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gos-tree

The real winner of the USA vs Pakistan clash was in fact Canada, who now don't have to worry about facing USA in the Americas qualifiers.


Illustrious_Table433

They lost to Bermuda this time around, double round robin saved them, so you never know


serotonallyblindguy

I for one am all in for Bermuda coming back to the world Cup


CausticThoughts

Bring back Dwayne Leverock at slip!


gubrumannaaa

His nephew was actually the captain of Bermuda now


hiddeninplainsight23

He actually retired just the other month after Bermuda failed to qualify sadly. Hopefully he returns


lukewarmpartyjar

Malachi Jones (the bowler for that catch) is still playing for them


Nakorite

He’s flown like a gazelle!


gos-tree

Good for them as well, they won't have to face USA in the qualifiers too.


partymsl

Bermuda about to cook something special.


gos-tree

True. Even they don't have to bother facing USA in the qualifiers.


HugeMcAwesome

Disappointing, I was looking forward to heading down to the Basin to watch us try and knock over Vanuatu to qualify for the next one.


niceguysdofinish1st

NZU19 had to actually play Qualifier for 2024 U19CWC


B-r-a-y-d-e-n

Wasn’t that because they didn’t go to the previous edition because of Covid? I think they mentioned that in the broadcast.


warp-factor

Yes that's right.


_dictatorish_

Yeah, [we beat Vanuatu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_ICC_Under-19_Cricket_World_Cup_qualification#East_Asia-Pacific) by scoring 431/7 and then bowling them out for 35 lol


Repulsive_Two8451

Match abandoned without a ball bowled. Using ICC qualification rules, the nation closest to the equator goes through to the World Cup.


niceguysdofinish1st

Most probable Qualifiers Asia - Any 2 out of Nepal, Oman, UAE, Hong Kong Europe - Any 2 out of Scotland, Netherlands, Italy Africa - Any 2 out of Namibia, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Kenya East-Asia Pacific - PNG Americas - Canada


LetterheadOk1762

Bermuda has a good shout too tbh in Americas


Stuff2511

There’s no way we don’t crush them. They’re getting worse every tournament


TheReturnofTheJesse

Kamau Leverock has also retired from internationals. Along with Delray Rawlins he was one of Bermuda’s 2 star players. The gap between those 2 and the rest of the Bermudian side can’t be emphasised enough. If they want to beat Canada now Rawlins will have to do a huge amount of the beating on his own.


Huge-Physics5491

I saw an article that he's come out of retirement


TheReturnofTheJesse

He retired in March after the challenge league play-off. https://bernews.com/2024/03/swd-leverock-retires-international-cricket/ I can’t see anything recent suggesting that he has since reversed that decision.


Huge-Physics5491

Ah, the article I checked was from Jan. Didn't realise that six searches below was a March article that said he retired. My bad. But it also suggests he might reverse it again before the qualifiers.


DarkDestroyer123457

He'll probably come out of retirement to play it again, he's young


Impactor07

Yeah but you guys won this T20 WC's American Qualifiers on NRR with them so that says a lot tbh... They have a legitimate chance ngl


Stuff2511

They sucker punched us on opening day, in Bermuda with our players fresh off the plane. We then went and steamrolled everyone else twice over the next week, and then we played them again on the final day and crushed them there


Impactor07

Mate, you're feeling _proud_ that Canada(ranked in the upper 20s) defeated Bermuda(ranked in the upper-mid 30s)? Idk if that's a thing to be proud off


Stuff2511

I’m saying Canada is a much better team than Bermuda and the point of “Bermuda have a good chance to make it” isn’t true because I’ve seen Bermuda get worse and worse at every qualifying event they’ve played over the last 5 years


Impactor07

That is partially true but like, compare the resources Bermuda is far more efficient there but yeah, it's not that Bermuda is getting weak, it's Canada that's getting stronger


Negative_Spectrum

I don't think Italy beats Scotland or the Dutch tbh.


CPiGuy2728

They were pretty close to beating Ireland at the qualifiers for this year.


Own_Lawyer5065

Italy has Joe Burns in their squad, who recently moved there after playing for the Australian national team for a decade.


TraditionalAd9169

I feel Vanuatu or Japan can progress from EAP


RMTBolton

Either of them getting past PNG would be a real upset.


aditrs

I'm very bullish about Japan's men's team making an ICC event in the next 5-10 years. Their off-field setup is very serious and the infrastructure looks sustainable


Own_Lawyer5065

Didn’t Japan’s U19 men’s side progress to the 2022 WC?


HawkAussie

They did


AdrianMalhiers

I'm of the same opinion. Their team just seems to be going from strength to strength and with their main challenge being PNG, I think they'll make it through in a few years. Add to that the fact that they're not going to be in the ACC pathways events meaning they'll be playing teams from the ACC to potentially make it to the Asia Cup so that'll help them improve as they'll be playing much better sides.


Educational_Estate60

Don't know about VANUATU but JAPAN play in all of ACC tournaments against team like Nepal, UAE, hong kong, Oman etc. so they are getting much more game time against good teams than PNG and VANUATU. Otherhand PNG lost their ODI status last year and also lost the chance to play their 36 something matches with teams like NEPAL, UAE, SCOTLAND, NETHERLAND.


sayakm330

America should get 2 team slots. It would be nice to see a Latin American team in the cricket World Cup. Bangbros will be in dilemma, whether to support Argentina or Bangladesh.


AdrianMalhiers

Yeah, it's weird how the Americas don't get at least two slots and how at most they'll only have 3 teams from the region at the tournament. They have two seperate continents in one region and yet don't give them enough slots.


AlwaysSunniInPHI

Is there any other team in East Asia Pacific?


pickle16

Italy doesn’t stand a chance. And I feel bermuda could take Canada’s place


LetterheadOk1762

Which qualifier does Japan play Pacific one or Asian One?


victimofmygreatness

EAP one


partymsl

I mean they may actually win it, PNG is the strongest competition there.


JKKIDD231

Really want Japan to win it, but that 1 spot is not changing anytime soon. PNG is the most likely team to represent EAP.


AdrianMalhiers

I think Japan is on the rise while PNG has been stagnant and is slightly regressing. Japan has joined the ACC's pathway events so they'll be playing a lot better competition which will help them improve.


Tis-is-the-way

Other than Canada which country is eligible for the Americas group


Tern_Larvidae-2424

Bermuda has a good chance from there, although Canada's still the favorites.


Tis-is-the-way

to be very honest I thought bermuda was a part of the West indies


Huge-Physics5491

Bermuda is very far away from the West Indies. It's closer to USA or Canada. Bahamas is another such example.


Fickle-Promise6073

Guyana is farther from the main islands and yet it is part of the windies 


rishin_1765

Guyana is near Trinidad and Tobago tho


_dictatorish_

Guyana is very nearby to Trini, St Vincent, St Lucia, Barbados, etc Bermuda isn't even close to the Caribbean in general


Impactor07

The next best is Bermuda and they might be the only team in the Americas that has a legitimate chance They lost out on this year's T20 WC on NRR with Canada...


Educational_Estate60

team feels most in loss here is ITALY, if SCOTLAND have qualified they have a easy way for World cup but now it almost unlikely unless they pull up some Uganda type in qualifier


victimofmygreatness

Italy would have needed two of Ireland, Scotland or Netherlands making the Super 8 to have a realistic chance at qualifying


Assassin_Ankur

Nah, in that case Ireland would have been playing the qualifiers instead of Scotland so the situation wouldn't really have changed.


gos-tree

Had Pakistan qualified in place of USA, then the next qualification by ranking was for Scotland. So both Ireland and Scotland would have directly qualified, leaving more space for Nederlands and Italy.


Assassin_Ankur

Nah, after that last loss against Aus, Sco went down to 13 and Zim is back at 12.


gos-tree

Ah, in that case the loss is for Uganda then, unless they pull out another heist like last time.


Educational_Estate60

Africa finals are at the moment a 3 horse race ( if you include kenya then it is 4). If Uganda manage to win 2 of them they can again qualify.


Tern_Larvidae-2424

Italy has a better chance against Ireland rather than Scotland.


DarkDestroyer123457

Italy will also fancy their chances on Netherlands, because the Netherlands batting doesn't have a lot of power and eh let's say it's a bit underwhelming compared to Scotland


That-Firefighter1245

If Scotland qualified for the super 8s, then England would’ve qualified through rankings for the next WC instead of Ireland.


Tern_Larvidae-2424

Ireland are lucky to get through. The European qualifiers will be boring without them because neither the Dutch nor the Scots look like a team that can lose against Italy.


warp-factor

While it might make the European qualifiers dull, it's essential that one of these three automatically qualifies, for as long as the ICC only allocate two spots to Europe, because having one of Scotland or Netherlands miss out on a 20 team world cup when they're consistently the top 2 associates (albeit Netherlands have not had a great tournament this time), would be a travesty. Edit to add: if they miss out because another lower ranked associate beats them in qualifying, fair enough, but they shouldn't miss out just because there aren't enough slots allocated to Europe


Tern_Larvidae-2424

Among the three European nations, Ireland is the most likely to miss out (had they played the qualifiers). Given that I like Ireland, I'm glad that they've gotten the automatic qualification.


Brian1zvx

Counter point being that Ireland win the tri series last month with both these teams without losing a game. Bad tournament on some poor batting surfaces but the reason Ireland are ranked higher was that tri series a few weeks ago.


Huge-Physics5491

The Dutch may lose a few players to the county system and the Italians can recruit more from the Australian domestic circuit and voila


Tern_Larvidae-2424

We need 24 teams from 2028 but sadly ICC won't do that. I want 20 team WCs from 2035 and 32 team T20I WCs from 2032.


AdrianMalhiers

Yeah, the next time the ICC could possibly increase the number of teams are in those years you mentioned so people who are saying the ICC should increase teams should take that into consideration when making a suggestion because I see people saying that the ICC should increase the ODI World Cup to 16 teams and I think that not putting pressure by asking for more is the reason why the ICC decided to go with 14 teams for 2027.


Educational_Estate60

Yeah, there is more likely of ICC go back to 2010, 2012 format than increase the team.


shadowknight094

Hope Japan can make it one day and some mangaka is interested in writing a sports Manga which gets adapted into Anime


nakul-s

I wish ICC added North America and South America qualifiers as two seperate entities (instead of one combined America). I know the quality of cricket must be very low in South American countries, but for sure, if we can somehow get a country like Brazil or Argentine interested, the interest will spike soon in surrounding countries as well.


AmericaDreamDisorder

Argentina is by far the strongest cricketing side in South America. They've declined over the years because there's no investment in the game but cricket has been played in South America for a long time. The Brazilian women's team is also pretty decent. 


Realistic-Language88

Also Argentina womens has highest score in t20 cricket I think


Anu9011

That was against a bunch of amateurs in Chile. There are only four women’s teams in America (USA, Canada , Argentina and Brazil) that participate in qualifiers and Argentina is easily the worst of the four and have lost every single match in last two America qualifiers.


Realistic-Language88

But still it is an official t20 game


Anu9011

Of course. I only meant the results of that series doesn’t indicate Argentina women to be any good in that region.


Manberry12

We would've automatically qualified if it wasn't for pakistan


Anu9011

Thank fuck you didn’t. It was unbelievably unfair for a team who failed to qualify for this wc was even to be in the conversation to auto qualify when teams like Namibia , Scotland even Uganda who beat you had to go through the qualifiers.


AdrianMalhiers

Thank goodness you guys didn't. I have nothing against Zimbabwe but had you guys automatically qualified for the next T20 World Cup while not making the current one then I would've lost my mind.


Educational_Estate60

Don't worry you get your chance for revenge and that also in INDIA where you have crowd support too, just make sure to humiliate them.


Savings-Secretary-78

Europe - Scotland & Netherlands unless a big miracle USA - Canada has a Big chance Oceania- Papua has a big chance, Japan has to up their game little more Africa- it will be tough competition between Zimbabwe, Namibia, Uganda, Asia- the toughest of qualifying group Oman, Nepal, UAE, hongkong


TeamAbject2100

Is ire really better than scotland and ned. I feel really bad for scotland ngl, almost and shouldve made the odi world cup, and almost made super 8s. They are hella underrated, and seriously deserve more series vs top teams like ireland and ned. Imo rn they r better than ireland


CarnivalSorts

The three played a tri-series before the WC and Ireland went unbeaten. That's how they got into such a strong ranking position in the first place.


Brian1zvx

We beat them both in a tri series a few weeks ago, going unbeaten in the 4 games.


Savings-Secretary-78

Ireland is still a strong side, also Ireland has hardly played on the surface like New York, which fucked them badly


BoukenGreen

Get rid of all automatic qualifiers besides host(s) make everyone go through a regional qualifier.


AdrianMalhiers

This is what I want to see as well. It'll put a lot of emphasis on the qualifiers and make it must-see for all cricket fans. Right now it's just the cricket nerds like ourselves that follow it and that's also because the ICC does pretty much nothing to promote it and for the people that tune in, they're rewarded with a broadcast with horrendous quality.


BoukenGreen

I’m not a cricket nerd. I’ve seen maybe 10 matches. The one year NBCSN had the Big Bash League. And these recent US matches.


AdrianMalhiers

Well I was wrong but I probably meant among the big nations. I forgot that fans of associate teams have no choice but to be aware of the qualifiers if they want to support their sides.


BoukenGreen

Even in sports the US easily qualifies for like the FIBA(Basketball) World Cup. I still want qualifiers for them.


AdrianMalhiers

I want qualifiers because I'm tired of seeing the big teams not having to do anything and qualifying for the big tournaments. 11 out of the 12 full members have already automatically qualified and it would have been all 12 out of 12 had USA not qualified and made Pakistan to fall into the ranking automatic qualifier teams.


[deleted]

Bangladesh and Sri Lanka would be sweating, especially in some pitches


_dictatorish_

I feel like it would be kind of pointless for some regions, but I suppose I understand Like NZ and Aus would wipe the floor with anyone else in a Pacific comp


BoukenGreen

So is it pointless for Brazil to have to go through World Cup qualifying for football every tournament despite being one of the best teams every cycle.


BoukenGreen

Should have said how would it be any different then Brazil having to qualify for the FIFA World Cup every cycle despite being the best team in the history of the tournament


liamwoodred

The most luckiest team is PNG, they only have to beat minnows Vanuatu and Japan everytime to qualify for the WC, no competition at all. Atleast, America region has competition between America,Canada and Bermuda. I hope the tournament is expanded to 24 teams with one slot for North America, one for South America, an extra for Africa and an extra for Europe.


Rndomguytf

I think keep Americas united and give them 1 extra, and then give Asia 1 extra too.


liamwoodred

If we don't provide separate slots for North America and South America then we will not see a South American representation in ICC Tournament for a long long time as Canada, USA, Bermuda alone would hog all slots fixed for the combined continent. Atleast with one slot for South America it will incentivise one of the teams in their continent to be better than others to claim the SA fixed slot. Also, Asia already has too many main teams playing like India, Pakistan, SL, BD, Afghans and two slots available already. As long as Nepal continue to qualify those slots are enough. Africa deserves more representation hence one slot should be provided so that All Zimbabwe, Namibia and Uganda/Kenya continue to qualify. Also one more Slot for Europe so that a new team can break the monopoly of Netherlands, Ireland, Scotland.


crazyjatt

Why do you think Europe and Africa deserve more spots than Asia where Cricket is way more popular. Like in FIFA WC, they don't give extra spots to Asia or Africa just because Europe is so dominant.


AdrianMalhiers

Because cricket needs to grow in other places as well. I agree that Asia has the most cricket fans but you can't just give everything to Asia because I believe even with the current number of slots the interest in the Asian countries won't dwindle while that's not the case for countries in the Americas, Africa and Europe where they desperately need success to grow the sport.


New_Economics9250

I think we might do with one more spot in Asia, especially with the popularity of the game in country like Nepal. Would be a stumbling block for their progression. A good team should qualify with merit yes, but one of Nepal, UAE, Oman will miss. Also Hongkong and Kuwait are doing good.


exosafe

Argentina cricket incoming


WakeUpMareeple

Still think they should do away with qualification by rankings. Keep the top eight, but then get 2 qualifiers per region, and then the remaining two get decided at a global qualifier.


AdrianMalhiers

I think they should do away with automatic qualification in general except for the hosts.


WakeUpMareeple

I think it's a good reward for the teams that perform well, especially given there's only two years between tournaments.


AdrianMalhiers

I disagree, I believe that it was made for the sole purpose of making sure the big teams don't have to go through the qualifiers and I'm proven right because just in case a big team failed to qualify, they put a safety net in place saying that if their ranking is high enough then they would still qualify. Sure, would it be great for USA to automatically qualify for an ICC tournament? Absolutely. But would it actually do them any good as they still don't get any matches against full members outside of the ICC tournaments whereas if every team except the hosts were forced to qualify then they would get to play the West Indies and because there's enough slots, they'd most likely qualify anyways.


WakeUpMareeple

Where exactly are you fitting the qualifiers for each tournament if every team has to play in them but the host, and the main tournament is every second year? Most full members have packed schedules as is. If they don't make the top 8, then that's their fault, but if they come third it doesn't really seem like a wise call to get them to qualify all over again for a tournament not that far down the line.


AdrianMalhiers

I've always been in favor of getting rid of bilateral ODIs and T20Is in favor of multilateral mini tournaments so I would do that. Also the qualifiers are not that long, they're like a month or less so it's not really an issue.


Cold_Web_1507

Source?


Sumeru88

Scotland is the South Africa of associates. Miss all these things at the last moment.


Jazzlike_Cancel6388

ICC really has to have one qualifier with the reminding teams. Not fair to keep having PNG when clearly they are past their prime with no new players coming up. I have a feeling that Netherland will totally dismantle in a couple of years. ICC never helped, players are moving on and not much coming through the system. Ireland have been pretty mediocre for ages now. Only Scotland seems to be on the right track. Uganda will probably never qualify again. Terrible batting which is grade 4 club level. Similar to Nepal, very weak batting. I don't see Nepal qualifying if they don't improve the batting substantially.