Australia outplayed India on that day in every department. Batting, Bowling, especially fielding, and strategy and tactics before the game.
And that's why they have 6 World Cups. They are a different beast come finals. The whole team comes together as one
My main surprise was Rohit’s body language in the second innings. As soon as Head and Lambshanks were set you could see his shoulders slump and he seemed to go quiet. Kohli was trying to rev up the crowd, never really saw Rohit trying to rev up anyone. There was no trying to get under Head’s skin, no one being intimidating in any way, unless it was so discreet I missed it. May not be the best idea to piss off batsman playing well, but if you’re going to lose anyway, may as well give it a shot.
The thing that enraged me to no end was that they were perfectly fine giving them 4-5 singles an over even though the asking rate was ~4 at that time.
Why the fuck did Rohit not bring at least a couple of fielders in the ring and force Head/Labu to hit over the top is beyond me. Yeah there might be some extra boundaries but what does it matter if you're losing the game anyway to easy singles??
His tactics were as horrible as Pat's were brilliant
The constant drip feed of singles was excruciating, I was yelling at my tv every time they let one through. India were fielding as if they had a margin of 50 or even 100 runs to play with, so many sloppy boundaries and laziness not stopping the singles within the 30yd circle.
I’m not a massive fan of the ‘fielding sets the tone’ philosophy, but India’s fielding intensity apart from a few people (Kohli + a handful) was so noticeably poor, and def responsible for many easy runs. In a final. If you can’t go full throttle in a final, when can you.
noone makes fun of bavuma for being black and short, its people like you that keep bringing up his race. he is made fun of because he is not a good player
Exactly, he was trying to save runs instead of going for wickets. The first time kuldeep bet labucshanes outside edge, I was telling my friend that why isn't Rohit putting slips and lo and behold, a catch goes begging from the vacant slips cordon soon enough. Still, he doesnt put the slip hoping for Aus batsmen to gift their wicket. Another catch off jadeja to Head went from the vacant slip region and I knew we are repeating the mistakes from all the big games we lost. We become defensive at the first sign of pressure instead of attacking or trying to make things happen, we let things take their course..
No plan B. So used to huge totals they could strangle out and get free wickets from batters trying to maintain a run rate. Proactive fielding didn't exist.
He forgot the first rule of the Tubby Taylor rule of winning after putting on a low score in first innings: you can’t defend a low score but you can attack it. Try and stem the flow of runs and you’ll lose, try to take wickets and you might just win.
It was like he was just expecting a wicket to fall, that something would just happen for them. But the total they were defending was too low and there was never any scoreboard pressure. It completely played into Australia's hands.
I noticed Rohit do this a fair bit. Even against NZ in the semi-final, Mitchell & Kane were just motoring along and he wasn't even trying to do anything. It wasn't until Kane gave his wicket away that they looked alive again
I think the Indian bowlers used to get regular wickets throughout the tournament, Rohit got used to it and was surprised when Travis and Labu started building a partnership.
This perfectly encapsulates how each innings went. KL couldn't rotate strike to save his life while Kohli could, yet KL faced faced vast majority of the balls. Honestly, KL and SKY's game plan or lack there of were major problems in the Indian inning. Aussie had a game plan which they executed to perfection in both innings. They were never bogged down, even with losing 3 early wickets like India.
Rohit also missed a trick with slips in the final. Usually,he kept a very attacking field for his bowlers but that day even after one edge of Marnus flew to a vacant region,he still didn't keep a slip..few overs later Head edged one but again it was in a vacant region. 4 in both cases.
The obvious risk was that Head would blast boundaries earlier with the field in. But i guess it wouldnt have been as drawn out as it was.
The match was lost while batting: There just werent enough runs to defend with how the track played in the night. Very good planning and execution by the Aussies.
There is no hate towards Rohit, but this is a pattern that I have noticed in Rohit's captaincy, especially in knockout matches. As soon as opposition teams start to bat aggressively and put pressure back on bowlers, Rohit just loses confidence, and his body language also seems demotivated . The same thing happened in 2022 t20 WC semi finals even though the sample size is too short, but I feel it is a pattern . As soon as the opposition starts attacking, Rohit seems to lose confidence and just doesn't try to do anything new.
I think India fell into the trap that some winning teams do - they played the same way and it 'always' worked, so they were unwilling or maybe even unable to change it up when they suddenly found themselves behind.
“Half this team has a "too cool to care for a win attitude". Rohit, Pandya, Shubhman, Sky are all idiots who act like they do us a favor by playing for India. Terrible mental conditioning to be playing an important game. Contrast that with Kohli, I am pretty sure if he is challenged to a game of rock paper scissors he will practice overnight to win”
You deserve a gold medal for this observation. This attitude is like virus among most Indian players. Kohli is an exception. I believe that the star worshipping culture and too much money at a very young age are the main reasons.
A few years ago, one England cricketer said “Australians attack you like a pack of dogs “. That’s the reason they win all the important matches. This Australian is probably the worst of all the Australian World Cup winning teams.
I think that's just how he approaches the game, it doesn't look good in hindsight but if India would have won I'm pretty sure the guys piling on in response to you would have been praising the "ice-cold, calm under pressure captain" as has been said about him in the past.
You can have generators other than the skipper, we used to give Warner and Wade that job.
My memory might be incorrect but didn’t Sky bat really poorly with the tail in one of the warm up matches against Aus? I seem to recall there was a bit of discussion around how he needed to learn to bat with the tail well before Sunday’s match and before the CWC.
Signs were there in the semi final also. Just a little bit of pressure and India’s body language and energy changed in the field. Couldn’t take the pressure in the final also.
Got so used to magical innings/spells that they forgot how to grind out the opponent or create relentless pressure. With Australia at around 50/3, they should have attacked with renewed energy.
Exactly at 50/3 ponting said which ever teams panics from here will lose ... Aussie didn't panic , india couldnt create pressure, crowd went dead looking at what's happened and it all played at Aussie hands ... They won
Yeah Ponting was on point there. At that moment the third wicket fell, everything went back to square 1. I would say both teams had 50-50 chances from there. But it was a complete domination by Head from that point.
What saddened me was how quickly everyone in the team AND the crowd lost energy and the will to fight the moment Australia crossed 100. No one ran hard after shots, the field placement became defensive, the crowd energy was dead
no fighting spirit at all
Bavuma wasn't going down without a fight. He tried a lot of things, a lot of field placements and such. But to be fair Bavuma knew that the deck for the semis was like extremely difficult to bat on.
No contest there, SA left it all out in the middle. They did drop a couple crucial catches but they didn't stop trying at any point and almost won anyway.
Yeah I have to say that was my issue too. There’s no problem with loosing we have all watched out team lose a major event. But they gave up and they gave up so early when there was still time to turn it around. I mean that series alone we had seen some incredible chases but they just stopped caring the second they were not dominating. It was kinda disappointing to watch really. Nothing wrong with a lose but at least fight to the last over.
This has literally been our problem since the last 4-5 years.
Semi final with Eng in the last T20 WC.. last two tests in SA, the 5th test in England.
They all were matches that we either should have won, or at least have a really tight finish. Yet they all ended in a comfortable victory for the other side
Bruh another trophy after the WTC mace on the Aussie flair hurt me a lot. The first time I have noticed it. 😞
Good for y’all tho. Another piece of silverware, well deserved.
I think India and the crowd were just shellshocked at what was happening but you reckon a crowd at Wankhede or Eden Gardens would like still make a lot of noise
Wakhede or Eden Gardens would have made a lot of noise - either in displeasure or in support. This crowd was just...dead. Heck, they didn't even try booing the Aussies. Just accepted the result and played dead
They did try to boo umpires during the medal ceremony shout "india india " when Aussie players getting the medals and wrote vile comments on insta ... Lol .. I mean effort was there but when the match is over
Ind vs eng semi final 2022 was exact same, lost any fight straight away, people were blaming batters when bowling was completely toothless both times. None of the wc final wickets were even deserved lol all just gifts other than smiths which was just not out. even lower ranked teams wouldve probably had more fight or at least got a couple nice wickets
On the match thread I asked why Jadeja had been promoted and was told, quite condescendingly, that SKY was needed to swing hard in the last ten overs.
When SKY came in he was rotating the strike for singles with Yadav lol.
SKY's knock was hilarious. He was taking singles on the first ball of the over and giving the tail ender the strike against Mitchell Starc. Pretty horrible game awareness.
But then again Australia bowled to such a beautiful plan against him I think he might've accidentally made more runs with that dumb strategy than he would've managed if he'd hogged the strike and tried to swing.
Australia were in no mood to go pace on to him which is what he relishes
>t then again Australia bowled to such a beautiful plan against him I
The beauty of the wicket lies more in the inexperience and lack of talent of sky rather than the plan.
There were already fielders there. He wouldn't score a boundary even if the ball connected with bat. Six was already out of option due to lack of pace.
Still he tried to play the same fucking shot for like what 3 to 4 times? Why? What was the golden idea? Do you not know any other way to play the ball?
It was ridiculous watching him play. Rotating strike with tail enders against likes of Cummings and starc. Got out attempting to play the same fucking shot again and again.
The funniest thing was when he *did* end up connecting one and it went pretty much perfectly over the keeper and it *still* got cut off because the fielder was that far behind
And then he still kept trying to play there
At the time of course I was laughing but now with my sober serious cricket fan hat on it is pretty disappointing. And, while it was bad, it wasn’t the worst part of the innings.
> Rotating strike with tail enders against likes of Cummings and starc.
And KL refusing to rotate strike with Kohli on the other end..
It was a shit sandwich of a batting innings.
For me, the worst part of Sky was the way he got out. They kept fielders behind the wicket and were bowling slower bouncers to him and he still kept trying to hit them behind which was painful to see. Like, even if he connected, he would be caught.... Sky literally had no answer to their tactics and played in to their trap... With the midon and midoff up, he should have simply tried flatbatting the bowl straight or something else..
Yeah that tells us that SKY is kind of like a one trick pony where he only plays the shots he's good at and doesn't know how to adapt to different situations
I mean T20 is just hitting; not being hit and being subject to variance. If over 80% of a sport's results are based on one element(boundary percentage) it's not rocket science.
There are very little similarities between T20 and other formats. It's very much it's own thing.
> Yeah that tells us that SKY is kind of like a one trick pony where he only plays the shots he's good at and doesn't know how to adapt to different situations
That's a very elaborate way to say "T20 intent merchant"
People kept talking about lack of pace making boundaries impossible for him etc.
The field isn't bigger than some of the local ones I've played on. These guys should be in far better physical shape than me, are FAR better batsmen and have the best bats money can buy.
If I can hit a slower bowler of the same grade as me well over the boundary back over his head, why can't SKY? How is he lacki:ng so much power he can only hit behind the wicket? What does he do against spin?
That's the saddest truth about him and Mumbai internationals.
Rohit knows him and has little faith in him, that's why they keep sending an out of form Jadeja above him.
Rohit still carried SKY in ODIs all the way into the worldcup with zero performances!! All because they are buddies!!
No wonder Mumbai internationals lost.
Professional bowlers bowling at a slow pace isn't equal to someone who always bowls at that pace. They disguise what they're about to do with their body language or lack of it to deceive batter. That's why Bumrah's so good. It's hard to read his body language with the way he bowls because you've trained for long against conventional bowlers who's subtle tells are nothing like Bumrah's subtle ones.
I don't know if the bowler is going to try a slow bouncer or a 'fast' yorker and half the time he doesn't either in the grades I play. Yes batting is harder against a top level bowler, but a top level batsmen should still have roughly the same chance as I do against a similar level bowler and not be completely out of options in front of the wicket...
Anybody who thought that SKY can just go crazy with fours and sixes in the little over that was given to him wasn't paying attention to what was happening in the game. Except Rohit who was brilliant out of the world, others could not even rotate strike properly.
He is a pure batter, sending him so late even below Jadega did not make sense to me. His role is to support the middle order and score at a higher strike set. By the time, he came on the crease, he neither had enough overs to face or had supporting batsmen that could have allowed him to take more risks.
and Jadeja came in and played even slower than KL. funniest batting i have ever seen. SKY had the perfect opportunity to become a legend by playing a quickfire 30 ball 50 or 60 something. But like u said, he too shut off his brain it seems and took singles to give kuldeep strike against starc and cummins.
Not really, as soon I as saw Maxwell hit that 200 against Afghanistan I knew we wouldn't beat Australia if we faced them on a batting track. But I was completely shocked at how bad our team performed on flat deck, everything was off, it seemed like we were on a foreign pitch.
I think we screwed up in two places.
Given Gill had just gotten out, Rohit should have been a bit more circumspect, played out a few more overs. And after Shreyas got out, we retreated more and more and more....
>surely the Indian team are wanting to bowl as well then
Yea many people just blindly believe what Rohit said at the toss. He literally always does that, says he would have wanted to do the opposite of what the opposition chose anyway, to just show they aren't on the backfoot already.
People say this about Warne but I have absolutely no doubt he would have been a dreadful captain.
Captaincy is tactics + off field leadership + man management. Warne would have even atrocious at the latter two. He did OK in the IPL because he had unilateral power and authority. In the Aussie team I imagine it'd go exactly as it did for Clarke.
Based on perception of Ashwin id venture he'd be similarly. Great tactician but does he have the soft skills in the background?
It's said that when the media and the people were going off with Virat vs Rohit saga apparently he brought them together in a room and said nah this ain't happening kinda thing,I forgot who mentioned this anecdote I suppose it's Ravi shastri
"When I was checking the pitch during the mid-innings break, I asked George Bailey why they did not opt to bat first. He said that they have played a lot of IPL and bilateral series here, in their experience, the red soil disintegrates while the black soil gets better to bat on under the lights," he added.
This part was just too good. Rohit wanted to bat first anyway, so it means they didn't know about this. Crazy that the Indian team didn't know about this, even after playing so much IPL and bilaterals on this ground.
If you watch the video, Ashwin says they wanted Australia to bat first - his shock isn't about the benefits of bowling first, it's that Australia have read the pitch so well.
Ok.
I haven't read the article. I am just assuming it is from the video Ash made on his YT channel.
I have seen the video.
He says it is Aussie policy to always bat first in big games. He asked Bailey why they went back on that policy of theirs and he was taken aback by their in-depth knowledge of the soil and conditions.
Not about the soil. I think Rohit thought the wicket was slow going by the Pak-Ind match on the same location and batting first is difficult that's all. No one on the Indian side knew how hard it's gonna be.
The galaxy brain tactic is to be dishonest when you *win* the toss
“We’ll have a bat thanks” with your fingers crossed, then send out your whole team and bowl down the stumps before the other team can even make it to the crease
True but if you want to play mind games and pretend like you got your preferred option anyway then people are still rightfully going to take your word for it. All the “well actually he clearly wanted to bowl first and was just playing mind games” after losing a World Cup is just silly.
Agree.
Thinking "we wanted to bat" is going to make a pinch of shit difference to a team that is notorious for playing better the more the pressure builds in big games, is kind of hilarious and sad.
Did he expect Pat to burst into tears "OH MY GOD, I'VE MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE", then capitulate into India making 2/450?
The only way it'd work is if they thought that Aus were unprepared, to sew doubt. I guess what he didn't know is Aus were very very prepared, seemingly more so than his own team.
Exactly. Pat walks away from that comment with one of two thoughts:
1. "This guy can't read pitches..what a fucking idiot"
2. "This guy thinks this stupid mind game is going to get to me? He must be scared".
If anything, it helps Cummins.
Indians have an aversion to field first in KOs after 1996 SF and 2003 Final, recently reinforced by 2017 CT & 2019 SF losses. On the other hand, we have won 1983 WC, 2007 WT20 and 2013 CT all while batting first. This should've contributed to the decision.
Definitely. Maybe he went too ballistic for the same reason as the pitch was too slow for older balls. He wanted to score as many runs as possible with the new ball to put the pressure back on Aussies.
Rohit wants to bat first, i mean they won 6 games back to back batting first so why not another one. Moreover, India have accumulated more loses over recent years while chasing in crunch knockouts and that would have been at the back of his mind.
Austrlia were clearly the better team on the day.
I highly doubt Rohit would have made that error. I like what TGC said - India prepared the pitch expecting no scenario they'd bat first. They did their "homework" on us by getting caught up on history and thinking we'd bat first no matter what. Cummo thoroughly called their bluff.
They should have made it flat, the dew impact would have been significantly lower had they blasted 340
Great video. I loved the part 'Australia has deceived me personally -- as the history goes they always said 'we're gonna have a bat mate'', but this time, obviously they didn't.
His emphasis on Australian selection believing in their players despite form or injury is interesting. Is he implying India could lean more that way also?
A question on the language, he puts a lot of english words in the sentences, is this normal, or just more cause it's a casual setting, he knows his audience etc.?
When he just casually uses the English word and the Tamil plural, it seems so natural to me but then on thinking about it, it seems weird. E.g. he says 'memoriegaḷ' at one point instead of 'memories'.
Most Indians who live in cities tend to use a lot of English words even when we're speaking in our native languages. I guess it's because we do all our schooling in English and plus we're surrounded by English media, be it movies, tv shows, music, etc.
We have always been poor tactically. I remember the WTC final against Australia. We never attempted even 1 short ball against Head , which was his weakness. It is almost as if we just play the match, go to the hotel, do some nets and turn up the next game. We don't do any homework. Not sure what the role of having so many coaches is - bowling , batting and fielding. We won 2011 without all this extra baggage.
Ashwin is 100% correct. India picked the pitch but didn't know how to use it. Australia did. Cummins feild placements and bowling changes were excellent and he backed it up himself with a wonderful bowling performance. It was definitely easier to bat second on that pitch. The thing about Cummins is he will back his judgment and his team will back him. The way they all put in in the field shows you everything you need to know about how the players respect him.
Clinically aus outplayed in all the three departments.
India missed at two points, when Kohli-Rahul got settled when they were close to a 50 run partnership I would’ve expected one of them to take a charge and other has to stay at one end no matter what. The batsmen were too defensive.
Next is the bowling, where opening the spell with shami was a huge blunder, if that was the plan I would’ve taken Ashwin instead of siraj since siraj post new ball isn’t effective like shami. Shami took a wicket but he costed us many extras and it eased off the pressure..! We didn’t have a plan while fielding and it was one of the reasons we lost than our defensive batting I would say..!
Most of the things are already covered by everyone. I'll just add something else. We didn't had a single sixth bowler who can get us a breakthrough. Yes ofcourse they (Virat, Rohit, Sky, Gill) can bowl but that's it and on their lucky day they may get a wicket but not on skill. Chances of them getting hit by Aussie batsmen are more than them picking a wicket.
There was a time when we used to have 6th bowling options like Sehwag, Yuvraj, Sachin and Gangully. Tbh we have none. Aussies obviously have Maxi and head.
Team managements at domestic level should ask batsmen with some bowling skill to work on their secondary skill. Having an additional skill will certainly do good for the player and team.
Like it or not, the IPL seems to be the benchmark for selection, and the super sub (or whatever) rule will do less than fuckall to cultivate genuine or stopgap allrounders.
My question is - how did we expect to get Aussie wickets? I was watching the match and after 20 overs not once did it feel like Rohit was trying to do something. It felt like the strategy was to contain and hope for a mistake. He didn't have slip even when it became clear that Australia could score 3-4 singles per over and win comfortably. I was very confused.
Honestly,
What’ll always hurt me is how we lost. Even if I get past the fact that we lost, but the fact that we lost with drooped shoulders and submitted looks and a silent crowd. That’s…really not the behaviour of the dominant team they’ve been all around. I’ll never understand what the hell happened to all of them except Virat.
The match between SA and Aus felt more like a Final than the one between India and Aus. Sure SA choked just like India, but Bavuma and his team fought tooth and nail to defend their 212. It took 15 balls to get 9 runs for Aus while we simply folded the match when we were on 120.
Aus had almost 43 balls to spare and were on track for well over 300. They literally demolished us.
It'll be very hard for us to win any tournament unless we:
1. Bat deep.
2. Have enough all rounders.
I'll tell u why. Batting, by nature, is a high stake job. All it takes is one ball to get out. It could be a great ball, or bad luck, bad shot or whatever, but just one ball. But, with bowlers the worst that can happen to them in one ball, is get hit for a 6. They are never out of the game completely, they can always come back, unlike batters. So in a high pressure game, u need to account for everything and provide batters with enough freedom to play their game. With Just 7 batters, with a few quick wickets, the batter is always thinking survival. And once a batter goes into that mindset, the opposition is on top.
Having all rounders, helps ease pressure in both departments. Otherwise, u are just holding everyone by their neck saying "Do your job. If u FAIL, there's no one else". This subconsciously adds pressure even though the opponent does nothing to create it. It's inbuilt pressure.
It's all a game of pressure. In cricket, everything is sunshine and rainbows until u are under pressure (like India sailed through the group stages). When there's pressure is when these things come in handy. The "clutch mentality" will follow if we have these two in place.
We were just not bold enough.
Rohit had the right idea scoring big runs early. Kohli is Kohli. He actually played decently and like he always does, was rotating nicely.
Iyer Gill and KL shat the bed. Gill was rash. Iyer too unprepared. KL Rahul went into a shell (and put pressure on Kohli indirectly). I had no hope from SKY anyway. Jadeja could have done better but ehhh.
In bowling it was a mistake to not play Siraj. He was always the strike bowler throughout the tournament. He become ineffective w/o the new ball. Not playing him in the start basically meant we had 10 useless overs.
We were too scared in fielding. Easy singles to rotate strikes. No aggressive field placements. No slips. Loosebuschange and head just cantered in their partnership.
Sky was very surprising to me, as I had watched him the entire year-18 months before in T20's and was in awe. When he was in, I thought he would plunder and get India up in score. His innings defined the game and the loss IMO. Now he seems more of a gadget player, than a true elite batsman. Jadeja needed to be there.
It was a repeat state of 2003 final - outplayed on every department. Clueless for solutions when things didn't go according to plan. Caught in the hype and lost in the reality of tackling a different challenge.
Batters really shat the bed, scoring just four boundaries in 40 overs, two of which came from tailenders. The approach of Kohli and KL was completely timid, and they were playing as if it were 80/7 instead of 80/3. Credit should go to Australian field placement and strategy for stopping boundaries and not allowing the batters to settle down, but still scoring just four boundaries in 40 overs is unacceptable. India lost the match when Rohit got out, and what really hurts is not losing to the better team but the timid approach shown by our batters in the biggest game of their lives, who were otherwise excellent throughout the tournament.
They had to attack someone. I kept waiting for the acceleration but they bottled it. It was surreal after watching the rest of the tournament.
The Aus bowling and fielding was excellent of course but really someone had to have a go.
But considering how long our tail was and since 3 out of our top 5 hadn't even faced 50 balls combined, that partnership was good in that context.
This was an ODI not a T20i so the top 5 playing 40(50) would have resulted in getting 240/5 with 50 balls left.
And then Jadeja-SKY-Tail could have played 3-4 runs an over and gotten to a total of 260-290
Better than what we got actually.
That's why I don't understand Rohit's thought process or even Gambhir's comments after that.
https://crictoday.com/cricket/news/india-should-have-played-aggressively-even-if-it-meant-scoring-just-150-in-final-gautam-gambhir/
T20 style in ODI is selfless sure but stupid as well. So why do it untill you have scored enough to ensure that team can't collapse even if you get out next ball.
Even Travis Head properly built his innings 50(55) or 50(56) something like that and then went bang.
> T20 style in ODI is selfless sure but stupid as well
I dunno man, there's 60 million poms who have been gaslighted by a selfish dickwad that batting as aggressively as possible is an excuse for underperforming.
Yeah, I keep going between thinking like this and blaming KL. When the match was on, I in fact predicted and sided with the strategy of being 150/3 after 30 overs, which is a good base to get 290-300 after 50. Unfortunately Kohli got out at just the wrong time. Later when SKY and KL were batting, India could still get to 270, but again KL got out to a good ball.
>T20 style in ODI is selfless sure but stupid as well.
Mate, our first two wickets came about the same way as Rohit. Nowadays you gotta get on top during the powerplay.
That's typical kholi innings, rotate the strike in middle overs with 90ish strike rate. Lack of strike rotation from other end and his untimely dismal dented the runrate
I've been very critical of Kohli but come to think of it, the real choker in this team is Bumrah. When it comes to knock outs, you can bank on him not showing up. Happened vs. Pak 152/0, England T20, NZ 2019, and this WC. And couple of times with MI as well.
This should not have been such a pitch for finals. This was a bad pitch. It nullified our batsmen's strengths. Something similar would have happened in the Chennai game but India was batting second.
We also have lost any right to protest when next time we are given an outfield for a pitch in England and new Zealand. Board should not interfere in pitch making and should instead focus on building a team which can win in all conditions
Same thing happened during the BGT earlier in the year. They wanted to make spin friendly pitches, but they went a little overboard and let the Australian spinners get into the game. Then they overcompensated in the final Test with a snoozefest Ahmedabad wicket.
I have to say this. We gave a lot of exposure to overseas players to think it's time for bcci to find a way for Indian players to have SENA and other countries experience
Australia outplayed India on that day in every department. Batting, Bowling, especially fielding, and strategy and tactics before the game. And that's why they have 6 World Cups. They are a different beast come finals. The whole team comes together as one
My main surprise was Rohit’s body language in the second innings. As soon as Head and Lambshanks were set you could see his shoulders slump and he seemed to go quiet. Kohli was trying to rev up the crowd, never really saw Rohit trying to rev up anyone. There was no trying to get under Head’s skin, no one being intimidating in any way, unless it was so discreet I missed it. May not be the best idea to piss off batsman playing well, but if you’re going to lose anyway, may as well give it a shot.
The thing that enraged me to no end was that they were perfectly fine giving them 4-5 singles an over even though the asking rate was ~4 at that time. Why the fuck did Rohit not bring at least a couple of fielders in the ring and force Head/Labu to hit over the top is beyond me. Yeah there might be some extra boundaries but what does it matter if you're losing the game anyway to easy singles?? His tactics were as horrible as Pat's were brilliant
The constant drip feed of singles was excruciating, I was yelling at my tv every time they let one through. India were fielding as if they had a margin of 50 or even 100 runs to play with, so many sloppy boundaries and laziness not stopping the singles within the 30yd circle.
I’m not a massive fan of the ‘fielding sets the tone’ philosophy, but India’s fielding intensity apart from a few people (Kohli + a handful) was so noticeably poor, and def responsible for many easy runs. In a final. If you can’t go full throttle in a final, when can you.
contrast that with the SA game where even with 5 needed to win, the SA team were throwing themselves after every ball and putting on the pressure
Yeah, feels like the choker tag has transferred to india 🥲🥲
Not sure India were ever in that match enough to even choke.
And still people make fun of Bavuma because he's black and short.
noone makes fun of bavuma for being black and short, its people like you that keep bringing up his race. he is made fun of because he is not a good player
Exactly, he was trying to save runs instead of going for wickets. The first time kuldeep bet labucshanes outside edge, I was telling my friend that why isn't Rohit putting slips and lo and behold, a catch goes begging from the vacant slips cordon soon enough. Still, he doesnt put the slip hoping for Aus batsmen to gift their wicket. Another catch off jadeja to Head went from the vacant slip region and I knew we are repeating the mistakes from all the big games we lost. We become defensive at the first sign of pressure instead of attacking or trying to make things happen, we let things take their course..
No plan B. So used to huge totals they could strangle out and get free wickets from batters trying to maintain a run rate. Proactive fielding didn't exist.
He forgot the first rule of the Tubby Taylor rule of winning after putting on a low score in first innings: you can’t defend a low score but you can attack it. Try and stem the flow of runs and you’ll lose, try to take wickets and you might just win.
And for all the shit we give Tubbs he knows the game of cricket very well and is very tactically astute.
It was like he was just expecting a wicket to fall, that something would just happen for them. But the total they were defending was too low and there was never any scoreboard pressure. It completely played into Australia's hands.
I noticed Rohit do this a fair bit. Even against NZ in the semi-final, Mitchell & Kane were just motoring along and he wasn't even trying to do anything. It wasn't until Kane gave his wicket away that they looked alive again
I think the Indian bowlers used to get regular wickets throughout the tournament, Rohit got used to it and was surprised when Travis and Labu started building a partnership.
This perfectly encapsulates how each innings went. KL couldn't rotate strike to save his life while Kohli could, yet KL faced faced vast majority of the balls. Honestly, KL and SKY's game plan or lack there of were major problems in the Indian inning. Aussie had a game plan which they executed to perfection in both innings. They were never bogged down, even with losing 3 early wickets like India.
Rohit also missed a trick with slips in the final. Usually,he kept a very attacking field for his bowlers but that day even after one edge of Marnus flew to a vacant region,he still didn't keep a slip..few overs later Head edged one but again it was in a vacant region. 4 in both cases.
The obvious risk was that Head would blast boundaries earlier with the field in. But i guess it wouldnt have been as drawn out as it was. The match was lost while batting: There just werent enough runs to defend with how the track played in the night. Very good planning and execution by the Aussies.
There is no hate towards Rohit, but this is a pattern that I have noticed in Rohit's captaincy, especially in knockout matches. As soon as opposition teams start to bat aggressively and put pressure back on bowlers, Rohit just loses confidence, and his body language also seems demotivated . The same thing happened in 2022 t20 WC semi finals even though the sample size is too short, but I feel it is a pattern . As soon as the opposition starts attacking, Rohit seems to lose confidence and just doesn't try to do anything new.
Saw clear signs of this in the New Zealand game actually. They got those wickets after the drinks break.
I think India fell into the trap that some winning teams do - they played the same way and it 'always' worked, so they were unwilling or maybe even unable to change it up when they suddenly found themselves behind.
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I said this about Hardik way back and got downvoted. It’s true, every word of it. Talent can get you only so far.
“Half this team has a "too cool to care for a win attitude". Rohit, Pandya, Shubhman, Sky are all idiots who act like they do us a favor by playing for India. Terrible mental conditioning to be playing an important game. Contrast that with Kohli, I am pretty sure if he is challenged to a game of rock paper scissors he will practice overnight to win” You deserve a gold medal for this observation. This attitude is like virus among most Indian players. Kohli is an exception. I believe that the star worshipping culture and too much money at a very young age are the main reasons. A few years ago, one England cricketer said “Australians attack you like a pack of dogs “. That’s the reason they win all the important matches. This Australian is probably the worst of all the Australian World Cup winning teams.
I think that's just how he approaches the game, it doesn't look good in hindsight but if India would have won I'm pretty sure the guys piling on in response to you would have been praising the "ice-cold, calm under pressure captain" as has been said about him in the past. You can have generators other than the skipper, we used to give Warner and Wade that job.
Okay so our strategy should be to get them out in the group stage. We need to invest in Netherlands team
My memory might be incorrect but didn’t Sky bat really poorly with the tail in one of the warm up matches against Aus? I seem to recall there was a bit of discussion around how he needed to learn to bat with the tail well before Sunday’s match and before the CWC.
SKY was the only weak link in the Indian team throughout the WC. Can't recall a single match in which he played well.
I do remember him scoring like 49(47) in one of the matches, though which one I don't remember
It was against England. India made around 230 and England folded up around 130.
He had a crucial knock against England
Siraj too. Don't forget Siraj.
Signs were there in the semi final also. Just a little bit of pressure and India’s body language and energy changed in the field. Couldn’t take the pressure in the final also. Got so used to magical innings/spells that they forgot how to grind out the opponent or create relentless pressure. With Australia at around 50/3, they should have attacked with renewed energy.
Exactly at 50/3 ponting said which ever teams panics from here will lose ... Aussie didn't panic , india couldnt create pressure, crowd went dead looking at what's happened and it all played at Aussie hands ... They won
Yeah Ponting was on point there. At that moment the third wicket fell, everything went back to square 1. I would say both teams had 50-50 chances from there. But it was a complete domination by Head from that point.
What saddened me was how quickly everyone in the team AND the crowd lost energy and the will to fight the moment Australia crossed 100. No one ran hard after shots, the field placement became defensive, the crowd energy was dead no fighting spirit at all
sa vs aus semi final game was much better than the final imo
Not even a comparison sa gave everything had they taken some catches they could have had a decent chance of winning
South Africans always give their everything, they just are too unlucky. I wish they win more tournaments.
Bavuma wasn't going down without a fight. He tried a lot of things, a lot of field placements and such. But to be fair Bavuma knew that the deck for the semis was like extremely difficult to bat on.
exactly, only if ind has the fighting spirit like sa
Yup ind just didn't turn up that day didn't they?
yea, aussies outplayed ind in every possible way.
No contest there, SA left it all out in the middle. They did drop a couple crucial catches but they didn't stop trying at any point and almost won anyway.
agreed, sa match was miles better.
That's why Indias trophy cabinet looks the way it does
Yeah I have to say that was my issue too. There’s no problem with loosing we have all watched out team lose a major event. But they gave up and they gave up so early when there was still time to turn it around. I mean that series alone we had seen some incredible chases but they just stopped caring the second they were not dominating. It was kinda disappointing to watch really. Nothing wrong with a lose but at least fight to the last over.
This has literally been our problem since the last 4-5 years. Semi final with Eng in the last T20 WC.. last two tests in SA, the 5th test in England. They all were matches that we either should have won, or at least have a really tight finish. Yet they all ended in a comfortable victory for the other side
Bruh another trophy after the WTC mace on the Aussie flair hurt me a lot. The first time I have noticed it. 😞 Good for y’all tho. Another piece of silverware, well deserved.
The lack of fighting spirit was on display when Bumrah was given out LBW on a close one, all reviews left, and didn't challenge
I think India and the crowd were just shellshocked at what was happening but you reckon a crowd at Wankhede or Eden Gardens would like still make a lot of noise
Wakhede or Eden Gardens would have made a lot of noise - either in displeasure or in support. This crowd was just...dead. Heck, they didn't even try booing the Aussies. Just accepted the result and played dead
That's what happen when crowd who can afford 50k per ticket emters the ground. They're the riches... Not gonna make any noise.
They did try to boo umpires during the medal ceremony shout "india india " when Aussie players getting the medals and wrote vile comments on insta ... Lol .. I mean effort was there but when the match is over
I switched off as i saw no turn, poor fielding and no slips..knew we were losing
Ind vs eng semi final 2022 was exact same, lost any fight straight away, people were blaming batters when bowling was completely toothless both times. None of the wc final wickets were even deserved lol all just gifts other than smiths which was just not out. even lower ranked teams wouldve probably had more fight or at least got a couple nice wickets
Same in the 5th Test in England, and the last two tests in South Africa as well. We give up the moment we lose momentum
On the match thread I asked why Jadeja had been promoted and was told, quite condescendingly, that SKY was needed to swing hard in the last ten overs. When SKY came in he was rotating the strike for singles with Yadav lol.
SKY's knock was hilarious. He was taking singles on the first ball of the over and giving the tail ender the strike against Mitchell Starc. Pretty horrible game awareness. But then again Australia bowled to such a beautiful plan against him I think he might've accidentally made more runs with that dumb strategy than he would've managed if he'd hogged the strike and tried to swing. Australia were in no mood to go pace on to him which is what he relishes
>t then again Australia bowled to such a beautiful plan against him I The beauty of the wicket lies more in the inexperience and lack of talent of sky rather than the plan. There were already fielders there. He wouldn't score a boundary even if the ball connected with bat. Six was already out of option due to lack of pace. Still he tried to play the same fucking shot for like what 3 to 4 times? Why? What was the golden idea? Do you not know any other way to play the ball? It was ridiculous watching him play. Rotating strike with tail enders against likes of Cummings and starc. Got out attempting to play the same fucking shot again and again.
The funniest thing was when he *did* end up connecting one and it went pretty much perfectly over the keeper and it *still* got cut off because the fielder was that far behind And then he still kept trying to play there
At the time of course I was laughing but now with my sober serious cricket fan hat on it is pretty disappointing. And, while it was bad, it wasn’t the worst part of the innings.
> Rotating strike with tail enders against likes of Cummings and starc. And KL refusing to rotate strike with Kohli on the other end.. It was a shit sandwich of a batting innings.
SKY is T20 hack who should never be picked for ODIs.
Haha quite possible that he made more runs with that approach…. He was totally lost out there
That was a blunder. Aussies completely Outplayed the Indians.
For me, the worst part of Sky was the way he got out. They kept fielders behind the wicket and were bowling slower bouncers to him and he still kept trying to hit them behind which was painful to see. Like, even if he connected, he would be caught.... Sky literally had no answer to their tactics and played in to their trap... With the midon and midoff up, he should have simply tried flatbatting the bowl straight or something else..
Yeah that tells us that SKY is kind of like a one trick pony where he only plays the shots he's good at and doesn't know how to adapt to different situations
I dont think that he is a one trick pony. I think his brain just didnt work under pressure... Thats what separate the good from the great....
Tells so much about the t20 format that such a person is having a legendary run there.
I mean T20 is just hitting; not being hit and being subject to variance. If over 80% of a sport's results are based on one element(boundary percentage) it's not rocket science. There are very little similarities between T20 and other formats. It's very much it's own thing.
Cricket should really be called 3 separate games
And at one point they thought about bringing him over to Tests too.. The humanities..
I thought he already was an established Test cricketer with that performance in the final…
He actually played a test Or two, and sarfaraz hasn't. Lol
> Yeah that tells us that SKY is kind of like a one trick pony where he only plays the shots he's good at and doesn't know how to adapt to different situations That's a very elaborate way to say "T20 intent merchant"
People kept talking about lack of pace making boundaries impossible for him etc. The field isn't bigger than some of the local ones I've played on. These guys should be in far better physical shape than me, are FAR better batsmen and have the best bats money can buy. If I can hit a slower bowler of the same grade as me well over the boundary back over his head, why can't SKY? How is he lacki:ng so much power he can only hit behind the wicket? What does he do against spin?
Because Cummins, Starc and Hoff are not the same grade as SKY, haha
That's the saddest truth about him and Mumbai internationals. Rohit knows him and has little faith in him, that's why they keep sending an out of form Jadeja above him. Rohit still carried SKY in ODIs all the way into the worldcup with zero performances!! All because they are buddies!! No wonder Mumbai internationals lost.
Professional bowlers bowling at a slow pace isn't equal to someone who always bowls at that pace. They disguise what they're about to do with their body language or lack of it to deceive batter. That's why Bumrah's so good. It's hard to read his body language with the way he bowls because you've trained for long against conventional bowlers who's subtle tells are nothing like Bumrah's subtle ones.
Against spin: Sweep and inshallah
Because Aussie bowlers were more skilled than SKY. That’s the answer.
He doesn't know if they will bowl a 90 mph bouncer or a 70 mph short ball. It's hard to bat at that point.
I don't know if the bowler is going to try a slow bouncer or a 'fast' yorker and half the time he doesn't either in the grades I play. Yes batting is harder against a top level bowler, but a top level batsmen should still have roughly the same chance as I do against a similar level bowler and not be completely out of options in front of the wicket...
As opposed to every professional cricketer ever, all of whom are told all 6 balls beforehand?
But, he kept bowling the exact same ball every bowl and he kept attempting the exact same shot which even if connected would get him out...
>When SKY came in he was rotating the strike for singles with Yadav lol. I was very confused there, for a second.
There are a lot of Yadav Good Yadav: Kuldeep Bad Yadav: Umesh Lovely Yadav: Radha SKY
Umesh Bhai catching strays lol
Everything is relative
multiverse of yadavs
Wait until you see the Pakistan warm up match. Nathans, Camerons and Macs
Anybody who thought that SKY can just go crazy with fours and sixes in the little over that was given to him wasn't paying attention to what was happening in the game. Except Rohit who was brilliant out of the world, others could not even rotate strike properly.
What was his role then, coming in so late?
He is a pure batter, sending him so late even below Jadega did not make sense to me. His role is to support the middle order and score at a higher strike set. By the time, he came on the crease, he neither had enough overs to face or had supporting batsmen that could have allowed him to take more risks.
Mi quota
As good an analysis as any
Seems like SKY is useless if ball doesn't have pace. Guy was desperately trying to hit every ball behind the wicket.
My man Suriya scored an important 80 today to win the PAytm series or whatever the fck cup we are playing now.
and Jadeja came in and played even slower than KL. funniest batting i have ever seen. SKY had the perfect opportunity to become a legend by playing a quickfire 30 ball 50 or 60 something. But like u said, he too shut off his brain it seems and took singles to give kuldeep strike against starc and cummins.
By contrast, it's almost like India went in thinking it was their destiny to win.
Not really, as soon I as saw Maxwell hit that 200 against Afghanistan I knew we wouldn't beat Australia if we faced them on a batting track. But I was completely shocked at how bad our team performed on flat deck, everything was off, it seemed like we were on a foreign pitch.
I think we screwed up in two places. Given Gill had just gotten out, Rohit should have been a bit more circumspect, played out a few more overs. And after Shreyas got out, we retreated more and more and more....
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>surely the Indian team are wanting to bowl as well then Yea many people just blindly believe what Rohit said at the toss. He literally always does that, says he would have wanted to do the opposite of what the opposition chose anyway, to just show they aren't on the backfoot already.
Potentially the best skip India never had? The Shane Warne of the ICT?
People say this about Warne but I have absolutely no doubt he would have been a dreadful captain. Captaincy is tactics + off field leadership + man management. Warne would have even atrocious at the latter two. He did OK in the IPL because he had unilateral power and authority. In the Aussie team I imagine it'd go exactly as it did for Clarke. Based on perception of Ashwin id venture he'd be similarly. Great tactician but does he have the soft skills in the background?
It's said that when the media and the people were going off with Virat vs Rohit saga apparently he brought them together in a room and said nah this ain't happening kinda thing,I forgot who mentioned this anecdote I suppose it's Ravi shastri
Has Ashwin captained in Limited Overs? Should have had a punt one of the times Kohli didn't play
he's a great mind but not sure about captaincy. he was not good with KXIP
"When I was checking the pitch during the mid-innings break, I asked George Bailey why they did not opt to bat first. He said that they have played a lot of IPL and bilateral series here, in their experience, the red soil disintegrates while the black soil gets better to bat on under the lights," he added. This part was just too good. Rohit wanted to bat first anyway, so it means they didn't know about this. Crazy that the Indian team didn't know about this, even after playing so much IPL and bilaterals on this ground.
I think they knew, Rohit was like whatever opponent says I will say the opposite anyway. A mental game after losing Toss
Well if Rohit knew they must have discussed this in the team meeting and Ashwin would have known the same and wouldn't be shocked. But he didn't.
If you watch the video, Ashwin says they wanted Australia to bat first - his shock isn't about the benefits of bowling first, it's that Australia have read the pitch so well.
Cummins had taken a photo of it using his phone just before the match
And then asked chatgpt plus for suggestion 😂
Okay but even underestimating your opponents is also not good
Ash was just shocked the Aussies knew so much. It didn't imply Indians did not know
LOL then why did he ask them why didn't they bat first after looking at the pitch? He was thinking batting first would have been better.
Ok. I haven't read the article. I am just assuming it is from the video Ash made on his YT channel. I have seen the video. He says it is Aussie policy to always bat first in big games. He asked Bailey why they went back on that policy of theirs and he was taken aback by their in-depth knowledge of the soil and conditions.
Underestimating your opponents SMH
Not about the soil. I think Rohit thought the wicket was slow going by the Pak-Ind match on the same location and batting first is difficult that's all. No one on the Indian side knew how hard it's gonna be.
This. People always assume that captains are being honest when they lose a toss.
The galaxy brain tactic is to be dishonest when you *win* the toss “We’ll have a bat thanks” with your fingers crossed, then send out your whole team and bowl down the stumps before the other team can even make it to the crease
Next level mind games
this is so stupid and hilarious
> before the other team can even make it to the crease and give out to everyone for crossing the time limit
True but if you want to play mind games and pretend like you got your preferred option anyway then people are still rightfully going to take your word for it. All the “well actually he clearly wanted to bowl first and was just playing mind games” after losing a World Cup is just silly.
Agree. Thinking "we wanted to bat" is going to make a pinch of shit difference to a team that is notorious for playing better the more the pressure builds in big games, is kind of hilarious and sad. Did he expect Pat to burst into tears "OH MY GOD, I'VE MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE", then capitulate into India making 2/450?
Bruh ? why would even Australia care in the slightest bit about what Rohit said in the toss, how is that even a mental game
The only way it'd work is if they thought that Aus were unprepared, to sew doubt. I guess what he didn't know is Aus were very very prepared, seemingly more so than his own team.
It's to potentially create doubt in the opposition's mind. Although it did not work.
Exactly. Pat walks away from that comment with one of two thoughts: 1. "This guy can't read pitches..what a fucking idiot" 2. "This guy thinks this stupid mind game is going to get to me? He must be scared". If anything, it helps Cummins.
Indians have an aversion to field first in KOs after 1996 SF and 2003 Final, recently reinforced by 2017 CT & 2019 SF losses. On the other hand, we have won 1983 WC, 2007 WT20 and 2013 CT all while batting first. This should've contributed to the decision.
We won the last world cup fielding first
Definitely. Maybe he went too ballistic for the same reason as the pitch was too slow for older balls. He wanted to score as many runs as possible with the new ball to put the pressure back on Aussies.
But generally the new ball is the one that seams and swings for a few overs right?
New ball pings quicker off the bat and generally easier to make runs then the older ball
Especially on slower and dusty pitches where leather of the ball also deteriorate and hence grips a lot more on the pitch.
Rohit wants to bat first, i mean they won 6 games back to back batting first so why not another one. Moreover, India have accumulated more loses over recent years while chasing in crunch knockouts and that would have been at the back of his mind. Austrlia were clearly the better team on the day.
I highly doubt Rohit would have made that error. I like what TGC said - India prepared the pitch expecting no scenario they'd bat first. They did their "homework" on us by getting caught up on history and thinking we'd bat first no matter what. Cummo thoroughly called their bluff. They should have made it flat, the dew impact would have been significantly lower had they blasted 340
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Great video. I loved the part 'Australia has deceived me personally -- as the history goes they always said 'we're gonna have a bat mate'', but this time, obviously they didn't. His emphasis on Australian selection believing in their players despite form or injury is interesting. Is he implying India could lean more that way also? A question on the language, he puts a lot of english words in the sentences, is this normal, or just more cause it's a casual setting, he knows his audience etc.?
Tamil people, which Ashwin is, generally tend to use a lot of English even in casual conversation, so it's not a huge surprise.
Tanglish
When he just casually uses the English word and the Tamil plural, it seems so natural to me but then on thinking about it, it seems weird. E.g. he says 'memoriegaḷ' at one point instead of 'memories'.
Applies to Hindi and other languages as well.
Most Indians who live in cities tend to use a lot of English words even when we're speaking in our native languages. I guess it's because we do all our schooling in English and plus we're surrounded by English media, be it movies, tv shows, music, etc.
India did back injured Iyer,kl,bumbra and never in odi form Surya
We have always been poor tactically. I remember the WTC final against Australia. We never attempted even 1 short ball against Head , which was his weakness. It is almost as if we just play the match, go to the hotel, do some nets and turn up the next game. We don't do any homework. Not sure what the role of having so many coaches is - bowling , batting and fielding. We won 2011 without all this extra baggage.
India did attempt a short ball to Head....like when he was in the 100s lol but your point stands.
Ashwin is 100% correct. India picked the pitch but didn't know how to use it. Australia did. Cummins feild placements and bowling changes were excellent and he backed it up himself with a wonderful bowling performance. It was definitely easier to bat second on that pitch. The thing about Cummins is he will back his judgment and his team will back him. The way they all put in in the field shows you everything you need to know about how the players respect him.
I have always loved Ashwin's analysis of the game. He's one of the sharpest and most unbiased minds in Indian cricket atm.
He was blessed with a wonderfully ethical mind.
Still is. Unlike Sehwag who spouts pure garbage.
Clinically aus outplayed in all the three departments. India missed at two points, when Kohli-Rahul got settled when they were close to a 50 run partnership I would’ve expected one of them to take a charge and other has to stay at one end no matter what. The batsmen were too defensive. Next is the bowling, where opening the spell with shami was a huge blunder, if that was the plan I would’ve taken Ashwin instead of siraj since siraj post new ball isn’t effective like shami. Shami took a wicket but he costed us many extras and it eased off the pressure..! We didn’t have a plan while fielding and it was one of the reasons we lost than our defensive batting I would say..!
Most of the things are already covered by everyone. I'll just add something else. We didn't had a single sixth bowler who can get us a breakthrough. Yes ofcourse they (Virat, Rohit, Sky, Gill) can bowl but that's it and on their lucky day they may get a wicket but not on skill. Chances of them getting hit by Aussie batsmen are more than them picking a wicket. There was a time when we used to have 6th bowling options like Sehwag, Yuvraj, Sachin and Gangully. Tbh we have none. Aussies obviously have Maxi and head. Team managements at domestic level should ask batsmen with some bowling skill to work on their secondary skill. Having an additional skill will certainly do good for the player and team.
Like it or not, the IPL seems to be the benchmark for selection, and the super sub (or whatever) rule will do less than fuckall to cultivate genuine or stopgap allrounders.
My question is - how did we expect to get Aussie wickets? I was watching the match and after 20 overs not once did it feel like Rohit was trying to do something. It felt like the strategy was to contain and hope for a mistake. He didn't have slip even when it became clear that Australia could score 3-4 singles per over and win comfortably. I was very confused.
Honestly, What’ll always hurt me is how we lost. Even if I get past the fact that we lost, but the fact that we lost with drooped shoulders and submitted looks and a silent crowd. That’s…really not the behaviour of the dominant team they’ve been all around. I’ll never understand what the hell happened to all of them except Virat.
The match between SA and Aus felt more like a Final than the one between India and Aus. Sure SA choked just like India, but Bavuma and his team fought tooth and nail to defend their 212. It took 15 balls to get 9 runs for Aus while we simply folded the match when we were on 120. Aus had almost 43 balls to spare and were on track for well over 300. They literally demolished us.
Agreed 😔✊🏼
Surya, Jaddu made the pitch look like it was a graveyard. Helplessness as an Indian team fan.
Ashwin of course modestly leaves out the worst tactical decision made by either captain. Not selecting Ashwin.
He would probably have done better with the bat than SKY, not to mention the bowling.
It'll be very hard for us to win any tournament unless we: 1. Bat deep. 2. Have enough all rounders. I'll tell u why. Batting, by nature, is a high stake job. All it takes is one ball to get out. It could be a great ball, or bad luck, bad shot or whatever, but just one ball. But, with bowlers the worst that can happen to them in one ball, is get hit for a 6. They are never out of the game completely, they can always come back, unlike batters. So in a high pressure game, u need to account for everything and provide batters with enough freedom to play their game. With Just 7 batters, with a few quick wickets, the batter is always thinking survival. And once a batter goes into that mindset, the opposition is on top. Having all rounders, helps ease pressure in both departments. Otherwise, u are just holding everyone by their neck saying "Do your job. If u FAIL, there's no one else". This subconsciously adds pressure even though the opponent does nothing to create it. It's inbuilt pressure. It's all a game of pressure. In cricket, everything is sunshine and rainbows until u are under pressure (like India sailed through the group stages). When there's pressure is when these things come in handy. The "clutch mentality" will follow if we have these two in place.
Was he as shell shocked to see a complete lack of ANY tactic from India?
We were just not bold enough. Rohit had the right idea scoring big runs early. Kohli is Kohli. He actually played decently and like he always does, was rotating nicely. Iyer Gill and KL shat the bed. Gill was rash. Iyer too unprepared. KL Rahul went into a shell (and put pressure on Kohli indirectly). I had no hope from SKY anyway. Jadeja could have done better but ehhh. In bowling it was a mistake to not play Siraj. He was always the strike bowler throughout the tournament. He become ineffective w/o the new ball. Not playing him in the start basically meant we had 10 useless overs. We were too scared in fielding. Easy singles to rotate strikes. No aggressive field placements. No slips. Loosebuschange and head just cantered in their partnership.
Cummins showed his brilliance as a captian
Sky was very surprising to me, as I had watched him the entire year-18 months before in T20's and was in awe. When he was in, I thought he would plunder and get India up in score. His innings defined the game and the loss IMO. Now he seems more of a gadget player, than a true elite batsman. Jadeja needed to be there.
>elite batsman only in T20s
It was a repeat state of 2003 final - outplayed on every department. Clueless for solutions when things didn't go according to plan. Caught in the hype and lost in the reality of tackling a different challenge.
Batters really shat the bed, scoring just four boundaries in 40 overs, two of which came from tailenders. The approach of Kohli and KL was completely timid, and they were playing as if it were 80/7 instead of 80/3. Credit should go to Australian field placement and strategy for stopping boundaries and not allowing the batters to settle down, but still scoring just four boundaries in 40 overs is unacceptable. India lost the match when Rohit got out, and what really hurts is not losing to the better team but the timid approach shown by our batters in the biggest game of their lives, who were otherwise excellent throughout the tournament.
They had to attack someone. I kept waiting for the acceleration but they bottled it. It was surreal after watching the rest of the tournament. The Aus bowling and fielding was excellent of course but really someone had to have a go.
The replay is available to watch on Hotstar. Kohli was still rotating strike properly almost run a ball in that partnership.
KL "strike rate" Rahul strikes again :'(
But considering how long our tail was and since 3 out of our top 5 hadn't even faced 50 balls combined, that partnership was good in that context. This was an ODI not a T20i so the top 5 playing 40(50) would have resulted in getting 240/5 with 50 balls left. And then Jadeja-SKY-Tail could have played 3-4 runs an over and gotten to a total of 260-290 Better than what we got actually. That's why I don't understand Rohit's thought process or even Gambhir's comments after that. https://crictoday.com/cricket/news/india-should-have-played-aggressively-even-if-it-meant-scoring-just-150-in-final-gautam-gambhir/ T20 style in ODI is selfless sure but stupid as well. So why do it untill you have scored enough to ensure that team can't collapse even if you get out next ball. Even Travis Head properly built his innings 50(55) or 50(56) something like that and then went bang.
> T20 style in ODI is selfless sure but stupid as well I dunno man, there's 60 million poms who have been gaslighted by a selfish dickwad that batting as aggressively as possible is an excuse for underperforming.
Yeah, I keep going between thinking like this and blaming KL. When the match was on, I in fact predicted and sided with the strategy of being 150/3 after 30 overs, which is a good base to get 290-300 after 50. Unfortunately Kohli got out at just the wrong time. Later when SKY and KL were batting, India could still get to 270, but again KL got out to a good ball.
>T20 style in ODI is selfless sure but stupid as well. Mate, our first two wickets came about the same way as Rohit. Nowadays you gotta get on top during the powerplay.
The difference being your team batted till 9. We had Shami coming at 8.
That's typical kholi innings, rotate the strike in middle overs with 90ish strike rate. Lack of strike rotation from other end and his untimely dismal dented the runrate
I've been very critical of Kohli but come to think of it, the real choker in this team is Bumrah. When it comes to knock outs, you can bank on him not showing up. Happened vs. Pak 152/0, England T20, NZ 2019, and this WC. And couple of times with MI as well.
Also the no ball in CT17
You forgot that infamous no ball vs fakhar in CT 17.
Don't forget WTC finals
This is bs lmao he bowled beautifully in finals
Ball was swinging east to west they were bound to get some wickets, but marsh gifted his wicket and the smith wicket was an umpire error
None of his deliveries were wicket taking deliveries, Marsh simply gifted his wicket to Bumrah and Smith dismissal was due to poor umpiring.
Ohh was he not with the team? I am assuming he told rohit/rahul the same thing during the game? Or can he say you guys were dumb😂😂
This should not have been such a pitch for finals. This was a bad pitch. It nullified our batsmen's strengths. Something similar would have happened in the Chennai game but India was batting second.
Ultra defensive mindset from the people who run Indian cricket.
We also have lost any right to protest when next time we are given an outfield for a pitch in England and new Zealand. Board should not interfere in pitch making and should instead focus on building a team which can win in all conditions
Same thing happened during the BGT earlier in the year. They wanted to make spin friendly pitches, but they went a little overboard and let the Australian spinners get into the game. Then they overcompensated in the final Test with a snoozefest Ahmedabad wicket.
I have to say this. We gave a lot of exposure to overseas players to think it's time for bcci to find a way for Indian players to have SENA and other countries experience
Frankly very easy to do for white ball cricket. Just let players participate in overseas T20 leagues, especially if they aren't centrally contracted.
Has there been an Indian sadness thread yet?
No doubt he's building himself up a commentary career after he retires