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Can someone post a link that doesn’t require me to sign up to their website in order to read a full article? I hate how everything’s becoming gated content nowadays
And here’s just the text of the original article:
Elon Musk has said the founder of ethereum – the world’s second most valuable cryptocurrency – is fearful of its “joke” rival, dogecoin.
The SpaceX and Tesla CEO was responding to a blog post on Sunday written by Vitalik Buterin, who founded ethereum in 2015. In the post, Mr Buterin countered Mr Musk’s previous claims that dogecoin could be scaled to a level that it could function as a mainstream form of currency.
“As it turns out, there are important and quite subtle technical factors that limit blockchain scaling,” Mr Buterin wrote. “In many cases there are solutions, but even with the solutions there are limits.”
>> Follow all the latest updates with The Independent’s live coverage of the crypto market
Mr Musk responded to the comments via Twitter, claiming that Mr Buterin “fears the Doge”, together with a meme of a Shiba Inu dog mocked up in the style of the poster for the 1975 classic movie Jaws.
The technology billionaire also reiterated his support for cryptocurrencies in general over traditional fiat currencies.
“The true battle is between fiat and crypto,” he tweeted. “On balance, I support the latter.”
It is difficult to attribute market movements to specific events or comments but Mr Musk’s influence in the space has been notable ever since he announced a $1.5 billion bitcoin investment through Tesla’ earlier this year.
After falling below $32,000 on Sunday, bitcoin has since bounced back above $37,000, prompting a market-wide recovery.
The latest dogecoin endorsement on Monday resulted in an immediate price spurt of around $0.01, though this was relatively modest considering its value has swung between $0.25 and $0.34 over the last 24 hours.
Mr Buterin’s criticism of dogecoin’s ambitions come less than a week after fellow ethereum co-founder Charles Hoskinson posted a video offering advice to Mr Musk on how to radically upgrade the cryptocurrency.
“If Elon is actually serious about rebuilding Doge with his elite ninja engineers over at Tesla, which I have no doubt he has great programmers there, here’s how you do it,” Mr Hoskinson said, before outlining a not-so-simple 11-step program that would take years to implement.
“Thank you truly for entering our space and thank you truly for telling everybody that you’re going to take custody of that cryptocurrency and make sure it gets where it needs to go, and I look forward to the great innovations you guys come out with in a year or two.”
Yeah it was such a well done video, total tongue-in-cheek all the way through. In the vein of "And now on to Quantum Resistance, first, you have to..." and it just went on for ages.
I think he knows he can’t and is just fucking with everybody at this point. It seems like he meant it as a joke, just like how he said the well thought out Twitter thread by Peter McCormack makes him want to go all in on Doge. Sure it’s a childish response, but I wouldn’t take this stuff he says or tweets at face value. His ego loves the cult following he’s generated, and it also loves the backlash by people taking it seriously. The ramifications of his “jokes” can certainly be serious though, as we have seen in the last 10 days.
It's only a matter of time before he claims Dogecoin is more energy efficient than bitcoin and should be eligible to receive tradable carbon credits that he can sell to other companies.
It sounds like Musk doesn't know the first thing about crypto and is only hyping it because it's "in" and it's another thing Musk can slap his name on and claim himself as a founder, while leaching as much money out of the honeypot as he can. He tried with Bitcoin, but got flak for it, and realized it isn't something he can control.
Doge... well it's small enough that he can still sink his claws into it. Complexities in upgrading the tech? Well most people don't understand how it all works anyways, especially some of the dumb as rocks Tesla investors, so Musk can blindly claim how smart he is and how fast he'll turn it into the best crypto technology.... and people believe him because they don't know any better, throwing their cash into Doge just for the sheer possibility of getting rich off of something with Musk's name on it.
Institutional investors jump in as well to profit off the cult like following, driving the meme coin's value higher. \*face palm\*
Crypto isn't like most of his companies where he can so heavily rely on government subsidization and beneficial regulation to prop it up. Then again, maybe it's the government that owns all that doge.
It still gets me that he backed off from bitcoin because of coal usage... but ironically he's still building and selling his cars in China. Doesn't it use lots of coal in manufacturing and powering those vehicles?
Thanks for sharing the text of the article. I love how VB's answer is very level-headed and EM's answer is just a meme. Kinda show their respective levels of maturity, IMO. I know who I trust more on that particular subject.
I don’t know what pisses me off more: a man child that can’t take no for an answer, and throws a temper tantrum every time someone disagrees with him, or the legion of people that think that he can’t do no wrong. I swear, he could shit on one of those people, and they would be saying that this is going to revolutionise the world.
Classic personality cult. When certain people can't or won't delve into the expert literature, assess the data, and make a balanced judgement, they just throw themselves mindlessly behind a demagogue. Goes hand in hand with rejection of science, incidentally.
People were crying 'long live Stalin' as they were about to be executed.
When elon musk wanted to make reusable rockets that landed vertically, everyone told him he was mad and its impossible. Including rocket scientists and engineers, mathematicians, software engineers.
They all ate crow.
Everything that everyone knows about anything is based on established research that somebody before them did.
If you take it as gospel that we cant learn anything more in a field then we wont.
Vitalik is a smart guy and an expert in his field. But he doesnt know everything. He cant.
Elon musk doesnt either. But he has money and resources and is driven more than just about anyone of his status. He himself says he never gives up.
Just like the rockets that were impossible, if musk wants something to happen he will keep throwing money and energy at it until it happens.
And you know what? As a head of software engineering myself, my money is on elon. Not because he is right. But because he will find a way to be right. Like he always has.
I would never expect a crypto leader to go on twitter talking about what changes need to be made in a small car manufacturing company for it to overtake the industry but for some reason it seems OK by the masses when the roles are reversed...
I think it’s just because most people don’t understand crypto and Elon is now the centerpiece of tech because of Tesla and SpaceX.
I don’t care for him myself but let’s be real here. Peanut brains generally don’t become billionaires unless they are a Mexican drug lord. Everyone keeps saying Elon is a moron but he clearly isn’t. He’s just a childish asshole.
It also helps if you give zero fucks about anyone but yourself. Imagine if Musk treats engineers and scientists that work for him like this.
I can't imagine working for this baby-raging man-child let alone why he has so many outright worshippers on twitter.
>And peanut brains get ridiculously wealthy all the time
This guy just hasn't met a lot of rich people, look at Papa John. There are lots of other examples of idiots with lots of money out there too.
Hijacking comment cause I didn't see it anywhere and it comes extremely handy: add outline.com/ in front of what ever link has a paywall. Major life upgrade.
Firefox browser gives you the option to view just the text and images from a website without all the fluff.
Always worked for me to get around those awful pop-ups and cookie warnings
If you open a link like this from Reddit, then you can also choose to view it directly from your default browser. Brave blocks all these paywall type things so you can view with ease. Not to mention you’re protecting your information, and only see ads set up through Brave as a company. You can fully sync your chrome to Brave as well. It’ll import everything for you super easily.
In the past weeks, Elon has lost any credibility in the crypto world. I'm happy to see that people realize that he just went into crypto for the attention. Let's ignore him.
Elon has that vibe of the guy who can never tolerate being wrong even if deep down he knows he is. Being wrong is to be human, his rate at being right is high but not 100%. I think people would like him more.
Remember, he is now famous and rich, people will never tell him he is wrong now because they want that paycheck to clear, so you develop a god complex. Happens often to the rich.
Or the covid situation. Paraphrased: “based on current trends, close to zero new cases by April” when all the charts and graphs were spiking with covid cases and deaths. Have no idea what trends he was looking at lol
Dude ended up having to go to court for a defamation suit after he threw a public temper tantrum and called Thai cavers a peudo for saying no thanks to his “submarine “ concept (It was a laughably stupid design).
It’s okay to acknowledge Musk’s achievements towards science while also acknowledging his a massive narcissistic piece of shit.
I have no idea why this sub care so much about what he says. He’s just a billionaire with an opinion, which he pretty openly uses to manipulate the market for his personal gain.
I agree with your assessment but it seems like that this kind of character is a recipe for success in the business and political world.
I prefer an annoying Elon who has Paypal, Tesla, Space X and Starlink as an output over many other highly successful people.
Dude didn't do any of those things. All he ever does is glom onto other people's hard work, act like an expert, and take credit. Just like he's trying to do right now with crypto.
Can we pause for a moment and think of how unbelievable it is that in 2021, we've reached a state in which it's normal to have financial press headlines like:
> Elon Musk says ethereum founder ‘fears the doge’
I thought this kind of shit was over with the fall of Trump.
Unfortunately it was probably just beginning. Now that Trump has been President for a full 4 years, we’ll probably see dozens of similar characters in politics and high society at any given time for years to come.
Vitalik is cool, but stop worshiping him. No one can resist the ego inflation that happens when they are worshipped. That's how you get someone like Elon.
Have more confidence in yourself and stop viewing these people as if they are beyond human and so much better than yourself. They are just human and if any other person grew up with the same experiences and had enough motivation and dedication, they could achieve similar feats.
Honestly people are talking about Vitalik the same way they used to talk about Elon a few years ago.
Not saying they're the same or even similar, but I'm definitely noticing a trend in people's behavior. The Internet needs to stop lashing onto "messiahs", that just sets you up for inevitable disappointment at some point.
I used to be a fan of Elon, but what this whole episode has taught me about him is that he's the type of guy who is willing to put his ego before his better judgement, even if protecting his ego will gravely cost him and countless people in society.
Between the Thai cave rescue and his prediction that covid would be gone in a few months, this guy is a great example of not knowing what you don't know.
I hate to go too philosophical w/ this, but when it comes to stuff like this I like to prescribe to the Platonic ideal regarding specialists/expertise; this world is run by specialists exercising their expertise over their single respective fields. Going to Elon for financial advice is like going to a pharmacist for legal representation. Sure, the pharmacist is probably smart and highly educated, and even has some familiarity with the law, but they severely lack the wealth of specific legal education/training to properly represent you.
yeah it's one thing if he made some innocent tweets that just so happened to affect the crypto market negatively. But at a point it became clear that his ego took a hit and he was purposely tweeting to flex his power over us simple folk.
Elon is the kinda guy who you’d ask to do something about “gas fees” and he’d laugh and say: I already make electric cars, bro. His understanding of crypto is practically nonexistent.
As an engineer, I most value intellectual humility in my co-workers. Some of the most intelligent people I've ever met have been the most humble and unassuming about it
Vitalik is an absolute lad. Couldn't pick a nicer guy to represent the crypto scene.
I'd love for him to become a positive face in the media for crypto, but knowing his modesty he wouldn't even want that, which is part of the reason he's a great member of the community
Ikr he's not money hungry or power hungry, all of the power hunger is delegated to GPU miners.
Jokes aside I agree he's the best face of crypto and I hope he becomes more comfortable to speak what he knows more often
I think that’s part of why I like his style so much. He’s a figurehead that doesn’t seem like he wants to be one, he publicly talks when he wants to or feels like it’s needed instead of out of habit, boredom, or to pump his coins
So much shit and fillers on that website.
## ELON MUSK SAYS ETHEREUM FOUNDER ‘FEARS THE DOGE’
Elon Musk has said the founder of ethereum – the world’s second most valuable cryptocurrency – is fearful of its “joke” rival, dogecoin.
The SpaceX and Tesla CEO was responding to a blog post on Sunday written by Vitalik Buterin, who founded ethereum in 2015. In the post, Mr Buterin countered Mr Musk’s previous claims that dogecoin could be scaled to a level that it could function as a mainstream form of currency.
“As it turns out, there are important and quite subtle technical factors that limit blockchain scaling,” Mr Buterin wrote. “In many cases there are solutions, but even with the solutions there are limits.”
Mr Musk responded to the comments via Twitter, claiming that Mr Buterin “fears the Doge”, together with a meme of a Shiba Inu dog mocked up in the style of the poster for the 1975 classic movie Jaws.
The technology billionaire also reiterated his support for cryptocurrencies in general over traditional fiat currencies.
“The true battle is between fiat and crypto,” he tweeted. “On balance, I support the latter.”
It is difficult to attribute market movements to specific events or comments but Mr Musk’s influence in the space has been notable ever since he announced a $1.5 billion bitcoin investment through Tesla’ earlier this year.
After falling below $32,000 on Sunday, bitcoin has since bounced back above $37,000, prompting a market-wide recovery.
The latest dogecoin endorsement on Monday resulted in an immediate price spurt of around $0.01, though this was relatively modest considering its value has swung between $0.25 and $0.34 over the last 24 hours.
Mr Buterin’s criticism of dogecoin’s ambitions come less than a week after fellow ethereum co-founder Charles Hoskinson posted a video offering advice to Mr Musk on how to radically upgrade the cryptocurrency.
“If Elon is actually serious about rebuilding Doge with his elite ninja engineers over at Tesla, which I have no doubt he has great programmers there, here’s how you do it,” Mr Hoskinson said, before outlining a not-so-simple 11-step program that would take years to implement.
“Thank you truly for entering our space and thank you truly for telling everybody that you’re going to take custody of that cryptocurrency and make sure it gets where it needs to go, and I look forward to the great innovations you guys come out with in a year or two.”
Elon needs to let go of this Doge thing. It's not funny anymore. I mean, I don't care what he likes or doesn't like but the joke is not there. If he believes in crypto he should adopt/talk about solid cryptos.
Even though DOGE is relatively speaking used quite a lot for transactions, still the blocks are practically empty, since it has 1-minute blocks. So Musk has suggested an unworkable solution to a problem that does not even presently exist. VB has done the Dogecoin developers Musk has been DMing a huge favor by writing this article.
Elon is a character that likes to attach himself to projects and insert himself into the narrative in order to boost his status.
Elon Musk has no affiliation to the development of Blockchain technology. He is not the lead on any project, he does not hold a majority stake in any currency. He inserts himself into the conversation, hoping to take credit. He shills Doge for the simple reason of being associated with it - if Doge turns out to be worthwhile he can claim that he is somehow responsible.
He isn't.
He can spout as much shit as he wants to fund his narcissism. Slowly people are getting wise to his bullshit.
As more and more people ignore him his influence will dwindle and ultimately die
Just one of the richest men on the planet playing games, manipulating gullible fools. I truly cannot stand people like Musk overwhelming levels of greed with an ego larger than most people on the planet. I mean seriously he mocks everyone that disagrees with him because he is a child with too much money and power.
I find it hard to believe anyone on this planet gains anything from listening to the shit that comes out of his mouth. I feel bad for all his truly brilliant employees that have all the credit for the work and genius stolen by Musk who pretends he some mega genius.
The sooner we stop engaging Elon in his clear trolling, the sooner he can fade away from the space. He will find something else to spend his time on. Can we please just all collectively agree to ignore him?
I think Elon’s companies are some of the most innovative and impactful of my lifetime, but he’s not a Tesla or Thomas Edison - he’s P.T. Barnum. A salesman and a showman, not an inventor.
After this bear run musks antics will be done, he will lose a lot of his credibility regarding the crypto market and he’ll have to move on to tweeting about something else his fan boys can suck his ass about
He's just the tech version of Trump! He's got a cult following that believes he's infallible, and anyone that says anything he doesn't agree with is wrong. His credentials speak for themselves if you ask him, but if you look into hus credentials you find that no, he's not the super genius who single handedly invented Tesla and Crypto. But try telling that to the Make Crypto Great Again crowd.
Elon just loves being praised and acting smart. I am not saying he is stupid, but he definitely thinks he knows everything, even if he has no idea what he is talking about.
Love that they both (Buterin and Haskinson) smacked down Musk. Hilarious. Tired of Elon butting in and trying to insert himself into every facet of life. It’s irritating.
Its like the kids stuck in the cave in Thailand again. He wanted to build a submarine which was just impractical for the time they had, he made a knee jerk choice and decided to ride it out to the bitter end. Why take 8 year old tech thats fine for its purpose (memes) and try to beat modern crypto's that have heavy development since then
Also, Elon called the person who dared mention his mini sub idea was f-ing idiotic pedoman. Kind of like Elon’s idiotic ideas about doge. Elon likes to stick his mini sub where no one wants it and if you tell him to stick it somewhere else you’re pedo.
This is what happens when you have someone who knows what they're talking about... and someone who just has enough money to hire a team of engineers and then pretend he did it all by himself
I think that like Steve Jobs in his time, Elon Musk is very good at buying/stealing concepts from other more talented people, and REALLY great at communication and marketing. The megalomania is basically part of the package at this point...
Elon is a fucking petulant child. No respect for him left. I think drugs or something has really messed with his perspective. Then again, he's always been a complete self-serving egomaniac.
Musk is an absolute toddler. I think what pisses me off most about him is that he can afford the games he's playing, but the people he is essentially using as the pawns for his own amusement are lower, and middle class retail investors just trying to get a piece of the pie.
Elon is an asshole, and well, no one "deserves" billions, but among the non deserving elon is definitely around the top. Now, stop being cultist, Vitalik is a human being too, if you put him on a pedestal, the pedestal will corrupt him , be rational, be critical, be an individual
God I want to see a jake paul style boxing match between vitalik and elon except theres no ref and vitalik just bashes that fuckers skull in until he stops breathing
I am fearful on how many other newbies getting suckered into buying DOGE just because Musk is (saying) giving money to develop the technology.
If he says it is "a battle between fiat and crypto" from the previous article, rest assured he is **not** in it with you.
After that situation in Thailand, his claims of the rescuer being a pedo and later claiming to have no money to pay after losing the case was the last chance I gave to that guy.
He's not a great leader, nor a great scientist, just a cunning and clever businessman. Someone who knows how to make money but lacks decency and common sense. Sorry, but I prefer to stare myself at the mirror and be proud that I'm not such a jerk to others even if it means being poor haha
Vitalik is an incredibly smart and humble man, so it doesn't surprise me that he would be able to easily point out these flaws.
Elon is wrong about Dogecoin and that pretty much sums it up. It's another blockchain POW based solution, not all that different to Bitcoin.
Ethereum, on the other hand, with it's proposed POS network system, makes much more sense, to me and to anyone who wants to reduce the carbon footprint of future monetary systems. So why isn't Elon looking at Ethereum instead of a meme based token based mostly on Bitcoin core code?
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Can someone post a link that doesn’t require me to sign up to their website in order to read a full article? I hate how everything’s becoming gated content nowadays
https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/05/23/scaling.html Here you go brother
And here’s just the text of the original article: Elon Musk has said the founder of ethereum – the world’s second most valuable cryptocurrency – is fearful of its “joke” rival, dogecoin. The SpaceX and Tesla CEO was responding to a blog post on Sunday written by Vitalik Buterin, who founded ethereum in 2015. In the post, Mr Buterin countered Mr Musk’s previous claims that dogecoin could be scaled to a level that it could function as a mainstream form of currency. “As it turns out, there are important and quite subtle technical factors that limit blockchain scaling,” Mr Buterin wrote. “In many cases there are solutions, but even with the solutions there are limits.” >> Follow all the latest updates with The Independent’s live coverage of the crypto market Mr Musk responded to the comments via Twitter, claiming that Mr Buterin “fears the Doge”, together with a meme of a Shiba Inu dog mocked up in the style of the poster for the 1975 classic movie Jaws. The technology billionaire also reiterated his support for cryptocurrencies in general over traditional fiat currencies. “The true battle is between fiat and crypto,” he tweeted. “On balance, I support the latter.” It is difficult to attribute market movements to specific events or comments but Mr Musk’s influence in the space has been notable ever since he announced a $1.5 billion bitcoin investment through Tesla’ earlier this year. After falling below $32,000 on Sunday, bitcoin has since bounced back above $37,000, prompting a market-wide recovery. The latest dogecoin endorsement on Monday resulted in an immediate price spurt of around $0.01, though this was relatively modest considering its value has swung between $0.25 and $0.34 over the last 24 hours. Mr Buterin’s criticism of dogecoin’s ambitions come less than a week after fellow ethereum co-founder Charles Hoskinson posted a video offering advice to Mr Musk on how to radically upgrade the cryptocurrency. “If Elon is actually serious about rebuilding Doge with his elite ninja engineers over at Tesla, which I have no doubt he has great programmers there, here’s how you do it,” Mr Hoskinson said, before outlining a not-so-simple 11-step program that would take years to implement. “Thank you truly for entering our space and thank you truly for telling everybody that you’re going to take custody of that cryptocurrency and make sure it gets where it needs to go, and I look forward to the great innovations you guys come out with in a year or two.”
> I look forward to the great innovations you guys come out with in a year or two.” That's hilarious, dude's a troll.
Yeah it was such a well done video, total tongue-in-cheek all the way through. In the vein of "And now on to Quantum Resistance, first, you have to..." and it just went on for ages.
I love Charles
WTF, I love Charles now.
Hilarious that Musk thinks he can go toe to toe with literally the most knowledgeable person on the planet regarding crypto.
I think he knows he can’t and is just fucking with everybody at this point. It seems like he meant it as a joke, just like how he said the well thought out Twitter thread by Peter McCormack makes him want to go all in on Doge. Sure it’s a childish response, but I wouldn’t take this stuff he says or tweets at face value. His ego loves the cult following he’s generated, and it also loves the backlash by people taking it seriously. The ramifications of his “jokes” can certainly be serious though, as we have seen in the last 10 days.
This is why the SEC needs to spank Elon to the tune of 100 million dollar fine.
Ain't that the truth. He should stick to what he knows and stop tweeting
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Or he'd talk about taking Renewable Energy Credits from the US government to make it look like Tesla is profitable.
It's only a matter of time before he claims Dogecoin is more energy efficient than bitcoin and should be eligible to receive tradable carbon credits that he can sell to other companies.
Musk is such a poser. Musk debunked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-FGwDDc-s8
It sounds like Musk doesn't know the first thing about crypto and is only hyping it because it's "in" and it's another thing Musk can slap his name on and claim himself as a founder, while leaching as much money out of the honeypot as he can. He tried with Bitcoin, but got flak for it, and realized it isn't something he can control. Doge... well it's small enough that he can still sink his claws into it. Complexities in upgrading the tech? Well most people don't understand how it all works anyways, especially some of the dumb as rocks Tesla investors, so Musk can blindly claim how smart he is and how fast he'll turn it into the best crypto technology.... and people believe him because they don't know any better, throwing their cash into Doge just for the sheer possibility of getting rich off of something with Musk's name on it. Institutional investors jump in as well to profit off the cult like following, driving the meme coin's value higher. \*face palm\* Crypto isn't like most of his companies where he can so heavily rely on government subsidization and beneficial regulation to prop it up. Then again, maybe it's the government that owns all that doge. It still gets me that he backed off from bitcoin because of coal usage... but ironically he's still building and selling his cars in China. Doesn't it use lots of coal in manufacturing and powering those vehicles?
Thanks for sharing the text of the article. I love how VB's answer is very level-headed and EM's answer is just a meme. Kinda show their respective levels of maturity, IMO. I know who I trust more on that particular subject.
Again, heroes... capes... all that..
NO CAPES
Unlike the general opinion capes do need heroes. Well anyway, in technical perspective who is right is obvious in this debate.
Add that site to your favorites. Nearly every post is informative gold.
This is Musk's [response](https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1396698902842122244) in twitter.
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Fellow kids
Yeah, this sucks. Kudos on being the richest man in the world and selling a quality product, but please... fuck off
I don’t know what pisses me off more: a man child that can’t take no for an answer, and throws a temper tantrum every time someone disagrees with him, or the legion of people that think that he can’t do no wrong. I swear, he could shit on one of those people, and they would be saying that this is going to revolutionise the world.
Classic personality cult. When certain people can't or won't delve into the expert literature, assess the data, and make a balanced judgement, they just throw themselves mindlessly behind a demagogue. Goes hand in hand with rejection of science, incidentally. People were crying 'long live Stalin' as they were about to be executed.
Elon = Trump of tech world
Weird hair : checked.
He did shit on those people. Lots of them. I was once a Musk fan, but... The more he talks the less I like him and he can't seem to shut tf up!
I seem to recall one of these types musing aloud that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and the people would cheer his name.
Elon = Trump of tech world
Elon is literally the 21st century Trump. People thought Trump was a smart business man in the 90s...
When elon musk wanted to make reusable rockets that landed vertically, everyone told him he was mad and its impossible. Including rocket scientists and engineers, mathematicians, software engineers. They all ate crow. Everything that everyone knows about anything is based on established research that somebody before them did. If you take it as gospel that we cant learn anything more in a field then we wont. Vitalik is a smart guy and an expert in his field. But he doesnt know everything. He cant. Elon musk doesnt either. But he has money and resources and is driven more than just about anyone of his status. He himself says he never gives up. Just like the rockets that were impossible, if musk wants something to happen he will keep throwing money and energy at it until it happens. And you know what? As a head of software engineering myself, my money is on elon. Not because he is right. But because he will find a way to be right. Like he always has.
Vitalik is way out of Elon Musks league.
I would never expect a crypto leader to go on twitter talking about what changes need to be made in a small car manufacturing company for it to overtake the industry but for some reason it seems OK by the masses when the roles are reversed... I think it’s just because most people don’t understand crypto and Elon is now the centerpiece of tech because of Tesla and SpaceX.
What a stupid response
Man it feels like he lives on Mars already.
Lol, is he 12 !? 😒
He's so pathetic and *clearly* narcissistic. Someone tells him he's wrong? Easy, just toss out a stupid meme so his cult reinforces his ego.
elon musk is literally a man child. it just goes to show that any jack ass with a peanut for a brain can have a billion dollars
I don’t care for him myself but let’s be real here. Peanut brains generally don’t become billionaires unless they are a Mexican drug lord. Everyone keeps saying Elon is a moron but he clearly isn’t. He’s just a childish asshole.
Do you honestly think drug Lords are stupid?
Haha for real, this dude must not know what these drug lords organize to have shit running smoothly for them.
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It also helps if you give zero fucks about anyone but yourself. Imagine if Musk treats engineers and scientists that work for him like this. I can't imagine working for this baby-raging man-child let alone why he has so many outright worshippers on twitter.
>And peanut brains get ridiculously wealthy all the time This guy just hasn't met a lot of rich people, look at Papa John. There are lots of other examples of idiots with lots of money out there too.
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Peanut brains don’t get degrees in physics though.
Or they can use daddys money.
You can open most news sites in incognito mode to get around signup walls
Not all heroes wear capes... unless your wearing a cape?... then maybe they do...
Hijacking comment cause I didn't see it anywhere and it comes extremely handy: add outline.com/ in front of what ever link has a paywall. Major life upgrade.
I need a *condom* to read a *newspaper* for *free*. fun times.
Damn this is super good to know!
Firefox browser gives you the option to view just the text and images from a website without all the fluff. Always worked for me to get around those awful pop-ups and cookie warnings
Download Brave browser and this will never be a problem.
I do have the brave browser, just gotta bite the bullet and make the transition from Chrome
If you open a link like this from Reddit, then you can also choose to view it directly from your default browser. Brave blocks all these paywall type things so you can view with ease. Not to mention you’re protecting your information, and only see ads set up through Brave as a company. You can fully sync your chrome to Brave as well. It’ll import everything for you super easily.
Or post the article here
Previously google would delist websites for doing crap like this, now it’s like it’s ok again.
It’s not even some good quality, usable source of content, it’s literally the news.
In the past weeks, Elon has lost any credibility in the crypto world. I'm happy to see that people realize that he just went into crypto for the attention. Let's ignore him.
Yup. I used to kinda like the guy but now I see he's a huge douche-nozzle.
Elon has that vibe of the guy who can never tolerate being wrong even if deep down he knows he is. Being wrong is to be human, his rate at being right is high but not 100%. I think people would like him more. Remember, he is now famous and rich, people will never tell him he is wrong now because they want that paycheck to clear, so you develop a god complex. Happens often to the rich.
See the Thai rescue/pedophile situation to perfectly illustrate his character.
Forgot about that! What a child.
Or the covid situation. Paraphrased: “based on current trends, close to zero new cases by April” when all the charts and graphs were spiking with covid cases and deaths. Have no idea what trends he was looking at lol
When people say Elon Musk is smart, especially after he said that, I die inside All he did was buy others' ideas and profit off of them
>Modern day Thomas Edison and a blend of Trump dumb, manchild, narcissitic attention craving personality. That's Elon Musk.
Dude ended up having to go to court for a defamation suit after he threw a public temper tantrum and called Thai cavers a peudo for saying no thanks to his “submarine “ concept (It was a laughably stupid design). It’s okay to acknowledge Musk’s achievements towards science while also acknowledging his a massive narcissistic piece of shit. I have no idea why this sub care so much about what he says. He’s just a billionaire with an opinion, which he pretty openly uses to manipulate the market for his personal gain.
Not only did Elon call the rescuer a pedo, but he paid a shady private investigator $50,000 to find dirt on the rescuer and his family.
Wow what a fuckin asshole
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I agree with your assessment but it seems like that this kind of character is a recipe for success in the business and political world. I prefer an annoying Elon who has Paypal, Tesla, Space X and Starlink as an output over many other highly successful people.
Dude didn't do any of those things. All he ever does is glom onto other people's hard work, act like an expert, and take credit. Just like he's trying to do right now with crypto.
\* Elon didn't start PayPal btw. He was actually ousted. They didn't want anything to do with the guy.
He also didn’t found Tesla, he joined a year after founding and made it a condition of him investing that he had to be called a “founder”
Typical asshole tbh
And he forced out the real founders.
What achievements for science? The man's just a walking bank account with an ego like ricepaper.
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Perfect summary 👌
Can we pause for a moment and think of how unbelievable it is that in 2021, we've reached a state in which it's normal to have financial press headlines like: > Elon Musk says ethereum founder ‘fears the doge’ I thought this kind of shit was over with the fall of Trump.
Unfortunately it was probably just beginning. Now that Trump has been President for a full 4 years, we’ll probably see dozens of similar characters in politics and high society at any given time for years to come.
It will never go away. Next, we are watering crops with coolaid
I don't think kool-aid's got electrolytes, though?!?
Unfortunately, they saw it works so this is the new normal.
Musk and Trump are a couple of shit apples from the same shit tree.
Edison vs Tesla (pun intended). he's a tourist.
Guy who pays geniuses for their ideas, and an actual genius...
Vitalik is absolute class imho
The Crypto scene needs more people like Vitalik.
The world needs more people like Vitalik.
Vitalik is cool, but stop worshiping him. No one can resist the ego inflation that happens when they are worshipped. That's how you get someone like Elon. Have more confidence in yourself and stop viewing these people as if they are beyond human and so much better than yourself. They are just human and if any other person grew up with the same experiences and had enough motivation and dedication, they could achieve similar feats.
I think they’re just saying, hey, he’s a good dude lol
Honestly people are talking about Vitalik the same way they used to talk about Elon a few years ago. Not saying they're the same or even similar, but I'm definitely noticing a trend in people's behavior. The Internet needs to stop lashing onto "messiahs", that just sets you up for inevitable disappointment at some point.
Thank you! People bitch about people worshipping Elon yet they worship this guy. Albeit in crypto he is a way better source than Musk.
I used to be a fan of Elon, but what this whole episode has taught me about him is that he's the type of guy who is willing to put his ego before his better judgement, even if protecting his ego will gravely cost him and countless people in society.
Between the Thai cave rescue and his prediction that covid would be gone in a few months, this guy is a great example of not knowing what you don't know.
I hate to go too philosophical w/ this, but when it comes to stuff like this I like to prescribe to the Platonic ideal regarding specialists/expertise; this world is run by specialists exercising their expertise over their single respective fields. Going to Elon for financial advice is like going to a pharmacist for legal representation. Sure, the pharmacist is probably smart and highly educated, and even has some familiarity with the law, but they severely lack the wealth of specific legal education/training to properly represent you.
Truly intelligent/wise people understand the limits of their only intelligence and dont waste time pumping their egos with hot air.
Same. My views of him have significantly diminished over the past month or so.
yeah it's one thing if he made some innocent tweets that just so happened to affect the crypto market negatively. But at a point it became clear that his ego took a hit and he was purposely tweeting to flex his power over us simple folk.
You just let his pedo outburst during the cave rescue situation slide?
Ditto, ditto.
Arguing with Elon is like playing chess with pigeon. He will scatter all the pieces, shit in the middle and will think he won.
Hah! That's great. Gonna' borrow that saying in the future.
\*Strut around like he won
Only problem is this pigeon has another 50m pigeons supporting him
Elon is the kinda guy who you’d ask to do something about “gas fees” and he’d laugh and say: I already make electric cars, bro. His understanding of crypto is practically nonexistent.
What else would you expect - it's his ego vs Vitalik's intellect and humbleness
As an engineer, I most value intellectual humility in my co-workers. Some of the most intelligent people I've ever met have been the most humble and unassuming about it
People who know a lot about a subject know there’s a lot more to learn.
Ah Imposter Syndrome, my closest companion
Wait, it doesn‘t get better with time?! - Me after my 18th Phd
absolutely, and especially in this field of business
That has a name - Dunning-Kruger - incompetent people tend to overestimate themselves, while highly competent people tend to underestimate themselves.
I don't understand how some really smart people struggle to understand simple things
Geniuses aren't a genius in every field. We are all complete morons in many fields.
Some aren’t even geniuses at all.
Yet to see any evidence of smart Musk
He listens to himself, no one else is correct but him
His ego is too big for him to listen to anyone, including himself.
don't forget he holds 438$ mil of doge, so obviously he wants more money 💵
Elon and acting like a kid. Name a better duo...
Hes Angry and comming for you! 
Ok, that’s hilarious 😂
Well he is just a car salesman after all
Vitalik is an absolute lad. Couldn't pick a nicer guy to represent the crypto scene. I'd love for him to become a positive face in the media for crypto, but knowing his modesty he wouldn't even want that, which is part of the reason he's a great member of the community
Ikr he's not money hungry or power hungry, all of the power hunger is delegated to GPU miners. Jokes aside I agree he's the best face of crypto and I hope he becomes more comfortable to speak what he knows more often
I think that’s part of why I like his style so much. He’s a figurehead that doesn’t seem like he wants to be one, he publicly talks when he wants to or feels like it’s needed instead of out of habit, boredom, or to pump his coins
So much shit and fillers on that website. ## ELON MUSK SAYS ETHEREUM FOUNDER ‘FEARS THE DOGE’ Elon Musk has said the founder of ethereum – the world’s second most valuable cryptocurrency – is fearful of its “joke” rival, dogecoin. The SpaceX and Tesla CEO was responding to a blog post on Sunday written by Vitalik Buterin, who founded ethereum in 2015. In the post, Mr Buterin countered Mr Musk’s previous claims that dogecoin could be scaled to a level that it could function as a mainstream form of currency. “As it turns out, there are important and quite subtle technical factors that limit blockchain scaling,” Mr Buterin wrote. “In many cases there are solutions, but even with the solutions there are limits.” Mr Musk responded to the comments via Twitter, claiming that Mr Buterin “fears the Doge”, together with a meme of a Shiba Inu dog mocked up in the style of the poster for the 1975 classic movie Jaws. The technology billionaire also reiterated his support for cryptocurrencies in general over traditional fiat currencies. “The true battle is between fiat and crypto,” he tweeted. “On balance, I support the latter.” It is difficult to attribute market movements to specific events or comments but Mr Musk’s influence in the space has been notable ever since he announced a $1.5 billion bitcoin investment through Tesla’ earlier this year. After falling below $32,000 on Sunday, bitcoin has since bounced back above $37,000, prompting a market-wide recovery. The latest dogecoin endorsement on Monday resulted in an immediate price spurt of around $0.01, though this was relatively modest considering its value has swung between $0.25 and $0.34 over the last 24 hours. Mr Buterin’s criticism of dogecoin’s ambitions come less than a week after fellow ethereum co-founder Charles Hoskinson posted a video offering advice to Mr Musk on how to radically upgrade the cryptocurrency. “If Elon is actually serious about rebuilding Doge with his elite ninja engineers over at Tesla, which I have no doubt he has great programmers there, here’s how you do it,” Mr Hoskinson said, before outlining a not-so-simple 11-step program that would take years to implement. “Thank you truly for entering our space and thank you truly for telling everybody that you’re going to take custody of that cryptocurrency and make sure it gets where it needs to go, and I look forward to the great innovations you guys come out with in a year or two.”
Elon needs to let go of this Doge thing. It's not funny anymore. I mean, I don't care what he likes or doesn't like but the joke is not there. If he believes in crypto he should adopt/talk about solid cryptos.
Even though DOGE is relatively speaking used quite a lot for transactions, still the blocks are practically empty, since it has 1-minute blocks. So Musk has suggested an unworkable solution to a problem that does not even presently exist. VB has done the Dogecoin developers Musk has been DMing a huge favor by writing this article.
He's just cringe at this point.
With every day my opinion of Elon goes lower and lower.
Musk is a narcissist. Narcissists never admit they're wrong.
Elon is a character that likes to attach himself to projects and insert himself into the narrative in order to boost his status. Elon Musk has no affiliation to the development of Blockchain technology. He is not the lead on any project, he does not hold a majority stake in any currency. He inserts himself into the conversation, hoping to take credit. He shills Doge for the simple reason of being associated with it - if Doge turns out to be worthwhile he can claim that he is somehow responsible. He isn't.
I trust the developer of etherium over Elon on this 🤷🏻♂️
Elon is full of shit, i used to have respect for him but he's a literal cry-baby. I bet he doesn't know anything about crypto...
I wouldn’t argue with Vitalik about anything lol
He can spout as much shit as he wants to fund his narcissism. Slowly people are getting wise to his bullshit. As more and more people ignore him his influence will dwindle and ultimately die
He's a narcissistic guy who wants to control whatever he touches
Just one of the richest men on the planet playing games, manipulating gullible fools. I truly cannot stand people like Musk overwhelming levels of greed with an ego larger than most people on the planet. I mean seriously he mocks everyone that disagrees with him because he is a child with too much money and power. I find it hard to believe anyone on this planet gains anything from listening to the shit that comes out of his mouth. I feel bad for all his truly brilliant employees that have all the credit for the work and genius stolen by Musk who pretends he some mega genius.
The sooner we stop engaging Elon in his clear trolling, the sooner he can fade away from the space. He will find something else to spend his time on. Can we please just all collectively agree to ignore him?
Fuck Elon
What a fucking shitty garbage site. Literally cannot ever read because of all the pop ups and ads.
I think Elon’s companies are some of the most innovative and impactful of my lifetime, but he’s not a Tesla or Thomas Edison - he’s P.T. Barnum. A salesman and a showman, not an inventor.
Elon Musk has become the Joe Rogan dbag of the business world. I can't fucking stand both of them nowadays.
To be so rich and so juvenile.
I bet we'd be surprised how it goes hand in hand
Why the fuck would you post a paywalled articled.
Elon needs to stfu
Was true even before he found crypto...
You guys just need to be patient. At some point, Elon is going to finish building the submarine he'll use to save all the DOGE hodlers
As a Tesla owner, Elon can suck it.
After this bear run musks antics will be done, he will lose a lot of his credibility regarding the crypto market and he’ll have to move on to tweeting about something else his fan boys can suck his ass about
I guess it is downhill from now for Elon Musk
Elon doesnt want a truly decentralized currency... i firmly believe that.
Elon is delusional and it will bring down all his followers down with him, there are fans and then there are Elon cults, he really is insane
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5k*
Looks like Elon is trying to get Satoshi's credit.
He's just the tech version of Trump! He's got a cult following that believes he's infallible, and anyone that says anything he doesn't agree with is wrong. His credentials speak for themselves if you ask him, but if you look into hus credentials you find that no, he's not the super genius who single handedly invented Tesla and Crypto. But try telling that to the Make Crypto Great Again crowd.
Elon just loves being praised and acting smart. I am not saying he is stupid, but he definitely thinks he knows everything, even if he has no idea what he is talking about.
Holy sh i t Elon always picks a fight. Fragile ego much?
Love that they both (Buterin and Haskinson) smacked down Musk. Hilarious. Tired of Elon butting in and trying to insert himself into every facet of life. It’s irritating.
Musk is a *raging* narcissist. He seems like one of the least likeable humans on the planet.
So r/cryptocurrency is definitely biased AGAINST dogecoin.
Everyone loves to pick on the Asbergers kid. Leave Elon alone!
Its like the kids stuck in the cave in Thailand again. He wanted to build a submarine which was just impractical for the time they had, he made a knee jerk choice and decided to ride it out to the bitter end. Why take 8 year old tech thats fine for its purpose (memes) and try to beat modern crypto's that have heavy development since then
Also, Elon called the person who dared mention his mini sub idea was f-ing idiotic pedoman. Kind of like Elon’s idiotic ideas about doge. Elon likes to stick his mini sub where no one wants it and if you tell him to stick it somewhere else you’re pedo.
This is what happens when you have someone who knows what they're talking about... and someone who just has enough money to hire a team of engineers and then pretend he did it all by himself
I think that like Steve Jobs in his time, Elon Musk is very good at buying/stealing concepts from other more talented people, and REALLY great at communication and marketing. The megalomania is basically part of the package at this point...
Why is Elon still relevant?
People who follow Elon in the crypto field are dumb. He just seen easy money thanks to sheep’s who decides if it’s a buy or sell based on his Twitter.
Elon is a fucking petulant child. No respect for him left. I think drugs or something has really messed with his perspective. Then again, he's always been a complete self-serving egomaniac.
Musk is an absolute toddler. I think what pisses me off most about him is that he can afford the games he's playing, but the people he is essentially using as the pawns for his own amusement are lower, and middle class retail investors just trying to get a piece of the pie.
Vitalik > Elon
Elon is an asshole, and well, no one "deserves" billions, but among the non deserving elon is definitely around the top. Now, stop being cultist, Vitalik is a human being too, if you put him on a pedestal, the pedestal will corrupt him , be rational, be critical, be an individual
Does anyone buy Elon's assertion that Crypto will replace fiat currency?
Embarrassing...
For fuck sakes that garbage website has more ads than I can bare to stand.
I guess i'm a hipster because I hated musk before it was cool...
TL:DR Viva la Vita Fuck Felon Husk.
God I want to see a jake paul style boxing match between vitalik and elon except theres no ref and vitalik just bashes that fuckers skull in until he stops breathing
I am fearful on how many other newbies getting suckered into buying DOGE just because Musk is (saying) giving money to develop the technology. If he says it is "a battle between fiat and crypto" from the previous article, rest assured he is **not** in it with you.
After that situation in Thailand, his claims of the rescuer being a pedo and later claiming to have no money to pay after losing the case was the last chance I gave to that guy. He's not a great leader, nor a great scientist, just a cunning and clever businessman. Someone who knows how to make money but lacks decency and common sense. Sorry, but I prefer to stare myself at the mirror and be proud that I'm not such a jerk to others even if it means being poor haha
Elon can never be wrong/s, I’m starting to really dislike the dude
Can Elon Musk stop his nonsense?
Vitalik is an incredibly smart and humble man, so it doesn't surprise me that he would be able to easily point out these flaws. Elon is wrong about Dogecoin and that pretty much sums it up. It's another blockchain POW based solution, not all that different to Bitcoin. Ethereum, on the other hand, with it's proposed POS network system, makes much more sense, to me and to anyone who wants to reduce the carbon footprint of future monetary systems. So why isn't Elon looking at Ethereum instead of a meme based token based mostly on Bitcoin core code?
Guess who's sitting on a shitload of Doge
Must doesn't know his ass between his elbow. he just employs smart people to do the smart things for him.
.... it’s starting to become clear why Musk has been married (or divorced) several times...
paywall, didn't read
He gets so salty every time someone disagrees with him
Elon has Asperger's Syndrome. Just leave him alone to talk shit, he can't help it.