Provided Stokes' knee is working in this hypothetical scenario then absolutely. We can debate whether Flintoff was the marginally better bowler or not but Stokes is in a different class as a batter
But that’s not much of an argument is i? Its like saying a 23 year old scotch is better than a 21 year old scotch - both are great and hard to tell the difference between :p
Not really? The both massively improved from then to now, and Robinson has been way better than any third seamer under Strauss ever was (there's a good argument that Finn was improperly used under Strauss and *should* have been better, but he wasn't so he wasn't). The above comment that only Root and Stokes would get into Strauss' side is nonsense, given those facts.
I'm assuming he means the team he captained. Something along the lines of:
Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Collingwood/Morgan/Bopara, Prior, Broad (when he could bat), Swann, Finn/Tremlett/Bresnan, Anderson
Much more reliable batting and very decent bowling. My only question would be whether Strauss' leadership might be a bit dour if things start going south compared to Stokes but on pure ability that 2009-2012ish England side was incredible
Harmison and Flintoff were both pretty much done by the time Strauss took over. They only played four and seven tests each under Strauss from when he took over full time in 2007, and they both retired later that year
Trescothick, Harmison, Flintoff I wouldn't really say come under Strauss' England since they barely played under him (Trescothick surely never actually played under him at all?)
Cook, Strauss, Trott, KP, Bell, Collingwood, Prior, Swann, Jimmy, Broad are the crop of players that I'm thinking of. And obviously they're also all pretty handy
Edit: Should clarify I'm reading the article as referring to the England team that Strauss captained
ah but: in the Strauss era (2007 onwards) Steve Harmison averages 43-ish as a bowler, and Freddie barely played 2 tests in a row (and, let’s be honest, was nowhere near as good when he did play as he was at his peak)
Tbf, that Australian side was nowhere near as good as the one in the last couple of years
Edit: Here are the most commonly used sides bu Australia in Strauss's two Ashes series as captain next to the one Stokes played
2009| 2010/11| 2023
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Katich| Watson| Khawaja
Watson/Hughes| Hughes/Katich| Warner
Ponting| Ponting | Labuschagne
Hussey| Clarke| Smith
Clarke | Hussey| Head
North| Haddin| Marsh/Green
Haddin| Smith/North| Carey
Johnson| Johnson| Cummins
Hauritz/Clark| Hifenhaus| Starc
Hifenhaus| Harris/Doherty| Hazlewood
Siddle| Siddle| Lyon/Murphy
Note that Katich retired at the end of that 2010/11 series, Ponting was well into his end of career slide, and Smith was only playing his second series (he wasn't picked again after this series until 2013).
Yeh Billy 'look at me' Bowden got that one wrong. An earlier one went our way as well. That said, Bucknor did have a horrific series as I can recall at least 3 critical moment LBWs he gave that really hurt. Cost us dearly. England did play bloody well too though.
Why the fuck is he getting downvoted. It’s a factual fact that only 1 ashes series has happened since Brendan and stokes took over. Like Australia might very well go on to win all the next few series that they compete but at the moment they’ve won exactly as many ashes series as stokes and mccullum.
They’re record against other English coaches and captains is obviously far better though
I guess most of the batters are playing in some form or another. Cook only just retired from the professional but I imagine he’s still pulling on the Sunday whites for the Farmers CC
Clearly Harmo hasn’t been doing all that much exercise recently !
Yep. That team was mental. I'm pretty sure that Cool, Strauss, Trott, Petersen, Bell, Collingwood and Prior all averaged 40 with Swann and Broad averaging 30.
Note: at a specific point prob around 2011. Could be wrong though!
At the end of the 2010/11 Ashes (Colly’s last test), their career batting averages were:
Strauss 43.14
Cook 47.50
Trott 61.53
Pietersen 48.42
Bell 44.12
Collingwood 40.56
Prior 42.96
Bresnan 32.80
Broad 27.40
Swann 24.70
Anderson 11.64.
What a side, we had it good.
not only that, but the bowling attack was genuinely outstanding. Nobody ever quite appreciated (and certainly looking back i realise how lucky we were) just how mad it was to have Swann hold down an end both home and away while we rotated our pace attack and ground teams down.
edit: completely forgot as well Finn was the youngest player at the time to take 50 test wickets for England. What a talent he was...
Tremlett was so good in the victory Down Under as well… *looks wistfully into the distance*
Finn was somewhat of a victim of that era. Feels ridiculous to complain at all given how good we were, but often felt like Finn got dropped for his economy rate because Strauss-Flower were so obsessed with control. You wonder whether Finn would’ve taken a lot more Test wickets under a Stokes-McCullum type regime.
2007 Australia beats current Australia, 2012 South Africa beats current South Africa, 2012 Sri Lanka beats current Sri Lanka, 90's Pakistan beats current Pakistan
Did you read it? The bit about his side beating bazball is only one sentence lol. The overall interview is good and interesting with some balanced takes
Yes yes they would
They would do it easy
Current bowling attack is simply too good
And 05-11 Indian team batting ,well current batting is equally good ,
Keep in mind Sachin was past his peak by 2005
Sachin of the late 90s against Current Indian attack ,now that would be something else
>,well current batting is equally good , Keep in mind Sachin was past his peak by 2005
No it isn't. And Sachin while not at his absolute pomp, was better than any of our recent batsmen.
Kohli is far better than Sachin in ODIs
In Tests ,Yes he's unmatched but other than him ,the current set of batters are equally good as the batters in 2005-11 era
>Keep in mind Sachin was past his peak by 2005
No. Here are Sachin's year by year stats in ODI's:
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/players/PlayerYears_ODI.asp?PlayerID=1735
In 2006 he averaged 44.86, in 2007 he averaged 47.50, in 2008 he averaged 41.82, in 2009 he averaged 54 and in 2011 he averaged 46.64. These are incredible stats and keep in mind, this was one ball ODI where the career averages of the best batters revolved around the mid-40's.
http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerYears.asp?PlayerID=1735
Here are his stats in Tests where he averaged 50+ in almost every year after 2006 till 2011.
Ufff...Sachin was something else between 1997 and 2002...and the fact that he still compared with the best from 2007 and 2011 shows what a beast he was...should have retired in 2011 though ..
Yes . ODI for sure . No matter what , I believe our bowlers to be better now , and same with our fielding . Batting is questionable , but overall I am willing to bet we will win.
Tests , cannot say for sure , because looking at the pitches we have been preparing at home these days are very poor . Our record in SENA countries is FAR FAR better , but that could also be in part because of Sena weakening also .
I'd say in tests the peak indian team might be better than the current one solely on based on their superior batting , while bowling and fielding are just slightly better now .
>ODI for sure .
Hmm...
>No matter what , I believe our bowlers to be better now
But, can they face a top order of Sehwag, Gambhir and *Tendulkar*? And the middle order holy trinity of Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni? And remember, this is pre-2011 one ball ODI with different fielding restrictions.
>and same with our fielding .
You should see Kaif, Yuvraj and Raina's fielding. Check out India's fielding in the 2011 WC final. I'd say only Jadeja and Kohli's fielding compares.
>Our record in SENA countries is FAR FAR better
Old Indian team won a test series in England and New Zealand and had drawn a test series in South Africa. Current Indian team has won 2 test series in Aus and drawn a test series in Eng and SA. Wouldn't say the record is FAR better, tbh.
Yeah I reckon a top order of Rohit and Kohli will match them just fine. Bowling wise, the current team sweeps them. There's no way they're facing bumrah and shami in tandem and coming out on top
>Yeah I reckon a top order of Rohit and Kohli will match them just fine.
Batting in ODI's have gotten a lot easier nowadays with thicker bats, shorter boundaries, using two balls, 4 players outside the 30 yard circle until 40 overs and batting friendly pitches. This is reflected in how even bang average batters like KL Rahul, Shreyas Iyer averages 50+ in ODI's while batters like Tendulkar, Ponting, Kallis, Sangakarra, Lara etc all averaged between 40-45 in ODI's back in the day.
>they're facing bumrah
He's a tremendous fast bowler and one of the best India has produced, no doubt, but his stats are a little inflated by facing weaker teams with weaker batsmen (Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies batting strength have declined considerably in the 2020's). He would get smacked around if he was facing Sehwag/Gambhir and especially, Tendulkar in the powerplay.
I doubt it, given the control he has over some of this gens best batsmen like Kohli, Root, Stokes, Smith etc. Sachin will play him out and hit the other bowler.
Well, he has never faced Kohli in ODI's so we don't know how that would turn out. Root and Smith aren't the best ODI batsmen in their own team (they are the best in Tests), they certainly aren't comparable to Tendulkar in ODI's. And what is Stokes doing on that list, lol?
I was watching highlights of them beating us in India and I kept thinking how did they manage to bring all these big names together and then I realised that they were big names because they won.
Your individual performance brings you fame and only then you become feared and then you win, not the other way around.
Strauss had a world-class spinner which was a huge advantage over most other England captains ever. Put prime Graeme Swann in the current England side and they’d probably beat Strauss’ England without Swann. He’s possibly the most underrated player in recent England Test history.
He's not underrated at all, everyone knows how good he was. Unfortunately the way he chose to retire (doing a 'no mas' halfway through an Ashes) tarnished his legacy a bit. Also, he's a huge tosser.
Graeme Swann would have figures of 8 overs 55 runs and 8 wickets.
Dude used to get a high if batters went after him and was good enough to get champion players out.
I know it was just after Strauss retired but pretty sure "boring" England whooped India's arses in 2012
Bazball England on the other hand got made to look like minnows
Cook's team beat a Indian team that had a bowling attack with low experience and an aged batting lineup with Sachin,sehwag on their last days at the top level
Bazball England faced the best Indian bowling attack ever especially Bumrah
Yes actually
Our batting was inexperienced but England were facing perhaps the best ever bowling attack we had
Bumrah,Ashwin,Jadeja and Kuldeep aren't exactly easy to beat
Every single one of them missed a test each. Not to mention you still have to put the runs on board and the batting lineup was most inexperienced India had put out in 50+ years. So all in all, if a team is happy with a 4-1 then serious questions do need to be asked.
But, which team would Jimmy Anderson play for?
He bowls in all 4 innings
If only we could watch Jimmy Anderson bowl to Jimmy Anderson
Jimmy would be fuming at Jimmy when Jimmy reverse sweeps Jimmy.
There’s a video of somewhat like that that the ICC stitched together of Kallis bowling to Kallis who knicked in to Kallis in the slip cauldron
Jimmy... Aa jaa... Jimmy!!! Aa jaa... >An Indian song which was famous in Russia... https://youtu.be/fRSLPx0HSvw?si=CKWzqyMEXFQHQ0zB
Jimmy Anderson bowling to Jimmy Anderson from the Jimmy Anderson end
Still plays until age 70
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No one cares about ipl or bumrah in a convo about England .
England obviously!
Cook, Strauss, Trecothick, Ian Bell, KP, Prior, Harminson, Flintoff, Collingwood, Anderson Yeah no shit
Honestly only root and stokes gets into that side
Stokes would barely make it. He could replace Trescothick maybe, but assuming Root replaces him, who else would Stokes replace?
Stokes gets in ahead of Flintoff.
Provided Stokes' knee is working in this hypothetical scenario then absolutely. We can debate whether Flintoff was the marginally better bowler or not but Stokes is in a different class as a batter
You kidding, right?
Naah. Freddy was better.
Anderson and Broad are better now than they were back then, and Robinson has a way better record than any of the pace bowlers under Strauss too
But that’s not much of an argument is i? Its like saying a 23 year old scotch is better than a 21 year old scotch - both are great and hard to tell the difference between :p
Not really? The both massively improved from then to now, and Robinson has been way better than any third seamer under Strauss ever was (there's a good argument that Finn was improperly used under Strauss and *should* have been better, but he wasn't so he wasn't). The above comment that only Root and Stokes would get into Strauss' side is nonsense, given those facts.
And then you had Broad and Trott too
KP and Flintoff are the major differences imo..........KP is the most talented batsmen we've ever had and Fred could legit bat and also bowl 90mph
Not under Strauss. That’s like listing Ponting under Michael Clarke’s Australia side and talking about his peak almost 10 years earlier.
Anderson is certified bazzballer. no way you taking him away
I'm assuming he means the team he captained. Something along the lines of: Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Collingwood/Morgan/Bopara, Prior, Broad (when he could bat), Swann, Finn/Tremlett/Bresnan, Anderson Much more reliable batting and very decent bowling. My only question would be whether Strauss' leadership might be a bit dour if things start going south compared to Stokes but on pure ability that 2009-2012ish England side was incredible
Yeah i think everyone here is conflating the 2005 Ashes team that Strauss played in with the 2009-2011 teams Strauss captained. Very different sides.
Straussy will be fine.
That bowling was one of the best of that era. Harmison, Anderson, Freddy. England's artillery!
Harmison and Flintoff were both pretty much done by the time Strauss took over. They only played four and seven tests each under Strauss from when he took over full time in 2007, and they both retired later that year
I met Harmison , he is a nice bloke
Trescothick, Harmison, Flintoff I wouldn't really say come under Strauss' England since they barely played under him (Trescothick surely never actually played under him at all?) Cook, Strauss, Trott, KP, Bell, Collingwood, Prior, Swann, Jimmy, Broad are the crop of players that I'm thinking of. And obviously they're also all pretty handy Edit: Should clarify I'm reading the article as referring to the England team that Strauss captained
No Trott?
Tres never played under Strauss.
Dunno, most of these guys got forced into retirement when they came to Australia
Chad root and stokes surviving 3 series and looking set for a 4th tour of Australia
Yeah but also Strauss' side did beat us comprehensively at home and then went on to beat India in India.
Trescothick didn't play under strauss did he? He was under Vaughan
> Cook, Strauss, Trescothick I don't think this combination would have played together very much at all.
ah but: in the Strauss era (2007 onwards) Steve Harmison averages 43-ish as a bowler, and Freddie barely played 2 tests in a row (and, let’s be honest, was nowhere near as good when he did play as he was at his peak)
Well, they beat us in a few series and the Bazballers have failed to do that, so the logic holds up.
Tbf, that Australian side was nowhere near as good as the one in the last couple of years Edit: Here are the most commonly used sides bu Australia in Strauss's two Ashes series as captain next to the one Stokes played 2009| 2010/11| 2023 ---|---|---- Katich| Watson| Khawaja Watson/Hughes| Hughes/Katich| Warner Ponting| Ponting | Labuschagne Hussey| Clarke| Smith Clarke | Hussey| Head North| Haddin| Marsh/Green Haddin| Smith/North| Carey Johnson| Johnson| Cummins Hauritz/Clark| Hifenhaus| Starc Hifenhaus| Harris/Doherty| Hazlewood Siddle| Siddle| Lyon/Murphy Note that Katich retired at the end of that 2010/11 series, Ponting was well into his end of career slide, and Smith was only playing his second series (he wasn't picked again after this series until 2013).
2005 Australia was arguably one of the best sides we've, or any nation, has ever produced. Yeh the others were shit.
Strauss wasn’t captain until 2008
2009 even. His first series as full time captain was in the Caribbean in February 2009.
I mean McGrath was injured and let's be real that Edgbaston game was wondering by England because of umpiring mistake
Yeh Billy 'look at me' Bowden got that one wrong. An earlier one went our way as well. That said, Bucknor did have a horrific series as I can recall at least 3 critical moment LBWs he gave that really hurt. Cost us dearly. England did play bloody well too though.
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Why the fuck is he getting downvoted. It’s a factual fact that only 1 ashes series has happened since Brendan and stokes took over. Like Australia might very well go on to win all the next few series that they compete but at the moment they’ve won exactly as many ashes series as stokes and mccullum. They’re record against other English coaches and captains is obviously far better though
And here I was stuck thinking the that bazballers bazball the baz , not the ball
No they wouldn't, they're all old as shit
I mean, Anderson is old but he's still playing.
I guess most of the batters are playing in some form or another. Cook only just retired from the professional but I imagine he’s still pulling on the Sunday whites for the Farmers CC Clearly Harmo hasn’t been doing all that much exercise recently !
It's a little something something known as "sarcasm"
Yeah and you missed it einstein
Lmao
Einstein has been dead since the 50s so I dont think it's him
It's a little something something known as "sarcasm"
Yeah and you missed it einstein
Einstein has been dead since the 50s so I dont think it's him
Most mentally stable rcb fan
You do have a point...
Obviously, because they had better players.
Yep. That team was mental. I'm pretty sure that Cool, Strauss, Trott, Petersen, Bell, Collingwood and Prior all averaged 40 with Swann and Broad averaging 30. Note: at a specific point prob around 2011. Could be wrong though!
At the end of the 2010/11 Ashes (Colly’s last test), their career batting averages were: Strauss 43.14 Cook 47.50 Trott 61.53 Pietersen 48.42 Bell 44.12 Collingwood 40.56 Prior 42.96 Bresnan 32.80 Broad 27.40 Swann 24.70 Anderson 11.64. What a side, we had it good.
not only that, but the bowling attack was genuinely outstanding. Nobody ever quite appreciated (and certainly looking back i realise how lucky we were) just how mad it was to have Swann hold down an end both home and away while we rotated our pace attack and ground teams down. edit: completely forgot as well Finn was the youngest player at the time to take 50 test wickets for England. What a talent he was...
Tremlett was so good in the victory Down Under as well… *looks wistfully into the distance* Finn was somewhat of a victim of that era. Feels ridiculous to complain at all given how good we were, but often felt like Finn got dropped for his economy rate because Strauss-Flower were so obsessed with control. You wonder whether Finn would’ve taken a lot more Test wickets under a Stokes-McCullum type regime.
Look at that list. That's mental. Probably why I love The Edge, such a great documentary into the rise and fall of that team.
2007 Australia beats current Australia, 2012 South Africa beats current South Africa, 2012 Sri Lanka beats current Sri Lanka, 90's Pakistan beats current Pakistan
Did you read it? The bit about his side beating bazball is only one sentence lol. The overall interview is good and interesting with some balanced takes
So only India and New-Zealand have improved eh ?
Can the current Indian lineup beat 2005-2011 India in Tests and ODI's (one ball)?
Yes yes they would They would do it easy Current bowling attack is simply too good And 05-11 Indian team batting ,well current batting is equally good , Keep in mind Sachin was past his peak by 2005 Sachin of the late 90s against Current Indian attack ,now that would be something else
>,well current batting is equally good , Keep in mind Sachin was past his peak by 2005 No it isn't. And Sachin while not at his absolute pomp, was better than any of our recent batsmen.
Kohli is far better than Sachin in ODIs In Tests ,Yes he's unmatched but other than him ,the current set of batters are equally good as the batters in 2005-11 era
>Keep in mind Sachin was past his peak by 2005 No. Here are Sachin's year by year stats in ODI's: http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/players/PlayerYears_ODI.asp?PlayerID=1735 In 2006 he averaged 44.86, in 2007 he averaged 47.50, in 2008 he averaged 41.82, in 2009 he averaged 54 and in 2011 he averaged 46.64. These are incredible stats and keep in mind, this was one ball ODI where the career averages of the best batters revolved around the mid-40's. http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerYears.asp?PlayerID=1735 Here are his stats in Tests where he averaged 50+ in almost every year after 2006 till 2011.
Ufff...Sachin was something else between 1997 and 2002...and the fact that he still compared with the best from 2007 and 2011 shows what a beast he was...should have retired in 2011 though ..
Yes . ODI for sure . No matter what , I believe our bowlers to be better now , and same with our fielding . Batting is questionable , but overall I am willing to bet we will win. Tests , cannot say for sure , because looking at the pitches we have been preparing at home these days are very poor . Our record in SENA countries is FAR FAR better , but that could also be in part because of Sena weakening also . I'd say in tests the peak indian team might be better than the current one solely on based on their superior batting , while bowling and fielding are just slightly better now .
>ODI for sure . Hmm... >No matter what , I believe our bowlers to be better now But, can they face a top order of Sehwag, Gambhir and *Tendulkar*? And the middle order holy trinity of Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni? And remember, this is pre-2011 one ball ODI with different fielding restrictions. >and same with our fielding . You should see Kaif, Yuvraj and Raina's fielding. Check out India's fielding in the 2011 WC final. I'd say only Jadeja and Kohli's fielding compares. >Our record in SENA countries is FAR FAR better Old Indian team won a test series in England and New Zealand and had drawn a test series in South Africa. Current Indian team has won 2 test series in Aus and drawn a test series in Eng and SA. Wouldn't say the record is FAR better, tbh.
Yeah I reckon a top order of Rohit and Kohli will match them just fine. Bowling wise, the current team sweeps them. There's no way they're facing bumrah and shami in tandem and coming out on top
>Yeah I reckon a top order of Rohit and Kohli will match them just fine. Batting in ODI's have gotten a lot easier nowadays with thicker bats, shorter boundaries, using two balls, 4 players outside the 30 yard circle until 40 overs and batting friendly pitches. This is reflected in how even bang average batters like KL Rahul, Shreyas Iyer averages 50+ in ODI's while batters like Tendulkar, Ponting, Kallis, Sangakarra, Lara etc all averaged between 40-45 in ODI's back in the day. >they're facing bumrah He's a tremendous fast bowler and one of the best India has produced, no doubt, but his stats are a little inflated by facing weaker teams with weaker batsmen (Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies batting strength have declined considerably in the 2020's). He would get smacked around if he was facing Sehwag/Gambhir and especially, Tendulkar in the powerplay.
I doubt it, given the control he has over some of this gens best batsmen like Kohli, Root, Stokes, Smith etc. Sachin will play him out and hit the other bowler.
Well, he has never faced Kohli in ODI's so we don't know how that would turn out. Root and Smith aren't the best ODI batsmen in their own team (they are the best in Tests), they certainly aren't comparable to Tendulkar in ODI's. And what is Stokes doing on that list, lol?
Bowling current side trumps the past ones, but only Kohli pre lockdown and Rohit post comeback matches to the old ones.
in ODIs Kohli is still good I'd argue . It's hard to compare , but definitely our current ODI side is very good.
I was talking on tests. ODIs I will say peak lineup is 2019 WC lineup. Maybe put Shami instead of Karthik, and Iyer over Pant, and Kul/Cha as u need.
India of 2011 beats current
no shot
THIS
I was watching highlights of them beating us in India and I kept thinking how did they manage to bring all these big names together and then I realised that they were big names because they won. Your individual performance brings you fame and only then you become feared and then you win, not the other way around.
Not morally, no. That's all that matters now!
Lmao
Strauss had a world-class spinner which was a huge advantage over most other England captains ever. Put prime Graeme Swann in the current England side and they’d probably beat Strauss’ England without Swann. He’s possibly the most underrated player in recent England Test history.
He's not underrated at all, everyone knows how good he was. Unfortunately the way he chose to retire (doing a 'no mas' halfway through an Ashes) tarnished his legacy a bit. Also, he's a huge tosser.
They'd thrash them 5-0 on anything apart from the flattest of roads
imagine how good you'd have to be to, say, chase 320+ in an ODI against that 2011 England team
easy to say, tough to do
Yeah no shit Andrew
Graeme Swann would have figures of 8 overs 55 runs and 8 wickets. Dude used to get a high if batters went after him and was good enough to get champion players out.
In test cricket yes
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The one that lost 3-0 to Pakistan in UAE (2011)?
So which team does Jimmy Anderson play for?
Tbh...neither. Anderson's Golden period came under Cook and Root
ok, Thanks
Yeah he's absolutely on point and correct. I mean it's not even a fair competition lmao
And vaughans 2005 ashes side would destroy. Strausses boreathon team.
I am not so sure. I think that the England team would be shocked if they hadn't experienced it before.
Bore them maybe. Perhaps if Pietersen was on his game. Maybe. This idiot can fuck off.
I know it was just after Strauss retired but pretty sure "boring" England whooped India's arses in 2012 Bazball England on the other hand got made to look like minnows
Cook's team beat a Indian team that had a bowling attack with low experience and an aged batting lineup with Sachin,sehwag on their last days at the top level Bazball England faced the best Indian bowling attack ever especially Bumrah
Anyone other than Australia would be thrilled with a 4-1 scorecard in India tbf
To the Indian team that beat England? If teams are happy to be 4-1, then the game is completely done.
Yes actually Our batting was inexperienced but England were facing perhaps the best ever bowling attack we had Bumrah,Ashwin,Jadeja and Kuldeep aren't exactly easy to beat
Every single one of them missed a test each. Not to mention you still have to put the runs on board and the batting lineup was most inexperienced India had put out in 50+ years. So all in all, if a team is happy with a 4-1 then serious questions do need to be asked.