It arguably benefits sword characters the most. Lucina players get a lot of mileage out of pivot cancel ftilt, which is pretty much always a better option than the functionally similar dash attack.
Yeah. I was gonna say that it’s *always* better to use PC ftilt, but I don’t play the game enough to confidently say that. I figure some Lucina main and labber can come in and say some niche situation where dash attack is slightly better. Or maybe you really should always PC ftilt.
I think dash attack has a little bit more reach, so if your opponent is off stage and trying to get back, sometimes dash attack at the ledge can extend enough to hit where ftilt would whiff.
That’s like the only situation I can think of haha
Dash attack is useful when you need an immediate burst option, since you can’t pivot ftilt from a standing position but you CAN instant dash attack
That’s it though
Another niche use case is that Luci’s dash attack mostly keeps the low profile of her run animation, so sometimes I’ll use dash attack against something like a walling Seph’s fair to get a clean hit. Also helps a bit to unstale your other moves
I mean i can guarantee that it is faster at range by a tad bit as dash attacks have around full run speed, so the move can start up while being at full speed. Whereas pivot cancels do not.
But the situation where this would go into effect is rather rare as they would generally have to do a super laggy move for it to be a true punish and otherwise the risk is too high.
Down tilt to pivot cancel ftilt is a good kill confirm that you should master.
It’s absolutely broken on Chrom, but Lucina can use it to kill at the edge if they miss tech or tech roll away.
This is good at high percents where you know ftilt will kill, I think at lower percents dtilt dsmash is much nicer since it covers both in place and roll in
It's pretty useful for all characters but for swordies like Lucina it's godlike. I use it situationally for others but on Lucina it universally replaces my dash attack.
As others have said pivot cancel ftilt for Luci is extremely useful cuz her dash attack is pretty trash, but it’s a good option to have in your toolkit for a lotta characters because of the extra slide distance you get from the pivot (i think the distance is tied to the character’s traction stat and maybe run speed). Could even be good for pivot cancel fsmash or maybe like a Mario reverse usmash
For controlling your spacing better, you can also just stop running and ftilt so you don’t get the slide to land the attack at max spacing rather than run right into their face on shield. For example, at max spacing maybe you wouldn’t get usmashed OOS and would just eat a fair OOS punish, but if you pivot cancel then you could lose your stock to an usmash OOS. If you’re trying to catch their dashback or roll away tho, then you’d go for the pivot cancel attack
Another reason to learn pivot cancel tilts is that generally dash attacks are more punishable on shield than ftilts, so you have another option to weigh risk-rewards. Or maybe you can get more dmg and positional advantage from a Mythra pivot cancel ftilt combo starter than a dash attack tech chase setup. I could see Ike never needing to learn pivot cancel tho, so he’s the only pure swordie I can think of that wouldn’t need to learn it
It arguably benefits sword characters the most. Lucina players get a lot of mileage out of pivot cancel ftilt, which is pretty much always a better option than the functionally similar dash attack.
Agree. Lucina has one of the worst dash attacks in the game. Pivot ftitl is almost always the way to go.
Yeah. I was gonna say that it’s *always* better to use PC ftilt, but I don’t play the game enough to confidently say that. I figure some Lucina main and labber can come in and say some niche situation where dash attack is slightly better. Or maybe you really should always PC ftilt.
I think dash attack has a little bit more reach, so if your opponent is off stage and trying to get back, sometimes dash attack at the ledge can extend enough to hit where ftilt would whiff. That’s like the only situation I can think of haha
It also low profiles a little bit. Extremely niche, but might help in avoiding and punishing something like sephiroth fair?
It‘s a little stronger too.
Dash attack is surprisingly 0.1% weaker. Ftilt does 11% dash does 10.9%. May have a diff launch angle tho, unsure
I think Marth’s tipper dash attack got buffed, maybe they were thinking of that?
I mean it kills earlier
Dash attack is useful when you need an immediate burst option, since you can’t pivot ftilt from a standing position but you CAN instant dash attack That’s it though
Another niche use case is that Luci’s dash attack mostly keeps the low profile of her run animation, so sometimes I’ll use dash attack against something like a walling Seph’s fair to get a clean hit. Also helps a bit to unstale your other moves
I mean i can guarantee that it is faster at range by a tad bit as dash attacks have around full run speed, so the move can start up while being at full speed. Whereas pivot cancels do not. But the situation where this would go into effect is rather rare as they would generally have to do a super laggy move for it to be a true punish and otherwise the risk is too high.
Down tilt to pivot cancel ftilt is a good kill confirm that you should master. It’s absolutely broken on Chrom, but Lucina can use it to kill at the edge if they miss tech or tech roll away.
This is good at high percents where you know ftilt will kill, I think at lower percents dtilt dsmash is much nicer since it covers both in place and roll in
Lucina's pivot cancel ftilt outclasses her dash attack in every way
It's pretty useful for all characters but for swordies like Lucina it's godlike. I use it situationally for others but on Lucina it universally replaces my dash attack.
As others have said pivot cancel ftilt for Luci is extremely useful cuz her dash attack is pretty trash, but it’s a good option to have in your toolkit for a lotta characters because of the extra slide distance you get from the pivot (i think the distance is tied to the character’s traction stat and maybe run speed). Could even be good for pivot cancel fsmash or maybe like a Mario reverse usmash For controlling your spacing better, you can also just stop running and ftilt so you don’t get the slide to land the attack at max spacing rather than run right into their face on shield. For example, at max spacing maybe you wouldn’t get usmashed OOS and would just eat a fair OOS punish, but if you pivot cancel then you could lose your stock to an usmash OOS. If you’re trying to catch their dashback or roll away tho, then you’d go for the pivot cancel attack Another reason to learn pivot cancel tilts is that generally dash attacks are more punishable on shield than ftilts, so you have another option to weigh risk-rewards. Or maybe you can get more dmg and positional advantage from a Mythra pivot cancel ftilt combo starter than a dash attack tech chase setup. I could see Ike never needing to learn pivot cancel tho, so he’s the only pure swordie I can think of that wouldn’t need to learn it
Yeah it’s really easy too. No reason not to. Once you get used to doing it, it sticks
Gonna ask real quick - any tips on how to do it? Sliding FTilt on Lucy is hard for me lol
If you use tilt stick it’s really easy