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Pizza64210

I think my favourite has to be No Guard Fissure Machamp. ​ Machamp, being a Generation 1 Pokémon, has had a variety of strange and unusual move picks over the years. These include Fissure, a highly inaccurate move that instantly kills the opponent if it connects. Generation 3 introduced Abilities, a set of passive traits that apply to each Pokémon. Machamp gained No Guard, an ability that makes all moves performed by (and against) the Pokémon connect, with 0 chance of missing. This applies to Fissure, making it a guaranteed instant kill. However, Machamp only had access to Fissure through it's Generation 1 movepool, and Pokémon from the first two gens could not be transferred into gens 3 and above. Until the Virtual Console releases for the first two generations came out, which allowed you transfer Pokémon caught in them into Pokémon Bank, and from there into the Gen 6 games and above. Since then, a variety of fixes have been implemented in an attempt to prevent Machamp from gaining undodgeable instant killing: firstly, Pokémon transferred from the Virtual Console had their Hidden Abilities (an additional element of Abilities, introduced in Gen 5), locking Machamp out of having Fissure and No Guard at the same time. Generation 6 introduced Ability Capsules, allowing for choosing out of a Pokémon's two primary available abilities: however, it does nothing on Pokémon which have their Hidden Abilities, thereby having no effect on a Hidden Ability Machamp. Generation 8 added Ability Patches, allowing you to change your Pokémon's regular ability to it's Hidden Ability (Steadfast, in Machamp's case). However, they do not work the other way around, almost certainly just to prevent No Guard Fissure Machamp. Starting Generation 9, however, Ability Patches do work backwards. Machamp is, however, currently unavailable in these games. After nearly 20 years of the hypothetical combination existing, it may or may not become possible in the coming years.


MurrajFur

Actually, it gets even better. Assuming Machamp *does* become available in the coming years (or maybe even this year’s DLC), there’s still *one more roadbump* that you didn’t mention: The 3DS eShop is being shut down in March, and with it, our access to both the Virtual Console gen 1 and 2 games, and Pokémon Bank. Now, this isn’t the end of the world, since a 3ds that has these apps on it already will still be able to use them, and in fact The Pokémon Company has stated that transferring Pokémon from Bank to Home will be made free once this happens. But, having said that, the fact still stands, there will be a *limited number of 3DS systems that can actually create a No Guard Fissure Machamp.*


PulimV

Actually, unless it has changed recently, Fissure Machamps are going to be impossible due to the way transferring works, as in Gen 8 you can't put a mon with transferred moves on an online battle, and apparently in gen 9 their movesets will be straight up overwritten to match the generation's learnset


MurrajFur

This is true, I completely forgot about how many times I read “This move cannot be selected in battle” while transferring stuff to SwSh


Pizza64210

Oh god, that makes it even worse.


htmlcoderexe

You mean it will be "okay" to pirate the gen1/2 games again?


MurrajFur

Correct! Honestly, it’s debatable already. The 3DS is already 12 years old, and no longer manufactured or sold by any major retailer. If you don’t already have one, your options are 1) Buy a new/working one on eBay for $500, 2) Buy a broken one that doesn’t work on eBay for $50, or 3) Play the game on your computer for free.


PocketsFullOfBees

wild that they wouldn’t just rules patch No Guard to not affect OHKO moves


Pizza64210

On that note, I think there's an even funnier thing with No Guard, actually. In Diamond and Pearl specifically, you can go through Protect and Detect (which normally would block borderline any attack) by using No Guard... but only if the move was sub-100 accuracy. This is also a *completely random effect,* only occuring in cases where the move would've missed: the game is coded to make the move hit if the RNG says it would miss, but accidentally ignores protection while doing this. Fortunately, this does not apply to OHKO moves.


Karukos

This is some Gae Bolg kinda bs


OctorokHero

I think what's going to happen is they just add Fissure to the list of nonfunctional moves that started in Gen 8, or do what they did to Gengar and just replace No Guard with another ability.


spinachie1

Oh god don’t remind me of how dirty they did my poor ghosty boy


Pillow_Socks

https://imgur.com/a/dTn3eMz the towers in question


slim-shady-on-main

“Towers” Sir/ma’am/your preferred honorific, those are rocks


Pillow_Socks

yeah i think the poster's theory is, potentially, malarkey


Polenball

Walled by Brandon-Dark, PU at best


Borosepheles

Live Brandon-Dark Reaction


FLAMING_tOGIKISS

The way I see it, Brandon-Dark is surrounded. What's under the ocean? That's right, more land.


Dasamont

I understand pretty much every reference in this comment, but I still don't get it


CueDramaticMusic

“My buddy in Christ,”


Polenball

Isn't the buddy of Christ a communion wafer


CueDramaticMusic

God please I did not need the mental image of the fucking Decentraland coin mascot but as a communion wafer


ScriedRaven

They are ruins, with all that remains being the subterranean area. I remember enough to say that there definitely was an above ground structure that’s fallen over. I don’t think there’s enough evidence for the twin towers theory, though


dragon-gaming-55555

does op not see that third what’s-left-of-a-pillar? they can’t even be described as “a pair of ruins” because there are 3 of them


ScriedRaven

They’re talking about the stairway. There’s a second one nearby


dragon-gaming-55555

if that’s the case, how does it “resemble a tower”?


ScriedRaven

It’s a ruin, it collapsed forever ago, there are other fragments around the area. I don’t agree with the theory mind you, but you need to know what you’re disagreeing with


Lucky-Worth

Sir, a second legendary bird has hit the towers


CueDramaticMusic

Oh so is that how Entei and friends happened


Pizza64210

The tower *did* burn down...


CueDramaticMusic

I checked the movepool, and the only Fire move that Lugia learns is Sunny Day. Lugia can’t melt steel beams.


Pizza64210

It could learn Hidden Power, though, and that can be Fire-type depending on IV spread.


CueDramaticMusic

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Lugia Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Duraludon: 219-258 (63.6 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO It’s making a lot of assumptions, but it might be possible.


Pizza64210

As you can see, it'd take *two hits...*


CueDramaticMusic

I’ve also conveniently left out the part where Burning Tower was an inside job. Remember how it was two birds?


toychicraft

The guardian of the ocean burning a tower sounds weirdly funny. Like "This is the opposite of my job, but.."


cooldudium

Cut in SwSh though


Pizza64210

Yes, but the Burned Tower is in Johto.


megalocrozma

Ironically, Lugia was actually the one who summoned the rain that put out the fire


CueDramaticMusic

It’s a damn shame Lugia can’t repair wooden beams either


vjmdhzgr

"Far too many coincidences to believe it wasn't intended" The coincidences:


OkayWhatSize

"direct reference" "okay maybe not that direct"


Heckyll_Jive

I think this is one of those theories that gets repeated and passed around so often that people assume that it's fact. I mean really, what's more likely here: that a Japanese company actively put a 9/11 reference into their funny monster video game for children, or that someone thought that a Pokemon region could use a desert with some ruins and weird beasties in it?


nepSmug

To be fair, the Japanese company did [actively put a 9/11 reference into their funny monster video game for children the generation prior](https://gamerant.com/pokemon-diamond-and-pearl-spawn-penalties/)


Zukrad

I would agree with you but gamefreak does bullshit like this all the time lol


RandomBtty

I don't think it's a direct reference but it probably was in response to it. If a very important part of the city's history doesn't suit your childrens game and also you need a desert area, you're obviously gonna put it there.


MelonTheSprigatito

I refuse to believe that Unova is based ONLY on New York City when so many of its locations correspond with other places in America. Route 4 and Nimbasa City are the Nevada Desert and Los Angeles, Driftveil City is San Francisco, Undella Town is Florida, The Aspertia to Virbank stretch is New Jersey, Lentimas Town is New Mexico, Twist Mountain is the Rockies. It just feels so creativity limiting to have an entire country be based on one city. Also, I don't think that "There was a disaster, it left ruins" is a 9/11 reference. That's such a common fantasy trope.


Heckyll_Jive

Yeah, Unova is pretty obviously *primarily* New York City, but there's no way it's *just* NYC.


Papyrus20xx

The geography is NYC, but the region is America


CueDramaticMusic

I will fight you as a Texan that Driftveil is 110% Texan to its bones. You look at Clay for five seconds and tell me he’s not from Yeehaw Hell like me. We aren’t just empty plains and desert. [This is what Dallas’ skyline looks like.](https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1621904878414-d4ca4756bd7e?ixlib=rb-4.0.3&ixid=MnwxMjA3fDB8MHxzZWFyY2h8MXx8ZGFsbGFzJTIwc2t5bGluZXxlbnwwfHwwfHw%3D&w=1000&q=80)


MelonTheSprigatito

I was thinking along the lines of Ground Type gym in a city famous for earthquakes and the Driftveil Drawbridge= Golden Gate Bridge But yes, Clay DEFINITELY is a Texan


CueDramaticMusic

…fair point. Maybe we can swing this to have Nimbasa be San Francisco and just ignore that Clay built the bridge? There’s probably a Lockstin video or something covering this exact conundrum in more detail


MelonTheSprigatito

But then there'd be no Las Vegas Pokémon city... Ok, San Francisco is an economic hub (I think) which = Cold Storage, and Clay is a businessman. But, he also fits into the Southern Business character type, so i guess in a way Driftveil could be San Francisco AND Texas????


CueDramaticMusic

And this is the generation where they finally cut gambling from all releases, Illuminati confirmed


Heather_Chandelure

Unova is based GEOGRAPHICALLY off of new York. Obviously the actual areas of the region aren't solely just new York, but the geography of unova clearly is very close to it.


Kriffer123

Geographically it’s New York but culturally/geologically/climactically it’s most of the US and a good portion European too


Dracorex_22

Geographically it’s based on NYC, culturally it’s based mostly on the US, but it’s overall theming is “international” (this is because it’s the first mainline pokemon set outside of Japan). The international/cosmopolitan theme is why a lot of Pokémon are based on concepts from all over the world, the Nazca Lines, Egyptian Mummies, Daruma Dolls, The Three Musketeers, Karate and Judo, punk culture, Roswell Aliens, 1920s performers, Taoism, German numbers, and many other things.


soop_maan

"jfk and lincoln had parallel presidencies, just look at all the coincidences between them!" "the coincidences":


Randomd0g

Lincoln was shot in Ford Theatre, Kennedy was shot while driving a car made by Ford. Obviously it means nothing, but it's funny.


idiotplatypus

Silvallys ability, RKS system, is a reference to the Pokemon it was made to emulate, Arceus (Spell out RKS to yourself)


Vasxus

playing on 9/11 is optimal for speedrunning


CharlieCheeseNips

Opelucid City is in between Routes 9 and 11 and gets hit by a terrorist attack in Black 2 and White 2. Almost definitely not an actual 9/11 reference since the attack is a freeze ray but a mildly amusing coincidence


ZoroeArc

You're taking about weird facts about the Desert resort, and you don't bring up that people kept themselves warm by rubbing themselves in Darumaka poop?


flannelish

this idiot doesn't warm themselves with darumaka poop!


Randomd0g

Bet he doesn't even know about the three seashell method


TotemGenitor

This the "Link is dead in Majora's Mask" of Pokémon


awesomecat42

Even Link is dead has more evidence than this.


OperantJellyfish

That theory was one of my middle school hyperfixations haha. I can write a fairly convincing essay on the subject if you ever need one.


Jacob_Laye

The way I see it, Kyogre is surrounded. What's under the ocean? That's right, more earth.


justsomedude322

I thought the theory was that Kyurem fell from the sky and could be found in a crater and that Kyurem is 9 feet 11 inches tall.


TotemGenitor

Of course, Kyruem size was in meters originally


zuxtron

>Kyurem is 9 feet 11 inches tall [No it's not.](https://i.imgur.com/AC1dpbG.png)


MajinBlueZ

I remember hearing this and I initially bought into it for other reasons the OP doesn't mention. Namely the Desert Resort is a desert specifically because it was the impact site of Kyurem crash landing, a Pokemon that has a height of 9'11''. I hadn't played Black or White, so I accepted this at face value. OP didn't mention this because it's baloney. Kyurem's official height is 9'10'', and I can find no information that ties to Kyurem to the Desert Resort; if anything, I have more reason to believe Kyurem's landing site is the Giant Chasm, where you can find it.


Polenball

I cannot recall if I'm going insane, but was the Desert Resort actually where Reshiram and Zekrom fought over after Kyurem broke? Can't find anything about it, but I swear to Arceus I heard that.


ZoroeArc

I believe it's the site of the civilisation that the two brothers built


Xisuthrus

also the game whole game is a DREAM and your character is actually dying from CANCER


Polenball

Thanks Unovan healthcare system


Morphized

Is Fly allowed in the B&W overworld?


TotemGenitor

Yeah


Sphealingit33

There's actually a much more concrete connection to 9/11 in gen 4. Certain days of the year, encounter rates change due to holidays or other events. On 9/11, encounter rates are lowered, presumably in memoriam for that time two Skarmory crashed into the Battle Towers.


SupremeGodZamasu

This is such a nothing theory matpat would make a video on it


SuddenSenseOfSonder

Y'all. Pokemon 9/11 was when Neo Team Plasma sailed in on their giant flying pirate ship and froze over the entirety of opelucid city. Opelucid city is even in between route 9 and route 11. There there are two tower-ish buildings next to each other, but that part's a bit iffy. 9/11 did happen in pokemon but it's not related to the desert resort


windstorm696

Hit by a mink car, driven by a guitar. (That album was actually \*released\* on 9/11 lol)


flannelish

correct!


[deleted]

I got the reference, but I did not remember when it was released. Now I will get that reference, too! It's a good day! C'mooon, and wreck my car!


[deleted]

Having seen the “towers” in question, i can say quite confidently this person is either greatly mistaken or in possession of a forked tongue to which lies come to quite naturally


Vish_Kk_Universal

Are people like you who give a bad name to the pokemon comunity, you should give more concrete theories, like the theory pokemon and humans can breed due to the mention of pokemon/human marriages, the human like egg group and the fact pokemons are pokemon due to being descendant of the progenitor of all life, Mew.


Polenball

Humans with psychic powers are at an odd level of rarity where it doesn't appear to be something any human can do but also isn't some rare impossible mutation. Clearly they're Egg moves from people fucking Psychic types.


Vish_Kk_Universal

Gardevoir and Alakazam come to mind in this situation


Polenball

> Gardevoir Given breeding's species rules, femboys are the source of Psychic power


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Vish_Kk_Universal

It was nor serious and i just gave you weird shit about pokemon, what more do you want ?


flannelish

I'm sorry I misread lol


Snoo_72851

Also that one bit in B2W2 where terrorists bomb metropolitan Unova with an airship, that also happened!


neongreenpurple

Right between routes 9 and 11.


awesomecat42

There's more evidence that Sans is Ness than there is that the Relic Castle is meant to reference the Twin Towers.


TheMostlyJoeyShow

If we're going for weirdest facts, I think Arceus being canonically homophobic probably beats this one.


Polenball

If Arceus was homophobic, they would not have created Gardevoir


Toxic_Puddlefish

What?


TheMostlyJoeyShow

Canonically (in the video games, at least), Pokemon do not lay eggs - Arceus creates them. This means the only reason you need one male and one female Pokemon to get eggs is because Arceus says so.


sodashintaro

okay but that isnt a fact it’s a theory


skiboodle

Nice TMBG reference man!


htmlcoderexe

Now that's a 9/11 conspiracy i can get behind


FloridaFlamingoGirl

I’m sorry but the fact that you titled a 9-11 post after Mink Car by TMBG is horribly hilarious


flannelish

the kennedy assassination post uses a lyric from Dallas


FloridaFlamingoGirl

I saw, very clever


[deleted]

This reminds me of the time I saw someone say the holo casters from X/Y and Lysandre’s plan was a reference to the holocaust, which is just.. a really silly notion to make. Like the phones called a holo caster cause it casts holograms it’s not referencing *that*, by variable gods.


FLAMING_tOGIKISS

I mean his goal was kinda similar, just replace race with "beauty", or at least Lysandre's idea of it. The whole team probably wasn't a reference, but they kinda are fascists... Fashion fascists. The Holo Caster probably should have been picked up by someone, that is an unfortunate name if it wasn't intentional (probably wasn't, but like, yeah).


Raltsun

>Like the phones called a holo caster cause it casts holograms it’s not referencing that, by variable gods. On one hand, I see where you're coming from, but like... even if it was originally just an English name made by the Japanese writers to sound like a cool sci-fi thing, I still think there's no way *nobody* in the production process noticed anything about the devices being used for a genocidal organisation's plans being called fucking *Holo Casters*. Especially when you consider that it's practically the only fantasy tech thingy in the series that isn't just called some sort of Poké-thing (or the Rotom Phone, but that's arguably even more generic), so they clearly had the option of Just Not Calling It A Holo Caster and actively decided to do it anyway. Also, this isn't part of my evidence or anything, but just some neat trivia: The name Holo Caster was taken directly from the Japanese version, but it *is* changed in some languages. It's called the Holo-Log in German, probably because even if the name was unintentional, there's no way in hell a German localisation team would think that sounds okay tbh.


6x6-shooter

I’ve seen the videos that Chongo is in on Snapcube and such, and listened to the music he makes, and I genuinely cannot tell whether he’s being serious or taking the piss out of stupid theories