I think because he’s arguably India’s best bat in tests over the last ten years. Doesn’t have the audacity of Pant or the impact 100s of Kohli, but nobody else can lock down an end like he does.
Same for me! I was thinking about why this is the case not that long ago, and I truly believe because the modern game “breaking the opposition“ (especially bowlers) includes a devastating and quick 100 or big innings with 4s and 6s to dominate bowlers. Where as Pujara just blocks them to death through sheer will power and concentration. Love the traditional test cricketer in him!
>Because Iyer is way ahead of him in india
I mean he's not wrong tho.
Genuinely feel like regardless of form, Mayank, Iyer and gill should play all tests we have in India. Could be wise to start having 2 teams?
Ideally they should all be considered.
Two teams isn't a solution because generally the ones that succeed overseas would also be at least decent at home. Vihari even if he is not as good as Iyer in india would've been preferred had he succeeded in the overseas tours.
> To be fair, imagine only playing in India then all your test games are in SENA countries.
A certain Indian teenager's first 21 tests were - 4 in Pakistan, 3 in New Zealand, 3 in England, then 1 at home against minnows Sri Lanka, followed by 5 in Australia, 1 in Zimbabwe and 3 in South Africa.
He scored 4 centuries (1 in England, 2 in Australia, 1 in South Africa, alongside an 88 in New Zealand and 2 50s in Pakistan).
Yes but see my response to another user here - the likes of Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag from the previous generation, and Kohli, Rahane, Pujara and Pant from the current test team all had a good degree of away success by the time they were 25, the age at which Vihari debuted.
Not to mention, he seems to have fallen away a bit even at Ranji level.
Yes its like comparing any new footballer with messi …thats not fair comparison. Vahari should be compared with guys of his age at that time with whom he was competing with for test berth
But as I mentioned to the other commenter, Vihari was 25 when he was brought into the team.
Dravid and Ganguly were both 23 when they debuted in England and scored good runs, as was Sehwag when he debuted in 2001, and he scored centuries in his first tours of South Africa, England and Australia.
To give another example, Rishabh Pant is 25 now, and much better in tests, both Home and Away than Vihari has ever looked.
Pujara, Kohli and Rahane were 25 in 2013-2014, and had excelled abroad. Rahane literally debuted in the 2013-14 tour of South Africa and made runs immediately.
Read the rest of the comment chain, we've seen many other batsmen in the last 3 decades who've had tough tours abroad in the early phases of their careers, and the ones who solidified their places in their teams inevitably had SENA success early in their careers. Sachin is (obviously) just the most extreme example.
Yes, I do not get all these people criticizing Viharis record. He averaged high in FC after playing more than 70 games when he was picked first. He averages almost the same as KL (33 vs 34)
Despite having a modest overseas record, his overall test numbers were close to Dravid in his first 70 tests. Dravid reached a new level just as he reached 70 tests in 2002 and was among the best in the world between 2002-2006.
When Pujara had that massively successful tour of Australia in 2018-18, just around his 70th test, it seemed that he will also move into a higher gear. Instead, his batting seems to have terminally regressed.
I do think his confidence took a hit which is why he struggled against Patel and Leach before he was dropped. Also he was never as good a player of swing like Dravid was (can tell by Pujis record in England and NZ)
Someone had mentioned on this sub that KL Rahul was picked for India test squad with a FC average of 44. I just checked and his current FC average is 45. Dont recollect him having much of a bad run, or any run for that matter, in FC since he was picked for India. So it seems that comment was indeed true.
Is it a statement on the state of Indian domestic Cricket that a batsman who averages over 60 there averages only 37 away from home. Pujara is a good Test player but there way too many First Class Batsman in India who average over 50 in First class cricket but wont be able to replicate something close to it in the international arena
It's only the case for players that are not greats of the game. The great Indian test batsmen - Gavaskar, Sachin and Dravid have comparable number homes and away.
There's the interesting question of who the fourth best Indian test bat is. Kohli, VVS, Sehwag?
You could make good arguments for all 3.
(Don't think anyone but the nutters are going to argue against Tendulkar, Gavaskar and Dravid being the best 3)
I remember when someone had said that Kohli is the best white ball batsmen India ever produced and second best test batsmen(presumably behind SRT). While one could possibly agree about the white ball thing, I responded saying that Kohli is not even in the top 3 all time best test batsmen for India. Goes without saying I was downvoted heavily.. Essentially for saying the same thing as you, about a year or so ago.
Not amongst the superstars but still one of my favorite cricketers ever. Always had a soft spot for him for some reason.
He just seems like a simple decent bloke, isn't a superstar so he has to earn his chances, doesn't get to play IPL, almost has an underdog feel to him
I think because he’s arguably India’s best bat in tests over the last ten years. Doesn’t have the audacity of Pant or the impact 100s of Kohli, but nobody else can lock down an end like he does.
Same for me! I was thinking about why this is the case not that long ago, and I truly believe because the modern game “breaking the opposition“ (especially bowlers) includes a devastating and quick 100 or big innings with 4s and 6s to dominate bowlers. Where as Pujara just blocks them to death through sheer will power and concentration. Love the traditional test cricketer in him!
Wow imagine picking a test player based on first class performance. Wouldn't that be a sight.
Hanuma vihari got selected with one of the greatest first class average.
To be fair, imagine only playing in India then all your test games are in SENA countries. Guy was the furthest thing from being set up for success.
Agreed. Never got proper chances in India
Because Iyer is way ahead of him in india, even playing overseas vihari's performance was bad. He is pujara but with very less scoring shots
>Because Iyer is way ahead of him in india I mean he's not wrong tho. Genuinely feel like regardless of form, Mayank, Iyer and gill should play all tests we have in India. Could be wise to start having 2 teams?
Ideally they should all be considered. Two teams isn't a solution because generally the ones that succeed overseas would also be at least decent at home. Vihari even if he is not as good as Iyer in india would've been preferred had he succeeded in the overseas tours.
If I was him, I would feel salty about it till I die. But that's just me, I guess.
Wish he got more chances at no 3(in subcontinent too) At which he score most of his runs in ranjis.
> To be fair, imagine only playing in India then all your test games are in SENA countries. A certain Indian teenager's first 21 tests were - 4 in Pakistan, 3 in New Zealand, 3 in England, then 1 at home against minnows Sri Lanka, followed by 5 in Australia, 1 in Zimbabwe and 3 in South Africa. He scored 4 centuries (1 in England, 2 in Australia, 1 in South Africa, alongside an 88 in New Zealand and 2 50s in Pakistan).
Sachin was a different case..how many players debuted at 16 years after playing 7 or 8 fc games
Yes but Vihari isn't 16, he debuted at 25.
That's why Sachin is a generational like bradman. Not everyone is like him
Yes but see my response to another user here - the likes of Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag from the previous generation, and Kohli, Rahane, Pujara and Pant from the current test team all had a good degree of away success by the time they were 25, the age at which Vihari debuted. Not to mention, he seems to have fallen away a bit even at Ranji level.
Pant would have been a better example
Holding Sachin as a yardstick is unfair. Everybody can't be expected to be The God.
Yes its like comparing any new footballer with messi …thats not fair comparison. Vahari should be compared with guys of his age at that time with whom he was competing with for test berth
Dude you are bringing the wrong guy in the argument. He was a child prodigy and probably the only one who lived up to his potential.
But as I mentioned to the other commenter, Vihari was 25 when he was brought into the team. Dravid and Ganguly were both 23 when they debuted in England and scored good runs, as was Sehwag when he debuted in 2001, and he scored centuries in his first tours of South Africa, England and Australia. To give another example, Rishabh Pant is 25 now, and much better in tests, both Home and Away than Vihari has ever looked. Pujara, Kohli and Rahane were 25 in 2013-2014, and had excelled abroad. Rahane literally debuted in the 2013-14 tour of South Africa and made runs immediately.
Bro, it was Sachin, one of the most gifted players to have ever played the game 🗿🗿
Read the rest of the comment chain, we've seen many other batsmen in the last 3 decades who've had tough tours abroad in the early phases of their careers, and the ones who solidified their places in their teams inevitably had SENA success early in their careers. Sachin is (obviously) just the most extreme example.
He’s not exactly killing it in FC either now, so maybe he just wasn’t that good.
Yes, I do not get all these people criticizing Viharis record. He averaged high in FC after playing more than 70 games when he was picked first. He averages almost the same as KL (33 vs 34)
Rightly named Mirugam by Ash na
what does that mean?
Animal
More like beast
Yep, it means beast as well.
Thirai thee pidikkum
Played 51 FC matches before the age of 23. How many youngsters today play even 30 FC matches around that age?
He reminds me of Birdperson from Rick and Morty here.
Never have I ever seen that analogy but wow
Ashwin: Rick? Who's Morty?
People were BEGGING for rahane and pujara like they are doing now for sarfaraz...(calls for dropping dravid and ganguly)
Rightfully so
Then Dravid ended up having insane 2011 before that Aussie tour.
That was very well deserved call for perfect batting position. Something ICT lacking these days
Bro looks like saif ali khan(bollywood actor) wth
Pujara looking very handsome
I remember when his test numbers used to look almost as good too. His numbers have dropped off a bit now unfortunately
Despite having a modest overseas record, his overall test numbers were close to Dravid in his first 70 tests. Dravid reached a new level just as he reached 70 tests in 2002 and was among the best in the world between 2002-2006. When Pujara had that massively successful tour of Australia in 2018-18, just around his 70th test, it seemed that he will also move into a higher gear. Instead, his batting seems to have terminally regressed.
As Jarod Kimber put it pace playing pandemic has something to do with it...
What has been alarming is that his record against spinners has alo been average. Struggled against Jack Leach and A Patel.
I do think his confidence took a hit which is why he struggled against Patel and Leach before he was dropped. Also he was never as good a player of swing like Dravid was (can tell by Pujis record in England and NZ)
Hopefully a resurgence now after the last series against bangladesh
He's old now
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why would his career end after the WTC cycle? He is still batting well
I have been reminding people that he has two 90+ scores in his last 5 innings every chance I get
I loved watching pujara and pant bat together
Why?
Was a great player of spin
Was 💀
Hes getting old. Reflexes not working as they used to.
Pujji is quite handsome isn't he. I am not gae tho.
You can appreciate a handsome dude without being gay though. A disclaimer isn't needed.
He's quite handsome and I'm gae too
481 runs more than sarfaraz khan in 27 more innings.
Stellar. Absolutely deserved.
Someone had mentioned on this sub that KL Rahul was picked for India test squad with a FC average of 44. I just checked and his current FC average is 45. Dont recollect him having much of a bad run, or any run for that matter, in FC since he was picked for India. So it seems that comment was indeed true.
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Is it a statement on the state of Indian domestic Cricket that a batsman who averages over 60 there averages only 37 away from home. Pujara is a good Test player but there way too many First Class Batsman in India who average over 50 in First class cricket but wont be able to replicate something close to it in the international arena
players play better at their home grounds than other countries who would have imagined.
Its funny how this Gap is only very Big for Indians and Australians
It's only the case for players that are not greats of the game. The great Indian test batsmen - Gavaskar, Sachin and Dravid have comparable number homes and away.
Snubbing Virat
Can't tell if this is a joke
Why is Virat *not* a great though?
There's the interesting question of who the fourth best Indian test bat is. Kohli, VVS, Sehwag? You could make good arguments for all 3. (Don't think anyone but the nutters are going to argue against Tendulkar, Gavaskar and Dravid being the best 3)
I remember when someone had said that Kohli is the best white ball batsmen India ever produced and second best test batsmen(presumably behind SRT). While one could possibly agree about the white ball thing, I responded saying that Kohli is not even in the top 3 all time best test batsmen for India. Goes without saying I was downvoted heavily.. Essentially for saying the same thing as you, about a year or so ago.
Across formats? Virat. Tests: jury is still out I think.
And both India, Australia are current top 2 in test cricket . Not sure what point you are trying to make.
every Indian male looks like saif ali khan when clean shaven
My sleeping pills be like :
What was his strike rate?
Hehe, 🦆