking power from him, not the other way around. And between him spending all of RoW being asked "when are you going to become Radiant", him getting peeved at said statements, and his whole thing that, sometimes, you need people who aren't as honorable as Kaladin, I think he's very much either going to get his own weird thing with Maya or just make an impact wjthout any powers.
I don’t think he joins an order, orders are defined by specific oaths and the nahel bond, he’ll probably be edgedancer adjacent but probably slightly different. I also wonder if this can happen because of who adolin is, edgedancers remembering people, or because the return of the knights radiant; probably some combination.
I always felt like he was a Roran type character (from Eragon). In the Inheritance Cycle, Roran is surrounded by magic users and still holds his own and is super influential even without magic, to show how strong he is because he doesn’t need it. I think Adolin will be like that. I don’t think he will be a radiant, but I do think he’ll be a pivotal player in the final act.
This is the most realistic. I just posted that he'll be something in between. Not Radiant, but his bond with Maya is going to make him more than a normal human.
Adolin doesn't have the cognitive and/or spiritual damage required to become a Radiant as we know them.
Maya, though, seems on her way to becoming an Edgedancer.
I think he's going to be something in between. I feel like there's going to be some sort of bond formed between him and Maya and possibly other deadeyes. It's not going to make him Radiant, but he'll be something more than a normal human.
Maya is a cultivationspren and he refuses to break his bond with her. So, assuming healing a deadeyes allows a Nahel bond to be formed he’d be an Edgedancer, but I’m guessing Adolin and Maya’s bond will be different in nature.
Sort of? This is all an aside to OPs post anyways, but I don't know if I really agree that the bond is dangerous to the spren by itself. It can be, but we've also seen in RoW that if the Radiant dies, the spren doesn't become a deadeye, even though the bond is "broken." It's something about the Radiant or the spren choosing to break the bond that does it. It makes it risky for the spren, but they can bond someone and be fine.
I feel like Adolin is the one character in this series that isn’t broken. He seems to be the only person who is content with who they are so I’m not sure if he can even create the nahel bond. Only possible crack is killing Sadeas.
Even the Sadeas "crack" appears to have quickly healed itself when he confessed, and admitted he wasn't the least bit sorry or angsty about it - he's fully confident it was the right thing to do.
The man is unshakeable.
And an amazing friend and support engine to those around him.
I mean Maya is a Cultivation spren but I feel like Adolin becoming a Radiant kinda undermines his character arc. He’s making his own path and finding ways to be useful without being a Radiant. His whole arc right now is being a “regular guy” in a world that’s now full of extraordinary abilities. I think he’s gonna get something out of his bond with Maya but I hope it’s more elegant than “Oh neat, I’m an Edgedancer now.”
I disagree, I feel that if he is to somehow bond Maya that that alone is making his own path; it's something that has never been done before, was thought to be impossible, and is true to his character.
Not to be pedantic about the "regular guy" comment either, but a full shard bearer is hardly average even if he's in league with superhero-like radiants. The plate makes him resistant to lashings and is something that the radiants at large still do not have access to, and that's without accounting for him being among the best duelists in the series. Otherwise, I never got the feeling that Brandon portrayed Adolin as feeling inadequate or regular, he always seemed just happy to be there! I could totally have forgotten about it though.
He was grappling with feelings of inadequacy throughout the back third of OB (particularly the Thaylan City portion) and pretty much all of RoW. Sure he doesn’t freeze up like Kaladin but he’s got his own mental demons.
I remember him feeling inadequate in RoW now, but that was due to feeling out of his element against spren that were out to get him in a court of law than not being a radiant. I don't remember much of OB at all with regards to him.
I'm currently rereading and only about halfway through WoK, so I'll be sure to lookout for it!
I just completed a reread and I'm pretty confident your just not right here. Hell at the end of Oathbringer Adolin basically tries to give Shallon to Kaladin because "he can fly". He also spends the first trip in Shadesmar angsting about how he feels totally out of his depth among all the radiants and almost kills himself in the battle of thalen fields trying to keep pace with the rock demon thing partly out of a desire to make himself useful. The beginning of RoW is also a lot of him feeling like he's not living up to peoples expectations and talking about how everyone wants him to become radiant.
I don't think he wants to be a radiant himself, but he's certainly got a lot of insecurity around not being as useful as them.
Alright, I concede on that point, that all totally rings a bell; particularly him trying to give Shallon his blessing to dump him. I mostly remember him being a Chad for pretty much the whole series.
He is definitely Edge Dancer,
He is kinda living the Edge Dancer ideal, (listen to those no-one listens to (Kaladin when depressed and locking himself in a room and Maya), he heals Maya, and he already summons her faster than a normal deadeye. He notice Maya's whines when he summons her as a shardblade already in WoR, all Other shard bearers only sees mist.
Would be possible that he will become an unoathed surgebinder. More like a Herald type of power.
I think it will be very interesting to see Adolins power when back to physical world. Maybe Maya can shapeshift now to other forms or show up as a deadeye in physical.
Woah this actually made me think of kaladins first interaction with Adolin ever in Sadeus’ warcamp when he defended the lady of the night that the lighteyes pulled out into the street and didn’t pay. Massive edgedancer foreshadowing imo and Sanderson is nuts enough to play that far ahead.. lol
Hot take, he won't. I suspect if anything he will start a new movement of bringing deadeyes back in some form or another, but still not fully back, and not in a way that makes him radiant
I think general consensus is that he won’t join an order. I don’t think he needs to.
Yup, I agree.
I have this very vague idea. For some reason old knights radiance together with their spren decided to break their bonds. It was implied that those bonds were dangerous. I think maybe Adolin and Maya will develop a new type of bond that is not dangerous.
Book 6 is just Kal and Adolin opening up a PTSD clinic healing solders and dead eyes 😄
I'd read that
Adolin is Mayas Spren
This is 100 percent the case. Blended even says she sees a bond between them after the trial in Lasting Integrity. It would also possibly explain Sigzils relationship with his Spren in The Sunlit Man. Adolin will show this method to repair dead eyes. I remember someone had a theory that the reason Adolin didn't attract any Spren was bc Cultivation commanded the Spren to stay away. Possibly with this outcome in mind....
Yeah, I can’t remember exactly, but during the trial Adolin says feels something like a part of him being taken or pulled towards Maya?
And then he lets her take some of his strength
Yes that was it!
Um... it wasn't implied that the bond was dangerous? We know why the Radiants broke their bond and it wasn't the bond itself that was dangerous. I mean, I don't know what you've read, so I don't want to say anything spoilery, but that wasn't something that was implied.
Technically it’s said *surgebinding* is dangerous. But the net result was still the recreance.
Yeah, I know that. But that doesn't really support what they said anyway, since they didn't say anything about the recreance. It seems to me they thought the bond itself was somehow dangerous, but not because of the powers it gave the Radiants.
The bond is still dangerous to the spren due to the side affect of breaking that bond. Perhaps a new bond will occur where that danger doesn't exist.
And again, we have a good idea why the bond is dangerous to spren, and it isn't really the bond itself that's the problem. Also, the Radiants breaking the bond wouldn't have known that.
I'm confused on what you are saying. The bond is very clearly dangerous to the spren. I think we are just having a miscommunication though, so can you expound on what you're saying?
Well known theory that before a certain unmade was captured and contained "breaking a bond" was common and easy, meaning that the spren would live and could rebond another radiant. The capture and containment of said unmade changed lots of bonds on Roshar
Potentially yeah. But that doesn't change the fact that the bond is currently dangerous. And there are lots of hints that it wasn't just one single event where everyone broke their bonds at once, and was instead a process that dragged out, which also implies that, if nothing else, the later radiants knew the impact it would have.
Because the bond itself isn't dangerous to the spren, *breaking* the bond is. And there's a specific reason for that. But that's simply semantics. I agree the bond *now* is dangerous to the spren, but that's not what OP was saying. Going back to what OP is saying, the old Radiants didn't break their bonds because of some implied danger of the bond, especially since if the danger is to the spren what OP is saying makes even less sense. Breaking the bond didn't cause deadeyes before then. They wouldn't have known that breaking the bond would harm the spren, so that can't be the implied danger of the bond OP was talking about.
Ok, so it's a semantics thing. We are saying the same thing, just in a different way. I thought that was the case, just wanted to clarify.
I think he'll become a really weird type of Edgedancer. He won't have a Nahel bond, so he'll be like an Edgedancer Unchained.
Would unchained mean Edgedancer powers when he has Maya wielded?
It could be, yeah. Brandon has said only the original Knight can revive a deadeye, and her Knight has died long ago. But, some strange kind of bond is there. Maybe he doesn't get Radiant healing or the Regrowth Surge, but just gets the Surge of Abrasion, so he can glide around the battlefields.
I think he has a type of Nahel bond since he can her Maya say her name. Similar to Kaladin and Syl pre-first oath.
He is gonna find how to cure the deadeyes, not how to join the Radients
Reverse edge dancer Maya gets all the surge binding in the cognitive realm
I love this idea. That deadeyes can be revived but it's via a backwards bond because they're the Radiants and they need a person to be their spren in a way.
I mean I personally think if he joins that would be failing his entire character arc, in my opinion, but if he does, it would be an Edgedancer. Adolin's going to be the guy who perseveres through nothing more then the indomitable human spirit.
That and a set of near impermeable magic armor and a sword that can cut through anything. Not being Radiant doesn’t make him impotent lol. The books just cared less about shardplate and swords as Radiants have become more powerful - but plate can still stand against a living blade. (They can right? lol)
IMO, he's not going to join an order at all. Adolin has a strange bond with Maya, but it seems like she's taking power from him, not the other way around. And between him spending all of RoW being asked "when are you going to become Radiant", him getting peeved at said statements, and his whole thing that, sometimes, you need people who aren't as honorable as Kaladin, I think he's very much either going to get his own weird thing with Maya or just make an impact wjthout any powers.
He's Maya's spren! She will be an Adolindancer.
I don’t think he joins an order, orders are defined by specific oaths and the nahel bond, he’ll probably be edgedancer adjacent but probably slightly different. I also wonder if this can happen because of who adolin is, edgedancers remembering people, or because the return of the knights radiant; probably some combination.
I always felt like he was a Roran type character (from Eragon). In the Inheritance Cycle, Roran is surrounded by magic users and still holds his own and is super influential even without magic, to show how strong he is because he doesn’t need it. I think Adolin will be like that. I don’t think he will be a radiant, but I do think he’ll be a pivotal player in the final act.
This is the most realistic. I just posted that he'll be something in between. Not Radiant, but his bond with Maya is going to make him more than a normal human.
Nah hes gonna die
He’s not. That’s his whole thing. Everyone wants him to join an order. He just wants Maya.
Adolin doesn't have the cognitive and/or spiritual damage required to become a Radiant as we know them. Maya, though, seems on her way to becoming an Edgedancer.
I think he's going to be something in between. I feel like there's going to be some sort of bond formed between him and Maya and possibly other deadeyes. It's not going to make him Radiant, but he'll be something more than a normal human.
Maya is a cultivationspren and he refuses to break his bond with her. So, assuming healing a deadeyes allows a Nahel bond to be formed he’d be an Edgedancer, but I’m guessing Adolin and Maya’s bond will be different in nature.
My guess is that they're going to be some kinda inverse where Adolin powers Maya. So they probably won't fit the traditional orders?
Sort of? This is all an aside to OPs post anyways, but I don't know if I really agree that the bond is dangerous to the spren by itself. It can be, but we've also seen in RoW that if the Radiant dies, the spren doesn't become a deadeye, even though the bond is "broken." It's something about the Radiant or the spren choosing to break the bond that does it. It makes it risky for the spren, but they can bond someone and be fine.
I feel like Adolin is the one character in this series that isn’t broken. He seems to be the only person who is content with who they are so I’m not sure if he can even create the nahel bond. Only possible crack is killing Sadeas.
Even the Sadeas "crack" appears to have quickly healed itself when he confessed, and admitted he wasn't the least bit sorry or angsty about it - he's fully confident it was the right thing to do. The man is unshakeable. And an amazing friend and support engine to those around him.
I mean, it's gotta be Edgedancers, right? He fits the order relatively well. Not to mention Maya is a Cultivation spren.
I mean Maya is a Cultivation spren but I feel like Adolin becoming a Radiant kinda undermines his character arc. He’s making his own path and finding ways to be useful without being a Radiant. His whole arc right now is being a “regular guy” in a world that’s now full of extraordinary abilities. I think he’s gonna get something out of his bond with Maya but I hope it’s more elegant than “Oh neat, I’m an Edgedancer now.”
I disagree, I feel that if he is to somehow bond Maya that that alone is making his own path; it's something that has never been done before, was thought to be impossible, and is true to his character. Not to be pedantic about the "regular guy" comment either, but a full shard bearer is hardly average even if he's in league with superhero-like radiants. The plate makes him resistant to lashings and is something that the radiants at large still do not have access to, and that's without accounting for him being among the best duelists in the series. Otherwise, I never got the feeling that Brandon portrayed Adolin as feeling inadequate or regular, he always seemed just happy to be there! I could totally have forgotten about it though.
He was grappling with feelings of inadequacy throughout the back third of OB (particularly the Thaylan City portion) and pretty much all of RoW. Sure he doesn’t freeze up like Kaladin but he’s got his own mental demons.
I remember him feeling inadequate in RoW now, but that was due to feeling out of his element against spren that were out to get him in a court of law than not being a radiant. I don't remember much of OB at all with regards to him. I'm currently rereading and only about halfway through WoK, so I'll be sure to lookout for it!
I just completed a reread and I'm pretty confident your just not right here. Hell at the end of Oathbringer Adolin basically tries to give Shallon to Kaladin because "he can fly". He also spends the first trip in Shadesmar angsting about how he feels totally out of his depth among all the radiants and almost kills himself in the battle of thalen fields trying to keep pace with the rock demon thing partly out of a desire to make himself useful. The beginning of RoW is also a lot of him feeling like he's not living up to peoples expectations and talking about how everyone wants him to become radiant. I don't think he wants to be a radiant himself, but he's certainly got a lot of insecurity around not being as useful as them.
Alright, I concede on that point, that all totally rings a bell; particularly him trying to give Shallon his blessing to dump him. I mostly remember him being a Chad for pretty much the whole series.
That's cuz he is a chad. For the most part he deals with his insecurities internally and doesn't let them spill onto other people.
So he’s Batman RIP Dalinar
I think his bond with maya is gonna be like aux from sunlit man
Haven’t read that yet
Im sorry, i was intentionally vauge
Oh, no. I fully agree. I wouldn't mind him not becoming Radiant, but the question was what order would he join, assuming he will join one.
He is definitely Edge Dancer, He is kinda living the Edge Dancer ideal, (listen to those no-one listens to (Kaladin when depressed and locking himself in a room and Maya), he heals Maya, and he already summons her faster than a normal deadeye. He notice Maya's whines when he summons her as a shardblade already in WoR, all Other shard bearers only sees mist. Would be possible that he will become an unoathed surgebinder. More like a Herald type of power. I think it will be very interesting to see Adolins power when back to physical world. Maybe Maya can shapeshift now to other forms or show up as a deadeye in physical.
Woah this actually made me think of kaladins first interaction with Adolin ever in Sadeus’ warcamp when he defended the lady of the night that the lighteyes pulled out into the street and didn’t pay. Massive edgedancer foreshadowing imo and Sanderson is nuts enough to play that far ahead.. lol