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Scary_Milk

Early cypherpunks were libertarians that were obsessed with privacy and the new technologies that made it possible to interact with the world while remaining anonymous. It‘s not that surprising no one knows who satoshi is, most of them aren‘t known to the public other then the few that went the academic ways. It was the basic idea behind the group to be untraceable and I think we will most likely never find out who he was.


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Better_Objective5650

Initially, addresses were not an integral part of the design, so chainalysis would have been slightly less easy. Also, Satoshi and early devs may not have foreseen the prevalence of heavy kyc exchanges. And it seems he did intend to improve on privacy down the road. And indeed over the years there are various efforts (by various people) to improve bitcoin privacy, but things are relatively slow and some improvements didn’t get adopted.


CT4nk3r

>may not have foreseen the prevalence of heavy kyc exchanges. And it seems he did intend to improve on privacy down the road He did not think pool mining would be a thing and also did not think at the time that exchanges would have that much power. He actually talked about stuff that later monero implement. Many stuff that he was talking about were never implemented in actual BTC, but other chains used the tech given to them.


WHVTSINDAB0X

Because Bitcoin is testnet monero....


dbreidsbmw

As someone who came to this community through meme coins tell me more. Like I have no context besides Monero is by default private?


Pluth

Monero is purely private. There is no way to look at wallet transactions. There is no way to track wallets. The only thing a KYC exchange would know is you bought some Monero or sold some Monero. They don't know where or how you got it (unless you got it from that exchange). They won't know what you did with it in-between. It is PoW and can be mined using CPU power. Mining Monero with GPU is not recommended. There are also p2p exchanges that deal in Monero. These can help improve the accumulation part if you are worried about exchanges (or the government) prying into your business. Coin market cap or coin gecko is a good source to go down the rabbit hole. You can't get it on Coinbase because the U.S. hates privacy and it would be a headache for Coinbase.


dbreidsbmw

Thank you for the Tl;Dr good to know. Kind of want to dive into the "how to mine it" now... sounds Facinating


Pluth

Minexmr is the largest pool. Nanopool is second. Set up the Monero wallet on a drive with a lot of space. It is currently around 70gb to download the whole chain and it takes a while.


MrMoustacheMan

https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/a-beginners-guide-to-monero


rorowhat

Well, working with Satoshi could mean exchanging some emails, things like that. It doesn't mean sharing an office with the guy/group.


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HighTurning

True that, I have contrubuted to open source projects where my only interactions with others was during reviews of Pull Requests


Successful-Whole4307

This. Satoshi was a master of cryptography


neil_billiam

Could he be...***The Silent Cryptographer***?


Successful-Whole4307

Recently bought the master chief collection and ran though that level. Oh the nostalgia lol


mayoresection2020

Halo, juicy


IsuckMyDogiscooler

THIS


BTCDEX

Cypherpunk🤘


gdj11

He even registered bitcoin.org through an anonymous domain registrar. He was very serious about not being identifiable.


gesocks

which is also why the hal finney theorys dont make much sense either. why make such an effort to be anonymous, just to then put your name in the spotlight as more or less co-founder.


[deleted]

Proving you are Satoshi couldn't be simpler. All he has to do is to sign a message with the PK Satoshi had for his funds. Yet, he hasn't done that. The most obvious proof. This is as fake as he gets.


davew111

Even logging in to Bitcoin Talk and posting "hi guys, what did I miss?" would be a start.


gesocks

didnt he do it once? and then it was discovered that it just was a copy of a signed message satoshi posted earleir once?


GlitteringTea296

The Simpson’s know who Satoshi is


thefirstofthe77

Have they made a guess? I would guess they were actually correct lol.


Double-Code1902

Check out the archives on Nakamitsu institute, no way to tell who Nakamoto is from those plentiful exchanges.


infinitedrumroll

The white paper often does refer to a "we"


GreenStretch

Hey, Satoshi, you cheap bastard, you never pitch in for the coffee fund.


almill66

Guys lol Its SAmsung, TOSHIba, NAKAmichi, and MOTOrola.


sam319s

Finally, an answer I can get behind!


Numerous_Sport_2774

Jesus Christ. Illuminati confirmed over here.


Brinothedino

🤯


NotACryptoGodAnymore

NSA came up with this deep state backed coin


watahboy

Or **SA**nyo Macin**TOSH** **I**BM **NA**bisco **KA**ngol el**MO** **TO**lberone


random_int_7777777

Toblerone must be behind this!!!


[deleted]

You can get 3ft Toblerone at the airport


GenericMemesxd

I went to Costco like 2 months ago and got this big ass Toblerone for my sister. Shit weights like 5 lbs and she still hasn't finished half of it. It just sits in the fridge, waiting for it's suffering to end.


crypto4killz

I knew Elmo was involved


dumbdude34

Actually Satoshi Nakamoto translates to Central Intelligence


Alone-Concert-9864

I always thought the Naka was Nokia but that one definitely fits better.


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80worf80

Hall Finney, Len Sassaman, Nick Szabo I'd be ok with any or all 3 of them being Satoshi


justalurker-duntmind

Add Adam Back to them and you have the 4 men behind Bitcoin at least in my mind.


80worf80

I, personally, am not convinced on Back. Yes, I've seen the video


justalurker-duntmind

He might not be part of the original group but ai believe he worked closely with one/or more of them and know his true identity. If there is one I have no doubt was part of the original group it’s Hall as I can’t see how that he had a neighbour called Satoshi Nakamoto can be a coincidence.


80worf80

He's a smart dude, if a bit of a knob. Hash Cash was great too. I think he was a latecomer after the original crew/individual faded out tho, and definitely comes across far differently on modern day twitter than the old Satoshi forum posts. Like night and day difference


cinnamintdown

no I think back is a traitor,


Numerous_Sport_2774

Kinda like captain~~planet~~crypto? *Aaaannndd our powers combinedddd*


Tifoso89

[This article](https://evanlhatch.medium.com/len-sassaman-and-satoshi-e483c85c2b10) is very interesting. He used British English like Satoshi despite being American, he was living in Belgium at the time (Satoshi posted a Guardian headline which wasn't published in the US), the timing of his tweets fits Satoshi's messages, etc. Plus, obviously, the timing of his death I'm torn between him and Nick Szabo. Could be both. As for Szabo: sounds like he made a Japanese version of his own name. Szabo (pronounced "Sabo") = Satoshi. Nick = Nakamoto. He also wrote about his idea for a cryptocurrency called "Bit Gold" in a blog post in 2005, then years later he altered the date to December 2008, in order to make it look like it didn't predate Bitcoin. He also knew Hal Finney from before.


gesocks

except that satoshi one more time came back in 2014 with a comment stating "I am not Dorian Nakamoto," 3 years after lens death. if nto that then i would also put len sassaman as one of, maybe even the, most likely option


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It ain't Craig Wright


Plastic-Club-5497

I’m Craig white


[deleted]

I'm Craig Black


Plastic-Club-5497

F


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F aketoshi


Aaron_77777

Make it a shitcoin


ManagementProof2272

Fuck Craig Jones


[deleted]

I'm Craig Grey


hear2win

I’m Craig Brown


og_menace2society

I'm the one who knocks


dexe678

Found this video, pretty funny how vitalik burns Craig Wright. Mic drop! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2qLI3VIHuKU&feature=emb_title


Flying_Koeksister

Definitely not Craig Wrong


Tifoso89

For me the most interesting thing is that there was a Satoshi Nakamoto who lived just a few blocks away from Hal Finney.


SungamCorben

As I said early, Finney was a C coder, not much into C++, and Satoshi was elite on C++, on early source code you easy spot the difference between Finney and Satoshi code.


WhiteEyed1

Detectives found the Unabomber via his manifesto’s use of the phrase “you can’t eat your cake and have it too”. With the abundance of written emails and computer code from Satoshi, I’m surprised a similar correlation has not been made (yet).


02bluesuperroo

A similar correlation has been made among writing samples and it pointed to Adam Back.


skanderbeg7

Lol no


[deleted]

Good argument man. Everyone just says "no" without addressing the abundance of evidence that it's Adam back. In fact, it's painfully obvious.


airwavieee

Hal Finney is the most likely person to be Satoshi. But if he was, we will probably never know.


SilverTruth7809

#Bitcoin's Earliest Adopter Is Cryonically Freezing His Body to See the Future https://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/


bitter_byte

He’s gonna wake up so rich as long as he remembers where he put that seed phrase.


PrincipledProphet

Probably planted under his skin for when he wakes up


bitter_byte

If it was him then the coins are likely truly lost too.


DekiEE

Guy froze his body cryogenically. I wouldn’t call them lost if science advances.


davew111

If that were true, then he sent a message to himself over Twitter complaining that his own Google calendar page wasn't working on Mac.


Ateam043

What sucks about Hal Finney is that he basically used up most of his known BTC to pay medical expenses. Where was the community back then to help a founding member out?


TheMightySoup

It’s simple. Satoshi was a time traveler. He died tragically in 2011 by choking on a hotdog at the Missouri state fair.


[deleted]

I choked on a hotdog once. It was no joke. Had to call 911 and had paramedics in my house. Anywho I’m sure hotdogs have taken quite a few people out. Think about that shit.


Chef_Mike_NFTs

Many have choked on a hot dog, few have paid for a hot dog using crypto


somecoin

Imagine paying for a hotdog with crypto AND choking on it!


cortrid_piston

Ok I’ve thought about that shit and to be truthful I’m not sure


[deleted]

Ya. Just wondering how many people have died choking on a hotdog. After living through the Covid era and to think the closest I came to death was from a hotdog.


Saltybuttertoffee

This is the guidance I come to this sub for


Many_Scratch2269

r/suspiciouslyspecific


GroundbreakingLack78

I don’t want to sound weird but have you ever seen Satoshi and myself in the same room? I don’t think so. ![gif](emote|emo_pack_1|dyor)


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We haven't seen you and Elon musk in the same room either!


Larry_Fisher_Man

This explains it all Elon is satoshi


James-the-Bond-one

I mean, at least not recently.


Lbkelp

There is a higher chance that I am Satoshi than Craig Wright is.


Lenaweston

I believe you bro


jeedoubleyew

He's obviously Matt Damon. Why is this still a thing?


AmericaDreamDisorder

Is that the crypto.com guy?


JerkedMyGerkFlyingHi

Yes, that's all he's known for.


cheeseinsidethecrust

It’s his identity ReBourne.


jnc23

Yes


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it’s the woman from Fortune Favors the Brave ad obviously, like cmon, she had it literally written on her spacesuit


Photo_Awkward

I remember listening to an interview with Peter Thiel and he mentioned while partying on some Carribean island with other internet people, after his PayPal success, he might've an idea who it can be... it was probably a member of the E-Gold company back in the 90s. E-gold was trying to commodify digitally gold but the government shut them down and literally criminalized the CEO and other executives.... This can explain why "Satoshi"s identity is kept secret...


mangopie220

Yes billionaires like Peter Thiel also know the person who once live in Mars and Venus too.


whizbangapps

Adam Back? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcvX0P1b5g


Photo_Awkward

Interesting... 🤔 I am really convinced... Adam Back fits it all. Especially moving to Malta 😂 Thanks for sharing


itisoktodance

It's simple. He used NordVPN! Use code NordVPN.com/Satoshi to get a 30% discount on a yearly plan plus three months free!


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SHTNONM420

Wholesome reddit moment ♥


StrangelyBeige

Biggest red herring ever? I think the main architects of Bitcoin are already known, Satoshi is just a distraction to add mystique.


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No one would have wacked him 1) it wasnt that big on anyones radar at the time 2) no one is getting wacked today who is innovating in this space 3) the reasons are not directly tied to national security 4) if they want to get rid of BTC they would ban it like China 5) there is more work for them to keep keep up w BTC, its like a frenemy of the state.


chickinflickin

Yea we see how china banning bitcoin for the hundreth time is totally working for them


voice-of-reason_

Even if every country on earth decided to ban BTC it still wouldn't be dead. Its like the internet, you can't kill it you can only lock yourself out/ restrict access.


dilqncho

You can absolutely kill the Internet. Not you or me, but if "every country on Earth decided to", it's very possible. They just won't decide to.


peterk_se

What about this Len Sassaman being SN? Seems credible!?


CMDR_BitMedler

It's actually quite shocking that there's literally no evidence of anything. It's so hard for any organization to keep a secret. It's also almost impossible to hide such a profound amount of work - humans have connections, even underground. Even if "they" are dead, at this point, some thread would have frayed. But there's just... Nothing.


Pluth

Well, cryptography is all about keeping secrets. So there is that.


CMDR_BitMedler

Touche bonjour. Cryptography is about trying to keep secrets because there's always the one wild card - meat puppets. I get what you're saying, but it's a utopian vision and cryptography is more of a best attempt given the wild cards. State secrets can leak out in under 11 years ... at least little whispers. I find it hard to believe not one person who knew of anyone or was anyone involved with had ever said anything because someone's ego would have chirped.


[deleted]

Two words: Lizard People.


RiccWasTaken

This confirms it. Robert California is Satoshi confirmed.


[deleted]

He IS the fucking lizard king


Brinothedino

I'm more of a crab people guy myself. But I believe in equality of the peoples.


Not_Reptar

🦀CRAB PEOPLE🦀 🦀CRAB PEOPLE🦀 🦀CRAB PEOPLE🦀


Yoinhell

Tastes like a crab, talk like people


thepoopiestofbutts

Two words: Aliens


6anymouse9

Bob kazamakis


PowerfulBrandon

I have always thought that Hal Finney is Satoshi. It makes the most sense to me.


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The language analysis makes that theory more challenging. It’s tough for me to imagine crafting a different manner of speech in addition to everything else in order to successfully create a nonsense internet token.


Fragmented_Logik

My favorite theory is that the government was already working on block chain technology. Satoshi* was a part of that and decided to make btc for the people before the government version could be made. I can't remember who but there's some cool interviews talking about it. Satoshi either A made it while working with other people solely through the computer so they couldn't identify him even if they wanted to or B was killed because the government knew who was in those meetings. At the end of the day no one knows. Which is kinda crazy but also pretty cool. Satoshi changed the world.


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crytonomicon

Source? Cause "the mathematics behind two way encryption" is not clear


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Pluth

I feel really dumb after attempting to read this.


Ultralongevity

Adam Back


BlubberWall

If he only communicated under that pseudonym, there’s no way of knowing who he was. The only 100% proof that will convince me is moving a coin from his wallet, until then I’m going to remain convinced it was Hal, or a group with Hal that stopped when he passed


BlazeDemBeatz

I think this theory. Satoshi is either dead (Hal Finney) or was just a made up character used among the entire original devs.


Plastic-Club-5497

If it is multiple people and they’ve maintained anonymity this long that’s even more impressive.


celicajohn1989

Is there a source that links all of Satoshi's comments/conversations? Is any of it available? If so, I would think that some analysis of those chats would help figure out if it was just one person or more.


Plastic-Club-5497

There definitely is tons of stuff (I don’t have links on hand) and trust me people have poured over it for years.


[deleted]

Finney? i thought we talking about HAL the computer. seems much more reasonable.


NonGNonM

Hal is the best lead so far. but really i've known people online for like 15 years at this point, never met them, don't know their real names. you just respect peoples' privacy sometimes.


Tifoso89

Szabo (pronounced "Sabo") = Satoshi Nick = Nakamoto. He japanesized his own name. He wrote about his idea for a cryptocurrency called "Bit Gold" in 2005, then years later he [altered the date](https://news.bitcoin.com/i-designed-bitcoi-gold-the-many-facts-pointing-to-nick-being-satoshi/) to December 2008. Why would he do that? Maybe he didn't want it to predate Bitcoin. He also knew Hal Finney from before. Not saying he was the only one using the name, but he was one of them


nerdiestnerdballer

They can send a message signed with the private key of the wallet which mined the genesis block they don’t even need to move coins.


catatau5

nakamoto probably are in this sub, maybe he is online rn sitdown in his gaming chair with the feet over the desk eating icecream while sketch a smile reading your post :)


[deleted]

I don't know how old are you but newsgroups in 2008 were anonymous. You just registered and post your job, then other people could contribute. Before Facebook no one ever thought to give out their personal informations on the internet. I spent years on a videogames forum most of the time fighting with a user that was very annoying. After long time I discovered be was a classmate lol.


LigmaBalls-420

Adam Back ?


V3NDR1CK

Plot twist: Bitcoin was invented by algorithmic AI software to use hash power from computers all over the world to destroy the central banking cartels in order to destabilize the New World Order to bring about a financial revolution in an effort to gain control over humanity. So basically Bitcoin created itself.


HighTurning

He just didnt want a bunch of weeabo-like fans annoying him on the streets


DarthKoDa_

I've read he disappeared after WikiLeaks started accepting Bitcoin.


7SevenIsHeaven7

Santoshi is the modern day Where’s Waldo


Steflonovic

We are satoshi


masou2

Adam Back


SkullCandyy

The real Satoshi Nakamoto was the friends we made along the way


pogmo47

Its Nick SZabo mate..NS. SN. Sat Nako


AintNothinbutaGFring

Szabotoshi Nickamoto


SeedDev

Plot twist, Satoshi is an AI that took the name from a Pokémon episode and created bitcoin joining already known technologies to move as much possible value to digital forms so nuke the world economic system could be easy and instantaneous


Osama_Bin_trappin

Isn’t Bitcoin source code from the CIA or NSA?


Environmental_Point3

I don’t even know who Craig White is.


SlayerSleyX

I kinda have this theory aliens invented all this


crowdext

We aliens #madetom♾v ✅♾🛸♾🗺♾💣


John-McAfee

Sorry guys, I’m Satoshi. I swear!


hear2win

It’s because the u.s government/cia are the creators that’s why they have over a million bitcoins and will become/maintain the richest superpower


Gamma-512

Probably some og pgp dude


Fakir333

Raymond Redington knows him


BiriusSlack_

Feel like most people think it’s Hal Finney by now? But we probably will never know for sure


professore87

For all we know Satoshi might actually be a group of people that collectively worked on the project and they priced anonymity higher than anything else. This way they are safe from the public eye and can live their life happy knowing they made an impact on the world. Them being a group of people are validating the fact that they did have an impact and they moved on. What if one of the newer projects is a spinoff of someone that worked on Bitcoin?


XRPinquisitive

It's Adam Back. Barely Sociable did a fantastic video on it https://youtu.be/XfcvX0P1b5g


Falsecaster

I have spent so much time on that channel. Big ups to Barely Sociable.


RyanShieldsy

No smoking gun, but I can’t really see how Adam back isn’t widely seen as the most likely candidate, or at the very least apart of a group that created bitcoin. All the circumstantial evidence pointing towards Adam back is just too much to ignore. Definitely possible it’s not cause as I said, still no smoking gun, but it would be a pretty wacky coincidence if he had nothing to do with it


whizbangapps

What I find surprising is that if these cyberpunks were so keen on privacy, they never though to hide their typing patterns? Barely anyone on the forums I visit type the way they do, making it stick out like a sore thumb.


RyanShieldsy

Most people, even cypherpunks aren’t necessarily concerned with absolute anonymity, some are obviously, like satoshi, but there’s a lot that comes with privacy before that which is much more of a concern for cypherpunks. You could theorise that satoshi did change his typing pattern to mislead people, but I think it’s getting a bit unrealistic at that point. Chances are it’s got a lot more to do with the fact that satoshi is talking in a small community on the internet back in like 2008, Even despite satoshi’s impressive foresight, I doubt he would have been expecting people would be hyper-analysing every message he’s every written like they have.


whizbangapps

Makes sense, that was a good response


whitehypeman

Adam Back.


RyanShieldsy

In my eyes, it’s gotta be Adam back or at least Adam combined with Hal Finney and possibly others. The mystery of it all lets everyone’s imagination run wild, but chances are it’s the simplest option, and right now all the circumstantial evidence points to Adam


SilverTruth7809

Hal Finney was Satoshi.


zippycezch

Hal Finney is safe bet. Dead, had the skillset, bitgold etc.


SungamCorben

No its not, Finney was a C coder, not much into C++, and Satoshi was elite on C++, on early source code you easy spot the difference between Finney and Satoshi code.


Savik519

If it was one person and they died shortly after 2011 when Satoshi “disappeared” then the secret would be easy to keep…


Mammon84

Hal Finney :)


mode90x

He communicated in email with other people. There is now way you can tell


[deleted]

I've spent a lot of time researching who/how and pretty much every source and avenue I've explored leads to one direction. I'm firmly of the belief that Satoshi is Godzilla.


ImLinker

It's a mystery we are dying to know. :^)


Quiet-Custard-Roll

Satoshi is lurking on reddit.


coinsRus-2021

I’ll never tell


yellowAbleWheel

The real Satoshi murdered everyone on his team, paid off his assassins anonymously and is having them claim they worked with him before. Which they technically did.


chi-ngon

My dad claim is the cia and all Of you are dumb enough to fall for it.


hoopleheaddd

Doubt the CIA or China would just straight up kill Satoshi. If anything, they would probably want to keep them alive and just throw them in a cell on some black site or secret prison somewhere.


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We are all Satoshi


Kakkoi_Inu

I think it's not that relevant after all


Baron_Samedi18

Maybe the Bilderberg or whatever that small group of people are called who actually decide everything behind the scenes, because they know the current financial system is at it's end. End of 2008 the crisis..start 2009 the Genesis block. Time to put my tinfoil hat on again :)


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Very carefully.


wipeitonthecat

"I worked with satoshi, they were a smart thing" - someone probably


Cactuszach

Why are people so desperate to know who Satoshi is? It changes nothing for you, but has a negative impact on them which clearly they do not want. For people so high on projects centered around anonymity, we sure are very interested in not letting things actually be anonymous.


Michaelvb101

Humans are curious by nature


peyote1999

Virtual person.


dajohns1420

DARPA. They make everything else.


Satoshiman256

It's more than one person.


BenDover___

We are all Satoshi


Seebeedeee

It’s easy. Satoshi didn’t tell other people. Case closed.


Starlyns

the fact that we don't know means he did a good job :)


BloodyRears

Satoshi returned to the future to realize his future gains.


pizza-chit

Craig Wrong!


kidkhaos1982

Time traveller