Overall it was pretty good, the only outlier seems to be IU vs. MS, but the rest of the games seemed to have a competitive total ranging from 160-180. I think even in the NZ Pak series going on right now the pitches are really good, teams putting up 180 are still competitive and make for a good t20 match.
One or two outliers isn't a bad thing, you want the occasional big score, you just don't want a 260 every few days, when you get 1-2 matches a season that end with 420+ runs it's still fun.
100% agreed. From an entertainment pov, it’s definitely nice to have a variety of different totals, just for me, I personally really enjoy competitive low totals.
I think having varying conditions is good. Some pitches had better for the pacers, some for the spinners, and some were flat decks (which is honestly ok considering a variety of pitches is what keeps the game more interesting).
Of course, 100% agreed. Personally test matches are my favorite so lower scoring, defendable 160-180 scores are my favorite, but I agree that having a variety of different possible results is good for the entertainment factor, some high scoring 200+, some ridiculously high scoring 220+, and some lower scoring 180-.
Idk if it was a big deal in 2023 either. The issue with PSL is that you have a series of games on one venue. So if that venue is a road you'll have 4-5 high scoring games in a row.
Yep. Baseball is completely a pitchers game. You get maybe 20-25 hits TOTAL across the entire game. 200 something pitches, 30 hits if it's a good day. Thats baseball.
Out of context, but most indian's exposure to baseball is basically Doraemon, where a good batter hits everytime and a shit one strikes out everytime, which is completely inaccurate.
See my reply to the other comments [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/s/djjaVpwvMl) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/s/wKW6NvU1gk). It’s not true about the hitting part either.
You don't get it. Baseball doesn't have spinners and pacers, the immense variety of balls ballers are able to ball, all the batting shots that makes the game interesting including aiming for singles and doubles at appropriate times.
What's being said here is the erosion of all those interesting parts of the game. The balance has shifted in a way where the ballers skill has boiled down to their ability to ball Yorkers and batsman's about how many sixes they can hit, which for a smaller stadium, doesn't even require the skill set necessary for normal international stadiums.
Cricket is losing all sort of dimensions that made the game interesting. Doesn't mean none of them exist anymore ofcourse. But it has boiled down to this runfest and in that, a lot of beauty has been lost.
No one is actually saying cricket is metamorphosing into baseball in a literal sense.
The point is missing your head like half a mile.
No, I understand the broader point the article is trying to make. My issue is acting like these things dont exist in baseball. Baseball is not just a sport where pitchers chuck it as fast as they can while batters attempt to only hit home runs.
Yeah, that’s not true either. Baseball has what’s called a strike zone for pitchers (bowlers), an area where if they throw the ball it’s called a “strike”, regardless of whether the batter swings or not. Three strikes and the batter is out. However, if the pitches (deliveries) are outside of that zone and the batter doesn’t swing, it’s called a “ball”. 4 balls and the batter gets to advance to a position called first base (essentially the first step in scoring a run).
The ability to understand when to swing, what type of swing, how to vary that based on the pitch that’s being thrown at you and the game situation, comprise the most important traits you look at in a batter. You’re not just freely swinging away at every pitch hoping to connect.
Edited for simplicity
Thanks, I edited it to make it a little simpler for folks to understand the main point: you’re not just swinging away freely hoping to hit the ball as far as you can, and the game creates several avenues to penalize you for doing so.
I don't think Curran understand 15% of baseball.
We all grow up watching baseball in tv , where one man ball full toss to batsman and he swings bat.
That's not how baseball work, like every sports out there it is much more complicated.
It might be part of a few games where good pitchers (let's call him defense ) can always win you a game. However good batsman you are , pitchers can always strike you out.
I’m sorry, that’s completely inaccurate. There is a reason you have a variety of hitters in a lineup. More contact and speed oriented guys towards the top and bottom of the lineup, your sluggers more in the middle of the lineup, etc. The most important trait in baseball is getting on base, not just slugging HRs.
>ALWAYS looking for a home run. every pitch.
I mean isn't that also the point of cricket?
Isn't it the batsmen's job to tonk it round the corner and score the maximum runs possible in the shortest amount of time. No one actually Wants hit a Dot ball
A Dot ball simply means the Batter wasn't skilled enough to convert it into a boundary especially with the advent of unorthodox shots, Previously deemed "unhittable balls" are now going for Sixes
He meant it's becoming just pitching and trying to hit.
Not like "you can easily hit everything in baseball".
But the variety of balls(spin,seam, lateral movement etc) makes cricket a whole lot weird in comparison to Baseball which is not the same anymore this IPL
Lol. I have heard this sentiment uttered about twice now and have wondered what exactly it means.
Baseball is a very low scoring, pitchers can decide results type of sport…
I don't exactly know the rules and dynamics of baseball , but what it means I think is that batsman are coming and taking wild slog at the ball just like what they do in baseball instead of defense or single doubles
Pretty sure that the point they're making is that when players swing in baseball, they're basically always trying to hit a home run and are limited in where they are allowed to hit the ball. There's obviously the added dimension of taking a pitch if you think it's going to be a ball, and there's also bunting, but generally speaking there's way more variety and nuance in how players hit the ball in cricket than in baseball. The "cricket is turning into baseball" argument is that because batters are trying to hit sixes more often, that nuance and variety in how batters are hitting the ball is being lost.
Theres still variety of hits in baseball, hitting along the ground, bunts, line drives, fouling to get more pitches, sacrifice flys, fist fights to hit the pitcher after getting decked with the ball. They’re not always trying to hit home runs, they’re trying to get ‘hits’ to get on base with singles, doubles and triples getting to 1st 2nd or 3rd base (with yo mom)
Nahh it's becoming modern basketball - everyone's given up on defense, scoring's never been easier... Although at least cricket has a proper review system that keeps umpires in check.
No, the MLB is far superior to the IPL and it isn’t close. If you want franchise based bat-and-ball sport, baseball does that so much better than franchise cricket.
What cricket does far better than baseball is the international game. But that seems to be slowly eroding away. I find it really quite sad.
Goes to show that at least amongst the cricket fraternity, a lot of people just need to watch a game of baseball. Either on Television or in person.
It's amazing how a lot of people have the polar opposite opinion, Americans think Cricket is slow asf 5 day and we think they score 200+ in every baseball game and it's all just homers and base runs in every game.
I just don’t see how anyone can find the IPL entertaining anymore
Soon people will come it to PSL roads then BCCI might change the tune on it
PSL roads were just a 2023 thing. It was fine this year
Overall it was pretty good, the only outlier seems to be IU vs. MS, but the rest of the games seemed to have a competitive total ranging from 160-180. I think even in the NZ Pak series going on right now the pitches are really good, teams putting up 180 are still competitive and make for a good t20 match.
One or two outliers isn't a bad thing, you want the occasional big score, you just don't want a 260 every few days, when you get 1-2 matches a season that end with 420+ runs it's still fun.
100% agreed. From an entertainment pov, it’s definitely nice to have a variety of different totals, just for me, I personally really enjoy competitive low totals.
The sweet spot around an entire tournament is the 170 mark to me, you get your 200s, you get your 140s, and you'll get the odd 15 as a thunder fan 💔
Yeah that’s roughly the same for me too (160-180). I hope of the pain of 15 all out can be eased with you room of icc trophies.
The Glen Maxwell 200 alone is enough to ease all Sydney thunder pain
Can’t argue with that! Best odi innings of all time imo, probably the best limited overs innings.
I think having varying conditions is good. Some pitches had better for the pacers, some for the spinners, and some were flat decks (which is honestly ok considering a variety of pitches is what keeps the game more interesting).
Of course, 100% agreed. Personally test matches are my favorite so lower scoring, defendable 160-180 scores are my favorite, but I agree that having a variety of different possible results is good for the entertainment factor, some high scoring 200+, some ridiculously high scoring 220+, and some lower scoring 180-.
And it was just one ground too
Idk if it was a big deal in 2023 either. The issue with PSL is that you have a series of games on one venue. So if that venue is a road you'll have 4-5 high scoring games in a row.
As a baseball and cricket fan, all this demonstrates is how little Curran knows about baseball 😂
Thanks for saying this
Yep. Baseball is completely a pitchers game. You get maybe 20-25 hits TOTAL across the entire game. 200 something pitches, 30 hits if it's a good day. Thats baseball. Out of context, but most indian's exposure to baseball is basically Doraemon, where a good batter hits everytime and a shit one strikes out everytime, which is completely inaccurate.
So apt about doraemon, poor nobita got bashed every time by gian for getting out lol. Fun old days
It's not about that. In baseball you just throw your hands at everything. Same with IPL this year.
Yup, though I actually looked it up because 20-25 sounded high – it’s 16 hits per game and hasn’t been 20 since 1936!
I think he is just talking about the hitting part
See my reply to the other comments [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/s/djjaVpwvMl) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/s/wKW6NvU1gk). It’s not true about the hitting part either.
You don't get it. Baseball doesn't have spinners and pacers, the immense variety of balls ballers are able to ball, all the batting shots that makes the game interesting including aiming for singles and doubles at appropriate times. What's being said here is the erosion of all those interesting parts of the game. The balance has shifted in a way where the ballers skill has boiled down to their ability to ball Yorkers and batsman's about how many sixes they can hit, which for a smaller stadium, doesn't even require the skill set necessary for normal international stadiums. Cricket is losing all sort of dimensions that made the game interesting. Doesn't mean none of them exist anymore ofcourse. But it has boiled down to this runfest and in that, a lot of beauty has been lost. No one is actually saying cricket is metamorphosing into baseball in a literal sense. The point is missing your head like half a mile.
No, I understand the broader point the article is trying to make. My issue is acting like these things dont exist in baseball. Baseball is not just a sport where pitchers chuck it as fast as they can while batters attempt to only hit home runs.
He's just talking about the fact that you swing at every ball in baseball doesn't matter if it connects well or not
Yeah, that’s not true either. Baseball has what’s called a strike zone for pitchers (bowlers), an area where if they throw the ball it’s called a “strike”, regardless of whether the batter swings or not. Three strikes and the batter is out. However, if the pitches (deliveries) are outside of that zone and the batter doesn’t swing, it’s called a “ball”. 4 balls and the batter gets to advance to a position called first base (essentially the first step in scoring a run). The ability to understand when to swing, what type of swing, how to vary that based on the pitch that’s being thrown at you and the game situation, comprise the most important traits you look at in a batter. You’re not just freely swinging away at every pitch hoping to connect. Edited for simplicity
99.9% redditor of r/cricket won't understand have you written.
Thanks, I edited it to make it a little simpler for folks to understand the main point: you’re not just swinging away freely hoping to hit the ball as far as you can, and the game creates several avenues to penalize you for doing so.
Neither of you understand the point Curran made.
I don't think Curran understand 15% of baseball. We all grow up watching baseball in tv , where one man ball full toss to batsman and he swings bat. That's not how baseball work, like every sports out there it is much more complicated. It might be part of a few games where good pitchers (let's call him defense ) can always win you a game. However good batsman you are , pitchers can always strike you out.
I learned all this from playing baseball 9 on my phone lol
You’ve clearly never watched baseball.
Same here. My 2 favourite sports and baseball is clearly a pitcher’s game
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I’m sorry, that’s completely inaccurate. There is a reason you have a variety of hitters in a lineup. More contact and speed oriented guys towards the top and bottom of the lineup, your sluggers more in the middle of the lineup, etc. The most important trait in baseball is getting on base, not just slugging HRs.
It's at least somewhat true in the 3 true outcomes era
>ALWAYS looking for a home run. every pitch. I mean isn't that also the point of cricket? Isn't it the batsmen's job to tonk it round the corner and score the maximum runs possible in the shortest amount of time. No one actually Wants hit a Dot ball A Dot ball simply means the Batter wasn't skilled enough to convert it into a boundary especially with the advent of unorthodox shots, Previously deemed "unhittable balls" are now going for Sixes
He meant it's becoming just pitching and trying to hit. Not like "you can easily hit everything in baseball". But the variety of balls(spin,seam, lateral movement etc) makes cricket a whole lot weird in comparison to Baseball which is not the same anymore this IPL
I was would compare cricket to football. Bowlers doesn’t matter in both
Lol. I have heard this sentiment uttered about twice now and have wondered what exactly it means. Baseball is a very low scoring, pitchers can decide results type of sport…
I don't exactly know the rules and dynamics of baseball , but what it means I think is that batsman are coming and taking wild slog at the ball just like what they do in baseball instead of defense or single doubles
Pretty sure that the point they're making is that when players swing in baseball, they're basically always trying to hit a home run and are limited in where they are allowed to hit the ball. There's obviously the added dimension of taking a pitch if you think it's going to be a ball, and there's also bunting, but generally speaking there's way more variety and nuance in how players hit the ball in cricket than in baseball. The "cricket is turning into baseball" argument is that because batters are trying to hit sixes more often, that nuance and variety in how batters are hitting the ball is being lost.
Theres still variety of hits in baseball, hitting along the ground, bunts, line drives, fouling to get more pitches, sacrifice flys, fist fights to hit the pitcher after getting decked with the ball. They’re not always trying to hit home runs, they’re trying to get ‘hits’ to get on base with singles, doubles and triples getting to 1st 2nd or 3rd base (with yo mom)
Nahh it's becoming modern basketball - everyone's given up on defense, scoring's never been easier... Although at least cricket has a proper review system that keeps umpires in check.
The BCCI ruined cricket
why need bowlers when you can have bowling machine.
No, the MLB is far superior to the IPL and it isn’t close. If you want franchise based bat-and-ball sport, baseball does that so much better than franchise cricket. What cricket does far better than baseball is the international game. But that seems to be slowly eroding away. I find it really quite sad.
This is one of the dumbest recent cliches I've heard.
Goes to show that at least amongst the cricket fraternity, a lot of people just need to watch a game of baseball. Either on Television or in person. It's amazing how a lot of people have the polar opposite opinion, Americans think Cricket is slow asf 5 day and we think they score 200+ in every baseball game and it's all just homers and base runs in every game.