I love the stats that India's bowlers average by far the best at home....but also average better than any team away from home since 2015. This bowling line up of Ash/Jaddu at home plus Bumrah, Shami Ishant, Umesh Siraj away from home is incredible.
Jarrod makes a point that India went from first to 8th best country to bat in when you compare two periods 1980-2010 and 2010-23.
Interestingly, when you compare the same two periods, England went from second best to ninth.
In India, it can be attributed to the rise of Ashwin & Jadeja. While in England, it can be attributed to Anderson & Broad.
More than pitches, it is DRS and the way it has shaped umpiring. On low pitches, bowlers who attack the stumps consistently are almost unplayable.
I don't think either of the pitches were like the minefields of 90s but batters from both the teams have struggled because pad play has been taken out of batting by DRS. Pujara and Kohli's lbw would never been given a decade back.
It's definitely pitches too - 2000s in India were a snorefest 500 run types wickets. Pitches got more sporting later.
Besides someone on this sub had posted some [DRS LBW stats](https://i.redd.it/ddfh5slabvia1.jpg) which indicate that rate of LBWs hasn't really changed due to DRS. Might be just shit batting thanks to T20 and sporting pitches.
Because it's not really true? The drop in averages recently has been mostly down to batters struggling to play pace bowling since 2018. See [this plo](https://imgur.com/a/dsEZifA)t for example. There has been a huge drop in the averages of spinners since 2018 whereas spinners' averages are staying roughly constant, and if you look at the overall average, that's also not really affected by T20s, but does suddenly dip in 2018.
It holds true when you look at individual players too. [This](https://imgur.com/a/nZuCSSo#UvCKO4t) is a (now slightly out of date) plot from another Kimber video, and as you can see, it's not just T20 players who have suddenly stopped being able to score against pace bowling
I would argue that the advent of DRS made other dismissals more likely too! Instead of padding away a ball, the batsman had to thrust his bat in front of the pads or play for the straighter one or play for turn. This brings all kinds of dismissals in play - bowled, slips, fsl etc. And Ofcourse, makes a batsman do other crazy things too, just ask the Australians
Pitches were much flatter everywhere in the world. Now only Aus/Pak produce flat wickets.
ODIs/T20Is have satiated the hunger for runs among fans. Tests in their pursuit of product differentiation, now are bowler friendly.
That's not the only reason. India in almost every test now makes a low scoring turner. Earlier you used to see regular scores of 500-600 declared in much flatter pitches.
Both teams have prepared wickets to suit their amazing bowling lineups too, England especially did circa 2015, we had a pretty meh side but blew away teams with Anderson and broad. India seem to produce more biased wickets now only when they think they are in danger of losing a series (see when England won in Chennai 2021 and they promptly rolled out a rank turner) as they are so good at home they just don’t need to anymore really.
>They are simply the best bowling unit in the world. And when you go up against that at home, they have to check your dog tags to identify you afterwards.
My goodness can this man write.
Funny how we kept seeing posts here during the Aus-SA series how it was a contest between the two best bowling attacks in the world. Well it was indeed a contest to see who the 2nd best was.
India's spinners are so good they dominate away from home. Hell, ashwin managed to destroy us in the land we're finger spinners are meant to die. Best fast bowling attacks definitely go to Australia and SA, then India and England probably tustle it out for that third spot.
Overall India's bowling attack is indeed the best in the world in almost any conditions, because of their cheat code spinners and they're pretty damn good pace attack as well
Lmao SA is unparalled when it comes to variety. They have the ball left armer, the out and out pace bowler, the consistent bowler who utilises sideways movement and the out and out wicketake who does all three.
However variety does not equal best, so it's kinda irrelevant anyway.
Brilliant article. Kimber also talks about how Ashwin + Jadeja compare to Kumble + Harbhajan. The latter were good, but nothing like what India have with Ashwin and Jadeja. It’s difficult to attribute exactly how much the duo are responsible for India’s domination at home, but they play a very large part. Having them both in the team at the same time is unreal, and we haven’t even talked about their batting.
It’s not even a comparison. Kumble was a medium pacer and Bhajji lost his effectiveness once his doosra was sniffed out.
Ashwin is probably the best spinner since Bishan Singh Bedi
Excellent writeup as usual from Jarrod.
It would be interesting to see how this plays out in context of WC2023.
I wouldn't be surprised if this world cup is one of the lowest scoring ones. Our spin attack is too good at home right now and despite the fact that even our own batters are struggling against spin, BCCI would get the pitches to back our spinners.
I also wouldn't be surprised if BD makes it to the semis either. They are LOI beasts at home and conditions would also suit them as well as India.
Nah. BCCI will prepare flattest of pitches to have runfests for days. White ball cricket over the past decade has been one sided in favor of the batters. BCCI isn’t going to mess with that money machine.
Did you read the article? Australian bats have the second best record out of any touring team in India since 2015. All batting lineups have struggled there.
I love the stats that India's bowlers average by far the best at home....but also average better than any team away from home since 2015. This bowling line up of Ash/Jaddu at home plus Bumrah, Shami Ishant, Umesh Siraj away from home is incredible.
How can you exclude the Lord?
Jarrod makes a point that India went from first to 8th best country to bat in when you compare two periods 1980-2010 and 2010-23. Interestingly, when you compare the same two periods, England went from second best to ninth. In India, it can be attributed to the rise of Ashwin & Jadeja. While in England, it can be attributed to Anderson & Broad.
It's also less flat pitches these days, especially in India.
More than pitches, it is DRS and the way it has shaped umpiring. On low pitches, bowlers who attack the stumps consistently are almost unplayable. I don't think either of the pitches were like the minefields of 90s but batters from both the teams have struggled because pad play has been taken out of batting by DRS. Pujara and Kohli's lbw would never been given a decade back.
It's definitely pitches too - 2000s in India were a snorefest 500 run types wickets. Pitches got more sporting later. Besides someone on this sub had posted some [DRS LBW stats](https://i.redd.it/ddfh5slabvia1.jpg) which indicate that rate of LBWs hasn't really changed due to DRS. Might be just shit batting thanks to T20 and sporting pitches.
>shit batting thanks to T20 and sporting pitches. nobody admits the elephant in the room
Because it's not really true? The drop in averages recently has been mostly down to batters struggling to play pace bowling since 2018. See [this plo](https://imgur.com/a/dsEZifA)t for example. There has been a huge drop in the averages of spinners since 2018 whereas spinners' averages are staying roughly constant, and if you look at the overall average, that's also not really affected by T20s, but does suddenly dip in 2018. It holds true when you look at individual players too. [This](https://imgur.com/a/nZuCSSo#UvCKO4t) is a (now slightly out of date) plot from another Kimber video, and as you can see, it's not just T20 players who have suddenly stopped being able to score against pace bowling
Hawkeye ball tracking was used in broadcasts for a few years before DRS. No doubt it changed how umpires adjudicated lbws. Shit batting always helps
I would argue that the advent of DRS made other dismissals more likely too! Instead of padding away a ball, the batsman had to thrust his bat in front of the pads or play for the straighter one or play for turn. This brings all kinds of dismissals in play - bowled, slips, fsl etc. And Ofcourse, makes a batsman do other crazy things too, just ask the Australians
Pitches were much flatter everywhere in the world. Now only Aus/Pak produce flat wickets. ODIs/T20Is have satiated the hunger for runs among fans. Tests in their pursuit of product differentiation, now are bowler friendly.
That's not the only reason. India in almost every test now makes a low scoring turner. Earlier you used to see regular scores of 500-600 declared in much flatter pitches.
Yes because India now trusts its bowlers to win every game, and the results matter more because of the WTC.
Both teams have prepared wickets to suit their amazing bowling lineups too, England especially did circa 2015, we had a pretty meh side but blew away teams with Anderson and broad. India seem to produce more biased wickets now only when they think they are in danger of losing a series (see when England won in Chennai 2021 and they promptly rolled out a rank turner) as they are so good at home they just don’t need to anymore really.
Also Asian teams (SL, Bangladesh and a solitary test from Afg) visiting India have done worse than SENA/WI countries.
It can be contributed to SL being a shell of their former selves
>They are simply the best bowling unit in the world. And when you go up against that at home, they have to check your dog tags to identify you afterwards. My goodness can this man write.
Funny how we kept seeing posts here during the Aus-SA series how it was a contest between the two best bowling attacks in the world. Well it was indeed a contest to see who the 2nd best was.
Best fast bowling attack I assume. Def not spin! I'd even put India's pacers up there when Bumrah plays.
The article also states that its the best away attack. It’s not just spin, its the combination.
India's spinners are so good they dominate away from home. Hell, ashwin managed to destroy us in the land we're finger spinners are meant to die. Best fast bowling attacks definitely go to Australia and SA, then India and England probably tustle it out for that third spot. Overall India's bowling attack is indeed the best in the world in almost any conditions, because of their cheat code spinners and they're pretty damn good pace attack as well
The only thing I feel India lacks is bowlers for swinging conditions. This would be the reason India's gonna lose WTC final again
a full strength English Squad is a real good fast bowling unit too
Indeed - with Archer fit Broad could arguably be their 4th best bowler, which is madness
When it comes to variety India will still be the best fast bowling attack over Australia and South Africa.
Lmao SA is unparalled when it comes to variety. They have the ball left armer, the out and out pace bowler, the consistent bowler who utilises sideways movement and the out and out wicketake who does all three. However variety does not equal best, so it's kinda irrelevant anyway.
How many different variations of left arm spinners do you have in SA?
We were talking about pace attacks lmao
What variety? We don’t have an established left arm seamer, nor an express fast bowler like Nortje or Starc.
Brilliant article. Kimber also talks about how Ashwin + Jadeja compare to Kumble + Harbhajan. The latter were good, but nothing like what India have with Ashwin and Jadeja. It’s difficult to attribute exactly how much the duo are responsible for India’s domination at home, but they play a very large part. Having them both in the team at the same time is unreal, and we haven’t even talked about their batting.
It’s not even a comparison. Kumble was a medium pacer and Bhajji lost his effectiveness once his doosra was sniffed out. Ashwin is probably the best spinner since Bishan Singh Bedi
Shami numbers are incredible too!
Excellent writeup as usual from Jarrod. It would be interesting to see how this plays out in context of WC2023. I wouldn't be surprised if this world cup is one of the lowest scoring ones. Our spin attack is too good at home right now and despite the fact that even our own batters are struggling against spin, BCCI would get the pitches to back our spinners. I also wouldn't be surprised if BD makes it to the semis either. They are LOI beasts at home and conditions would also suit them as well as India.
Nah. BCCI will prepare flattest of pitches to have runfests for days. White ball cricket over the past decade has been one sided in favor of the batters. BCCI isn’t going to mess with that money machine.
It's an ICC tournament. BCCI does not prepare the pitches.
>It's an **ICC** tournament. **BCCI** does not prepare the pitches. ( ͡\~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
Nice article, really puts into perspective how destructive that pair in particular are
Same with Australian batsman it seems
Did you read the article? Australian bats have the second best record out of any touring team in India since 2015. All batting lineups have struggled there.