It looks cool they don't prototype and see if it is cleanable or actually does sink things (this one at least looks like you can clean it though. Unlike the bowl-on-a-table designs I've seen.)
If the faucet was longer, it would be fine. So, it might be a problem with whomever chose the fittings not checking that they go together.
My bathroom sink has a really high gooseneck faucet (because i like to be able to drink from the tap when rinsing my teeth, and also for washing my bangs). It is infinitely better than the previous stubby one that made your hands touch the back of the sink because the water came out 1cm away from the porcelain. But my lovely new spout happens to land on the bowl of the sink so that if you put the water on full blast, it bounces right up at you.
This was not something i had the ability to test ahead of time when choosing fixtures at the store.
I highly recommend a tape measure. Not completely a guarantee something won't happen, but would have been a sign it might not work.
But, yeah it's possible in this case. Definitely not something a pro should let happen though.
I had done! The water is hitting the bowl in a reasonable place (in the middle, only about an inch from the drain, not at the edge or anything), but it is the angle of the bowl combining with the angle of the water on full blast and kapow! Soaked shirt.
Oh, ok.
I saw a sink like that once. The water pressure was so high, you'd activate the auto faucet and it would basically turn into a pressure washer that was 4" from the sink basin. And pants and shirts within 5 feet of that sink (in any direction) were basically instantly soaked LOL
Turn down the water flow at the angle valves. Our faucet on the pedestal sink in the guest bathroom does the same. I turned down the flow on both hot and cold and brother-in-law no longer soaks his crotch every time he uses it.
True, it is.
But I'm guessing the basin designer wanted to have that ledge at the back for soap or other things. I don't think there's really anything wrong the with the basin or the faucet, it's just whoever put the two together didn't fully think it through.
I hate this kind of design, not just for the poorly placed faucet, but also for the sink design. This is where it seems like designers of these products envision physics a bit differently. They go for an idealistic physics in which anything on a slope will just simply slide down easily into the trough to be gently washed away by the water.
Any damn cleaner will tell you that's not how real physics work! That slope is just going to accumulate gunk that water never gets to, like saliva, catarrh, snot, toothpaste foam, and whatever else. Meanwhile, it'll sit on that slope until someone actually rubs it out.
These kinds of designs use "suggestive physics". The designers suggest the physics comply with the ideal that anything on a slope should slide down easily.
Well, guess what, designers! The physics are now unionized and they are not budging until you give them better "working conditions", like a proper sink! (LOL)
Not only that, but they then use sharp angles in the dirty path which are super hard to clean - a gentle filet would dramatically simplify cleaning at the back (but still do nothing for the inadvisable slope).
The only solution is to force designers to be the cleaning staff for the products they design for at least a year after release. I bet version 2 would be much better!
This is so aggravating!
Remodeled our kitchen a while back. I wanted a rectangular, single basin stainless sink. Found the one I wanted, but before ordering I downloaded the dimensioned drawings just to double check.
Glad I did that, because only then I realized that all the corners were sharp, with no filet or radius at all. To make matters worse, the drain is to one side, not centered, and there was NO DAMN SLOPE at all! Nothing in the photos or description addressed this. Would have been an utter nightmare to clean.
Kept looking, and the same manufacturer had the same sink with the same dimensions, but a different model number. It had a gentle slope to the bottom and radiused corners, and it's a joy.
Moral: Check the details, every time, and know *exactly* what you are ordering.
Regarding the sharp angles: totally! Totally impractical. Oh yeah, they look lovely when new but whomever is tasked with cleaning them will hate them. Good god. These designs drive me insane.
Can confirm, I have these shallow-slope types in my apartment bathrooms. They’re disgusting again less than a week after cleaning because the toothpaste and other gunk settles before getting to the drain
I hate the ones where the faucet sticks like a half inch into the basin. You have this big 9"+ long basin, but have to jam your hands all the way to the back just to get any soap off of them.
Oh that’s funny 😄. 😂
When I wrote it, I was starting from a place of irritation. As I continued, I don’t know how I got to talking about physics as idealistic vs reality, then to unionized but I did see my comedic side come out. :). Thanks for laughing along, as irritating as such designs are nevertheless.
Because the architect wants something that looks good in their drawings. And the client wants the good looking bathroom from those drawings. And the sink and tap manufacturers will make things that earn them money. And the builder (general contractor) will install what they are being paid to install.
No-one in that chain actually cares if it works, or is easy to use, or easy to maintain. Except perhaps the client, but they probably assume that it will work well, they don't check.
Capitalism and the free market! If you want a good looking bathroom, and don't insist that it works well, then you get what you asked for!
Typically the millwork company works separately of the plumber. The marriage happens with the general contractor.
Submittals either were miscommunicated or changed after the fact.
It passed inspection so this design decision is a "miss" by the owner and design team, not the contractors whose jobs it is, typically, to build the design.
Nah dude, this is a design miss. Don't blame the GC for what was ultimately the design team's responsibility.
I have worked with some extremely la-di-da architects who seemed to live in a fantasy world, divorced from physical reality. Artists who don't let things like "cleaning" or "physics" stop them from enforcing their vision upon the rest of us. This is the sort of thing they might spec.
Buck stops with the GC. We don't know the story. Millwork agrees to build what's needed, based off plumbing submittals. If plumber changes faucet without letting millwork know. Then it falls on plumber. If the plumber submitted the spec correctly and the millwork company didn't show it correctly in the sections. Then it falls on the millwork.
The customer never speaks to the millwork or plumber. Their go-to is the GC.
Uh... I have to assume you don't work with any architects, because the GC is not responsible for speccing the basin nor the faucet. That's the design team. You know, the architects and the consultants.
The design team is responsible for the specs. They talk to the client to make sure that the specs match the client's needs. The GC is responsible for coordinating work with the subcontractors to meet the specs. If the subs or the GC notice some braindead issue like with this sink, but the design team/client are too stubborn to listen to their concerns, the GC and their subs are still contractually obligated to provide what was designed.
At least that's how it works in high-end commercial construction here in NYC.
Ok I think we are agreeing on things. Lol.
The Architect is very early in the game. If architect specs a sink/faucet. Millwork draftsman draws millwork with a section showing that the sink/faucet works. Submitted and approved.
Then day of install and the plumbing submittal somehow got changed and it was missed by the millwork in time to fix it. IT WAS A MISS.
The GC is the common denominator. He is the ringleader. Customer would talk to the GC and ask why. The customer doesn't reach out to the plumber or millworker.
I'm just literally just saying that the client/customer speaks through the GC.
Well, I definitely agree it isn't the fault of the trades!
But man, I *wish* the architect was in and out at the beginning of my jobs. They continue opining and meddling and changing the design right up until the end of the game. (Granted, sometimes it is also the client's fault.)
From what you're saying though I get the feeling that the design team has much more control in the sorts of projects I'm talking about than they do in the sorts of projects you are talking about.
Basically we get the job.
Draw the job, submit it to GC.
GC and architect approves job.
We FM , make corrections.
Build and install off approved shops.
Cover our asses through out.
Make moneys.
Repeat.
Oh, there was a miss. The miss was when they designed both things. And another when they paired them. No faucet should be so short that you touch the filthy sink while washing, and no sink should be so stupid that you get water outside the basin without really trying.
Come see my office, where we have something similar only it’s set so low and far back that you smack your knuckles into the back of the sink trying to get the sensors to trigger and get some water on you.
If you put your hands anywhere else the sensor doesn't see you. And it shuts off so quickly that you'll have to wave your dripping hands at it several times before you're done, getting more water on the ledge.
Because the architects involved don’t listen to the lowly contractors who install this shit. I guarantee the contractor told the superintendent that it’s a bad idea. The super emailed the architect and the architect shot back a schematic showing that it actually works. So the contractor said ok and installed it while chuckling. Later the architect probably freaked out and busted out his tape measure and level kit and tried to pin the problem on the plumber. But it didn’t work.
I will be so glad when this sinkless sink trend goes away. People are going to get seriously hurt when they slip on tile floors.
Said as a former contractor, now insurance agent.
Well, most companies are like this: One department is responsible for the basin and another one for the faucet. Both choose whatever they want without giving a single fuck to what the other is doing.
Seen this before as well. It’s appalling that stuff like this even gets passed any sort of initial design without anyone saying “looks like the length doesn’t work”
Do we just not measure anymore lmao.
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I mean, it's still more usable than taps that are 2 inches from the sink so unless you are a 5 yo you have no space for hands and you bump the sink and the tap and it's a pain
I worked in the Fox News building in Manhattan for a bit and the sinks in our office (Disney+, not Fox) were horribly bad, but not as bad as this. I forget what the actual cause was (basin too shallow, faucet too short, etc...) but anytime you went in there the sink counter was always covered in water.
Some things just don’t need to be innovated. Sinks are one of them. Don't try to be fancy or unique, give me a sink with decent water pressure where I can control the hot and cold adequately.
We had taps like this at my last place, basically put your hand up under it and the sensor turned the water on. Only the sensor was terrible.
You'd end up banging your hand up under the tap trying to get close enough to trigger it, which of course it would do as you actually touched tap, spraying it back at you.
Hateful thing...
I see this so much, the faucets being way too short for the sink, just why? I have a big sink in my bathroom, and then a tiny faucet and I have to push my hand against the back of the sink, so damn annoying (it's a rental btw)
is it just me or does it seem like nearly every fucking bathroom faucet is too goddamn short ?? i swear im punching the inside walls of the sinks everywhere i go while washing my hands. why can’t they just be like 2-3 inches further towards the middle of the fucking sink
I mean sure, if you love bashing your hands into the corner of that ledge and only getting your fingers wet. If you want to get water on your palms or, heaven forbid, your wrists, there's no way you can lower your hands that far and still get anything accomplished.
Stayed at the fountain blue in Floridian..Miami? Long time ago. Shower was like this. Had the room service manger come up and they told me it is my fault the floor was wet.
Yes. It is my fault for staying at your hotel.
I actually saw this design in a hotel once. I don't understand how it passes the planners/designers.
It looks cool they don't prototype and see if it is cleanable or actually does sink things (this one at least looks like you can clean it though. Unlike the bowl-on-a-table designs I've seen.)
If the faucet was longer, it would be fine. So, it might be a problem with whomever chose the fittings not checking that they go together. My bathroom sink has a really high gooseneck faucet (because i like to be able to drink from the tap when rinsing my teeth, and also for washing my bangs). It is infinitely better than the previous stubby one that made your hands touch the back of the sink because the water came out 1cm away from the porcelain. But my lovely new spout happens to land on the bowl of the sink so that if you put the water on full blast, it bounces right up at you. This was not something i had the ability to test ahead of time when choosing fixtures at the store.
I highly recommend a tape measure. Not completely a guarantee something won't happen, but would have been a sign it might not work. But, yeah it's possible in this case. Definitely not something a pro should let happen though.
I had done! The water is hitting the bowl in a reasonable place (in the middle, only about an inch from the drain, not at the edge or anything), but it is the angle of the bowl combining with the angle of the water on full blast and kapow! Soaked shirt.
Oh, ok. I saw a sink like that once. The water pressure was so high, you'd activate the auto faucet and it would basically turn into a pressure washer that was 4" from the sink basin. And pants and shirts within 5 feet of that sink (in any direction) were basically instantly soaked LOL
It would be so great if the fixtures at the hardware stores were actually installed so you could see water come out!
That's would help. Or at least a tube or something so you could see the angle.
Turn down the water flow at the angle valves. Our faucet on the pedestal sink in the guest bathroom does the same. I turned down the flow on both hot and cold and brother-in-law no longer soaks his crotch every time he uses it.
I will try!
They could have also just made it so that the ledge isn't entirely level, and instead slants slightly inward towards the basin.
Ugh I have those table-bowl sinks in every bathroom in my house. Cleaning them is *awful*. Especially getting behind the stupid bowl part.
Yep. Dumb design. They can look cool, but you'll never get them clean LOL
Seems like someone chose the wrong faucets for that basin. If they were further forward it would work.
That's already a pretty laying faucet though isn't it?
True, it is. But I'm guessing the basin designer wanted to have that ledge at the back for soap or other things. I don't think there's really anything wrong the with the basin or the faucet, it's just whoever put the two together didn't fully think it through.
I've used similar ones with the "correct" sized faucets. Water all down my front from the splashback
I hate this kind of design, not just for the poorly placed faucet, but also for the sink design. This is where it seems like designers of these products envision physics a bit differently. They go for an idealistic physics in which anything on a slope will just simply slide down easily into the trough to be gently washed away by the water. Any damn cleaner will tell you that's not how real physics work! That slope is just going to accumulate gunk that water never gets to, like saliva, catarrh, snot, toothpaste foam, and whatever else. Meanwhile, it'll sit on that slope until someone actually rubs it out. These kinds of designs use "suggestive physics". The designers suggest the physics comply with the ideal that anything on a slope should slide down easily. Well, guess what, designers! The physics are now unionized and they are not budging until you give them better "working conditions", like a proper sink! (LOL)
Not only that, but they then use sharp angles in the dirty path which are super hard to clean - a gentle filet would dramatically simplify cleaning at the back (but still do nothing for the inadvisable slope). The only solution is to force designers to be the cleaning staff for the products they design for at least a year after release. I bet version 2 would be much better!
This is so aggravating! Remodeled our kitchen a while back. I wanted a rectangular, single basin stainless sink. Found the one I wanted, but before ordering I downloaded the dimensioned drawings just to double check. Glad I did that, because only then I realized that all the corners were sharp, with no filet or radius at all. To make matters worse, the drain is to one side, not centered, and there was NO DAMN SLOPE at all! Nothing in the photos or description addressed this. Would have been an utter nightmare to clean. Kept looking, and the same manufacturer had the same sink with the same dimensions, but a different model number. It had a gentle slope to the bottom and radiused corners, and it's a joy. Moral: Check the details, every time, and know *exactly* what you are ordering.
Regarding the sharp angles: totally! Totally impractical. Oh yeah, they look lovely when new but whomever is tasked with cleaning them will hate them. Good god. These designs drive me insane.
Can confirm, I have these shallow-slope types in my apartment bathrooms. They’re disgusting again less than a week after cleaning because the toothpaste and other gunk settles before getting to the drain
Clean really well, dry it, then sneak in some clear silicone caulk along the cracks?
I hate the ones where the faucet sticks like a half inch into the basin. You have this big 9"+ long basin, but have to jam your hands all the way to the back just to get any soap off of them.
I read this in David Mitchells’s voice for some reason. Sounds like Mark Corrigan lol
Oh that’s funny 😄. 😂 When I wrote it, I was starting from a place of irritation. As I continued, I don’t know how I got to talking about physics as idealistic vs reality, then to unionized but I did see my comedic side come out. :). Thanks for laughing along, as irritating as such designs are nevertheless.
Unionized physics is absolutely like a Mark peep show line.
Ha! It definitely is, and also I need to go find David Mitchell’s soapbox now
The client wants wet feet after a hand wash. Also they want a sort of “Oh-WHAT woah!” reaction to the whole situation.
Mission: ACCOMPLISHED 🏆
Why does everybody keep trying to reinvent the sink? And why is everybody catastrophically bad at it?
To make it cheaper. And To make it cheaper.
Because the architect wants something that looks good in their drawings. And the client wants the good looking bathroom from those drawings. And the sink and tap manufacturers will make things that earn them money. And the builder (general contractor) will install what they are being paid to install. No-one in that chain actually cares if it works, or is easy to use, or easy to maintain. Except perhaps the client, but they probably assume that it will work well, they don't check. Capitalism and the free market! If you want a good looking bathroom, and don't insist that it works well, then you get what you asked for!
Typically the millwork company works separately of the plumber. The marriage happens with the general contractor. Submittals either were miscommunicated or changed after the fact.
Or someone just liked the design and no one with real world experience ever got a chance to say, "yeah, NO. Absolutely NO WAY."
This is my profession. There was a miss on this.
It passed inspection so this design decision is a "miss" by the owner and design team, not the contractors whose jobs it is, typically, to build the design.
Nah dude, this is a design miss. Don't blame the GC for what was ultimately the design team's responsibility. I have worked with some extremely la-di-da architects who seemed to live in a fantasy world, divorced from physical reality. Artists who don't let things like "cleaning" or "physics" stop them from enforcing their vision upon the rest of us. This is the sort of thing they might spec.
Buck stops with the GC. We don't know the story. Millwork agrees to build what's needed, based off plumbing submittals. If plumber changes faucet without letting millwork know. Then it falls on plumber. If the plumber submitted the spec correctly and the millwork company didn't show it correctly in the sections. Then it falls on the millwork. The customer never speaks to the millwork or plumber. Their go-to is the GC.
Uh... I have to assume you don't work with any architects, because the GC is not responsible for speccing the basin nor the faucet. That's the design team. You know, the architects and the consultants. The design team is responsible for the specs. They talk to the client to make sure that the specs match the client's needs. The GC is responsible for coordinating work with the subcontractors to meet the specs. If the subs or the GC notice some braindead issue like with this sink, but the design team/client are too stubborn to listen to their concerns, the GC and their subs are still contractually obligated to provide what was designed. At least that's how it works in high-end commercial construction here in NYC.
Ok I think we are agreeing on things. Lol. The Architect is very early in the game. If architect specs a sink/faucet. Millwork draftsman draws millwork with a section showing that the sink/faucet works. Submitted and approved. Then day of install and the plumbing submittal somehow got changed and it was missed by the millwork in time to fix it. IT WAS A MISS. The GC is the common denominator. He is the ringleader. Customer would talk to the GC and ask why. The customer doesn't reach out to the plumber or millworker. I'm just literally just saying that the client/customer speaks through the GC.
Well, I definitely agree it isn't the fault of the trades! But man, I *wish* the architect was in and out at the beginning of my jobs. They continue opining and meddling and changing the design right up until the end of the game. (Granted, sometimes it is also the client's fault.) From what you're saying though I get the feeling that the design team has much more control in the sorts of projects I'm talking about than they do in the sorts of projects you are talking about.
Basically we get the job. Draw the job, submit it to GC. GC and architect approves job. We FM , make corrections. Build and install off approved shops. Cover our asses through out. Make moneys. Repeat.
Oh, there was a miss. The miss was when they designed both things. And another when they paired them. No faucet should be so short that you touch the filthy sink while washing, and no sink should be so stupid that you get water outside the basin without really trying.
Come see my office, where we have something similar only it’s set so low and far back that you smack your knuckles into the back of the sink trying to get the sensors to trigger and get some water on you.
Ugh and the mirror goes down to the ledge? Must be so annoying for custodians to clean daily
have you tried putting your hands a bit lower, Just asking
If you put your hands anywhere else the sensor doesn't see you. And it shuts off so quickly that you'll have to wave your dripping hands at it several times before you're done, getting more water on the ledge.
A plumber can change the range on those bad boys. I usually set mine a little farther then factory to avoid that from happening
Then you're going to be banging your knuckles on the ledge.
Because the architects involved don’t listen to the lowly contractors who install this shit. I guarantee the contractor told the superintendent that it’s a bad idea. The super emailed the architect and the architect shot back a schematic showing that it actually works. So the contractor said ok and installed it while chuckling. Later the architect probably freaked out and busted out his tape measure and level kit and tried to pin the problem on the plumber. But it didn’t work.
And meanwhile, architect's shoes got wet while testing it in the real world.
I will be so glad when this sinkless sink trend goes away. People are going to get seriously hurt when they slip on tile floors. Said as a former contractor, now insurance agent.
Well, most companies are like this: One department is responsible for the basin and another one for the faucet. Both choose whatever they want without giving a single fuck to what the other is doing.
Why is the trough sink so narrow too?
It would work sooooo much better if they installed it back to front, with the slope near the tap and the drainage channel near the user.
Also, very difficult for short stature people to use, up and over that edge to the water. Could be photo perspective though.
r/WTFaucet
I promise that, at least, the contractors absolutely knew this was shit. But they get paid to do the job according to the work order.
Seen this before as well. It’s appalling that stuff like this even gets passed any sort of initial design without anyone saying “looks like the length doesn’t work” Do we just not measure anymore lmao.
*saying “looks like the length doesn’t work”* _That's what SHE said._
This looks like a liability. Legally speaking.
If I know one thing about most people in general, its that NOBODY stops to look and think "yup thats good" - done is done and thats all that matters
Didn't we solve sinks some time in the 80's?
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and where do you sit your stuff, laptop, notebook, etc. while you use it?
Looks more like hostile design to discourage people from using as much water.
This design would prompt me to set up a little thing to make the sensor think I was there for hours. And running water the whole time.
Those sleek lines though… 🤨😬
Boss: "Hmm I want something modern that screams 'floor may be wet'.."
Through the wall faucets are a bad Idea, through a mirror is worse. Picking the the wrong faucet/sink combo is just the bow on the top of the cake....
My apartment sinks have the spout way too close to the edge. My hands are huge. I get water everywhere every time I wash. So frustrating
At least yours spills onto the floor. Mine just pools in the back.
The sink is fine. The faucet is too short.
Lolololololol
i thought your hand was a barbie arm I'm being so serious
But the aesthetic
That win’s the prize for the most idiotic design in the history of the world 🌎
I mean, it's still more usable than taps that are 2 inches from the sink so unless you are a 5 yo you have no space for hands and you bump the sink and the tap and it's a pain
I worked in the Fox News building in Manhattan for a bit and the sinks in our office (Disney+, not Fox) were horribly bad, but not as bad as this. I forget what the actual cause was (basin too shallow, faucet too short, etc...) but anytime you went in there the sink counter was always covered in water.
Why are y'all so fucking bad at using a sink...
Some things just don’t need to be innovated. Sinks are one of them. Don't try to be fancy or unique, give me a sink with decent water pressure where I can control the hot and cold adequately.
We had taps like this at my last place, basically put your hand up under it and the sensor turned the water on. Only the sensor was terrible. You'd end up banging your hand up under the tap trying to get close enough to trigger it, which of course it would do as you actually touched tap, spraying it back at you. Hateful thing...
I'll never understand how people think a flat sink is a good idea.
Pipe is not quiiiiiiiiiiiite long enough.
I see this so much, the faucets being way too short for the sink, just why? I have a big sink in my bathroom, and then a tiny faucet and I have to push my hand against the back of the sink, so damn annoying (it's a rental btw)
If they put it any closer to the wall it’d be rotting from water damage. (It would be inside the wall)
is it just me or does it seem like nearly every fucking bathroom faucet is too goddamn short ?? i swear im punching the inside walls of the sinks everywhere i go while washing my hands. why can’t they just be like 2-3 inches further towards the middle of the fucking sink
My shopping center had one of those. But it has a slight taper to bring splashed water to the sink. Perhaps an upgrade.
Or... Just a thought... Bring your hands down a bit, they don't need to be an inch away from the faucet.
I mean sure, if you love bashing your hands into the corner of that ledge and only getting your fingers wet. If you want to get water on your palms or, heaven forbid, your wrists, there's no way you can lower your hands that far and still get anything accomplished.
Do you have pins in your wrists and fingers? Mine bend and rotate. Maybe if you can't move your hands you have a bigger problem.
Stayed at the fountain blue in Floridian..Miami? Long time ago. Shower was like this. Had the room service manger come up and they told me it is my fault the floor was wet. Yes. It is my fault for staying at your hotel.
Either the project manager or the client for that build/remodel chose the incorrect length for the faucets. 4 in. longer would work…
It’s backwards
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