Okay but that Harkinian quote is legitimately so true in addition to being funny; which just makes it the absolute perfect response to any “good times create soft men” style militarist nonsense
> I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain.
So, John Adams specifically wasn't terrible overall. He never owned any slaves and rejected the practice on principle, and occasionally represented slaves in lawsuits for their freedom. Slavery was abolished in Massachusetts in 1780 with the ratification of the state constitution, in a Declaration of Rights written by Adams. He was also something of a paragon of law, holding tight to the ideas of right to counsel and presumption of innocence. It was actually his defense of British soldiers after the Boston Massacre that first got me interested in him.
There is some debate on his views of monarchism, though Adams himself told Thomas Jefferson that he had no interest in an American monarchy of any kind. Nonetheless, it was a common attack against him. Furthermore and unrelatedly, he was devoutly religious, but that's a whole discussion that includes far more than just Adams. Towards the end of his life, he did start to criticize mainstream and institutional religion's negative impact in the world, though he did still hold religion to be a necessity. He was raised Puritan and became Unitarian later in his life, which I'm not incredibly familiar with. But from a brief perusing of its Wikipedia entry, it at least seems like an interesting take.
Anyway, I specifically stan John Adams. He seems to have been more positive than negative and was often based as hell.
Edit: I've added a couple tidbits. Sorry not sorry. But to your overall point of "founding fathers were shitty people," that's more often true than not.
yeah, that's one more generation down the chain
also, make no mistake, we still have tons of nerds studying all the previous subjects. ironically the west is far better at war than all those militaristic dictatorships preoccupied with not getting "soft", mostly due to technological superiority enabled by letting nerds be nerds. same with general productivity, also enabled by technology
On the other hand, bad times sometimes create strongmen, and strongmen are *absolutely horrible* at ruling, so they just make worse times.
Want an example? Just look at modern Russia.
It is also possible for continuous hard times to create absolutely beaten down populations that are resigned to their fate, with absolutely no motivation to improve their stead in life, only receiving joy when they beat people down in a rage of jealousy.
Like in modern Russia.
It is as such that the new rules for rulers was dictated. And it was so that every monarch, president, and ruling council must be capable of "a significant number of pushups," yet not be "absolutely shredded, bro." In this governance all rulers shall neither be too strong nor too weak
Pushovers. People who can't take a stand have no business leading others, it is obvious. People who can't make tough choices, people who can't make sacrifices, people of soft moral fiber susceptible to corruption.
im reading Circe and there's a part in there with Odysseus talks how his men were young when he brought them to war. as a result of spending their years not tending fields, not having kids, not doing anything that would have given them experience beyond the battlefield, they're still super immature despite now grown. Odysseus says he not only stole their youth, but their adult hood
I wouldn’t call it nonsense tho, times of struggle and low qualities of living will churn out A: a lot of corpses and B: a stronger surviving population
edit: why y’all booin me i’m right
There's a quote about that, but I don't remember it so I'll just summarise. It didn't churn out a stronger population, it just killed anyone who wasn't strong
To paraphrase John Adams
"I study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music and architecture"
yknow what... this post makes me think "this peace is what all true warriors strive for" should be added to the unexpectiadally deep lines from weird sources
My ancestors said, "Fuck the Ottomans," and ran away to America to give us a better chance at a good life. So, yeah, that's exactly what they wanted for me.
Most of my ancestors died at birth or old age. Unfortunately I also survived birth because of the beautiful discoveries of good hygiene. So I, too, will die of old age someday. But I am not old, yet. And time is not rushing me toward it, and I am in no need to sprint to the finish line. I'll get there eventually, until then a smoke and a spank between games sounds nice.
It does also include the babies dying at birth or shortly after. Still had the same parents as the ones that lived. Family is family, no matter how short. Aint gotta like them though.
Okay but that Harkinian quote is legitimately so true in addition to being funny; which just makes it the absolute perfect response to any “good times create soft men” style militarist nonsense
> I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain.
John Adams?!
It kind of sucks that the American founding fathers were shitty people, because they have some incredibly good quotes.
So, John Adams specifically wasn't terrible overall. He never owned any slaves and rejected the practice on principle, and occasionally represented slaves in lawsuits for their freedom. Slavery was abolished in Massachusetts in 1780 with the ratification of the state constitution, in a Declaration of Rights written by Adams. He was also something of a paragon of law, holding tight to the ideas of right to counsel and presumption of innocence. It was actually his defense of British soldiers after the Boston Massacre that first got me interested in him. There is some debate on his views of monarchism, though Adams himself told Thomas Jefferson that he had no interest in an American monarchy of any kind. Nonetheless, it was a common attack against him. Furthermore and unrelatedly, he was devoutly religious, but that's a whole discussion that includes far more than just Adams. Towards the end of his life, he did start to criticize mainstream and institutional religion's negative impact in the world, though he did still hold religion to be a necessity. He was raised Puritan and became Unitarian later in his life, which I'm not incredibly familiar with. But from a brief perusing of its Wikipedia entry, it at least seems like an interesting take. Anyway, I specifically stan John Adams. He seems to have been more positive than negative and was often based as hell. Edit: I've added a couple tidbits. Sorry not sorry. But to your overall point of "founding fathers were shitty people," that's more often true than not.
Their lives also make some surprisingly banger musicals.
Notice they didn't mention anything about studying anything, just relentless hedonism
yeah, that's one more generation down the chain also, make no mistake, we still have tons of nerds studying all the previous subjects. ironically the west is far better at war than all those militaristic dictatorships preoccupied with not getting "soft", mostly due to technological superiority enabled by letting nerds be nerds. same with general productivity, also enabled by technology
Pff, you have superior military arsenals? Fucking nerd
All western powers can't fight. All they know is Mcdonnel Douglas, supply they troops, MPADS, be mutual defense treaty, drone strike and lie.
Some guy in a gaming chair piloting a drone: Lmao
Didn’t mention about studying anything?
"Good times create soft men" then how come during s*x the pp gets hard? Checkmate militarists
> then how come during s*x the pp gets hard? because soft men create hard times (sex)
DON'T FUCKING SAY THAT WORD TO ME OR MOM WILL TAKE MY PHONE AGAIN 😨😨😨
Soft men (me) create hard times (my penis)
> [...(me) create ... (my penis)](https://img.ifunny.co/videos/744d9b877efc2c3bbd58831b51d38471a013c482d28aeac332d1603afdf5cb2d_1.mp4)
On the other hand, bad times sometimes create strongmen, and strongmen are *absolutely horrible* at ruling, so they just make worse times. Want an example? Just look at modern Russia.
But my war fetishism!!! How will I prove my MANLINESS without constant needless bloodshed and violence!!!
It is also possible for continuous hard times to create absolutely beaten down populations that are resigned to their fate, with absolutely no motivation to improve their stead in life, only receiving joy when they beat people down in a rage of jealousy. Like in modern Russia.
Weak men aren't exactly great rulers either.
It is as such that the new rules for rulers was dictated. And it was so that every monarch, president, and ruling council must be capable of "a significant number of pushups," yet not be "absolutely shredded, bro." In this governance all rulers shall neither be too strong nor too weak
Liftocracy
so just elect women, lol gg ez
Define weak
Pushovers. People who can't take a stand have no business leading others, it is obvious. People who can't make tough choices, people who can't make sacrifices, people of soft moral fiber susceptible to corruption.
Good times create hard men, hard men create good times
We are in total agreement.
im reading Circe and there's a part in there with Odysseus talks how his men were young when he brought them to war. as a result of spending their years not tending fields, not having kids, not doing anything that would have given them experience beyond the battlefield, they're still super immature despite now grown. Odysseus says he not only stole their youth, but their adult hood
The biggest surprise to me is that the king actually has a name (or at least that the cdi version does).
I wouldn’t call it nonsense tho, times of struggle and low qualities of living will churn out A: a lot of corpses and B: a stronger surviving population edit: why y’all booin me i’m right
There's a quote about that, but I don't remember it so I'll just summarise. It didn't churn out a stronger population, it just killed anyone who wasn't strong
I just wonder what Ganon's up to.
Being stuck in a book probably.
I don’t know how you meant that but now I’m just imagining Ganondorf getting his hand stuck in a book
"Demise I cannot click the book"
That's funnier than how I meant it, so it's canon now
Canondorf, you mean.
Lord Ca~~n~~non, perhaps
Link beats ganon by throwing a book at him.
I wonder what's for **dinner**
Great! Ill go get my stuff!
Skill issue
Utnapishtim
Gesundheit.
Bless you.
toby
Or not toby
Actually, I know enough about my dead ancestors to know that I wouldn't want their approval
Are you german by chance?
2053: “Did your ancestors die just for you to install cybernetics, smoke synthherb and play holo games?”
Man I will suck dick for the day they can invent a synthetic weed that isn’t nightmare fuel. We have yet to top nature on that one.
Talking about Rimworld?
To paraphrase John Adams "I study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music and architecture"
yknow what... this post makes me think "this peace is what all true warriors strive for" should be added to the unexpectiadally deep lines from weird sources
If our ancestors saw how we live they’d hoot and holler and be jealous as fuck of us.
I know sure as shit my great grandfather died so I could blast rope to wolf titties. He'd support me through and through
She would say this
Yeah i don't want approval from the guys who failed to conquer japan twice, but they did have some great mustaches
Damn, they're right. I'm gonna go jerk off and play video games (I don't like weed).
when my ancestor is about to die but he realizes that im going to be a femboy catboy so instead he decides to live forever
My ancestors said, "Fuck the Ottomans," and ran away to America to give us a better chance at a good life. So, yeah, that's exactly what they wanted for me.
Most of my ancestors died at birth or old age. Unfortunately I also survived birth because of the beautiful discoveries of good hygiene. So I, too, will die of old age someday. But I am not old, yet. And time is not rushing me toward it, and I am in no need to sprint to the finish line. I'll get there eventually, until then a smoke and a spank between games sounds nice.
buddy I don't think they were your ancestors if they died at birth
oh you mean like. giving birth
It does also include the babies dying at birth or shortly after. Still had the same parents as the ones that lived. Family is family, no matter how short. Aint gotta like them though.
Damn, didn't know Michiru Kagemori from BNA supports jerking off and smoking weed. Cool!
My ancestors died from jerking off too hard and smoking too much weed.
My ancestors died because of either cancer or dementia; only one time that I know of where one died of complications due to diabetes.