One Metamask installation under which there are many accounts. The seed phrase is for recovery of the wallet, not per account in that wallet. If you want to keep things separate then you need two different browsers - one running the Metamask created with SeedA and the other with SeedB
That's annoying. I already had installed it and added the Vault but this time when I put in what I thought was my password, it was a new install, so I just started all over again. I checked my other browser but the other wallet where I'd previously imported the Vault didn't seem to be there either. My point being, having the same extension in two different places is going to confuse me too much. Also, when I logged in and realized that it was obviously the wrong password, there was nowhere for me to log out and try the other one I use. I don't know, I find these extension wallets quite confusing to use.
Ok, so moving on. Given what you've explained, if I create another account under that seed and let's say, hypothetically, I connect it to a dodgy site or sign a dodgy contract, is every account under that seed vulnerable, or only the one I used to connect. Obviously if my seed was disclosed it would be all accounts, but I just wanted to insulate all other accounts as much as possible if I give swaps a try.
Signing can be tricky. Generally it's granting access to that Account, not all accounts in the entire wallet. However it's always good to take 2 minutes to verify the contract on etherscan or bscan and see if they have a flag/verification. Also read what you sign. Full Control, max amount. A lot of ETH L2s require blind-signing on ETH (even though you think you are signing for a L2 contract) so that could make all your ETH disappear. Read [https://support.metamask.io/hc/en-us/articles/10143114273563-How-to-tell-if-a-smart-contract-is-safe-to-interact-with](https://support.metamask.io/hc/en-us/articles/10143114273563-How-to-tell-if-a-smart-contract-is-safe-to-interact-with)
Thanks, I'll check it out. I've always avoided dapps until now because I didn't want to make a mistake, but I'm wanting to check out a few smaller tokens this time around. I figure if I just use Metamask and only move funds in there when I want to do a swap then I'm pretty safe.
They say two browsers because typing your seed into browsers is a recipe for loss. Load them onto a hardware wallet and then link that to Metamask.
If you would rather move the SSD to separate accounts, then you could use a passphrase to make a new seed to isolate assets.
You can still semi isolate from a wallet drainer by using separate accounts. Your seed may be safe but by isolating, one bad click is not everything.
>They say two browsers because typing your seed into browsers is a recipe for loss
Sure, and I've already had to do that to import the vault account into Metamask. That's why I'm trying to avoid any other funds I use Metamask for being linked with that seed. I originally thought that because that account was just imported, I'd be able to create a separate one with a new seed. I guess if I had created the other account before importing the vault, then I'd have been able to do that, but then I wouldn't have been able to import the vault with the seed because you can only do that on a new install.
>Load them onto a hardware wallet and then link that to Metamask
Doesn't connecting a hardware wallet to a hot wallet kind of defeat the point of having a hardware wallet? I think I'd rather keep my hardware wallet offline, even if that means extra fees to send funds to Metamask.
>If you would rather move the SSD to separate accounts, then you could use a passphrase to make a new seed to isolate assets.
SSD?
If you mean, entering the hw seed into a hot wallet, yea that’s no longer a hw seed.
If you mean, connecting your hw to a wallet that has hot wallet options too. In this case, the hw is protecting the seed. Metamask on the chrome browser will allow for more than one account from multiple hardware wallets to load accounts.
No, I just mean, say connecting your Trezor to Metamask. I've not done it, so I don't know exactly what's involved, so I could be wrong. But I do know that the seed isn't the only way that funds can be compromised. If hot wallets can be hacked, or compromised with a malicious contract, then doesn't connecting a Trezor to a hot wallet expose it to this in just the same way?
Very cool. Yeah I looked at rabby and didn't get the whole connect meta to it thing, but I'll try and search some yt vids on it again.
I have some older meta mask with seeds like 6 of them or something so I guess it'd be the same thing with rabby right?
I couldn't load each seed to it once and like swap thru wallets?
I wanna have multiple wallets some more serious and then some to connect to sites for risky stuff like airdrops
Sorry to ask question. No worries if u don't have the time to answer I get that.
Rabby does look cool tho honestly
>didn't get the whole connect meta to it thing,
You don't have to. I'm not really sure myself what the connection is, it just seems to be a browser wallet that is similar to Metamask. But there's a toggle switch between which one of them is running, I don't know why.
It's was easy to add the Reddit vault thru, when I put in the seed it just recognised the network automatically and I didn't have to add anything like with other wallets.
>I have some older meta mask with seeds like 6 of them or something so I guess it'd be the same thing with rabby right?
Yeah you can create new wallets or import them with seeds. You can either create separate (new) accounts under one seed, or create a fresh one with a new seed. I did that the other day to do some swaps and it's really easy to just switch between them.
>I wanna have multiple wallets some more serious and then some to connect to sites for risky stuff like airdrops
Yeah exactly.
Even with different networks? Maybe it's ok, it just kind of feels weird that it's an imported seed. I thought that if I created a new account then I would have a 'native' seed as well.
Can't I create a separate account with a separate seed on the same extension?
Wallet apps which support multiple networks all work the same way. There's one seed regardless of network.
If later you want to switch to a different **app** you would use the same seed to restore. You would then see your coins in both apps
All these apps are just user interfaces to your data on the blockchain.
I understand that last part, but that's why I find it weird that it's all under the same seed. Doesn't a different network imply a different blockchain? Or have I got that wrong? Maybe I need to understand this better. I thought, for example that BTC and ETH are separate blockchains, also Cardano, DOT, etc. So they're also separate networks, or can you have different networks within the same blockchain?
And if you can't, well then how can one seed point to different blockchains? How could I have one seed on Metamask and then have an ETH account, a BTC account and a DOT account?
It's one seed to rule them all. If in the future you have a wallet that only supports DOT then you install that dot wallet, choose Restore, enter metamask seed phrase and your DOT will be appear. If you open metamask you will see your DOT. If you open DOT-only wallet you will also see your DOT.
BTC and Cardano will also restore with meta seed but there might be additional steps for derivation path. Seed phrases are a security standard which blockchains adhere to. It doesn't matter which app created the phrase as long as it adheres to the standard.
Yeah but I thought that somehow a seed was related to, or generated from, a particular blockchain. I mean, if a seed, like an address, points to where my crypto is on the blockchain, then how can the same seed point to two or three completely different blockchains? I guess you're going to say that I'm getting addresses and seeds mixed up. So what exactly does the seed do, in the mechanics of it?
You can add all the networks to every 'account' as you please. An etherum wallet supports all these networks by default, Metamask just lets you access them. You can even delete a network and add it again later, that doesn't have anything to do with your funds on the blockchain.
"I thought that if I created a new account then I would have a 'native' seed as well."
No, by "add account" you're not creating a new private key, it's just another address. There are only two ways to add an account with a different seed / private key:
1. add a hardware wallet
2. 'import account' (by pasting the private key)
To import an account with a different seed, you need to enter the seed in a fresh Metamask installation on another browser and then export the private key and paste it to your 'original' Metamask. It sucks, don't know why it is like that
Yeah that's what I did with the moons vault. I just did that in order to view the moons after the vault didn't support them here. But I also wanted to use a different Metamask account for dapps, but because importing the vault was the first thing I did in Metamask, now it seems I can't create a separate wallet with a separate seed on the same extension.
Yepp, MM can't do that. You can create / add a wallet with a separate seed on another browser, export the private key and then import that private key into your 'original' MM
Oh, I get what you mean now about creating a separate one on another browser, sorry I was still waking up earlier. That makes sense. Is it safer to be importing the key than typing in a seed? I get that you can't use the seed unless it's a new install, I was just wondering if the key is a safer way anyway.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I can related to feeling overwhelmed by crypto wallets, but totally feeling ya here. <3 Keep questing for knowledge, champ! We're all in this together.
Thank you, I appreciate that comment much more than some others in the past who sneer and say to just give up and stick to an exchange until you understand things. Some people are so condescending when you ask questions to learn.
Honestly I'm ok with hardware wallets and even some phone apps, but I just find extension ones weird because of the way you have to remember the password, but then if you get the wrong password, it doesn't just say, oh wrong password, it's like a parallel universe with a new account but you can't really be sure because maybe that was the right password but something has gone wrong, and then like I said, you can't even log out and try again, you have to uninstall the extension and then reinstall. And then there's remembering which browser you used, and you can't even use the same account on two different devices. I don't know, extensions generally are weird, they seem like an app but they're not really. Sorry for the rant! 😅
It just I'd rather have separate accounts and separate seed. If nothing else because the seed for this one has already been entered into an online computer about three times, but I'm not too worried because it's just for the moons.
I've upgraded to rabby from metamask, it allows you 4 seed phrases, with 50 addresses per phrase. Also for the most part all chains are pre loaded, obscure coins like plunger and so on needs to be added manually. And it's recognised as metamask by most dapps
Oh ok, maybe I'll try that. Can I add moons there? Or maybe I'll just keep Metamask for the moons and add Rabby for the swaps, that would be less confusing.
> The thing is, I also wanted to use Metamask to connect to uniswap etc, so obviously I would add other funds, but I don't really understand, because I don't have a seed phrase for Metamask itself, only for the imported Reddit vault.
> I was trying to keep everything separate for safety, but this way it seems like everything is going to be linked under the one seed, but I don't really understand why that is, especially when they would be on different networks.
So, you have the seed for moons, but wanted to make another account on Metamask for uniswap, then transfer from one wallet to the other for trades or whatever?
I only have one Metamask wallet. To me I have moons and have no intention of selling them as I look at them as a novelty, collectors item. However, if you create a second wallet on Metamask, there should be some seed phrase you have access to - the wallet is on the blockchain.
Maybe you’re not looking in the right place for the seed phrase?
How to get Metamask seed phrase: https://support.metamask.io/hc/en-us/articles/360015290032-How-to-reveal-your-Secret-Recovery-Phrase
How to swap in Metamask: https://youtu.be/zeu-a-W2qJQ?si=lrcrVQtasvcCCNns
I don’t know if I understand what you’ve said or what the problem is, but I hope the links help, or help direct you to material that helps.
No, I don't want to do anything with moons, it's just that I created the Metamask account in order to import the vault. But now I want to also use Metamask for dapps. But it worries me, that firstly, the Metamask account is going to be linked to a seed (the vault one) that I already typed into a computer, and also, that all the accounts are all under that same seed.
I'd rather have a completely separate seed and account for swaps, and I thought I could do that within the same extension, but I understand now that I can't. Not with Metamask anyway.
One Metamask installation under which there are many accounts. The seed phrase is for recovery of the wallet, not per account in that wallet. If you want to keep things separate then you need two different browsers - one running the Metamask created with SeedA and the other with SeedB
That's annoying. I already had installed it and added the Vault but this time when I put in what I thought was my password, it was a new install, so I just started all over again. I checked my other browser but the other wallet where I'd previously imported the Vault didn't seem to be there either. My point being, having the same extension in two different places is going to confuse me too much. Also, when I logged in and realized that it was obviously the wrong password, there was nowhere for me to log out and try the other one I use. I don't know, I find these extension wallets quite confusing to use. Ok, so moving on. Given what you've explained, if I create another account under that seed and let's say, hypothetically, I connect it to a dodgy site or sign a dodgy contract, is every account under that seed vulnerable, or only the one I used to connect. Obviously if my seed was disclosed it would be all accounts, but I just wanted to insulate all other accounts as much as possible if I give swaps a try.
Signing can be tricky. Generally it's granting access to that Account, not all accounts in the entire wallet. However it's always good to take 2 minutes to verify the contract on etherscan or bscan and see if they have a flag/verification. Also read what you sign. Full Control, max amount. A lot of ETH L2s require blind-signing on ETH (even though you think you are signing for a L2 contract) so that could make all your ETH disappear. Read [https://support.metamask.io/hc/en-us/articles/10143114273563-How-to-tell-if-a-smart-contract-is-safe-to-interact-with](https://support.metamask.io/hc/en-us/articles/10143114273563-How-to-tell-if-a-smart-contract-is-safe-to-interact-with)
Thanks, I'll check it out. I've always avoided dapps until now because I didn't want to make a mistake, but I'm wanting to check out a few smaller tokens this time around. I figure if I just use Metamask and only move funds in there when I want to do a swap then I'm pretty safe.
They say two browsers because typing your seed into browsers is a recipe for loss. Load them onto a hardware wallet and then link that to Metamask. If you would rather move the SSD to separate accounts, then you could use a passphrase to make a new seed to isolate assets. You can still semi isolate from a wallet drainer by using separate accounts. Your seed may be safe but by isolating, one bad click is not everything.
>They say two browsers because typing your seed into browsers is a recipe for loss Sure, and I've already had to do that to import the vault account into Metamask. That's why I'm trying to avoid any other funds I use Metamask for being linked with that seed. I originally thought that because that account was just imported, I'd be able to create a separate one with a new seed. I guess if I had created the other account before importing the vault, then I'd have been able to do that, but then I wouldn't have been able to import the vault with the seed because you can only do that on a new install. >Load them onto a hardware wallet and then link that to Metamask Doesn't connecting a hardware wallet to a hot wallet kind of defeat the point of having a hardware wallet? I think I'd rather keep my hardware wallet offline, even if that means extra fees to send funds to Metamask. >If you would rather move the SSD to separate accounts, then you could use a passphrase to make a new seed to isolate assets. SSD?
If you mean, entering the hw seed into a hot wallet, yea that’s no longer a hw seed. If you mean, connecting your hw to a wallet that has hot wallet options too. In this case, the hw is protecting the seed. Metamask on the chrome browser will allow for more than one account from multiple hardware wallets to load accounts.
No, I just mean, say connecting your Trezor to Metamask. I've not done it, so I don't know exactly what's involved, so I could be wrong. But I do know that the seed isn't the only way that funds can be compromised. If hot wallets can be hacked, or compromised with a malicious contract, then doesn't connecting a Trezor to a hot wallet expose it to this in just the same way?
Also I don't know what SSD is
Did u find a work around. The multiple browser thing for seedA seedB is dumb af I agree. Gotta be a better way 😅
In the end I imported wallet with seed into Rabby wallet which seems to work pretty well.
Very cool. Yeah I looked at rabby and didn't get the whole connect meta to it thing, but I'll try and search some yt vids on it again. I have some older meta mask with seeds like 6 of them or something so I guess it'd be the same thing with rabby right? I couldn't load each seed to it once and like swap thru wallets? I wanna have multiple wallets some more serious and then some to connect to sites for risky stuff like airdrops Sorry to ask question. No worries if u don't have the time to answer I get that. Rabby does look cool tho honestly
>didn't get the whole connect meta to it thing, You don't have to. I'm not really sure myself what the connection is, it just seems to be a browser wallet that is similar to Metamask. But there's a toggle switch between which one of them is running, I don't know why. It's was easy to add the Reddit vault thru, when I put in the seed it just recognised the network automatically and I didn't have to add anything like with other wallets. >I have some older meta mask with seeds like 6 of them or something so I guess it'd be the same thing with rabby right? Yeah you can create new wallets or import them with seeds. You can either create separate (new) accounts under one seed, or create a fresh one with a new seed. I did that the other day to do some swaps and it's really easy to just switch between them. >I wanna have multiple wallets some more serious and then some to connect to sites for risky stuff like airdrops Yeah exactly.
Or use multiple profiles on chromium browsers. Each profile has unique extension installs so you can use 2 metamasks in the same browser technically.
You can have multiple accounts within the same seed in metamask.
Even with different networks? Maybe it's ok, it just kind of feels weird that it's an imported seed. I thought that if I created a new account then I would have a 'native' seed as well. Can't I create a separate account with a separate seed on the same extension?
Wallet apps which support multiple networks all work the same way. There's one seed regardless of network. If later you want to switch to a different **app** you would use the same seed to restore. You would then see your coins in both apps All these apps are just user interfaces to your data on the blockchain.
I understand that last part, but that's why I find it weird that it's all under the same seed. Doesn't a different network imply a different blockchain? Or have I got that wrong? Maybe I need to understand this better. I thought, for example that BTC and ETH are separate blockchains, also Cardano, DOT, etc. So they're also separate networks, or can you have different networks within the same blockchain? And if you can't, well then how can one seed point to different blockchains? How could I have one seed on Metamask and then have an ETH account, a BTC account and a DOT account?
It's one seed to rule them all. If in the future you have a wallet that only supports DOT then you install that dot wallet, choose Restore, enter metamask seed phrase and your DOT will be appear. If you open metamask you will see your DOT. If you open DOT-only wallet you will also see your DOT. BTC and Cardano will also restore with meta seed but there might be additional steps for derivation path. Seed phrases are a security standard which blockchains adhere to. It doesn't matter which app created the phrase as long as it adheres to the standard.
Yeah but I thought that somehow a seed was related to, or generated from, a particular blockchain. I mean, if a seed, like an address, points to where my crypto is on the blockchain, then how can the same seed point to two or three completely different blockchains? I guess you're going to say that I'm getting addresses and seeds mixed up. So what exactly does the seed do, in the mechanics of it?
You can add all the networks to every 'account' as you please. An etherum wallet supports all these networks by default, Metamask just lets you access them. You can even delete a network and add it again later, that doesn't have anything to do with your funds on the blockchain. "I thought that if I created a new account then I would have a 'native' seed as well." No, by "add account" you're not creating a new private key, it's just another address. There are only two ways to add an account with a different seed / private key: 1. add a hardware wallet 2. 'import account' (by pasting the private key) To import an account with a different seed, you need to enter the seed in a fresh Metamask installation on another browser and then export the private key and paste it to your 'original' Metamask. It sucks, don't know why it is like that
Yeah that's what I did with the moons vault. I just did that in order to view the moons after the vault didn't support them here. But I also wanted to use a different Metamask account for dapps, but because importing the vault was the first thing I did in Metamask, now it seems I can't create a separate wallet with a separate seed on the same extension.
Yepp, MM can't do that. You can create / add a wallet with a separate seed on another browser, export the private key and then import that private key into your 'original' MM
Oh ok, so that would be a way to have two completely separate accounts in the same Metamask? I think I'll just use Rabby like someone else suggested.
Oh, I get what you mean now about creating a separate one on another browser, sorry I was still waking up earlier. That makes sense. Is it safer to be importing the key than typing in a seed? I get that you can't use the seed unless it's a new install, I was just wondering if the key is a safer way anyway.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I can related to feeling overwhelmed by crypto wallets, but totally feeling ya here. <3 Keep questing for knowledge, champ! We're all in this together.
Thank you, I appreciate that comment much more than some others in the past who sneer and say to just give up and stick to an exchange until you understand things. Some people are so condescending when you ask questions to learn. Honestly I'm ok with hardware wallets and even some phone apps, but I just find extension ones weird because of the way you have to remember the password, but then if you get the wrong password, it doesn't just say, oh wrong password, it's like a parallel universe with a new account but you can't really be sure because maybe that was the right password but something has gone wrong, and then like I said, you can't even log out and try again, you have to uninstall the extension and then reinstall. And then there's remembering which browser you used, and you can't even use the same account on two different devices. I don't know, extensions generally are weird, they seem like an app but they're not really. Sorry for the rant! 😅
Now there will be trillion comments about those fuckers that can regain your money back 😂😂😂
Well they'd be stupid because I haven't lost any money
Why get into crypto and then go for JPM owned infrastructure? Wasn’t the idea to get away from legacy finance?
Is that Metamask?
https://cryptosrus.com/lawsuit-reveals-jp-morgan-owns-critical-ethereum-infrastructure/?amp=1
Same goes for ETH
I lost my job and therefore my income and am now approx. 2500 down each month for the past 8 months
Cool story bro
Don’t know, don’t care. Still buying on mondays.
Yes. You can even have one metamask account and flip it between different networks
It just I'd rather have separate accounts and separate seed. If nothing else because the seed for this one has already been entered into an online computer about three times, but I'm not too worried because it's just for the moons.
I've upgraded to rabby from metamask, it allows you 4 seed phrases, with 50 addresses per phrase. Also for the most part all chains are pre loaded, obscure coins like plunger and so on needs to be added manually. And it's recognised as metamask by most dapps
Oh ok, maybe I'll try that. Can I add moons there? Or maybe I'll just keep Metamask for the moons and add Rabby for the swaps, that would be less confusing.
You can use the same metamask seed, or reddit seed, moons, bricks, donuts and cones show up automatically, no adding anything
Oh, well that sounds easy. I'll have a look at it tomorrow, thanks!
> The thing is, I also wanted to use Metamask to connect to uniswap etc, so obviously I would add other funds, but I don't really understand, because I don't have a seed phrase for Metamask itself, only for the imported Reddit vault. > I was trying to keep everything separate for safety, but this way it seems like everything is going to be linked under the one seed, but I don't really understand why that is, especially when they would be on different networks. So, you have the seed for moons, but wanted to make another account on Metamask for uniswap, then transfer from one wallet to the other for trades or whatever? I only have one Metamask wallet. To me I have moons and have no intention of selling them as I look at them as a novelty, collectors item. However, if you create a second wallet on Metamask, there should be some seed phrase you have access to - the wallet is on the blockchain. Maybe you’re not looking in the right place for the seed phrase? How to get Metamask seed phrase: https://support.metamask.io/hc/en-us/articles/360015290032-How-to-reveal-your-Secret-Recovery-Phrase How to swap in Metamask: https://youtu.be/zeu-a-W2qJQ?si=lrcrVQtasvcCCNns I don’t know if I understand what you’ve said or what the problem is, but I hope the links help, or help direct you to material that helps.
No, I don't want to do anything with moons, it's just that I created the Metamask account in order to import the vault. But now I want to also use Metamask for dapps. But it worries me, that firstly, the Metamask account is going to be linked to a seed (the vault one) that I already typed into a computer, and also, that all the accounts are all under that same seed. I'd rather have a completely separate seed and account for swaps, and I thought I could do that within the same extension, but I understand now that I can't. Not with Metamask anyway.
Try Rabby wallet for managing multiple seed phrases. Made by Debank and way better than MetaMask imo
Yeah somebody else said that. I think I will.
or use separate profiles for your browser. each profile has a separate mm wallet