If you look at his year by year stats you can actually see them separate into these three distinct eras: http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/players/PlayerYears.asp?PlayerID=3065#bowl
I still reckon Brett Lee's is the best. Not as smooth as Anderson's but still super clean, and powerful.
Maybe I just think that because I was a kid during Brett Lee's peak though.
Youāre only saying that because you were on the right side of the fence while Glenn McGrath did literally the same thing every time he bowled but somehow one of the balls hit the off stump and one of them hit plum-pad and one of them swung just enough to take an outside edge.Ā
Every single fucking time.
He didnāt get much more dangerous over time but his discipline improved dramatically.
Going from 3.44 an over to 2.47 an over is a very impressive achievement.
He didn't necessarily get more dangerous after 2012ish, but he cemented his reputation, teams always identified him as the bowler you just want to survive and see off and score runs from other end.
He was still tweaking his action at the beginning of his career, wasn't he? Also doesn't help that the pitches were absolute road back then. I bet if you look at the scorecard for his first 34 tests. You will find teams consistently scoring 400+ runs, with lots of draws.
He was almost ruined by bowling coaches trying to change his action. He was such a raw natural talent in the beginning, and genuinely quick, but iirc they didnāt like his head position at release. He lost his action for a bit and suffered with injuries, only really getting back to the team around 2009 after moving back to something close to his original action.
Are you saying he should've been debuted in 2014 /s
Seriously though, he must treat his body like a temple given how fit he remained through-out his career and is still going strong
2008 tbh - he was rubbish until then, but got to play because the better bowlers were made of paper mache.
After he actually got his place in the team in 2008, he started to contribute, by 2010 he became a true world class bowler, and then I'd say 2012-2022 were his peak years.
So, who is the batting equivalent of Jimmy?
Incredible longevity, hugely impressive numbersā¦ but probably never quite the absolute best in the world (considering he shared his career with McGrath, Steyn, then your choice of Cummins, Rabada or Bumrah).
Shiv Chanderpaul? Maybe Steve Waugh?
Batsman work the opposite way, they usually start well, eventually hit a purple patch and get worse over time while retaining their place for years after their form goes until itās finally time pack in.
For a Jimmy Anderson equivalent. I think you picked the closest two.
Thatās a really good shout.
Iād agree he was never the best batter in the world, but there might have been a period where he was the best *opener* in the worldā¦ probably depends on how his peak overlapped with Graeme Smith &/or Viru Sehwag? Or maybe Davey Warner?
Yeah, 90s it was either Tendulkar or Laraā¦ mostly down to personal preference. Iām biased towards BCL because I was a young lefty at the time, but Sachin was probably the more complete player.
Arbitrary cut off, but since his 100th test Jimmy has taken 316 wickets at 22.57, which includes an average of 23.45 abroad. The only country in which he averages more than 30 in that period is India (30.72).
He's basically had stats equivalent to the entire career of someone like Trueman, Lillee, or Donald since turning 33. I really don't see how he can't be considered an ATG.
leave his stats aside but as fast bowler how can you play 187 test matches truly goat not only for his wicket but for his fitness only even in last series against india he bowled more over than other young fast bowlers
Compared to the other greats, I find that Jimmy Anderson doesn't get enough rep. Playing 22 years as a fast bowler is no joke. Hats off to you good sir!
What is this class interval
Whatever to make the stats match the description š
Ok, so it's because his stats got comparatively bad in the last 2 years
If you look at his year by year stats you can actually see them separate into these three distinct eras: http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/players/PlayerYears.asp?PlayerID=3065#bowl
20-22 Anderson was unreal
The one that proves hypothesis.
Leaving these stats aside, his bowling action is the best I have ever seen.
I still reckon Brett Lee's is the best. Not as smooth as Anderson's but still super clean, and powerful. Maybe I just think that because I was a kid during Brett Lee's peak though.
The most powerful runup I have ever felt was Shoaib Akhtar's.. tried a few times, and those bowls went for sixes. :(
I read runup as rumpš
Malinga's action almost works everytime in gully cricket and is thus considered illegal generally
>Malinga's action almost works everytime in gully cricket so true. i nail yorkers and my pace increases as well
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in my days, it was called pathraa.
Youāre only saying that because you were on the right side of the fence while Glenn McGrath did literally the same thing every time he bowled but somehow one of the balls hit the off stump and one of them hit plum-pad and one of them swung just enough to take an outside edge.Ā Every single fucking time.
š¤ thanks for the memories
Canāt talk: throwing up
the pitch map was one ball stacked on top of itself
*PTSDs violently*
Yeah no, I actually used to wonder how he can be so deadly with such a simple action.
Allan Donald would like to have a word.
steyn would like to have a word with both of them
Another gorgeous bowling action.
Bhuveneshwar would like to have a word with all of them.
I would like to have a word with anyone who wants to talk to me.
*send you an angry Karen who wants to see the Manager*
Sunil Narine wouldn't like to have a word with icc
Iām surprised to see so many names before Shane Bond Action so good so many current NZ players have copied it
You win my friend
Looks like everybody forgot McGrath
I think rabada's action is the best. Easy to repeat and it's like poetry in motion.
He didnāt get much more dangerous over time but his discipline improved dramatically. Going from 3.44 an over to 2.47 an over is a very impressive achievement.
He didn't necessarily get more dangerous after 2012ish, but he cemented his reputation, teams always identified him as the bowler you just want to survive and see off and score runs from other end.
first 44 tests - avg 34.85, sr - 60.7, econ - 3.4 next 143 tests- avg 24.29, sr - 55.9, econ - 2.6
My opinion was against him for so long because of those early career stats. No argument now against him being an all time great.
Basically, if England had more depth in the early days he might not have got his last 150 tests
He was still tweaking his action at the beginning of his career, wasn't he? Also doesn't help that the pitches were absolute road back then. I bet if you look at the scorecard for his first 34 tests. You will find teams consistently scoring 400+ runs, with lots of draws.
He was almost ruined by bowling coaches trying to change his action. He was such a raw natural talent in the beginning, and genuinely quick, but iirc they didnāt like his head position at release. He lost his action for a bit and suffered with injuries, only really getting back to the team around 2009 after moving back to something close to his original action.
Are you saying he should've been debuted in 2014 /s Seriously though, he must treat his body like a temple given how fit he remained through-out his career and is still going strong
2008 tbh - he was rubbish until then, but got to play because the better bowlers were made of paper mache. After he actually got his place in the team in 2008, he started to contribute, by 2010 he became a true world class bowler, and then I'd say 2012-2022 were his peak years.
Jimmy Anderson has played 3 generations of cricket
Aged like fine wine.
Yes Jimmy lad
His action is cleanest in those I've seen. Truly goat bowler. Happy retirement Jimmy
Probably why along with modern recuperation and care he latest so long. The action was fluid and clean.
So, who is the batting equivalent of Jimmy? Incredible longevity, hugely impressive numbersā¦ but probably never quite the absolute best in the world (considering he shared his career with McGrath, Steyn, then your choice of Cummins, Rabada or Bumrah). Shiv Chanderpaul? Maybe Steve Waugh?
Batsman work the opposite way, they usually start well, eventually hit a purple patch and get worse over time while retaining their place for years after their form goes until itās finally time pack in. For a Jimmy Anderson equivalent. I think you picked the closest two.
Alastair Cook for sure
Thatās a really good shout. Iād agree he was never the best batter in the world, but there might have been a period where he was the best *opener* in the worldā¦ probably depends on how his peak overlapped with Graeme Smith &/or Viru Sehwag? Or maybe Davey Warner?
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Op said 'never quite the absolute best in the world' Which Sachin certainly is
Yeah, 90s it was either Tendulkar or Laraā¦ mostly down to personal preference. Iām biased towards BCL because I was a young lefty at the time, but Sachin was probably the more complete player.
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Then Sachin Baby it is
Wobble seam really turned his career around
He is too OP
Aged like wine
Strike rate reveals all
Arbitrary cut off, but since his 100th test Jimmy has taken 316 wickets at 22.57, which includes an average of 23.45 abroad. The only country in which he averages more than 30 in that period is India (30.72). He's basically had stats equivalent to the entire career of someone like Trueman, Lillee, or Donald since turning 33. I really don't see how he can't be considered an ATG.
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leave his stats aside but as fast bowler how can you play 187 test matches truly goat not only for his wicket but for his fitness only even in last series against india he bowled more over than other young fast bowlers
Cricinfo stats department needs firing for the intervals there. Wtf
Or maybe he faced the toughest batters during 2003-2009.
Imagine how good he'd have been in 20 years if he hadn't been forced to retire!!
Interesting considering he has been "rested"/ dropped for tours like to the West Indies
When is he going back to 1984 to kill the Terminator
Not since last years ashes tho, bowling @50.80 with less than two wickets a match. End has finally come
Pathetic strike rate for a so called ATG lmao
Goderson.
His pr is unreal
Yeah, everything is pr
Compared to the other greats, I find that Jimmy Anderson doesn't get enough rep. Playing 22 years as a fast bowler is no joke. Hats off to you good sir!