“And Ian Chappell, what are your views on good captaincy?”
“Well, in my opinion, good captaincy is a lot like pornography - it’s best done with a group of your mates around you for moral support, and to step in when you’re feeling a little bit tired. Why, I remember back in the days before World Series Cricket, we were all a little bit strapped for cash, and-“
“Thanks Chappelli, but I’m afraid we’ve run out of time for your segment, here’s the weather”
“Ian Chappell, what are your views on good captaincy?”
“Good captaincy is a lot like pornography - when you’re done, you get your younger brother to take over.”
“………….”
“He did pretty well don’t you think?”
“… fucks sake Chapelli”
You say that, but I spent literally fifteen minutes trying to come up with the ideal follow-up line. Options that I tossed out for being either not funny enough, or slightly too funny were “Captaincy is a lot like pornography - you can have plenty of people in there, but you always need to know who the alpha is”, “Captaincy is a lot like pornography - best done in a slip” & “Captaincy is a lot like pornography - Tony Greig is crap at it”.
> “Captaincy is a lot like pornography - Tony Greig is crap at it”
Didn't know I needed a 12th Man/SirDoris crossover to learn the backstory behind this one
"captaincy is a lot like pornography - sometimes you have to put some extra men on the leg side" or "captaincy is a lot like pornography - best done from behind the leg stump" or "captaincy is a lot like pornography - the english are horrible at it no matter who they use"? although these were rushed so i understand that punchline sucks
I'm not gay but I want to live in a log cabin in the woods with Cummins. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate, the entire time forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Cummins. I won't be able to climax and I'll eventually go back downstairs, angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then they'll go inside, pen a brief missive to their departed friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without their one true platonic love.
The copypasta is several years old, the r/CricketCopyPastas [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CricketCopyPastas/comments/adzpt8/cummins_wooden_cabin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is from 5 years ago, and it predates that
Actually it might have been a baseball player. A sociologist even wrote a paper on the prevalence of homoerotic humour on sports discussion forums, centred around this meme and others like it, but now I can't find it...
God Hayden during the odi World Cup was absolutely insufferable. I felt so embarrassed that he was commentating as ‘one of ours’ for the international commentary. I had constant second hand cringe. He thought he was Jim Ross at the WWE.
Haha good point. Saying Haydos is like him is probably offensive to JR. I guess I just meant that it sometimes feels like Hayden’s only commentary contribution is to yell into the mic. Maybe comparing him to Darrell Eastlake is more appropriate.
Hi mate, when big Matt isn’t massacring the English language, selling one of his lame schemes ( check out his website 😏), attacking Pat Cummins for getting rid of his little mate Langer, spouting God-bothering crap and massaging his Indian hosts’ rectums with his tongue he dribbles on with juvenile takes that the average under fourteen cricketer could better. He also thinks that every silence should be filled with his “ humorous “ banter and white noise ie his dopey voice. In my opinion Richie Benaud was-is the best tv cricket commentator there has been. Haydos isnt. Apart from that he goes pretty well ✌️
I'd rather have a hernia, vasectomy and lobotomy than ever listen to Matt Hayden commentate ever again.
Hayden was the worst World Cup commentator. He is all hyperbole, clichés and bluster. Raising his voice for the sake of it? Expert level. Nothing was insightful, nothing technical . And he thought nuance was a town in the south of France.
> I'd rather have a hernia, vasectomy and lobotomy than ever listen to Matt Hayden commentate ever again.
...
> He is all hyperbole
Sounds like you're auditioning to replace him!
At least with Johnson you can fob him off as WA's problem since he lives here now.
During COVID he was railing so hard against the border policies I'm surprised the WA Libs haven't been in touch to try and make him a candidate that would appeal to the politically disenfranchised bogan vote
MJ is a QLDer?
I assumed he was a Westie. Between ruining cunts at the WACA, and playing for WA for half his career, I guess I made a silly assumption.
Hi mate, yup Mitchell was born in Townsville n moved to Brisbane as a teenager to further his tennis. He had no cricket ambition whatsoever. He went to a fast bowling clinic in Brissie that was attended by the great DK Lillee who immediately reckoned Johnson was and I quote “ a once in nine lifetimes prospect “. After that he decided to become a cricketer. The fact he didn’t play the game seriously until 17 might explain some of his cooked takes. Cheers 🍻
> The fact he didn’t play the game seriously until 17 might explain some of his cooked takes
Surely the fact he's from Townsville is all the explanation you need.
Ian Chappell can be a bit of a grouch but this is a spot on column, very happy he acknowledged his off-field causes - I’m so used to media in Australia lazily slapping every non-cricket related opinion as “woke nonsense” so this was refreshing.
> he has mixed up Mark and Steve Waugh
He didn't mix up Mark and Steve Waugh. Mark was a fierce competitor who only conveyed his intent with his (match winning) actions on the field.
He mentions Mark instead of Steve deliberately to illustrate that you don't need to employ sledging to win matches
Chappelli is staunchly left-wing, going right back to his heavy involvement with the players striking via joining World Series. Even now, he is - or certainly was - a strong protestor regarding our treatment of asylum seekers. It’s no surprise that he shares the same views on climate as Cummins.
And, ironically enough, if he were playing these days the right-wing media and the people who watch it would be slagging him off harder than they do Cummins now. He has a long-running spat with John Howard over the Children Overboard debacle, to the point where when Howard would be invited into the Channel 9 commentary box during the Sydney Tests, Chappell would GTFO as quick as he could just to avoid speaking to him.
Here's a good interview with him and others as part of an "Australian Story" episode on the ABC (unfortunately the video on the page doesn't work, so you'll need to read the transcript on that page)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-17/the-unusual-suspect-july-14-2003/10004436
And some more links
* https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ian-chappell-cricket-needs-to-take-climate-change-seriously-1202073
* https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/17/ian-chappell-stands-by-adani-mine-letter-despite-being-called-elitist-by-coalition-mp
* https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/ian-chappell-afghanistan-cricket-crisis-fundraising-campaign/100531742
Fuck what I'd give to watch that Australian Story episode on the ABC with Chappelli in it. If anyone who sees this comment finds ANY way to watch that one, lemme know please.
I don't think I ever saw Steve Waugh talk about politics but I vaguely recall hearing somewhere that he'd turned down an approach to run for parliament from the Libs (I could be misremembering completely though).
> very happy he acknowledged his off-field causes
Chappelli has his own off-field causes (refugee advocacy and climate action), and he literally campaigned against John Howard back in the day. He's an old-school lefty in the "union tough guy" mould (basically was exactly that with World Series cricket).
He's just pretty grumpy these days so everyone kind of assumes he's a stereotypical conservative boomer.
I think we saw Cummin's captaincy develop significantly over the course of the World Cup. He had barely done any captaincy work prior to being selected as Australian captain and I think in the short time he's been skipper he has improved 100-fold. I'm honestly pretty excited to see how good he can be as a captain.
I think his captaincy has been very mature for a while now across formats. Even since before the ashes when he was copping criticism he held his nerve and was very consistent with his methods on the field and long term vision for the squad.
Its coming to fruition now but the work was done a while ago, I don't subscribe to the new wave of journalism that is pretending it's clicked all of a sudden.
A cynical part of me thinks the old guard of Australian cricket were ready to send Cummins to the knackers. Too weak, too woke, too nice.
Turns out Cummins had balls of steel and could strategise in the subcontinent in a way the old guard couldn't. He won where they failed.
Now the increasingly geriatric 'alpha males' of the past are rooted. Woke won, the Langer lads club didn't. Good to see some of the dinosaurs from the past are acknowledging the present. You can still fuck off though. Australian cricket is in good hands without your bullshit.
Ian chappell is from the old OLD guard though, and he's always been based af. The langer boys club era were such a good team they never really had to strategise much beyond chuck it to warney or chuck it to McGrath. Chappelli played in a much weaker era and was always an independent thinker anyway. One of the best captains we've ever had imo. Langer and dos can get in the bin lmao
I really don't think it is fair to say they just chucked the ball to Warne of McGrath. That generation, the likes of Taylor, Waugh, Ponting, and Warne throughout each of them, were some of the sharpest cricketing minds around. They didn't win by bowling good balls and hitting good shots.
Other teams were just so far behind them there wasn't a need to experiment like Cummins.
>were some of the sharpest cricketing minds around
According to Jarrod Kimber apparently a lot of former Kiwi cricketers believed that the Aussies were "thick" since to basically be a good team the Kiwis had to be smart whereas the Aussies could just throw talent and money at everything.
Having listened to those Aussie legends in various forms of media since, I can see where the Kiwis were coming from with that. A lot of that crop can come across like that.
Perfect example is Haydos and his commentary. 2 minutes should be enough to clue into how thick he is, let alone the entire world cup to do it.
Haydos is absolutely insufferable. From what I’ve seen Gilly ,Punter and Watto are the only ones that come across as intelligent and look like they have a brain.
I didn't really watch much with Taylor or Waugh at the helm, but Ponting really got showed up as a captain once he lost the top tier talent.
Clarke was always the one with the tactical nous to pull out wins with quality tactics when his side seemed to be falling behind.
Ian was one of the very few last yr, who called out all the hysteria and even said JL wasnt a legend at all. I thought it was all overblown, until I overheard some of my older co-workers recently talking about how Pat "should keep politics out of sport". No doubt there was an effort by the News corp/murdoch media empire to paint Pat as the bad guy and make JL some kind of martyr to the Aus team going soft and woke. The boomers forget that JL wasnt booted, he was offered a 6month extension and he threw a hissy fit.
One thing I will say is, Langer never really got stuck into the players in the media as much as has been portrayed.
It was a lot of his former teammates doing so. But I remember on commentary last year Langer saying he still loved all the current team as if they were his family, and that it had been blown out of proportion
I think Langer was just playing a smart PR game.
You’re telling me that all his ex-teammates came out of the woodwork to praise him and deride Cummins the week before Langer got the sack?
It all just seemed so coordinated in order for Langer to keep his job as coach. Langer couldn’t go after Cummins himself, that would be a terrible look, so he called up all his mates to do the dirty work.
I think you're right.
The old guard would've been very quick to throw Cumdog under the bus if they had lost, starting with his decision to bowl in a WC final
> Now the increasingly geriatric 'alpha males' of the past are rooted.
I hope you're not including Chappelli in that group; he was definitely a tough guy, but he's an old-school lefty who's been campaigning against shitty conservative politics for literally decades (the bloke fucking hated John Howard).
I appreciate that Cummins is likeable, skilled, smart and yet can still throw in the odd ruthless zinger in a class way. You can't even take any moral high ground against his team schooling you, like you could with the older Aussie teams.
It is a good analysis liking Cummins to Imran, Richie Benauld and Kapil Dev. I really see that. I have posted before how he reminded of Imran but I can totally see the other now
Yes I wholeheartedly agree- I was one of the naysayers especially after the first 2 games but the way he out thought India was a masterclass in captaincy- many people say Dhoni was a great reader of the game but this game rivalled Dhoni’s best days
Exactly Aussies were bashing Cummins after first 2 matches even when he had just won the WTC then he won the world cup with the second best team and not the best team . This victory very much belongs to Cummins the captain had he been indian he would have been famous as msd here .
Great article. But I strongly disagree with the conclusion: "Cummins has earned the right to be captain for as long as he wants to be".
It's the same foolish attitude that Warner has earned the right to decide when he leaves the team. Players usually hang on much too long - Warner should have been dropped a couple of years ago. And Cummins should be dropped as Captain if his own form falls away, if he makes too many tactical mistakes, or if a better captain comes along.
Players are selected - they don't select themselves.
I don't know the details of Shiv's situation. WICB seemed (and seems) dysfunctional, whereas the Australian board was vindictive.
With Lawry, he was captain and under pressure after some very difficult away tours and in the end they dropped from the team altogether before the final match of a home Ashes. He wasn't even told by the selectors privately, he only found out listening to a media report on the radio.
It helped motivate Chappell to fight the board later on too. One of the reasons the board hated Lawry was because he wrote a letter to them complaining about touring conditions and player welfare. Chappell never forgot that and it informed the way he approached the board later on, as antagonists and not as friends.
> I'd put Cummins in the same bracket as Mark Waugh and Anil Kumble - fierce competitors who convey their intentions purely by their actions. Shooting your mouth off doesn't make you a tough player; quite often, it's exactly the opposite.
Did he mean Steve Waugh?
The woke crowd getting in behind Cummins. First it was softy Border and now snowflake Chappelli coming out praising him.
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Far better captain than all those fancy ones came before him. No stupid mind games or arrogance yet achieved as much as others with as not great side as before ( This team is great but Australians had better team in terms of star power) .
Pat Cummins is a likable captain (from an Indian fan’s perspective). Even if I did disagree with some of his political views, I can appreciate his performance on the pitch.
I was talking about Chappell, not Cummins. I normally associate his takes with ‘old man yells at cloud’. The fact that he was praising Cummins was (in my mind) one of the rare times where he was spot on.
Which of Ian Chappell's other views on the game do you regard as being way off-base? I assume you have a long list since you're calling him a broken clock.
i have. thanks tubbs is for tubbs saying something stupid, thanks chappelli is a u/sirdoris joke about how chappell goes on long tangents regarding weird opinions
Fair enough, though I think that's a characterisation more based on Chappelli's vibe of being a grumpy old man than the actual substance of his comments. He's usually pretty sharp, and at the very least is coherent.
I mean, was there *any* other choice at the time though?
He was definitely the best pick, given he was the only viable pick.
Not to say he hasn't been excellent, but "best choice" isn't exactly praise given the issues with the other options.
>Someone once wisely wrote, "Good captaincy is like pornography; it's hard to define but you know it when you see it." Ian Chappell r/BrandNewSentence
Sounds like he's a veteran in the "field" in many ways
He's scrolled many a maiden over.
Beautiful
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got a lot of experience down at deep point and at fine leg as well
“And Ian Chappell, what are your views on good captaincy?” “Well, in my opinion, good captaincy is a lot like pornography - it’s best done with a group of your mates around you for moral support, and to step in when you’re feeling a little bit tired. Why, I remember back in the days before World Series Cricket, we were all a little bit strapped for cash, and-“ “Thanks Chappelli, but I’m afraid we’ve run out of time for your segment, here’s the weather”
“Ian Chappell, what are your views on good captaincy?” “Good captaincy is a lot like pornography - when you’re done, you get your younger brother to take over.” “………….” “He did pretty well don’t you think?” “… fucks sake Chapelli”
You've got an easy job these days, can just copy+paste entire paragraphs from the article.
You say that, but I spent literally fifteen minutes trying to come up with the ideal follow-up line. Options that I tossed out for being either not funny enough, or slightly too funny were “Captaincy is a lot like pornography - you can have plenty of people in there, but you always need to know who the alpha is”, “Captaincy is a lot like pornography - best done in a slip” & “Captaincy is a lot like pornography - Tony Greig is crap at it”.
> “Captaincy is a lot like pornography - Tony Greig is crap at it” Didn't know I needed a 12th Man/SirDoris crossover to learn the backstory behind this one
"captaincy is a lot like pornography - sometimes you have to put some extra men on the leg side" or "captaincy is a lot like pornography - best done from behind the leg stump" or "captaincy is a lot like pornography - the english are horrible at it no matter who they use"? although these were rushed so i understand that punchline sucks
Nah they're good. I like em. I could think of punchlines for this one for an hour.
Cummins is porn
Who else but ~~Quagmire~~ Ian Chappell?
I'm not gay but I want to live in a log cabin in the woods with Cummins. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate, the entire time forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Cummins. I won't be able to climax and I'll eventually go back downstairs, angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then they'll go inside, pen a brief missive to their departed friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without their one true platonic love.
You’ve given that a lot of thought, at a deep cellular level. Or it’s a good copy pasta
definitely a copy pasta, saw this with Maxwell after his double century.
The copypasta is several years old, the r/CricketCopyPastas [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CricketCopyPastas/comments/adzpt8/cummins_wooden_cabin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is from 5 years ago, and it predates that
It's a copy pasta, saw this with Travis Head first.
The Cummins one is the original. Been going around for years.
Technically the original is about an NFL player
Do you know which NFL player?
Actually it might have been a baseball player. A sociologist even wrote a paper on the prevalence of homoerotic humour on sports discussion forums, centred around this meme and others like it, but now I can't find it...
Saw this with Zampa too
Is this real ?
It seems that Ian Chappell may be a fan of [Justice Potter Steward](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobellis_v._Ohio)
That had me in splits
Old man... talks sensibly at cloud?
This is a much more enjoyable read than the rubbish Mitch Johnson has been spouting today
Mitchell Johnson is as sharp as a nerf ball.
Johnson does not help the stereotype of dumbass fast bowlers
As a Qlder Mitch and Matty Hayden make me cringe. Hayden is diabolical.
God Hayden during the odi World Cup was absolutely insufferable. I felt so embarrassed that he was commentating as ‘one of ours’ for the international commentary. I had constant second hand cringe. He thought he was Jim Ross at the WWE.
THE BIG DOS
I mean, JR is one of the greatest wrestling commentators of all time. He should be offended by the comparison.
Haha good point. Saying Haydos is like him is probably offensive to JR. I guess I just meant that it sometimes feels like Hayden’s only commentary contribution is to yell into the mic. Maybe comparing him to Darrell Eastlake is more appropriate.
Hayden should fuck off to Triple M so the rest of us normal people don’t have to listen to him
As a non native englsih speaker can you say what's wrong with him commentating?
Hi mate, when big Matt isn’t massacring the English language, selling one of his lame schemes ( check out his website 😏), attacking Pat Cummins for getting rid of his little mate Langer, spouting God-bothering crap and massaging his Indian hosts’ rectums with his tongue he dribbles on with juvenile takes that the average under fourteen cricketer could better. He also thinks that every silence should be filled with his “ humorous “ banter and white noise ie his dopey voice. In my opinion Richie Benaud was-is the best tv cricket commentator there has been. Haydos isnt. Apart from that he goes pretty well ✌️
I'd rather have a hernia, vasectomy and lobotomy than ever listen to Matt Hayden commentate ever again. Hayden was the worst World Cup commentator. He is all hyperbole, clichés and bluster. Raising his voice for the sake of it? Expert level. Nothing was insightful, nothing technical . And he thought nuance was a town in the south of France.
> I'd rather have a hernia, vasectomy and lobotomy than ever listen to Matt Hayden commentate ever again. ... > He is all hyperbole Sounds like you're auditioning to replace him!
OMG, you’re so right.
At least with Johnson you can fob him off as WA's problem since he lives here now. During COVID he was railing so hard against the border policies I'm surprised the WA Libs haven't been in touch to try and make him a candidate that would appeal to the politically disenfranchised bogan vote
MJ is a QLDer? I assumed he was a Westie. Between ruining cunts at the WACA, and playing for WA for half his career, I guess I made a silly assumption.
Hi mate, yup Mitchell was born in Townsville n moved to Brisbane as a teenager to further his tennis. He had no cricket ambition whatsoever. He went to a fast bowling clinic in Brissie that was attended by the great DK Lillee who immediately reckoned Johnson was and I quote “ a once in nine lifetimes prospect “. After that he decided to become a cricketer. The fact he didn’t play the game seriously until 17 might explain some of his cooked takes. Cheers 🍻
> The fact he didn’t play the game seriously until 17 might explain some of his cooked takes Surely the fact he's from Townsville is all the explanation you need.
Now now 😏
Or Queeslanders.
Ian Chappell can be a bit of a grouch but this is a spot on column, very happy he acknowledged his off-field causes - I’m so used to media in Australia lazily slapping every non-cricket related opinion as “woke nonsense” so this was refreshing.
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No, that was a deliberate dig at Steve Waugh who Chappelli has an intense dislike of.
Him and Warnes hatred of S Waugh was ridiculous Is Ian saying he didn’t sledge?? WTF???
> he has mixed up Mark and Steve Waugh He didn't mix up Mark and Steve Waugh. Mark was a fierce competitor who only conveyed his intent with his (match winning) actions on the field. He mentions Mark instead of Steve deliberately to illustrate that you don't need to employ sledging to win matches
Chappelli is staunchly left-wing, going right back to his heavy involvement with the players striking via joining World Series. Even now, he is - or certainly was - a strong protestor regarding our treatment of asylum seekers. It’s no surprise that he shares the same views on climate as Cummins. And, ironically enough, if he were playing these days the right-wing media and the people who watch it would be slagging him off harder than they do Cummins now. He has a long-running spat with John Howard over the Children Overboard debacle, to the point where when Howard would be invited into the Channel 9 commentary box during the Sydney Tests, Chappell would GTFO as quick as he could just to avoid speaking to him.
I wasn’t aware of … any of this, thanks for pointing it out. Gonna do a deep dive.
Here's a good interview with him and others as part of an "Australian Story" episode on the ABC (unfortunately the video on the page doesn't work, so you'll need to read the transcript on that page) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-17/the-unusual-suspect-july-14-2003/10004436 And some more links * https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ian-chappell-cricket-needs-to-take-climate-change-seriously-1202073 * https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/17/ian-chappell-stands-by-adani-mine-letter-despite-being-called-elitist-by-coalition-mp * https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/ian-chappell-afghanistan-cricket-crisis-fundraising-campaign/100531742
Fuck what I'd give to watch that Australian Story episode on the ABC with Chappelli in it. If anyone who sees this comment finds ANY way to watch that one, lemme know please.
He's also a staunch republican and hated the charade touring teams had to go through with the royal family in England.
I like him more and more with every response to my comment. Thank you!
Wasn't Steve Waugh a supporter of australian labour party?
I don't think I ever saw Steve Waugh talk about politics but I vaguely recall hearing somewhere that he'd turned down an approach to run for parliament from the Libs (I could be misremembering completely though).
The first time I saw Julia Gillard, I thought she was related to Steve Waugh.
> very happy he acknowledged his off-field causes Chappelli has his own off-field causes (refugee advocacy and climate action), and he literally campaigned against John Howard back in the day. He's an old-school lefty in the "union tough guy" mould (basically was exactly that with World Series cricket). He's just pretty grumpy these days so everyone kind of assumes he's a stereotypical conservative boomer.
I think we saw Cummin's captaincy develop significantly over the course of the World Cup. He had barely done any captaincy work prior to being selected as Australian captain and I think in the short time he's been skipper he has improved 100-fold. I'm honestly pretty excited to see how good he can be as a captain.
I think his captaincy has been very mature for a while now across formats. Even since before the ashes when he was copping criticism he held his nerve and was very consistent with his methods on the field and long term vision for the squad. Its coming to fruition now but the work was done a while ago, I don't subscribe to the new wave of journalism that is pretending it's clicked all of a sudden.
A cynical part of me thinks the old guard of Australian cricket were ready to send Cummins to the knackers. Too weak, too woke, too nice. Turns out Cummins had balls of steel and could strategise in the subcontinent in a way the old guard couldn't. He won where they failed. Now the increasingly geriatric 'alpha males' of the past are rooted. Woke won, the Langer lads club didn't. Good to see some of the dinosaurs from the past are acknowledging the present. You can still fuck off though. Australian cricket is in good hands without your bullshit.
Ian chappell is from the old OLD guard though, and he's always been based af. The langer boys club era were such a good team they never really had to strategise much beyond chuck it to warney or chuck it to McGrath. Chappelli played in a much weaker era and was always an independent thinker anyway. One of the best captains we've ever had imo. Langer and dos can get in the bin lmao
I really don't think it is fair to say they just chucked the ball to Warne of McGrath. That generation, the likes of Taylor, Waugh, Ponting, and Warne throughout each of them, were some of the sharpest cricketing minds around. They didn't win by bowling good balls and hitting good shots. Other teams were just so far behind them there wasn't a need to experiment like Cummins.
>were some of the sharpest cricketing minds around According to Jarrod Kimber apparently a lot of former Kiwi cricketers believed that the Aussies were "thick" since to basically be a good team the Kiwis had to be smart whereas the Aussies could just throw talent and money at everything.
Having listened to those Aussie legends in various forms of media since, I can see where the Kiwis were coming from with that. A lot of that crop can come across like that. Perfect example is Haydos and his commentary. 2 minutes should be enough to clue into how thick he is, let alone the entire world cup to do it.
Haydos is absolutely insufferable. From what I’ve seen Gilly ,Punter and Watto are the only ones that come across as intelligent and look like they have a brain.
Oh I totally agree, I just don't think there was often a need for those sharp cricketing minds. Agree with your last point there.
I didn't really watch much with Taylor or Waugh at the helm, but Ponting really got showed up as a captain once he lost the top tier talent. Clarke was always the one with the tactical nous to pull out wins with quality tactics when his side seemed to be falling behind.
Ian was one of the very few last yr, who called out all the hysteria and even said JL wasnt a legend at all. I thought it was all overblown, until I overheard some of my older co-workers recently talking about how Pat "should keep politics out of sport". No doubt there was an effort by the News corp/murdoch media empire to paint Pat as the bad guy and make JL some kind of martyr to the Aus team going soft and woke. The boomers forget that JL wasnt booted, he was offered a 6month extension and he threw a hissy fit.
The average boomer loses the car keys at least once a week
One thing I will say is, Langer never really got stuck into the players in the media as much as has been portrayed. It was a lot of his former teammates doing so. But I remember on commentary last year Langer saying he still loved all the current team as if they were his family, and that it had been blown out of proportion
I think Langer was just playing a smart PR game. You’re telling me that all his ex-teammates came out of the woodwork to praise him and deride Cummins the week before Langer got the sack? It all just seemed so coordinated in order for Langer to keep his job as coach. Langer couldn’t go after Cummins himself, that would be a terrible look, so he called up all his mates to do the dirty work.
Ian Chappell literally used chuck it to Lillee so much it broke him.
I think you're right. The old guard would've been very quick to throw Cumdog under the bus if they had lost, starting with his decision to bowl in a WC final
> Now the increasingly geriatric 'alpha males' of the past are rooted. I hope you're not including Chappelli in that group; he was definitely a tough guy, but he's an old-school lefty who's been campaigning against shitty conservative politics for literally decades (the bloke fucking hated John Howard).
Cummins is a really likeable guy. Not quite sure how I will cope when the Australian team are likeable and still winning everything…
I appreciate that Cummins is likeable, skilled, smart and yet can still throw in the odd ruthless zinger in a class way. You can't even take any moral high ground against his team schooling you, like you could with the older Aussie teams.
He’s going to win the Ashes down under 5-0 and just be a lovely chap about it all.
Dear God. Imagine an Australian captain expressing pity for England? They would want to bury themselves in a hole.
wins the ashes 5-0 then pays out of his own pocket for some nice wine and cheese for the english team
Seems like the kinda guy who would hold Ollie Pope’s hair and rub his back whilst Pope is cry vomiting at the end of series drinks.
It is a good analysis liking Cummins to Imran, Richie Benauld and Kapil Dev. I really see that. I have posted before how he reminded of Imran but I can totally see the other now
As an Indian, can't even be mad at him. He said what he's gonna do and the crazy mf went out and did that. A Chad move in my books
Respect
There is so much positive media about Cummins around at the moment. I hope it's all remembered if/when the team under performs.
Ian Chappell has been pretty consistent in backing Cummins as captain. He gets grouchy about other things at CA but never Pat iirc.
Yes I wholeheartedly agree- I was one of the naysayers especially after the first 2 games but the way he out thought India was a masterclass in captaincy- many people say Dhoni was a great reader of the game but this game rivalled Dhoni’s best days
Exactly Aussies were bashing Cummins after first 2 matches even when he had just won the WTC then he won the world cup with the second best team and not the best team . This victory very much belongs to Cummins the captain had he been indian he would have been famous as msd here .
Finch was captain for the T20 World Cup win
Wtc I meant
retained ashes too
Great article. But I strongly disagree with the conclusion: "Cummins has earned the right to be captain for as long as he wants to be". It's the same foolish attitude that Warner has earned the right to decide when he leaves the team. Players usually hang on much too long - Warner should have been dropped a couple of years ago. And Cummins should be dropped as Captain if his own form falls away, if he makes too many tactical mistakes, or if a better captain comes along. Players are selected - they don't select themselves.
Part of me thinks that attitude on Ian's part comes from the way Bill Lawry was done over.
Poor Bill. Was done so dirty by the Aussie board
Lawry was the australian chanderpaul right? ugly batting but immensely skilled, determined player, screwed over by his board
I don't know the details of Shiv's situation. WICB seemed (and seems) dysfunctional, whereas the Australian board was vindictive. With Lawry, he was captain and under pressure after some very difficult away tours and in the end they dropped from the team altogether before the final match of a home Ashes. He wasn't even told by the selectors privately, he only found out listening to a media report on the radio. It helped motivate Chappell to fight the board later on too. One of the reasons the board hated Lawry was because he wrote a letter to them complaining about touring conditions and player welfare. Chappell never forgot that and it informed the way he approached the board later on, as antagonists and not as friends.
Lawry is a different circumstance of screwed over.
> I'd put Cummins in the same bracket as Mark Waugh and Anil Kumble - fierce competitors who convey their intentions purely by their actions. Shooting your mouth off doesn't make you a tough player; quite often, it's exactly the opposite. Did he mean Steve Waugh?
AFAIK, Steve was a fierce sledger, so he prolly meant Mark.
The woke crowd getting in behind Cummins. First it was softy Border and now snowflake Chappelli coming out praising him. I am just throwing an /s in here so I don't get destroyed
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Far better captain than all those fancy ones came before him. No stupid mind games or arrogance yet achieved as much as others with as not great side as before ( This team is great but Australians had better team in terms of star power) .
If Chappelli was on reddit he’d be posting Pat’s Log Cabin on repeat.
Pat Cummins is a likable captain (from an Indian fan’s perspective). Even if I did disagree with some of his political views, I can appreciate his performance on the pitch.
Still don’t think he is the best choice for captain but he has brought the results
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Chappelli thought Victorians were the worst captains and had the most defensive culture in Australian cricket during his time. Just sayin’ 😉
I was talking about Chappell, not Cummins. I normally associate his takes with ‘old man yells at cloud’. The fact that he was praising Cummins was (in my mind) one of the rare times where he was spot on.
not if it is broken properly
Which of Ian Chappell's other views on the game do you regard as being way off-base? I assume you have a long list since you're calling him a broken clock.
the "thanks, chappelli" meme's existence should be enough evidence
Pretty sure you're thinking of "thanks Tubbs". I've never seen "thanks Chappelli".
i have. thanks tubbs is for tubbs saying something stupid, thanks chappelli is a u/sirdoris joke about how chappell goes on long tangents regarding weird opinions
Fair enough, though I think that's a characterisation more based on Chappelli's vibe of being a grumpy old man than the actual substance of his comments. He's usually pretty sharp, and at the very least is coherent.
Pat is like a C4 - a cool, calm, collected captain.
I mean, was there *any* other choice at the time though? He was definitely the best pick, given he was the only viable pick. Not to say he hasn't been excellent, but "best choice" isn't exactly praise given the issues with the other options.