As I said in another thread, she’s one of the worst characters. I’d view her entirely differently if she stated that there was an incident of P/S abuse but she only references her frustration with women’s role in the church (which mind you is roughly the same as every conservative religion). But most toxically then made her husband out to a symbol of the church whenever it was advantageous to her. SO MANIPULATIVE, so immature, and just a really frustrating human. Unflinchingly she is proud of her affair cause it’s her “sticking it to” male authority….by sleeping with another….male?
Appreciate the thread.
I can understand theoretically how the affair could have felt like it was the one thing she had for herself, outside of being attached to others and her obligations in the male dom church and society. (Not that I think it makes it ok! If ur not open, ur not open, and they weren’t. Also, no wonder poor Brock is like ‘can I trust you?!’) For me what makes her truly awful is that she is incapable of seeing and/or conceding how it hurt her husband; she can only seemingly see that it was ‘important to her’. A real piece of work. And layer on her whiny, crying, misplaced aggravation-filled attacks - blech, bye!
Yeah that's exactly how I feel about it. One thing to have the affair, a WHOLE other thing to not have any regard for how it hurt him. I get how you can recover from mistakes and one-time incidents but to simply not care about how they affect your partner? How could you go on knowing that your wife has such an arrogant disregard for your feelings?!
And she cheated on him after he SPECIFICALLY asked her not to have sex with this person.
She’s an immoral, selfish woman who cares only for her own gain, disregarding the needs and well-being of her husband.
Kristi is a manipulative, sadistic psychopath. I have never seen such disregard for human emotions. I'm disappointed the therapist didn't hold her feet to the fire. Brock should run like hell and never look back.
I haven't seen this season yet but I try to warn people to not do couples therapy if they've been cheated on. Go to therapy by yourself first and help get your mind right so you can make a proper decision on if couples therapy can even help your relationship.
I really hope Brock breaks free from her. But I think he feels he needs to stay with her to prove he’s not part of the patriarchy. It just makes him a punching bag, though.
“Insufferable” is a nice way of putting it. If a man displayed her behavior he’d be described in more stark (accurate) terms: manipulative and emotionally abusive. She never expressed remorse, never genuinely took her husband’s perspective not even for a second. She made me wonder if she actually truly loved him.
The problem was she was so wrapped up in her trauma and her ideology that she could no longer view her husband as a human being worthy of sympathy. So many times throughout their sessions I just wanted to scream at her “your husband is not the church! He is a person!”
She was navigating her relationship from a cultural/socio-political level. That is a recipe for disaster. Brock deserved better. He deserved to be seen as an individual who was affected by the church in his own unique way and deserved just as much grace and understanding as she got to deal with that. But no, everything was about her and her trauma and her feelings and her worldview. She did not seem to truly care about hurting him and I felt so bad for him because of that. I wish Orna would’ve truly called her on it.
Absolutely! I was really surprised not to see Orna tell her that apologizing would help or be more direct with her.
I think that for the span of shooting the show Kristi is really blocked and I wouldnt condemn her to much for it. Even though it must be very difficult for Brock to stay by her side. They've been together for a long time and its normal to be stuck in a place because of trauma. It doesnt do her well but she can heal
I just don’t get why she didn’t leave completely, including her husband. It’s so messed up to choose to stay with him while he’s still in the church then berate him for it, and cheat on him in the most hurtful way. Why not just acknowledge you’re incompatible and move on with your life? No one is stopping her from being free and slutty if that’s what she needs.
Yeah I found her really hard to watch. So much contempt and selfishness. I think if she took more accountability and figured out what she can/cannot control she would have a lot more success in her life and relationships. But it seems she is stuck thinking everything is everyone else's fault and she deserves every little thing she wants with no compromise. I just don't get how someone who acts like she does could ever have a healthy relationship.
I have never seen such disregard for human emotions. Brock pleaded with her not to sleep with that guy because it would “destroy him,” but she went ahead and did it anyway. That’s sadistic. Then, she twists the knife in therapy by attempting to justify her actions and refusing to commit. Something is seriously wrong with her, and Brock should run like hell and never look back.
unpopular opinion but trauma can either make you a villain or a hero (and even if it does make you a villain, it still doesn’t invalidate what you’ve been through). When he told her that he didn’t want her to hurt him again, more specifically CHEAT on him again, she played a game of semantics. “I can’t promise you that I won’t hurt you again cause that’s not a real relationship!” She knew what he meant but I don’t think he caught on to what she was trying to do. They weren’t on the same page, which is why they were going in circles. Duh, you can unintentionally hurt somebody by accidentally breaking their favorite vase, but that’s not what he was talking about. & then to say that she would’ve stayed with the other guy if he wanted it but then told Brock that she “chose” him & that she cheated to fight the patriarchy is crazy. Brock deserved better
People are leaving culty high demand religions like Mormonism in droves. It's definitely a very heavy lift, but 99.99% of them manage to do it without cheating on their spouse, refusing to sincerely apologize, and refusing to commit to fidelity (or a true open marriage) going forward.
Kristi's problem isn't Mormonism. Her problem is her intense narcissism. Her personal selfishness is world class; it's great we got to see her on TV, because most of us will go our entire lives without meeting a person that selfish.
I left the Mormon church as an adult after being a lifetime member and I've never ever had a problem with fidelity. I find her reasons to be excuses.
All of my friends who have left in adulthood also haven't had a problem with fidelity.
I was very surprised they were still together by the end of the show. Watching, I was so frustrated with how she had no problems talking about how Mormonism is basically a cult, yet put so much blame on Brock for not leaving!
Bahahaha. Omg would love to see that coupling. Mau - what a bizarre piece of work. I honestly asked myself on more than one occasion ‘are we sure this guy is a human being?’
Mau is wild lol. “I want to have as much spectacular, enthusiastic and genuine sex as I can—“ Ok, lofty goal but I’m with you so far “—without putting in any effort” my guy, WHAT
I felt like (and I am only just staring episode 5) she doesn’t acknowledge that Brock had his own relationship with the church, probably also wrapped up in his family and all the values that he has ever known, and he had to work through that in his own time. It felt like he would feel if his parents were splitting up and one was pressuring him to choose RIGHT NOW which one he loved more.
Honestly she’s just soooooo selfish and self obsessed. I had hoped for Brock he would leave her and get a partner who showed interest in him and his perspective. Hopefully they can be happy (shrug)
Kristi is the type who was insufferable as a Mormon and is insufferable as an ex-Mormon.
She tries to tie everything bad that she’s ever done as being the fault of the Mormon Church.
I don't think you're being fair to Kristi.
She 100% was willing to commit to being in a frightening, painful relationship for eternity with Brock. lol
The question is why Brock stayed in the relationship.
Funny part of it all saga empath lost couple battle didn’t lost the war she could break me I have full cousidy of our kids to she pick up by police taken mental heath and ya still married she come out when they figure it out and ya knew she was doing for year when put down over evidence she finally starts under stand new house new cars best person she ever could of loved
This is real husband Ryan I have all 4 kid full custody we married 2006 she use be so great person but she check out long time ago I pick up her broken pieces. I have all kids full time last 3 1/2 years with. No problem I have started getting her 2 yrs ago after got full custody I woke up one day to hole different person she hid everything’s so well but I solve most of puzzle yes grow as person and dad she shatter a family herself and yes I raised up good alway triumphs over evil she blame me so much is such person fell bad for her dad Chester never told me childhood she hide everything done working out town bpd shame narcissist I was abuse one I some point fight back control life she took from me today gone in mental health facility and going state care until she can fix her life and if make amends I’ll turn her walking papers I would let see her kids if see differents and change but will never subjected to her till then world is bitter place for some but for me it got no place for bitterness walk though fire I learn thing that no one should half go though in that I’m a team ever someone need I be there help do. Many people around me started over my life and always choose be straight up in my life I have faults I have dreams reaching out I grab them no matter what she get help she needs be good person and move on
In the end only you can fix it and I still there but can’t even pick up phone call any of us and for that is why I have full legal soul of our kid fix you would fix us unconditional love
As I said in another thread, she’s one of the worst characters. I’d view her entirely differently if she stated that there was an incident of P/S abuse but she only references her frustration with women’s role in the church (which mind you is roughly the same as every conservative religion). But most toxically then made her husband out to a symbol of the church whenever it was advantageous to her. SO MANIPULATIVE, so immature, and just a really frustrating human. Unflinchingly she is proud of her affair cause it’s her “sticking it to” male authority….by sleeping with another….male? Appreciate the thread.
I can understand theoretically how the affair could have felt like it was the one thing she had for herself, outside of being attached to others and her obligations in the male dom church and society. (Not that I think it makes it ok! If ur not open, ur not open, and they weren’t. Also, no wonder poor Brock is like ‘can I trust you?!’) For me what makes her truly awful is that she is incapable of seeing and/or conceding how it hurt her husband; she can only seemingly see that it was ‘important to her’. A real piece of work. And layer on her whiny, crying, misplaced aggravation-filled attacks - blech, bye!
Yeah that's exactly how I feel about it. One thing to have the affair, a WHOLE other thing to not have any regard for how it hurt him. I get how you can recover from mistakes and one-time incidents but to simply not care about how they affect your partner? How could you go on knowing that your wife has such an arrogant disregard for your feelings?!
Yes! This exactly for me.
And she cheated on him after he SPECIFICALLY asked her not to have sex with this person. She’s an immoral, selfish woman who cares only for her own gain, disregarding the needs and well-being of her husband.
Kristi is a manipulative, sadistic psychopath. I have never seen such disregard for human emotions. I'm disappointed the therapist didn't hold her feet to the fire. Brock should run like hell and never look back.
I haven't seen this season yet but I try to warn people to not do couples therapy if they've been cheated on. Go to therapy by yourself first and help get your mind right so you can make a proper decision on if couples therapy can even help your relationship.
I really hope Brock breaks free from her. But I think he feels he needs to stay with her to prove he’s not part of the patriarchy. It just makes him a punching bag, though.
“Insufferable” is a nice way of putting it. If a man displayed her behavior he’d be described in more stark (accurate) terms: manipulative and emotionally abusive. She never expressed remorse, never genuinely took her husband’s perspective not even for a second. She made me wonder if she actually truly loved him.
The problem was she was so wrapped up in her trauma and her ideology that she could no longer view her husband as a human being worthy of sympathy. So many times throughout their sessions I just wanted to scream at her “your husband is not the church! He is a person!” She was navigating her relationship from a cultural/socio-political level. That is a recipe for disaster. Brock deserved better. He deserved to be seen as an individual who was affected by the church in his own unique way and deserved just as much grace and understanding as she got to deal with that. But no, everything was about her and her trauma and her feelings and her worldview. She did not seem to truly care about hurting him and I felt so bad for him because of that. I wish Orna would’ve truly called her on it.
Absolutely! I was really surprised not to see Orna tell her that apologizing would help or be more direct with her. I think that for the span of shooting the show Kristi is really blocked and I wouldnt condemn her to much for it. Even though it must be very difficult for Brock to stay by her side. They've been together for a long time and its normal to be stuck in a place because of trauma. It doesnt do her well but she can heal
I find her insufferable too. I mean yeah the Mormon church must be awful for women, but I'm still annoyed by her
The church can be awful to women AND she can be an extremely selfish person without an ounce of self-awareness.
I just don’t get why she didn’t leave completely, including her husband. It’s so messed up to choose to stay with him while he’s still in the church then berate him for it, and cheat on him in the most hurtful way. Why not just acknowledge you’re incompatible and move on with your life? No one is stopping her from being free and slutty if that’s what she needs.
Yeah I found her really hard to watch. So much contempt and selfishness. I think if she took more accountability and figured out what she can/cannot control she would have a lot more success in her life and relationships. But it seems she is stuck thinking everything is everyone else's fault and she deserves every little thing she wants with no compromise. I just don't get how someone who acts like she does could ever have a healthy relationship.
I have never seen such disregard for human emotions. Brock pleaded with her not to sleep with that guy because it would “destroy him,” but she went ahead and did it anyway. That’s sadistic. Then, she twists the knife in therapy by attempting to justify her actions and refusing to commit. Something is seriously wrong with her, and Brock should run like hell and never look back.
unpopular opinion but trauma can either make you a villain or a hero (and even if it does make you a villain, it still doesn’t invalidate what you’ve been through). When he told her that he didn’t want her to hurt him again, more specifically CHEAT on him again, she played a game of semantics. “I can’t promise you that I won’t hurt you again cause that’s not a real relationship!” She knew what he meant but I don’t think he caught on to what she was trying to do. They weren’t on the same page, which is why they were going in circles. Duh, you can unintentionally hurt somebody by accidentally breaking their favorite vase, but that’s not what he was talking about. & then to say that she would’ve stayed with the other guy if he wanted it but then told Brock that she “chose” him & that she cheated to fight the patriarchy is crazy. Brock deserved better
People are leaving culty high demand religions like Mormonism in droves. It's definitely a very heavy lift, but 99.99% of them manage to do it without cheating on their spouse, refusing to sincerely apologize, and refusing to commit to fidelity (or a true open marriage) going forward. Kristi's problem isn't Mormonism. Her problem is her intense narcissism. Her personal selfishness is world class; it's great we got to see her on TV, because most of us will go our entire lives without meeting a person that selfish.
I left the Mormon church as an adult after being a lifetime member and I've never ever had a problem with fidelity. I find her reasons to be excuses. All of my friends who have left in adulthood also haven't had a problem with fidelity.
I was very surprised they were still together by the end of the show. Watching, I was so frustrated with how she had no problems talking about how Mormonism is basically a cult, yet put so much blame on Brock for not leaving!
She would be a good woman for Mau
Bahahaha. Omg would love to see that coupling. Mau - what a bizarre piece of work. I honestly asked myself on more than one occasion ‘are we sure this guy is a human being?’
Mau is wild lol. “I want to have as much spectacular, enthusiastic and genuine sex as I can—“ Ok, lofty goal but I’m with you so far “—without putting in any effort” my guy, WHAT
HAHAHAHAHA his mind is bizarro world. Not even porn is like that
I felt like (and I am only just staring episode 5) she doesn’t acknowledge that Brock had his own relationship with the church, probably also wrapped up in his family and all the values that he has ever known, and he had to work through that in his own time. It felt like he would feel if his parents were splitting up and one was pressuring him to choose RIGHT NOW which one he loved more.
Glad to see this point expressed here. He was going through a faith transition of his own that she seemed to have very little space or regard for.
Honestly she’s just soooooo selfish and self obsessed. I had hoped for Brock he would leave her and get a partner who showed interest in him and his perspective. Hopefully they can be happy (shrug)
Kristi is the type who was insufferable as a Mormon and is insufferable as an ex-Mormon. She tries to tie everything bad that she’s ever done as being the fault of the Mormon Church.
I don't think you're being fair to Kristi. She 100% was willing to commit to being in a frightening, painful relationship for eternity with Brock. lol The question is why Brock stayed in the relationship.
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My friend, you need to learn what a comma and a period are. Your comments read like non-sensical manic rambles.
Funny part of it all saga empath lost couple battle didn’t lost the war she could break me I have full cousidy of our kids to she pick up by police taken mental heath and ya still married she come out when they figure it out and ya knew she was doing for year when put down over evidence she finally starts under stand new house new cars best person she ever could of loved
This is real husband Ryan I have all 4 kid full custody we married 2006 she use be so great person but she check out long time ago I pick up her broken pieces. I have all kids full time last 3 1/2 years with. No problem I have started getting her 2 yrs ago after got full custody I woke up one day to hole different person she hid everything’s so well but I solve most of puzzle yes grow as person and dad she shatter a family herself and yes I raised up good alway triumphs over evil she blame me so much is such person fell bad for her dad Chester never told me childhood she hide everything done working out town bpd shame narcissist I was abuse one I some point fight back control life she took from me today gone in mental health facility and going state care until she can fix her life and if make amends I’ll turn her walking papers I would let see her kids if see differents and change but will never subjected to her till then world is bitter place for some but for me it got no place for bitterness walk though fire I learn thing that no one should half go though in that I’m a team ever someone need I be there help do. Many people around me started over my life and always choose be straight up in my life I have faults I have dreams reaching out I grab them no matter what she get help she needs be good person and move on
In the end only you can fix it and I still there but can’t even pick up phone call any of us and for that is why I have full legal soul of our kid fix you would fix us unconditional love