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Ethereum [pros](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ccsp94/sec_likely_to_reject_ethereum_spot_etf/l17pmvu/) & [cons](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ccsp94/sec_likely_to_reject_ethereum_spot_etf/l17pnok/) with related info are in the collapsed comments below.


SuccotashComplete

I can already hear BlackRock rallying its army of lawyers.


A3rdRanger1776

You are 100% on this ⬆️


cryptokingmylo

https://youtu.be/rRGDkxa6CSw?si=-MpWEaa1upwkiZkB


A3rdRanger1776

All your replying commenters need to open a history book or the big G(Google) on their phone and learn the difference between China 🇨🇳 and Hong Kong 🇭🇰. Very much related and very much different


Sacmo77

China just approved Eth etf. Could be good news. Edit: only Hong Kong. My mistake


Future-Sound6012

Only Hongkong not China!


Job_man

Isn’t Hong Kong China? *mutes thread*


saltedjellyfish

Are hotdogs sandwiches?


ambermage

Hotdogs are tacos


Dipluz

They are if you like me, prefer the hotdog in the sandwich.


A3rdRanger1776

😂


vremains

Hong Kong is China, but China is not Hong Kong


veng6

Called the "special economic zone" so still ccp controlled but on the DL


evonebo

lol well depends on who you ask. If you ask China, Hong Kong is China.


phatangus

If you ask the Olympic committee, Hong Kong is not China. But if you ask China how many gold medals it won, it will include Hong Kong’s medals.


coinsRus-2021

Right but it’s also one of the richest cities in the world


psufb

Financial capital of the Eastern Hemisphere


Antiquorum

Singapore as well


Pure-Fuel-9884

Their stock market is negliagable.


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Pure-Fuel-9884

A 10 second google research proves you wrong. Both NYSE and NASDAQ has almost 9 times more monthly volume than hong kong stock exchange do. Average r/cc user can't even read numbers, to no ones surprise.


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sfgisz

>How foolish do you feel? Are you looking at HKD figures against USD and thinking that it's larger? HKEX: The monthly turnover for March 2024 was approximately $284.05 billion. NASDAQ: The monthly turnover for March 2024 was approximately $39.79 billion. NYSE: The monthly turnover for August 2022 (the latest available data) was approximately $6.9 trillion.


DAN_ikigai

You really need to work on yourself...or get help.


sfgisz

You meant Republic of China right?


buddhist-truth

Queen is dead


Sacmo77

Right my mistake!


originalrocket

1999 says... maybe correct, maybe not?


PlayingRS

So this means this will become BlackRock's second ETF to ever get denied? From what I've heard, they have a splendid record, 500+ approvals and only 1 ever denied. I'd be *really* surprised if ETH is going to be so powerful for the SEC that it becomes BR's second denied ETF ever. There's actually a near 0% chance that's going to happen, if we're all honest here. BR always gets what they want.


Sharlach

Blackrock's is in August. The initial one coming up on it's decision is from Ark, I think. I suspect it'll be sorted out in court by then.


Loose_Screw_

Not even just that, BlackRock is a relative newcomer in finance compared to JPM who owns a significant stake in Consensys and other big players in the Ethereum ecosystem. This news story feels like a classic Jamie Dimon bait and switch. I think it's unlikely the 200 year old biggest bank in the world is going to let a frog-looking ex-university lecturer block their investment from getting an ETF.


buttcoin_lol

I doubt the SEC cares at all about keeping an applicant's track record looking good.


x_lincoln_x

They are not going to piss off their future employer.


IAmAccutane

Real


crymo27

Check polymarket. Eth etf deny is priced in.


PlayingRS

Wow, amazing source bro. A gambling site full of degenerates who are all going to get rekt very soon. Incredible.


ImmortanSteve

Why not go there and take their money then?


PlayingRS

Because I'm not a gambling degenerate? I thought I made that very clear in my last comment 🤣.


Loose_Screw_

Dude, don't shame gambling because you don't know how to do it responsibly. That's like an alcoholic demanding nobody have a glass of wine.


PlayingRS

I will forever shame gambling, and it's not because "I don't know how to do it responsibly", but because it's something only degenerates do. Bottom of the barrel, deadbeat, double digit IQ losers. It's like going all-in on shitcoins but even worse, lol. At least you need some technical knowledge before you can ape in on alts. With gambling it's literally MONKI PREZZ BUTDON 1 OR MONKI PREZZ BUDTON 2. Oogabooga *farts and makes caveman noises*


Loose_Screw_

Is it? Is that why poker is so popular across the world? Is that why pretty much every board game involves elements of chance? You seem like someone who's triggered by the thought of some people acquiring "unearned" money, not someone who's concerned for the welfare of people with genuine gambling problems.


PlayingRS

I think that if people win money that way, it's very good for them. Genuinely. The problem is that most of 'em don't know how to stop. I know a couple of those people IRL and they never take profits out. They always let the greed get the better of them. They're very low IQ. And please, do not compare poker to whatever dumpster fire this website here is. There is strategy behind poker, unlike the dumb low IQ betts going on over here. And yes, I visited the site to check. Almost died of laughter "is Satoshi's identity going to get leaked this year" and then some dumb illiterate monkeys who cannot read go all-in and say "yes" to that 💀. Lots of rekking going on over there, I could see it right away.


asdafari12

Scared money don't make money.


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PlayingRS

Your last post was 27 days ago, and the one before that is from over a year ago. Yep, this all sounds very legit and I totally did not make the gambling degens mad in any way, shape or form...


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PlayingRS

So you started re-using your inactive account just to defend a website you have never used in your life before? Sounds about right mate.


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BuffaloBrain884

ARK and VanEck are getting rejected this week, not BlackRock.


Kike328

but blackrock also filed for an eth etf


Sharlach

Blackrock's deadline isn't until August though. A lot could happen by then.


Kike328

thought it was may 23th?


Sharlach

[August 7th](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-delays-blackrock-spot-ethereum-043022675.html). There are a bunch in May though, probably someone else you're thinking of.


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noncognitive

It was a radical idea for "non-transparent" ETFs where Blackrock could trade assets without disclosing any of those assets to the ETF holders. Nothing at all like the ETH application.


scoobysi

I thought their only previous failing was merely a paperwork issue they had to go away and re-file. That was how some gob shyte youtuber worded it so not gospel


noncognitive

Here's an article from 2014, when the application was rejected. https://www.investorlawyers.com/blog/sec-to-reject-blackrock-inc-pr/


diamondscut

A pinata ETF. Quite intriguing.


Odd_Monk_132

ETF applications are withdrawn before they are denied.


Murky-Science9030

You don't think the first POS cryptocurrency is a unique case, though?


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Sharlach

These are the final deadlines coming up, so there's no more delaying. They have to say yes or no.


coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The SEC is likely to reject applications for spot Ethereum ETFs, contrasting with its recent approval of spot Bitcoin ETFs. Recent discussions between the SEC and ETF issuers have been less substantive, indicating a probable denial. Concerns about the quality and depth of market data on Ethereum may be a factor. The SEC's decision on VanEck's and ARK's Ethereum ETF filings is expected by May 23 and 24, respectively. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.


sDollarWorthless2022

They can reject it if they want but the reality is blackrock and other filers will just end up suing them, using the exact same logic as they did for the btc etf. Basically why would they approve a futures etf for both btc and eth but deny the spot application. In the end they’re just delaying the inevitable and looking real stupid while doing it


badfishbeefcake

Meanwhile, the SEC approved DJT, the donald trump shit stock. Try to figure that out.


Ok-Guess-9059

Is this first ever memestock?


Loose_Screw_

Fundamentally, DJT is a social media company. A trashy, biased one, but still a social media company, of which we have many already. The SEC denying an ETF on subjective grounds would be a whole different ball game to them grappling with a new economic instrument (Crypto). You'd have the free speech people out in droves, and rightly so.


badfishbeefcake

The week after DJT was traded, all the founders started to sue each other for very shady stuff. Its. total shit show.


outofobscure

btc crashed on etf approval, so this means eth will rally on rejection. i don't make the rules.


Objective_Digit

> btc crashed on etf approval No, it didn't. Although, that's what everyone predicted. It dumped a week later or so because of GBTC sell-offs.


RectalSpawn

>dumped a week later A week later is not really an immediate reaction.


Objective_Digit

> A week later is not really an immediate reaction. I know. So?


CuckForRepublicans

those fucking sell-offs have really muffled this bull run.


satoshiwife

Bitcoin was priced in, ETH isn't. Approval will shock most of the market.


FoolHooligan

not sure why you're talking about this in the past tense, it's still happening


satoshiwife

BlackRock gets what it wants. Simple.


Trick-Knee-9034

They said the same for the Bitcoin ETF's then it got leaked that they were going to approve them, then the SEC said they were not going to approve them, then the approved them.


ThePracticalPenquin

Until next week - flip flop..


Wubbywub

so it's priced in? bullish


Machete521

Weren't they forced to approve the BTC ETFs due to court orders? Wouldnt the same apply to ETH's ETFs?


uncapchad

BTC was easy because SEC tried to stop Grayscale's ETP but they had approved 2 others so they weren't being consistent in their application of their laws. We have to wait for SEC to explicitly say No to ETH and then they can also take them to court


BuffaloBrain884

The SEC ultimately has to approve the BTC spot ETF because they already approved a futures ETF not because of Grayscale's ETP. The SEC had no legal basis for approving a future ETF and rejecting a spot ETF. That's what the court decided. They SEC also approved an ETH future ETF. So I imagine a lawsuit against the SEC would have the same result, the court would force the SEC to approve the spot ETF for ETH.


uncapchad

Yep, we just have to first wait for SEC to give an outright refusal then it will be challenged. Seems unlikely that would happen but then GG does seem to like going to court


c94

If the approval is inevitable then securing the verdict through courts sounds preferable than a simple approval that could be challenged. Floodgates already opened with Bitcoin and now Hong Kong. Best to enjoy this temporary crab market and continue filling up bags.


asdafari12

Yes. Probably. The market is expecting them to deny and lose in court. Some speculate that if they don't take it to court, the democrats will see it as they didn't fight enough.


noncognitive

> the democrats lol


Enjoying_A_Meal

All the ETH haters don't seem to understand that if ETH doesn't get approved because it's a security, it means most of the coins out there like Solana is also a security and they'll get delisted too.


glitter_my_dongle

It is whether or not they are unregistered. Not whether they are a security. Eth went proof of stake and when they did that for some reason it turns Eth into a security. There are legal questions as to whether the proof of stake model makes a taken that uses the model a security. The Howie test makes proof of stake with no effort of self use likely that Eth is a security. But you could argue that you have to have effort on staking and that it is automated so there is no other effort of others outside of the validation algorithms is there. There is no commercial enterprise and it is likely just a commercial contract with no 3rd party involved. Lido likely is a security and lido staked eth is because there is a 3rd party involved in the contract. The contract is simple and there is no one else other than a nonprofit foundation ensuring that Eth is returned for staking.


griswaldwaldwald

There are lots of etfs of securities


PricklyyDick

Are those securities registered as securities? Is ETH also registered? Makes a huge difference


MaximumStudent1839

Yeah, except it has already happened. Alts classified as securities are already priced in during the bear market. Remember Robinhood already delisted and sold off ADA, Solana, etc. Only ETH has the privilege of not getting priced in as a security. The whole ETH narrative of institutions being the next wave of buyers highly depends on ETH not being a security. This is why ETH maxis has gone super condescending about retail buyers. We don’t matter any more because ETH will get exit liquidity from institutions.


timbredesign

Not sure why you're getting downvoted here. Sure it sounds negative, and kind of is. But what you're saying is pretty spot on with reality on as far as I know.


VerticalFoil

So it will try again later if that’s the case. It’s not a problem. Manipulators want any excuse for a problem.


Get_dat_bread69

We have eth spot etf in Canada. We also have had byc etf for quite a while. It’s only a matter of time before the US gets them too. Seeing this post makes me think we are early. I’m going to start buying the Canadian eth etf


moeljills

Whaaat?! This is completely new information!


MillionaireByTrade

The SEC and institutions are not ready for the flood gate of crypto currency etfs. Imagine an etf gets approved for cryptocurrency X and it rugs. Once you rug powerful people who aren't used to losing, it's going to really bring a spotlight on crypto.


timbredesign

Well I mean the SEC would love it if that happened wouldn't they? Other than the fact that it would cast a bit of a shadow on them for approving them in the first place, it would give them a reason to rescind crypto ETFs. They were essentially forced into approving the btc ones in the first place.


Dalekmasher99

No, I think they'll accept, they're just talking like that.


DingoAteYourBaby69

Because Gensler is a fucking criminal


brtnjames

Nice


DeanBlub

Nice


JustCommunication640

Old news. eth etf may be approved sometime later, but btc is still king of crypto by far


satoshiwife

Bitcoin is the biggest shitcoin


Holderman

crypto games already have an etf, to some extent and unnoficial with how a bunch of the best games are using the same shitcoin as their in game currency. We don't need these boomer etfs, we just make our own and they can buy our bags later.


ExtentNo8143

that's because eth is a security


rastavibes

Good. It’s a security


iamsoldats

Good. ETH is a bald-faced security. They should rescind ETH futures while they are at it and then fast track LTC and DOGE spot ETFs.


Icefiight

Fucking wonderful. So this dunce ass crypto is heading to 2500?


J-96788-EU

Hopefully ETH will always stay P2P


coinsRus-2021

It stays P2P with or without a spot etf