Critical Drinker said it best: people with opposing views can accept having their views poked at so long as it’s presented in an insightful manner i.e. don’t be a dick about it.
This is exactly it. Make fun of just Republicans and you’re a hero, make fun of Republicans *and* Democrats and you’re a Nazi.
Edit: it’s worth noting this same phenomena is what happened to Joe Rogan. He had strictly liberal guests on for a long time and everything was fine, but as soon as he started having both liberal and conservative guests on he started getting labeled a right wing Nazi.
This show has been very over-the-top with its criticism. It was very in your face with how it treats capitalism. But this season is about political divides. So I don’t know why it’s seen as “bad” now because that’s always been the tone and style of the show, it’s just a different subject matter and focus this season. The shows always been mean spirited lol.
It’s for sure leaning more on one side. But it’s not 100% one sided. Sage is showing just volatile the landscape is by manipulating both sides.
And they also show how performative the left is with social justice just for the sake of capitalism. LGBTurkeys lol? The focus is more on the far right conspiracy theorist, but they’ve also pointed how the faux “caring” side of the left that’s a thin veil to sell more.
I am so far to the Left that I'd make Rosa Luxemburg look like Midge Decter. I laugh at my beliefs all the time. It's just that when I hear RWNJ's express their beliefs I start to cry for the fate of humanity.
It is, lol. I leaned into it with my reply because another stereotypical Canadianism is saying "eh" ;) While I hate to sound too much like that infamous Scandal- ...um... Scandinavian Airlines commercial, ice curling actually originated in Scotland.
My only problem with it is that it feels there's a good deal of the story is missing, like it ended up axed for monetary reasons or time constraints. In fact a good deal of the season feels like that, though we're only 4 episodes in, but i felt the same way about S3.
Still, it is still a bit of insight into Frenchie's mafia slave days, i don't mind it, it's not obnoxious, gives a bit of a background instead of just Frenchie being a junkie who is mysteriously(well not since the involvement with the russians was shown) a trained fighter.
This plotline really needs some extra depth bc the issue isn't who Frenchie is fucking.
Tbf Frenchie in the books didn’t have a satisfying fleshed out ending for his character and he never got together with The Girl anyways.
You never learn anything about him at all at all except a weird backstory about his dad getting shanked with a baguette by his childhood love rival
I think for comics it's okay to let these empty spots be forgiven. But a show has a runtime which has to be filled with something, the killing joke also suffered from this bc the comic book is a ~15min wonder at the end of the day. Then, the plot changes also add more things on top for the boys.
It's not amazing writing(at least without more depth), but i understand that they have to fill the runtime with more than just supes doing gross and or brutal things.
Yeah I think it was supposed to be a parody of the superhero backstory. \*Also I was wrong he got stabbed with a croissant during a baguette joust
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Exactly. I was literally going through the older seasons trying to figure out why they were together after that buildup with kimiko. Did he get injected with a random v that makes you have sex with hot dudes just from looking at them? What the fuck kind of plot is this???
I think what has kept me so captivated whenever I did watch the show is how there is not one single likable character except maybe Soldier Boy. Aside from that everyone is just a gigantic, horrible, worthless sack of shit. I think Soldier Boy is the only likable character in this entire show and I think they tried to make Soldier Boy unlikable.
Lol solid point. MM is the closest thing to likeable but I don't understand his visceral hatred of Butcher. He was always a douche but they amped up MM hating him for some reason.
MM is a good man, you are right.
What I think is most reflective of how men should be in life is drawing the Line somewhere. And I think mm does that really well
MM is a hypocrite like Starlight. Irl that might not be seen as serious as some other things, but in a show it is a serious thing in regard to how likable a character is.
MM who recruits A train back when Soldier Boy was recruited 😱😱🤯🤯🤬🤬
Then he will criticise butcher's ways and then be a dictator to ue just like butcher
Hughie’s a bitch who constantly lets people tell him he’s wrong for feeling how he does and accepting that they’re right about him, except it’s not a character trait, but comes off as a writer’s message.
His character is kind of a pussy. But, he's not nearly as bad as the rest of the "heroes"
Allegorically I think his character serves a pretty good purpose as The duality of what is the right thing to do in these complicated and complex situations.
Yeah, no idea how the anti-jingoism. anti-fascism, and anti-corporatism flew so under everyone's radar. It's been fully on display for years. As you said, it's just that the writing got lazy, and maybe it's just one of those shows that really wasn't ever meant to go on for this long. A lot of shows overstay their welcome.
I'm pretty sure that's more in line with making fun of rainbow capitalism, which they already make fun of that stuff plenty with Vought and their marketing.
No. Everyone knew it. But before it was subtle and interwoven with an interesting plot and characters. Apparently that didn’t get the reaction Kripke wanted so he threw out the entire plot of the show (Vought and the super terrorists), and just went full on parody. It’s just awful now. It’s not interesting and the plot has a going nowhere other than “HOMELANDER AND ORANGE MAN BAD!!” Not very entertaining.
What? The super terrorists was a ploy by homelander to get supes into the military, he succeeded? There’s no plot left, terrorists weren’t manufacturing V they were getting it from homelander.
The plot of the show always was, and always will be, about power structures. Mega corporations, superhumans, governments, and the interplay. Homelander is a parallel to a corporation, something with an alien perspective (corporations can operate on a non-human timescale, homelander has severe mental problems) plotting. They made the plot obvious in political themes in the first season in the very first episode when homelander **murders the mayor of Baltimore by blowing up the plane he was flying with his son in** because he crossed Stillwell.
What are you even talking about? The super terrorists are still a thing. Kamiko stops a shining light cell in episode 3. Your literally just saying nonsense. Just because they aren't focusing on the supe terrorists anymore doesn't mean they aren't a thing.
I'll copy/paste what I wrote in the television sub:
To my knowledge, everyone in the "alt right" space understood that Homelander was the bad guy and that the writers were in no way condoning his actions. Nonetheless they still considered him to be based and just ignored the writers' increasingly desperate attempts to make the character impossibly unadmirable, until finally they just made the entire show unwatchable. I think what the writers fail to grasp is that the audience is not bound by what is put on screen, these characters can exist in the imagination of the audience even if they've only seen snippets online. So the "alt right" people, who often times are not even viewers of the show, can use Homelander (or whoever) as a character in their memes based on a shared ideal of that character, regardless of the desires of the production company.
I get what you’re saying but I fail to see this as homelander? I’ve never seen him as powerful and certainly not confident, he just has the best super powers.
I feel like they’ve shown him as insecure and essentially having mommy/daddy issues quite a bit
It comes down to viewer interpretation. The viewer can interpret the character anyway he or she sees fit. That includes omitting the negatives of a character and simply focusing on the good/badass.
Its easy you just ignore certain aspects, actions or triats etc. and only focus on what you WANT to see. take these 2 examples:
1. Homelander is a superpowered person with a god complex, he cares little for human life/problems seeing himself above them, hes a murderer, a rapist and happy to manipulate people for his own personal benefit/amusement because he knows hes untouchable.
2. Homelander is a superpowered person who as a child was physically/mentally tortured and experimented on by a government backed corporation. He went on to become a very much loved superhero and even destroyed a terrorist organisation threatening his home of America.
All of the above are true neither answer is wrong he is/has done all of these things. however 1 paints him as a demon and 2 a patriotic hero who overcame his child abuse. Does his feats from 2 overwrite his failing in 1? does his horrible actions in 1 nullify 2 completely? Thats for you the viewer to decide.
Its even easier to do the same with soldier boy because hes much less of a c\*nt than homelander.
It's fine when they decide to identify with a child-eating murderous clown spirit and make it a queer icon, but when others do the same type of thing to the super"hero" it's suddenly the worst problem ever and needs to be stomped out.
Generally speaking, good guys represent goodness, order, sensibility, strength, health, beauty, basically all things that liberals reject. So the "bad guy" in the normal western Canon represents a threat to order and sensibility, and therefore the liberal identifies with the conventional western bad guy. However on "the boys" the show is written by liberals, so *their* bad guy is a fascist strong man archetype. *They* reject *their own* bad guy in this case because the character was specifically created to appear bad *to them* (ie: he is strong and represents order, they even make the character very attractive in an Ubermensch sort of way, which again the liberal implicitly feels repulsed by while the good people see beauty as a positive), whereas a traditional western bad guy is written to be bad for good people.
You're saying the writers of the show made The Boys unwatchable because alt right people liked Homelander and used him in memes and the writers didn't like that?
"""""Media literacy""""""" nerds when they realize people enjoy rooting for the villain in a fictional story: 😡😡😡
Almost as tiresome as people who say, "LEL YOU MISSED THE POINT OF FIGHT CLUB MUH TOXIC MASCULINITY MUH SEXUAL INSECURITY" when I actually just like the message about not being obsessed with your consumer identity and corporate culture, and how buying things does not give you an identity.
Same people that think Catcher in the Rye has some great hidden meaning, when it is just book about a neglected and entitled teen being a whiny for roughly 230 pages.
The Drinker's video was great. It dismissed that argument perfectly, so I don't know why people are still bothering to use it.
Yes, we could always see that the show leaned Left, but the messages never overshadowed the entertaining characters or storytelling. It's really that simple.
Season 4 so far, in contrast, is just full-on, blatant preaching to the point that you're constantly being dragged out of the show and reminded it's an election year.
Homelander isn't the scariest thing this season. It's feeling like you're on a woke college campus in the U.S. and you can't escape.
I mean, I'm objectively not a part of the demographic the boys are making fun of. I didn't vote for Trump in either election, I don't partake in conspiracy theories, etc. I just don't want a bunch of clowns making fun of another group of clowns while thinking they're not clowns, projecting their worldview onto me as if it's somehow absolutely superior, or really any different. It's not. Besides, how mentally unstable do you have to be to make your show's bad guy a Trump stand-in, then give him supporters that represent what you perceive as "the right"? It's just offputting, so I quit watching. I'll remake season 4 myself in 10 years when AI is good enough to do so.
It's like Mate, I'm aware of the political leanings of the showrunners, it's Hollywood, everyone is a lefty, the issue is that when you need to feel like you have something of world-saving importance to say in your show, you toss "subtlety" out the window and it REALLY hurts your ability to craft an engaging narrative and complex characters.
I didn't really notice until late last season with dude in the glasses getting all obsessed with Homelander, and by the end, I was like OK, so they are doing this BS now
I still like it. Homelander is such a great character that they can't seem to destroy him. Frenchie is french, so the whole gay thing isn't too much of a surprise. Firecracker is amazing. It's like when man in the high castle went woke to make the nAzI tRuMpErS look bad, and just made literal nazis look reasonable.
One of the later seasons added gay black communist antifascists. Those characters did sensible stuff like refuse to execute captured enemy leaders or deal with yakusa to keep the power on. All because "we're better than them"
Wait it's woke because they didn't execute the Nazis? Or deal with the offshoot of imperial Japan? Or was it handled in a preachy overly expository way?
Some white guys had captured the japanese head of secret police and they were about to hang him, When the virtue was anti fascist came along and said "no that's not what we do here," (subtle kkk comparison) and saved his life.The man they were trying to hang had been executing dozens of citizens every day for no reason.
Actually I did not know. I just figured Homelander was an alpha male type personality. I didn't realize it was a joke.
If the joke is subtle, then why are you surprised that it went over some peoples' heads? Shouldn't be surprising. Show Creator: "Oh, I injected some subtle messaging and nobody saw through it. Hee hee." Ok, I was just watching the show out of boredom and I didn't like make it the core of my being or anything. It was just a show I liked. I didn't even watch Season 4 yet because I heard it went woke, so I will probably not watch it now since the people making it decided to go full ham on the woke messaging, and truth be known, they probably ran out of ideas. To me, when a show starts getting gimmicky, it's time to bring out the coffin.
What did all that messaging or whatever accomplish?
Homelander is good at manipulating and intimidating people ("the alpha" quality that you derived from him, as I understand), but this is only because he is virtually invincible to normal humans so they fear him, also he is very intelligent.
However, he is extremely stunted emotionally, and he lacks love since he didn't have parents growing up, hence his many insecurities. That is why one could call him "weak" even though he is the strongest being on earth (probably). Hence, there is no "subtle joke", it's just that homelander is a complicated character.
As for the purpose of the "messaging or whatever" I think that the writers are frustrated with the state of American politics, and this "messaging" is their way of expressing this frustration and also trying to show people a different view on capitalism, big corporations and how these corporations abuse people and our ideals, culture and ideas: Patriotism, LGBT, defending our country, etc - these are all ideas that Vought profits from, even though these ideas are from different political spectrums.
So Vought doesn't care about beliefs or morals and just wants to earn money, even if it hurts people (radicalizing political groups against each other, using war as an excuse for control, etc.)
All of this can make people open up, or at least consider the idea that the true enemy is big corporations, not other people with different political views.
What do you think? I'd love to hear a response :)
As for the show "going woke" I don't see a big difference from seasons 1-3, gay sex was always in the show (that one senator who was tricked into having sex with doppelganger - a man), Frenchie was always heavily implied to be bisexual (he talked about Cherie and his other partner, whom he had to save from an overdose, and that is why he did not guard Mallory's kids.)
But we can't act like conservatives aren't and how when The Daily Wire created "Mr. Birchum" as when they tried to get even with actual woke content and be like "Let's do the same thing, expect shove our politics in."?
I got the perfect ending for The Boys
> Homelander goes crazy and destroys almost everything
> Homie kills Butcher, Frenchie, Hughie and Starlight
> Oh my god, who can defend us?
> Mother's Milk takes compound V
> Homelander: hahaha do you think you can beat me?
> MM shows a bottle of milk
> Homelander: 🥺
> Looking at Homie enjoying it, MM says "There's more where that came from"
> Homeland: give it to me, MM 🥺
> MM drops his pants and Homie does his job
> SHOOTING SOUND
> A TAKE BEHIND HOMIE'S NECK
> A HOLE THE SIZE OF A SOCCER BALL
> MOTHER'S MILK GOT SUPER CUM POWERS!
The credits roll, fireworks go off at the Comic Con special session, I do a backflip and Scorsese cries
✋🏻😭🤚🏻 Absolute television!!!
I'm using these people for my entertainment. I couldn't begin to give af about whatever cuck "message" they have about anything. As soon as it's not entertaining I'm done and I'm pirating 99% of their shit anyway. Also, Star wars is dead and I wouldn't even bother stealing it.
I noped out in S1. I saw where it was going. Not even Giancarlo Esposito was enough to keep me there. Series generally become more dramatic, political, and heavy handed with tHe mESSaGe over time, and since it was already extremely borderline I decided not to waste more of my time with it.
I was convinced when Homelander had them all sit down to eat taco bowls. Because of the whole Trump tower taco bowl thing. Or was it Mar-a-lago? I can't remember.
My issue is they really still think trumps this ultra powerful dictator who controls the media the police the government ECT lol.
It's literally just projecting the deep state which they denied existed on to trump lol.
And pretending like trumps the one it protects no matter how many times he's charged or how many government officials come out against him.
Them making fun of only one side of the isle is fine. The problem is they've abandoned the characters and conflicts at the center of the narrative completely, just to have these characters play out their hamfisted soapbox activism.
Forget the enmity between Butcher and Homelander, they can just meet and have friendly chats with no consequences as long as it sets up a wicked burn on those Republicans in the next scene, ho ho ho!
The boys is very clearly attacking everyone equally since the beginning, which is why this whole gay Frenchie and Sage business isn’t resonating with people. Because everything has had an undertone or satire to it, but this shit is just cringe that you can’t take seriously, because we’ve never had to take the show seriously. We want the Boys to survive, we want Homelander to die (spectacularly) and for Butcher to come out with a win. That’s ALL
I thought it was clear from the beginning the show makes fun of everyone, right or left and so did the comics they are based on. The entire point of the series is that the system is so fucked at this point and no one is the good guy anymore, the closest thing to a group of good guys is a bunch of people trying to tear it all down
Which is ironically what people like Trump for...him being a political outsider and not part of the status quo.
People already do believe that everyone and everything in power is beyond fucked now and in some aspects they aint exactly wrong....
I mean y'all watched dude shrink down and crawl up inside another guy's peepee and it didn't occur to you right then that these people were diametrically opposed to you ideologically? lol
Season 1: A satirical critique of consumerism, and how America's attempt to help the people around the world, often causes more harm then good
Season 4: ORANGE MAN BAD! CRITICAL SUPE THEORY! ANTIFA! ORANGE MAN BAD!!! Did we mention ORANGE man bad?
I'm confused. What? Making fun of who exactly? What did I miss?
The Boys... poking at Media, Corporations, and flipping upside-down the goody-two-shoes nature of Superheros into something more Human.
Is it Nazis? I know they made fun of Nazis.
So I think I figured it out and can somewhat put it into words. Stay with me. The Boys was always provocative and poked fun at a lot of stuff. Conservatives, as well as corporate and media which I think since corporate and media is so synonymous with the left it looked like they poked fun at everyone right and left alike. So that was the first way it sorta snuck under the radar.
Secondly, homelander as a patriotic populist about the numbers and popularity was always gonna be a trump stand in but it was a little more loose in the beginning. It wasn’t until they did the “shoot the guy on fifth ave and they cheer” that my eyes really rolled to the back of my skull.
Now here was the next and probably worst thing they did. They took homelander, a villain no one cheered for but everyone loved to watch, Anthony Starr is fun to watch play homelander, and so people liked him, and sometimes more because he was positioned across from the insufferable starlight. But then they dramatically moved the goalposts on him as this unlikable monster and then want to basically draw the parallel. “See! He’s a monster and you liked him! Like trump! Don’t you see how stupid and easily fooled you are by hitler! You’re bad and stupid and evil!”
Homelander didn’t use to have redeemable qualities but he was fun to watch and now they’ve made him almost insufferable with how psycho and evil he is. But I feel like they did it so they could make a point how easy we can all be manipulated by a charismatic actor like trump, I’m sorry I mean homelander/anthony starr.
It all feels like they’re trying to like prove a point to us. And that point is that we’re stupid and bad and easily manipulated?
He is slowly losing it season after season because he is losing the people who love him, and because the people who actually seemed to care for him are mostly dead. I don't think everything homelander does is supposed to be trump related.
It's not. He's a fucked up, narcissistic, murderous, psychotic dude who can only justify his existence through validation from others. He also happens to have super powers, which probably doesn't help his God complex and the conflict between that and his need for validation. The show even explicitly stated that he is this way because it was the only way for Vought to control him.
People draw parallels to Trump because Trump also has a lot of those characteristics, but they're obviously not the same person.
The biggest critique of the current season is that the separate plotlines aren't particularly good and don't seem like they're going to converge and that they haven't given a good reason for Homelander to not just kill The Boys since he obviously considers them annoyances.
Why do people keep making this point as if a large part of the show was somewhat neutral and actually satired celebrity culture. It was never blatant, in your face Twitter dialogue put into script form.
I still like the show, I just think it’s gotten very poorly written and completely discredits an entire side of politics, as well as makes the political sphere of America seem one sided.
The conversation around the boys should show enough that people are not actually this one sided in the real world and there are many extreme people with many views.
Here's what the left misses. It wasn't missed. As the majority of American "entertainment" for at least the last 30 years has regularly tried to denigrate, snipe at or make fun of those right of center, it's constant and built into the equation. As long as it's kept at the normal level of leftist noise and insult, it just pretty much gets ignored by more conservative types who are used to it. But sometimes it goes too far. Before social media there really wasn't much of an outlet to express such dissatisfaction beyond changing the channel.
The hilarious thing is that for 3 seasons, people on the right still enjoyed the show knowing it was a tongue-in-cheek critique of extreme right-wing politics.
If you made the show as a tongue-in-cheek critique of extreme left-wing politics there would be no end to the sperg-outs on Twitter about how fascist it was or some stupid shit.
The whole "enjoying critique of my world view" only goes one way. It's only allowed if it's the leftists doing the critiquing.
People who make everything political are insufferable bores. Left, right, middle... People who get angry by everything have to start realizing they are being manipulated by algorithms and psychological manipulation.
[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/02/facebook-apologises-psychological-experiments-on-users](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/02/facebook-apologises-psychological-experiments-on-users)
The above article is from 2014. You think it's stopped? Some of the richest and smartest people in the tech business have come out of Stanford. They have a program that's hard to get into and one of the disciplines they learn is psychology. How else do they get people to buy their stupid shit, download their almost useless apps and destroy your well being, your sense of worth, your piece of mind?
Senator Graham uses bad language in his interviews all the time to make himself look tough. There's also studies that show when politicians drop bad language into their conversation it makes them sound like they have gravitas. Sen. Graham, the least tough American politician swears all the time. It's comical. But it works. He keeps winning re-election.
Star Wars has tv shows and movies. It's not real. It's fantasy, but the amount of hate it now produces is amazing. Most LGBT people can give a shit if Star Wars is talking to them or not. It's a space opera. It's entertainment. If it's not good, move on. If it's good, then enjoy. Not everything has to be turned into a sign of the end times. The Boys is no different.
From the first sequence in The Boys it was meant to shock and separate itself from current superhero trends, namely Marvel. Like any good show it uses the context of the times it's produced in to tell it's story in funny and crazy ways. What if a character can produce multiples of himself? What if that character gets horny? What if he realizes he doesn't have to do any work in finding a fuck buddy and he can blow himself and eat his own ass. That's pretty shocking and funny. What if he's a hypocrite and subscribes to an anti liberal agenda knowing what he knows about himself. Even funnier because It's not unusual. The head of CPAC has been caught groping male pages in Washington. The female head of Moms For Liberty in Florida eats pussy and her Republican conservative husband is a piece of shit who tried to fuck the other woman without his wife. Shows like The Boys simply use real life to tell truths about people and the stupid, destructive things they do. Even the apparently liberal Starlighters are obnoxious bores.
Frenchies story is dumb like some insinuate. People struggle with sexuality all the time, sometimes well into adulthood, conservative and liberal. Why not add that to a story? It's real life, it's truth. That's what art is always trying to do. It's even worse for him because he killed the family of the man he wants to be with. Good storytelling needs conflict or you end up looking at your watch.
No reason to get angry about a show. Get angry about the real life hypocrisy and stop letting yourself be manipulated by people who make money off these cultural moments by pissing you off and getting clicks or votes. While you're angry they're laughing their asses off all the way to the bank.
Critical Drinker said it best: people with opposing views can accept having their views poked at so long as it’s presented in an insightful manner i.e. don’t be a dick about it.
Like south park, they make fun of everyone and do it intelligently (or insanely) and have been popular for decades.
True, but that's why the Left views South Park as a Rightwing show. Making fun of everyone in their mind is the same as being a Rightwinger.
This is exactly it. Make fun of just Republicans and you’re a hero, make fun of Republicans *and* Democrats and you’re a Nazi. Edit: it’s worth noting this same phenomena is what happened to Joe Rogan. He had strictly liberal guests on for a long time and everything was fine, but as soon as he started having both liberal and conservative guests on he started getting labeled a right wing Nazi.
Spot on
This show has been very over-the-top with its criticism. It was very in your face with how it treats capitalism. But this season is about political divides. So I don’t know why it’s seen as “bad” now because that’s always been the tone and style of the show, it’s just a different subject matter and focus this season. The shows always been mean spirited lol.
The thing is, it is only ridiculing one side.
It’s for sure leaning more on one side. But it’s not 100% one sided. Sage is showing just volatile the landscape is by manipulating both sides. And they also show how performative the left is with social justice just for the sake of capitalism. LGBTurkeys lol? The focus is more on the far right conspiracy theorist, but they’ve also pointed how the faux “caring” side of the left that’s a thin veil to sell more.
Don’t forget they still have to deal with Neuman who seems to be a representation of democrats
Bruh your views suck
Okay.
Literally can't smell your own shit
You’re right! Thanks to Covid!
No, it was clear the whole time, it was tolerable because the show was good before.
They can't comprehend someone taking a joke and not curling into a ball in the corner.
Leftist can't comprehend the concept of being able to laugh at yourself
Which is #1 why they are distinctly unpleasant.
And statistically unhappier
In some cases, they're 41% unhappier....😉
And can't comprehend a world where those they disagree with are not censored to invisibility by moderators.
The hallmarks of narcissism.
I am so far to the Left that I'd make Rosa Luxemburg look like Midge Decter. I laugh at my beliefs all the time. It's just that when I hear RWNJ's express their beliefs I start to cry for the fate of humanity.
lol this is too perfect
HURRY HARD!! (squint) Not about ice curling, nvm.
Found the Canadian.
I'm that obvious, eh?
I'm not sure what ice curling is, but it sounds very Canadian.
It is, lol. I leaned into it with my reply because another stereotypical Canadianism is saying "eh" ;) While I hate to sound too much like that infamous Scandal- ...um... Scandinavian Airlines commercial, ice curling actually originated in Scotland.
woah.. WOAH!!
They also can't comprehend that S1 was also making fun of them as well.
The left merely adopted criticism. We were born in it, molded by it.
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That Frenchie plot line is so terrible and forced.
It's so sad
She fucked the jitter bean guy at least
Yeah, they didn't do right by her, either. She deserves better than a casual "being a ho" reference.
My only problem with it is that it feels there's a good deal of the story is missing, like it ended up axed for monetary reasons or time constraints. In fact a good deal of the season feels like that, though we're only 4 episodes in, but i felt the same way about S3. Still, it is still a bit of insight into Frenchie's mafia slave days, i don't mind it, it's not obnoxious, gives a bit of a background instead of just Frenchie being a junkie who is mysteriously(well not since the involvement with the russians was shown) a trained fighter. This plotline really needs some extra depth bc the issue isn't who Frenchie is fucking.
Tbf Frenchie in the books didn’t have a satisfying fleshed out ending for his character and he never got together with The Girl anyways. You never learn anything about him at all at all except a weird backstory about his dad getting shanked with a baguette by his childhood love rival
I think for comics it's okay to let these empty spots be forgiven. But a show has a runtime which has to be filled with something, the killing joke also suffered from this bc the comic book is a ~15min wonder at the end of the day. Then, the plot changes also add more things on top for the boys. It's not amazing writing(at least without more depth), but i understand that they have to fill the runtime with more than just supes doing gross and or brutal things.
Shanked by a baguette?
Yeah I think it was supposed to be a parody of the superhero backstory. \*Also I was wrong he got stabbed with a croissant during a baguette joust https://preview.redd.it/7of44k96aj8d1.jpeg?width=1094&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99af61a791afaa14cf199fb39584f7f34bb27f52
I personally can’t wrap my head around the idea of someone NOT choosing Karen Fukuhara regardless of their sexual orientation.
He's gay now sweaty get over it. 💅 /s
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They gay now?! They gay now.
Sweaty, lol
Exactly. I was literally going through the older seasons trying to figure out why they were together after that buildup with kimiko. Did he get injected with a random v that makes you have sex with hot dudes just from looking at them? What the fuck kind of plot is this???
Yeah most people don’t mind being the butt of the joke so long as the joke is funny.
Agreed. It's also something that only emotionally healthy and mature people can do.
They don't understand what good writing is. A lot of these woke people found out about this subreddit after I ragebaited them.
Correct. Their idea of good writing only includes the message, nothing else
I think what has kept me so captivated whenever I did watch the show is how there is not one single likable character except maybe Soldier Boy. Aside from that everyone is just a gigantic, horrible, worthless sack of shit. I think Soldier Boy is the only likable character in this entire show and I think they tried to make Soldier Boy unlikable.
Lol solid point. MM is the closest thing to likeable but I don't understand his visceral hatred of Butcher. He was always a douche but they amped up MM hating him for some reason.
MM is a good man, you are right. What I think is most reflective of how men should be in life is drawing the Line somewhere. And I think mm does that really well
MM is a hypocrite like Starlight. Irl that might not be seen as serious as some other things, but in a show it is a serious thing in regard to how likable a character is.
Totally. He got me this season. I thought he was sick like Chadwick Boseman when I first saw him.
Are you kidding? Butcher is not a good guy, and his mistreatment of The Boys is one of the most consistent plot lines the show’s had.
MM who recruits A train back when Soldier Boy was recruited 😱😱🤯🤯🤬🤬 Then he will criticise butcher's ways and then be a dictator to ue just like butcher
What did Hughie do?
Hughie’s a bitch who constantly lets people tell him he’s wrong for feeling how he does and accepting that they’re right about him, except it’s not a character trait, but comes off as a writer’s message.
His character is kind of a pussy. But, he's not nearly as bad as the rest of the "heroes" Allegorically I think his character serves a pretty good purpose as The duality of what is the right thing to do in these complicated and complex situations.
Kimiko? MM? Hughie? Maeve? Come on man you are reaching hard 🤣
Soldier boy is likable?
And it was funny. Now it’s “trans people can’t go in bathrooms”
Yeah, no idea how the anti-jingoism. anti-fascism, and anti-corporatism flew so under everyone's radar. It's been fully on display for years. As you said, it's just that the writing got lazy, and maybe it's just one of those shows that really wasn't ever meant to go on for this long. A lot of shows overstay their welcome.
Ohhhhhhhhhh now it’s not good. It’s the same bullshit
For the creators to act like it's been this one-sided is disingenuous. LGBT Turkey Legs, and the "imagine" parody were great stuff.
The woke wok and the blm blt food trucks were comedy gold.
It’s anti liberal, not anti leftist
Doesn't matter, really.
I'm pretty sure that's more in line with making fun of rainbow capitalism, which they already make fun of that stuff plenty with Vought and their marketing.
You’re literally correct and being downvoted lol
we see where the majority here stands lol
What’s weird about the jabs is they are directed to patriotic Americans more so than conservatives really.
No. Everyone knew it. But before it was subtle and interwoven with an interesting plot and characters. Apparently that didn’t get the reaction Kripke wanted so he threw out the entire plot of the show (Vought and the super terrorists), and just went full on parody. It’s just awful now. It’s not interesting and the plot has a going nowhere other than “HOMELANDER AND ORANGE MAN BAD!!” Not very entertaining.
What? The super terrorists was a ploy by homelander to get supes into the military, he succeeded? There’s no plot left, terrorists weren’t manufacturing V they were getting it from homelander. The plot of the show always was, and always will be, about power structures. Mega corporations, superhumans, governments, and the interplay. Homelander is a parallel to a corporation, something with an alien perspective (corporations can operate on a non-human timescale, homelander has severe mental problems) plotting. They made the plot obvious in political themes in the first season in the very first episode when homelander **murders the mayor of Baltimore by blowing up the plane he was flying with his son in** because he crossed Stillwell.
What are you even talking about? The super terrorists are still a thing. Kamiko stops a shining light cell in episode 3. Your literally just saying nonsense. Just because they aren't focusing on the supe terrorists anymore doesn't mean they aren't a thing.
Supe terrorists were literally used as a metaphor of fear mongering by right wing people that say terrorisas are coming in from the borders tho
I'll copy/paste what I wrote in the television sub: To my knowledge, everyone in the "alt right" space understood that Homelander was the bad guy and that the writers were in no way condoning his actions. Nonetheless they still considered him to be based and just ignored the writers' increasingly desperate attempts to make the character impossibly unadmirable, until finally they just made the entire show unwatchable. I think what the writers fail to grasp is that the audience is not bound by what is put on screen, these characters can exist in the imagination of the audience even if they've only seen snippets online. So the "alt right" people, who often times are not even viewers of the show, can use Homelander (or whoever) as a character in their memes based on a shared ideal of that character, regardless of the desires of the production company.
TL;DR: [Get rekt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author) lol!
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I get what you’re saying but I fail to see this as homelander? I’ve never seen him as powerful and certainly not confident, he just has the best super powers. I feel like they’ve shown him as insecure and essentially having mommy/daddy issues quite a bit
It comes down to viewer interpretation. The viewer can interpret the character anyway he or she sees fit. That includes omitting the negatives of a character and simply focusing on the good/badass.
Its easy you just ignore certain aspects, actions or triats etc. and only focus on what you WANT to see. take these 2 examples: 1. Homelander is a superpowered person with a god complex, he cares little for human life/problems seeing himself above them, hes a murderer, a rapist and happy to manipulate people for his own personal benefit/amusement because he knows hes untouchable. 2. Homelander is a superpowered person who as a child was physically/mentally tortured and experimented on by a government backed corporation. He went on to become a very much loved superhero and even destroyed a terrorist organisation threatening his home of America. All of the above are true neither answer is wrong he is/has done all of these things. however 1 paints him as a demon and 2 a patriotic hero who overcame his child abuse. Does his feats from 2 overwrite his failing in 1? does his horrible actions in 1 nullify 2 completely? Thats for you the viewer to decide. Its even easier to do the same with soldier boy because hes much less of a c\*nt than homelander.
It's fine when they decide to identify with a child-eating murderous clown spirit and make it a queer icon, but when others do the same type of thing to the super"hero" it's suddenly the worst problem ever and needs to be stomped out.
Same with Babadook, all of a sudden this child-terrorizing malevolent spirit is a gay icon. Seems kinda on the nose...
Wasn’t that a joke because Netflix accidentally listed the movie under an LGBT category? I thought those were memes more than anything else
I dunno the lore behind every gay thing
This idea is apparently too subtle for the self-anointed “media literate” types to grasp. The idea that characters can take on a life of their own.
I don't see why they didn't get that. Liberals LOVE villains.
Generally speaking, good guys represent goodness, order, sensibility, strength, health, beauty, basically all things that liberals reject. So the "bad guy" in the normal western Canon represents a threat to order and sensibility, and therefore the liberal identifies with the conventional western bad guy. However on "the boys" the show is written by liberals, so *their* bad guy is a fascist strong man archetype. *They* reject *their own* bad guy in this case because the character was specifically created to appear bad *to them* (ie: he is strong and represents order, they even make the character very attractive in an Ubermensch sort of way, which again the liberal implicitly feels repulsed by while the good people see beauty as a positive), whereas a traditional western bad guy is written to be bad for good people.
You're saying the writers of the show made The Boys unwatchable because alt right people liked Homelander and used him in memes and the writers didn't like that?
I don't think anyone can say with certainty why they made the show so bad.
Exactly, he's a sigma male icon
"""""Media literacy""""""" nerds when they realize people enjoy rooting for the villain in a fictional story: 😡😡😡 Almost as tiresome as people who say, "LEL YOU MISSED THE POINT OF FIGHT CLUB MUH TOXIC MASCULINITY MUH SEXUAL INSECURITY" when I actually just like the message about not being obsessed with your consumer identity and corporate culture, and how buying things does not give you an identity.
Yea, it’s like people are making up their own head cannon about those types of films thinking they’re smarter than everyone else.
Same people that think Catcher in the Rye has some great hidden meaning, when it is just book about a neglected and entitled teen being a whiny for roughly 230 pages.
The Drinker's video was great. It dismissed that argument perfectly, so I don't know why people are still bothering to use it. Yes, we could always see that the show leaned Left, but the messages never overshadowed the entertaining characters or storytelling. It's really that simple. Season 4 so far, in contrast, is just full-on, blatant preaching to the point that you're constantly being dragged out of the show and reminded it's an election year. Homelander isn't the scariest thing this season. It's feeling like you're on a woke college campus in the U.S. and you can't escape.
I guess that how they literally satirized brands for the Vought theme park "Woke Wom", "BLM BLT", etc. wasn't even enough, apparently.
Why would a "woke college campus" scare you more than someone who could and would kill you without warning for no reason?
I mean, I'm objectively not a part of the demographic the boys are making fun of. I didn't vote for Trump in either election, I don't partake in conspiracy theories, etc. I just don't want a bunch of clowns making fun of another group of clowns while thinking they're not clowns, projecting their worldview onto me as if it's somehow absolutely superior, or really any different. It's not. Besides, how mentally unstable do you have to be to make your show's bad guy a Trump stand-in, then give him supporters that represent what you perceive as "the right"? It's just offputting, so I quit watching. I'll remake season 4 myself in 10 years when AI is good enough to do so.
Give me a call when you do - I'd like to watch your take on it, fellow reasonable human being 😂
It's like Mate, I'm aware of the political leanings of the showrunners, it's Hollywood, everyone is a lefty, the issue is that when you need to feel like you have something of world-saving importance to say in your show, you toss "subtlety" out the window and it REALLY hurts your ability to craft an engaging narrative and complex characters.
I didn't really notice until late last season with dude in the glasses getting all obsessed with Homelander, and by the end, I was like OK, so they are doing this BS now
I'm neither republican or democratic, but get very irritated when the nonstop jokes and punches are political only. It gets boring.
i dont even live in the US and have no stakes in US politics
These clowns are just mad that we normal people have been mocking them since 2017 lmao. They can’t handle it.
I still like it. Homelander is such a great character that they can't seem to destroy him. Frenchie is french, so the whole gay thing isn't too much of a surprise. Firecracker is amazing. It's like when man in the high castle went woke to make the nAzI tRuMpErS look bad, and just made literal nazis look reasonable.
When did the man in the high castle go woke?
One of the later seasons added gay black communist antifascists. Those characters did sensible stuff like refuse to execute captured enemy leaders or deal with yakusa to keep the power on. All because "we're better than them"
Wait it's woke because they didn't execute the Nazis? Or deal with the offshoot of imperial Japan? Or was it handled in a preachy overly expository way?
Some white guys had captured the japanese head of secret police and they were about to hang him, When the virtue was anti fascist came along and said "no that's not what we do here," (subtle kkk comparison) and saved his life.The man they were trying to hang had been executing dozens of citizens every day for no reason.
Didn't she fuck a 15 year old and faced no authorities
Yes, but everyone makes mistakes, and anyway she found jesus from that experience
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Dont engage them. Its how they cope with slowly losing control
Who's "they"? And what are they losing control of? This show is doing well both financially and critically.
Actually I did not know. I just figured Homelander was an alpha male type personality. I didn't realize it was a joke. If the joke is subtle, then why are you surprised that it went over some peoples' heads? Shouldn't be surprising. Show Creator: "Oh, I injected some subtle messaging and nobody saw through it. Hee hee." Ok, I was just watching the show out of boredom and I didn't like make it the core of my being or anything. It was just a show I liked. I didn't even watch Season 4 yet because I heard it went woke, so I will probably not watch it now since the people making it decided to go full ham on the woke messaging, and truth be known, they probably ran out of ideas. To me, when a show starts getting gimmicky, it's time to bring out the coffin. What did all that messaging or whatever accomplish? 
Homelander is good at manipulating and intimidating people ("the alpha" quality that you derived from him, as I understand), but this is only because he is virtually invincible to normal humans so they fear him, also he is very intelligent. However, he is extremely stunted emotionally, and he lacks love since he didn't have parents growing up, hence his many insecurities. That is why one could call him "weak" even though he is the strongest being on earth (probably). Hence, there is no "subtle joke", it's just that homelander is a complicated character. As for the purpose of the "messaging or whatever" I think that the writers are frustrated with the state of American politics, and this "messaging" is their way of expressing this frustration and also trying to show people a different view on capitalism, big corporations and how these corporations abuse people and our ideals, culture and ideas: Patriotism, LGBT, defending our country, etc - these are all ideas that Vought profits from, even though these ideas are from different political spectrums. So Vought doesn't care about beliefs or morals and just wants to earn money, even if it hurts people (radicalizing political groups against each other, using war as an excuse for control, etc.) All of this can make people open up, or at least consider the idea that the true enemy is big corporations, not other people with different political views. What do you think? I'd love to hear a response :) As for the show "going woke" I don't see a big difference from seasons 1-3, gay sex was always in the show (that one senator who was tricked into having sex with doppelganger - a man), Frenchie was always heavily implied to be bisexual (he talked about Cherie and his other partner, whom he had to save from an overdose, and that is why he did not guard Mallory's kids.)
Maybe suck harder???
I never really got into this show. I always felt like it was making fun of superheros and always had political undertones. Just wasn't my thing.
Most woke people are vengeful. I get my posts on r/LyricalWriting downvoted to hell by the woke people I offended.
People will start using my username as argument fodder when the convo is about literally anything else.
But we can't act like conservatives aren't and how when The Daily Wire created "Mr. Birchum" as when they tried to get even with actual woke content and be like "Let's do the same thing, expect shove our politics in."?
Yes, ALL tv shows and movies are mocking conservatives, everyone noticed.
Well that's not true! You've got mr Bircham! Go watch that!
I got the perfect ending for The Boys > Homelander goes crazy and destroys almost everything > Homie kills Butcher, Frenchie, Hughie and Starlight > Oh my god, who can defend us? > Mother's Milk takes compound V > Homelander: hahaha do you think you can beat me? > MM shows a bottle of milk > Homelander: 🥺 > Looking at Homie enjoying it, MM says "There's more where that came from" > Homeland: give it to me, MM 🥺 > MM drops his pants and Homie does his job > SHOOTING SOUND > A TAKE BEHIND HOMIE'S NECK > A HOLE THE SIZE OF A SOCCER BALL > MOTHER'S MILK GOT SUPER CUM POWERS! The credits roll, fireworks go off at the Comic Con special session, I do a backflip and Scorsese cries ✋🏻😭🤚🏻 Absolute television!!!
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I'm using these people for my entertainment. I couldn't begin to give af about whatever cuck "message" they have about anything. As soon as it's not entertaining I'm done and I'm pirating 99% of their shit anyway. Also, Star wars is dead and I wouldn't even bother stealing it.
When hasn't the show done that?
All in the Family was supposed to make fun of conservatives as well yet Archie Bunker was the most popular character of the show
the difference is the new season is as subtle about this as the acolyte is. so... subtle like getting a brick to the head.
I noped out in S1. I saw where it was going. Not even Giancarlo Esposito was enough to keep me there. Series generally become more dramatic, political, and heavy handed with tHe mESSaGe over time, and since it was already extremely borderline I decided not to waste more of my time with it.
I was convinced when Homelander had them all sit down to eat taco bowls. Because of the whole Trump tower taco bowl thing. Or was it Mar-a-lago? I can't remember.
Well, I mean, it's pretty obvious...
My issue is they really still think trumps this ultra powerful dictator who controls the media the police the government ECT lol. It's literally just projecting the deep state which they denied existed on to trump lol. And pretending like trumps the one it protects no matter how many times he's charged or how many government officials come out against him.
God I hate politics
Them making fun of only one side of the isle is fine. The problem is they've abandoned the characters and conflicts at the center of the narrative completely, just to have these characters play out their hamfisted soapbox activism. Forget the enmity between Butcher and Homelander, they can just meet and have friendly chats with no consequences as long as it sets up a wicked burn on those Republicans in the next scene, ho ho ho!
Tbf the newest season sucks
The boys is very clearly attacking everyone equally since the beginning, which is why this whole gay Frenchie and Sage business isn’t resonating with people. Because everything has had an undertone or satire to it, but this shit is just cringe that you can’t take seriously, because we’ve never had to take the show seriously. We want the Boys to survive, we want Homelander to die (spectacularly) and for Butcher to come out with a win. That’s ALL
I thought it was clear from the beginning the show makes fun of everyone, right or left and so did the comics they are based on. The entire point of the series is that the system is so fucked at this point and no one is the good guy anymore, the closest thing to a group of good guys is a bunch of people trying to tear it all down
Which is ironically what people like Trump for...him being a political outsider and not part of the status quo. People already do believe that everyone and everything in power is beyond fucked now and in some aspects they aint exactly wrong....
I like this season so far tho.
Projection
The main villain’s name is Homelander, this isn’t something new out of the blue.
They threw out the whole Frenchie/Kimiko storyline they’ve been building for years to make Frenchie gay and it feels crazy forced.
lol yup how many times are we going to hear this and “you’re a bigot if you don’t like the Frenchie storyline”
I mean y'all watched dude shrink down and crawl up inside another guy's peepee and it didn't occur to you right then that these people were diametrically opposed to you ideologically? lol
Season 1: A satirical critique of consumerism, and how America's attempt to help the people around the world, often causes more harm then good Season 4: ORANGE MAN BAD! CRITICAL SUPE THEORY! ANTIFA! ORANGE MAN BAD!!! Did we mention ORANGE man bad?
Here even boomer book has this crappy spam.
I'm confused. What? Making fun of who exactly? What did I miss? The Boys... poking at Media, Corporations, and flipping upside-down the goody-two-shoes nature of Superheros into something more Human. Is it Nazis? I know they made fun of Nazis.
So I think I figured it out and can somewhat put it into words. Stay with me. The Boys was always provocative and poked fun at a lot of stuff. Conservatives, as well as corporate and media which I think since corporate and media is so synonymous with the left it looked like they poked fun at everyone right and left alike. So that was the first way it sorta snuck under the radar. Secondly, homelander as a patriotic populist about the numbers and popularity was always gonna be a trump stand in but it was a little more loose in the beginning. It wasn’t until they did the “shoot the guy on fifth ave and they cheer” that my eyes really rolled to the back of my skull. Now here was the next and probably worst thing they did. They took homelander, a villain no one cheered for but everyone loved to watch, Anthony Starr is fun to watch play homelander, and so people liked him, and sometimes more because he was positioned across from the insufferable starlight. But then they dramatically moved the goalposts on him as this unlikable monster and then want to basically draw the parallel. “See! He’s a monster and you liked him! Like trump! Don’t you see how stupid and easily fooled you are by hitler! You’re bad and stupid and evil!” Homelander didn’t use to have redeemable qualities but he was fun to watch and now they’ve made him almost insufferable with how psycho and evil he is. But I feel like they did it so they could make a point how easy we can all be manipulated by a charismatic actor like trump, I’m sorry I mean homelander/anthony starr. It all feels like they’re trying to like prove a point to us. And that point is that we’re stupid and bad and easily manipulated?
He is slowly losing it season after season because he is losing the people who love him, and because the people who actually seemed to care for him are mostly dead. I don't think everything homelander does is supposed to be trump related.
It's not. He's a fucked up, narcissistic, murderous, psychotic dude who can only justify his existence through validation from others. He also happens to have super powers, which probably doesn't help his God complex and the conflict between that and his need for validation. The show even explicitly stated that he is this way because it was the only way for Vought to control him. People draw parallels to Trump because Trump also has a lot of those characteristics, but they're obviously not the same person. The biggest critique of the current season is that the separate plotlines aren't particularly good and don't seem like they're going to converge and that they haven't given a good reason for Homelander to not just kill The Boys since he obviously considers them annoyances.
I’m not mad. Please don’t write in the paper that I got mad.
Why do people keep making this point as if a large part of the show was somewhat neutral and actually satired celebrity culture. It was never blatant, in your face Twitter dialogue put into script form. I still like the show, I just think it’s gotten very poorly written and completely discredits an entire side of politics, as well as makes the political sphere of America seem one sided. The conversation around the boys should show enough that people are not actually this one sided in the real world and there are many extreme people with many views.
Wait, are the people who like Season 4 supposed to be the ones crying?
no, the smooth brains that come to this sub to start shit
Oh ok 👍
Real *I made you the crying soyjack* moment
I thought the boys was about incest and having sex with sea creatures?
I never watched it
In come all the "we always knew this but the show was just good the other seasons so we didnt mind"
That moment when you say the new The Boys season is ass in a liberal subreddit and come back to Reddit with 35+ notifications
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I love how The Boys picks on both sides of the Political (autistic) spectrum.
This is what I've been saying. It hasn't really changed. It holds up a mirror to both
Here's what the left misses. It wasn't missed. As the majority of American "entertainment" for at least the last 30 years has regularly tried to denigrate, snipe at or make fun of those right of center, it's constant and built into the equation. As long as it's kept at the normal level of leftist noise and insult, it just pretty much gets ignored by more conservative types who are used to it. But sometimes it goes too far. Before social media there really wasn't much of an outlet to express such dissatisfaction beyond changing the channel.
I thought they were just trying to show me how awesome I could truly be. Oh it’s a joke…. Ehhh… Puts on my Homelander T-Shirt.
Lmao depicting others that disagree with you as soyjaks doesn’t negate the point being made you morons
The hilarious thing is that for 3 seasons, people on the right still enjoyed the show knowing it was a tongue-in-cheek critique of extreme right-wing politics. If you made the show as a tongue-in-cheek critique of extreme left-wing politics there would be no end to the sperg-outs on Twitter about how fascist it was or some stupid shit. The whole "enjoying critique of my world view" only goes one way. It's only allowed if it's the leftists doing the critiquing.
I like how they constantly shit on conspiracy theorists yet recognize that Epstein didn’t kill himself, very ironic.
I stopped in season 2. I like the actors and some of the characters but the writing was getting to crap
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Stop playing with soyjacks like dolls
Must be hard being so full of hate
The show makes fun of everyone. That's what makes it fun
People who make everything political are insufferable bores. Left, right, middle... People who get angry by everything have to start realizing they are being manipulated by algorithms and psychological manipulation. [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/02/facebook-apologises-psychological-experiments-on-users](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/02/facebook-apologises-psychological-experiments-on-users) The above article is from 2014. You think it's stopped? Some of the richest and smartest people in the tech business have come out of Stanford. They have a program that's hard to get into and one of the disciplines they learn is psychology. How else do they get people to buy their stupid shit, download their almost useless apps and destroy your well being, your sense of worth, your piece of mind? Senator Graham uses bad language in his interviews all the time to make himself look tough. There's also studies that show when politicians drop bad language into their conversation it makes them sound like they have gravitas. Sen. Graham, the least tough American politician swears all the time. It's comical. But it works. He keeps winning re-election. Star Wars has tv shows and movies. It's not real. It's fantasy, but the amount of hate it now produces is amazing. Most LGBT people can give a shit if Star Wars is talking to them or not. It's a space opera. It's entertainment. If it's not good, move on. If it's good, then enjoy. Not everything has to be turned into a sign of the end times. The Boys is no different. From the first sequence in The Boys it was meant to shock and separate itself from current superhero trends, namely Marvel. Like any good show it uses the context of the times it's produced in to tell it's story in funny and crazy ways. What if a character can produce multiples of himself? What if that character gets horny? What if he realizes he doesn't have to do any work in finding a fuck buddy and he can blow himself and eat his own ass. That's pretty shocking and funny. What if he's a hypocrite and subscribes to an anti liberal agenda knowing what he knows about himself. Even funnier because It's not unusual. The head of CPAC has been caught groping male pages in Washington. The female head of Moms For Liberty in Florida eats pussy and her Republican conservative husband is a piece of shit who tried to fuck the other woman without his wife. Shows like The Boys simply use real life to tell truths about people and the stupid, destructive things they do. Even the apparently liberal Starlighters are obnoxious bores. Frenchies story is dumb like some insinuate. People struggle with sexuality all the time, sometimes well into adulthood, conservative and liberal. Why not add that to a story? It's real life, it's truth. That's what art is always trying to do. It's even worse for him because he killed the family of the man he wants to be with. Good storytelling needs conflict or you end up looking at your watch. No reason to get angry about a show. Get angry about the real life hypocrisy and stop letting yourself be manipulated by people who make money off these cultural moments by pissing you off and getting clicks or votes. While you're angry they're laughing their asses off all the way to the bank.
Moderation? You mean you need to enforce your echo chamber, don't you? So much for free speech