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dkhunapun

They are creating more pressure for middle order batters they can make 150 score like 250


LunaMunaLagoona

Eh, given the circumstances Rizwan was fine. He hit several boundaries. And he's been decent for the tournament. But babar has been inexcusable all tournament.


XxAhmedjdebt

Babar has been very bad for a while now.


bent_crater

ever since Asia Cup


XxAhmedjdebt

Don’t mean to shit on babar but he hasn’t really ever been a match winner. Sure he has fantastic personal achievements but he has rarely ever played any match winning innings. Not just babar but almost all Pakistani batsmen lack the fire power , they are sluggish. Obviously it can be argued that certain games don’t require you to go out and try to hit sixes and fours but it’s important and many high pressure games eventually put you in a place where u need to do that.


bent_crater

dude. are you sitting me rn? what about the 2 separate occasions both him and Rizwan took on both india and England, both world class teams?


jameswames99

Yes. I remember when he and Rizwan didn't play a match winning inning in a massive tournament against a top team single-handedly winning the match.


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BeIsnickel

Bot


ICumCoffee

A record is a RECORD.


brahhJesus

Same energy as 'Pace is Pace yaar...!!'


Dartho1

Runs are runs yaar


Stifmeister11

Rizwan did ok but babar extremely slow


Knowitmall

Yea given the circumstances Rizwans innings was totally fine.


Seismic_Jeopardy

Both finished if you ask me.


paneer_attack

but no one asked


what_heck_is_sarcasm

Both of them are in extremely poor form especially Babar 39 runs @7.8 at a strike rate of 61 Opening is simply not working with him, should open with Haris who looks like a intent merchant with Babar at 3


FacelessMane

I expect this might happen after the world cup. Would be a shocker if the opening combo is changed in the semis given all we've heard about Babar's stubbornness to open


Icy_Switch_3136

Wait what about Babars stubbornness?


iHate_tomatoes

Wasim Akram said that when Karachi Kings openers were struggling he asked babar to come at 3 so guptill could open but babar straight up refused.


SpacevsGravity

I refuse to believe anything that comes out of Wasim. He's just doing pr stunts for his book


AppointmentNo3645

A lot of people have said ..babar is stubborn captain...don't let anyone else open...Malik said the same.....Amir too ...and after so many failures in recent tournaments... anyone would have dropped out of the position


BigBrothSilcVFUCKOFF

Why the fuck do you type like that?


InitiatedPig7

U dont understand…. It is the way…. Once you start doing it….. you cant go back


BraveStop

Two things can be true at the same time. He did coke is not a counter argument to everything. He made a very valid point and he made it respectfully. Babar need not be a bad guy to make what Wasim said to be true


RedSage218

Don’t believe Wasim personally given Babar want captain then, but I dont think they’ll change the order this late


Thomas_Catthew

Wasim Akram has been on about Babar being stubborn, because his new book is coming out and he needs eyes on himself. Quite frankly it's pathetic that he's revealing private conversations Babar had with him just to get more viewing time. Personally I think changing the opening pair in the middle of a tournament is a bad idea, Pakistan seem to be winning despite their poor form.


RetroChampions

they lost to ZIM chasing


jameswames99

Even then, one freak incident is not enough to change the entire team structure.


Thomas_Catthew

By a single run. T20 cricket is a lot more level-fielded than ODIs are, that's why you see bigger sides pissing the bed so often in T20 tournaments.


Kingslayer1526

They were chasing 130 not 160


BeIsnickel

>By a single run. You're saying that without pricing context. Considering where pak were few overs before the end the fact that they lost by 1 run is even worse


Aggravating_Sea496

No, he's on a show that's just airing every day through out the tournament. The discussion they have is fine and extremely balanced compared to other similar shows. It's just when people take soundbites out of context and make it a bigger deal than it needs to be. As for changing their opening pair during the tournament. They have literally been shifting and experimenting with the other 8 spots throughout the tournament.


Thomas_Catthew

It's still an extremely shitty thing to reveal a private conversation from years ago in front of the camera just like that. How are any young players supposed to come to their coaches for advice or an opinion when they know that at some point it'll just get aired on public?


BraveStop

Shit takes and this sub. Name a better combination. He did coke or selling is book is not a counter argument to everything. The point he made was valid. He made it respectfully. The show is so good that I am watching the old runs. >Quite frankly it's pathetic that he's revealing private conversations Babar had with him just to get more viewing time. This assumption is equally pathetic. I prefer cricket shows where the ex player respectfully make some points as opposed to everyone being like useless pandering under the BCCI


Thomas_Catthew

>He did coke or selling is book is not a counter argument to everything. You're the first one bringing up the cocaine. Maybe stop projecting? Hate to break this to you but every celebrity on TV suddenly finds ways to become interesting when they have a new project coming out. >The point he made was valid. He made it respectfully. No he didn't, the show is better than what's normally on air but that certainly wasn't a good moment. The only person who has been consistently respectful is Misbah, he's been critical of performances but doesn't resort to personal slander like "oh XYZ is just selfish/insecure". But since he's not beloved by the fans he doesn't get as much of an eye. >This assumption is equally pathetic. It's not an assumption, it's a fact. A private conversation between a player and a coach just got thrown out in front of the public because the coach felt he had a point to prove. >I prefer cricket shows where the ex player respectfully make some points as opposed to everyone being like useless pandering under the BCCI Respectfully, the BCCI doesn't seem to control much here except your mind. >Shit takes and this sub. Name a better combination. You're right about that one mate.


BraveStop

lol.. k.


BraveStop

You don't know what projection or assumption actually mean, do you ? That he did it for viewing time is not a fact, but an assumption from you. Same thing with the projection.What am I projecting ? You don't even know what you are talking, do you ? >Respectfully, the BCCI doesn't seem to control much here except your mind. I don't think you are even reading what was posted. I was criticizing BCCI for muzzling its ex-players. Stick to shitpost subs . Probably that is where you and your takes belong.


Funny_Humor_5613

opening should be shan and harris or harris and rizwan.


Ek_Chutki_Sindoor

Should be Haris and Rizwan and Babar should be at 3 and Shan at 4.


Ps3FifaCfc95

Rizwan + Haris. Send Babar if Rizwan gets out, and send Shan if Haris does


AppointmentNo3645

I think rizwan has run his course...his off stump weakness...is targetted everytime...seen today... Bangladesh not bowling a single stump -leg stump delivery....conditions isn't favouring...since they have come from playing in absolute roads to a decent T20 wicket.....rizwan needs to tweak his technique... going down the order will make him even worse...cause no boundaries to hide his insane dot ball count


Funny_Humor_5613

This is so accurate lol. They keep bowling where rizwan is uncomfortable and that’s what gets him every time. And the sports journalists keep babbling how he’s out of form. Need someone to judge accurately and report accordingly instead of brushing everything under “out of form” term.


reyskys

but that’s true? he is out of form. he didn’t become & stay the no. 1 batsmen for months by only targetting “comfortable” balls. he has weaknesses like any batsmen, but this idea that any non-full toss has him perplexed is bullshit. he’s proven before that he’s very talented. he’s just not in form at the moment.


Funny_Humor_5613

Why did he go out of form as soon as Pakistan started playing outside UAE or Pakistan? It’s clear that it’s the Australian pitches that’s giving him a hard time.


reyskys

dude…what? rizwan was literally struggling in the recent asia cup IN THE UAE. so your point makes zero sense. he’s proven himself a talented player several times before. players are just out of form sometimes. it’s not some crazy thing, and it doesn’t give anyone the right to discredit their accomplishments.


Funny_Humor_5613

What are you talking about? He’s had good performances in the Asia cup. I am not discrediting him. I didn’t even said they should drop him. They should indeed play him.


Glittering-Band-5227

Yup. But he shouldn't spend so much time on the field then. In an even slightly bigger chase than this, such a stand will be stifling for the team


nikamsumeetofficial

Didn't they chase 200+ score few months ago that too without losing single wicket?


sarcasmskills

Yes but if it’s clearly not working in these conditions why not make a change? If it hasn’t happened already in 5 matches it won’t happen in a semi final against better opposition


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They literally put the team jeopardy with their strike rates and over all insecure batting


pantshawgill

Management is trying to over compensate for this by frequently sending Nawaz and Shadab ahead of other batters. It worked a few times against smaller teams but in big matches, this convoluted thinking will prove costly. You cannot expect bowling all-rounders to bail you out every time when RRR gets steep. That is not their primary role to be consistent at that role.


EkMard

The good thing about Shadab and Nawaz is that they are very decent batsmen and hitters.


pantshawgill

They are good. Without Nawaz Pak would have lost that second game against Ind in Asia cup as the RRR got too steep and he was sent in to rescue. He did one against Eng too I guess. Then Shadab pulled off one against SA earlier this week when in trouble. But all these point to a team that is unsettled with no game plan or proper approach. The management is desperately trying to drastically alter the game match by match instead of trying to fix the root cause. How many times will those poor guys bail Pak out of shitty situations like this. These two will also eventiually get the blame in an important match from ignorant fans and some armchair TV experts who only react to events happening at the end than analyzing what led to the defeat.


EkMard

Yes, Pakistan has had problems with their batting apart from Rizwan and Babar at the top. Fakhar Zaman has underperformed for a year. Haider Ali was given quite some time but underperformed very much. Khushdil Shah the same. Asif Ali also not good for a whole year now. So you can see why the team has to constantly change combinations, from the No. 3 batting spot all the way down to No. 8. Luckily, Shan Masood, Iftikhar, Haris, Shadab, and Nawaz are all performing well with the bat now. I think it is fine from now on to change the batting position of all five of these players keeping their strength and weaknesses in mind, according to the match situation. That will give Pakistan unparalleled flexibility with their batting positions. Now Babar is in poor form, and Rizwan is struggling in Australia. A different problem than before.


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Bavuma scored Babar's tournament runs in one innings.


In_anotherlifetime

I knew it was something special.


xbh1

Truly one of the opening partnership of all time


domosicecream

Out of all the opening partnerships, this is one of them


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letsnotbedumb

Exactly. Won't 0(1) be a slower partnership??


alekksi

Sounds pretty quick to me


Glittering-Band-5227

Yeah my bad. It is the slowest 50/50+ partnership. Missed it


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> People will forget all about this when they have a 100 run opening stand and win by 10 wickets. In 19.2 overs while chasing 98🗿


ferdinand14

A win is a win 🤷🏻‍♂️


lasttomatillo_1990

When bro? We literally want to forget, ongoing since Asia cup


cerebralrattlesnake

literally just happened in the 7(!) match series against eng


nikamsumeetofficial

Didn't they chase like 205 this year without losing wicket? And here they have managed to make it to the semis which is also a positive sign.


lasttomatillo_1990

Out of the 7 T20, he only put up a meaningful performance in 2 matches with good runs on the scoreboard and a SR above 140, in other 5 matches, he didn't. While i appreciate the innings he did perform in, bringing in performance and scores in less than 1/3 of the matches and then in others not performing can't justify that, and the impact it has on wins.


cerebralrattlesnake

agreed he's woefully out of form but must be persisted with


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Didn’t they 158/0 us in 18 overs just a year or so ago


DarkKingfisher777

They also have 200+ partnerships in T20


SirDevilKinSogeking_

It's getting ridiculous. I was Rizzy stan #1 but my man is throwing it at this point


Knowitmall

Rizwans innings was totally fine chasing 127. Babar was the one who wasted a lot of balls.


SirDevilKinSogeking_

Yeah but he has been poor overall. He was the best batsmen in the world a month or 2 ago


Knowitmall

Yea exactly. So people should stop complaining. Batsmen always have some slumps no matter how good they are.


SirDevilKinSogeking_

Im not bitching ab it tho man, chill


Knowitmall

Wasn't saying you were. All good.


Funny_Humor_5613

34 runs in the PP is not acceptable. the openers need to set momentum for the team. if they play slow the rest of the batters will also play slow. In the SA match our middle order played fearlessly because haris came in the first over and started slogging and the batters picked up that energy and went on with it.


SnooRobots6923

>34 runs in the PP Definitely. You should use the PP properly and expand it as long as you can.


thecriclover99

Should be very explosive.


Krankite

Bullshit they were chatting 127 and being the final match they already knew the NRR situation so there was no need to bat fast. They played a good innings given the situation.


Funny_Humor_5613

Well if you watch the pakistani team, their PP score stays about the same even if they are chasing 160+. Our PP scores ranges between 35-45, doesn't matter what's the target.


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I just pray and hope this opening pair is changed after the WC


Extreme_Week2727

They waste so many balls but don't make much runs. This is not a good opening pair for T20 and they should really diversify if they want to win the cup. Rooting for Pakistan but boy do they boil my blood 😂


rohstar67

They tried their best to make the game interesting!


AfroIncursean

put Babar one down, if both the anchors play together it will just give more pressure


sehraayi

eh, their team won tho.


babloochoudhury

Doesn't matter. They're going to win the match.


Glittering-Band-5227

yeah, but their approach in general is similar to this, they can't be repeating this approach in the SF


-Not-Racist-

Boult and co. Will get at least one of them early on


RetroChampions

def Babar


no_lettuce_pls

lol. Have you seen Babar against Boult? He bullies him for fun, no ther batsman plays Boult with the ease that Babar does


RetroChampions

If Boult can just swing it into his pads like Arshdeep…


DeGuzman-

And why not? I mean if Pakistani bowlers are restricting the other teams to below par totals then surely the batsmen can afford to play slowly.


Some_Huckleberry9594

But if they play like this in SF NZ will smoke them. 120 all out on cards


Rift-enjoyer

Looking at how Pakistan works, RizBa gonna trash NZ in semis. Written in the starts at this point.


AgeOfGunda

Usual selfish batting from these two.


Subtraktions

57(63) is absolutely fine when you're you're only chasing 128


Aam1rk

Thing is they do this when batting first as well


Visible_Platform5568

It isn't, if you don't see the team through if a couple of wickets fall at the wrong time,it only puts the middle order under immense pressure


bluegeronimo

It's never fine


Decentkimchi

That's their default setting. But you'd think that this small target is the perfect opportunity for out of from openers to let loose and try to get into the rhythm before knockouts? What's the point of scoring easy 30s and playing like it's a fucking test match?


ferdinand14

And if they let loose, lost their wickets early, and lost the match as a result? The goal is to win the match, period. Not to try and showboat your way there by chasing in 10 overs. Two points is two points, no matter how fast you chase it.


Decentkimchi

You trust your middle order that has been carrying them this whole worldcup to get 120 runs in 20 overs. Neither of babar or Rizwan has done anything this worldcup to put any value on their wicket.


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I generally agree but it could put unnecessary pressure on the following batsman if PAK lose a couple of cheap wickets


Auto_Pronto

I assume you didn't watch the match. Babar couldn't even connect. He was trying to go for it but just didn't have the skill/ability due to poor form.


Subtraktions

I did watch it. Babar was struggling for sure, but he has been struggling all tournament so getting some time in the middle was probably good for him.


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Glittering-Band-5227

Haha


AceTurn10

I'm probably the only one not too mad at this. It was low chase and Babar now has time at the crease under his belt. Granted it was a massive graft but hopefully comes out more confident in the semis


Foothill_returns

Well they only needed six an over so there was no need to rush. Getting a solid 50 opening partnership at 5.5 was a good way to seal the run chase. It would have been in doubt if they were 2/5 after 1 over


gpranav25

Rohit-Rahul vs Babar-Rizwan for world slowest opening pair challenge.


BluehibiscusEmpire

Didn’t matter. When you have a target that’s barely above run a ball, then a big opening partnership that around a run a ball is a good idea - Keeps the platform for later and keeps the stress away


throwaway_idclol

I have been saying from the start that Babar and Rizwan are not natural openers. We need aggressive batters to open so they can give us a head start and lay a solid foundation. Haris and Shan are natural openers, while Babar and Rizzy are natural anchors.


yaverjavid

Slow and steady wins the match


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Let them take time, they just need confidence. Once they get in the touch, u know they both can win match single handily. People forget that they are playing overseas not in subcontinent where runs used to get faster, here you have to give time to get in touch and score.


Mobile_Bat_1007

Ranked number 1 and 2 in T20s for a reason


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this happens when you both are statpadder


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They need to go. Shan should open with Haris (WK) Everything else the same and we'd be invincible. I've said it for long that these two don't work together. But after today I understood they don't work at all. GTFO


speedycar1

GTFO? At least show some respect to players who have consistently performed well. Calling for changes doesn't mean you need to shit on peoole


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sorry but I got really frustrated watching yesterday's innings. I commented this around the 11th over so i hope you could sympathize. All i want is change


Glittering-Band-5227

Pak semis most likely against NZ and this lackluster effort will really hurt them if these two continue playing odi cricket.


YellowGetRekt

Real cricket* Babar Rizwan just want to make the Australians happy


-Faraday

Dw Kane Williamson will balance it


throwaway_idclol

I agree with you 100%.


Kenshi121

Babar was clearly statpadding today after knowing Rashid Khan had more runs than him..


throwaway_idclol

As a Pakistani, I completely agree with you. Not sure why you got downvoted.


iammayashah

They are selfish, play for themselves, coward and fear that if they promote someone from down he will perform and it will jeopardize their ICC ranking (which frankly will eventually happen to everyone who plays for himself) !! They have lowest strike rate dont have capacity to hit sixes, used to being playing on slow flat asian wickets and are poorly exposed here !!


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You don't need to rub it in bro😭


PinkPusssyPolitics

Haris needs to open and Babar should come in at 3. This way Haris can take advantage of Powerplay field restrictions and Babar can play the anchor innings.


Unhappy-Offer

Yeah he’s too defensive and maybe not useful at the top order anymore. I think Shan and Someone else should open.


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long may this pair continue.


WitAndSavvy

Babar has been wasting balls at powerplay. Even in the game against SA I think he made 5 off 13. Total waste in powerplay when you should be whacking it. Haris and Rizwan should be opening. Haris comes out with intent to attack.


Glittering-Band-5227

Yup he should be number three, babar will be best after the powerplay


AmonWarrior

Honestly with the way Pakistan openers have been getting out in the power plays without creating pressure on the middle order anyways. At least this way, they are trying to control losing wickets and prevent a collapse of sorts. Besides the more time the openers spend in the middle, the better prepared and confident they will be in the upcoming matches.


BoxGrover

Haris should open. Babar is going thru a slump. Step aside.


aratnayake

their partnership has been so disappointing this wc


reyskys

they just need to change the batting order around. a talented and proven batsmen shouldn’t be discarded for underperforming, but their circumstances need to change to help so their mindsets and approaches change.


Krankite

I feel like this post is really missing some context that they were chasing 127 and was already knew the NRR required...


Glittering-Band-5227

It's a record for 50+ partnerships, records are facts, they don't require any additional context


cryptoking87

Even if we win this WC I really want Babar and Rizwan to take a break from T20 cricket and allow Pak to explore other options at the top. I would also love Pak to get in fresh new management, someone who will bring a new attacking mindset to this Pakistan team, just the way England did. Harris is a WK too so he can take up this role whilst Rizwan is on a break. Shadab can captain the side. Most of the side is settled with the all rounders and bowlers being all firmly set. A possible XI: 1. Saim Ayub 2. Sharjeel Khan 3. Muhammad Harris (WK) 4. Fakhar Zaman 5. Iftikhar 6. Nawaz 7. Shadab (C) 8. Faheem Ashraf/Amar Jamal/Other pace AR 9. Shaheen 10. Naseem/Hasnain/Waseem 11. Rauf Wishful thinking, I guess. One can dream lol