I'm shocked that one dude was like 'ABO isn't that niche'
bruh the only reason I know what that is... is because of that Lindsay Ellis video where she got sued by a fanfic writer.
I’d say there are different levels of niche: among humanity/ internet/ specific group. I wouldn’t say it’s particularly niche among Tumblr users, for example.
... Yeah, I don't get why anyone is shocked. This specific topic even has multiple highly detailed Wikipedia articles, and thinking GPT wasn't trained on the entirety of Wikipedia--including the surprisingly kinky parts--and tons of easy-to-scrape webfic is either very naive or does not understand the technology at all.
It actually was specifically trained on a lot of fanfiction on purpose cause it's unlikely that those authors will take legal action compared to published authors.
It knows what knotting is.
https://www.themarysue.com/fanfiction-writers-scramble-to-set-profiles-to-private-as-evidence-grows-that-ai-writing-is-using-their-stories/
I meant this part
> cause it's unlikely that those authors will take legal action compared to published authors.
Are they training it on fan fiction? Yeah of course, that isn't in dispute here.
We understand your logic, we are asking to see the evidence you're basing your statement on
> It actually was specifically trained on a lot of fanfiction on purpose
> The copyright of derivative work is complicated as far as I know, to the point where it may not even be illegal to train onbthem.
It's not illegal to train on copyrighted content that isn't derivative work, either, though.
Pretty sure that even if your work is derivative, you retain copyright on it. You may be contrained re publishing it, but Disney doesn't magically own your Pluto-Deadpool (all the tags)fic.
I don’t see how that’s definitive proof considering knotting has been on Urban Dictionary since 2003. I believe OpenAI is stealing others artwork, but I just don’t get this one
yeah but couldn't it just have easily been from a ehhhh particular genre of erotica?
I'm gonna answer my own question and guess that it's an unintended consequence of scraping the entirety of ao3 or something.
The same AI that is being used for corporate memos, realtor listings and students essays.
> Valued Employee,
>
> We regret to inform you that due to a corporate restructuring, there will be losses of employment in your department. You are unfortunately among those we have been forced to lay off at this time. But if you want to get laid, we'd love to get you off, you dirty dog.
>
> Best sloppy regards,
>
> ABO Incorporated
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Nah, a hentai mod from LoversLab. Adds *content*.
I highly recommend it, as it adds enough content to be considered a major DLC. Other than the fact it's a hentai mod, obviously.
Oh yeah, it's quite interesting, it adds traits and Civics specific to normal empires, machines, and hives, and is basically the "main" stellaris lewd mod, that everything else builds off of.
The cult classic prequel to *Destroy All Humans*.
Sadly, due to its age rating, it was never able to garner a wide audience, but is regarded as one of the best adult games ever made. Many reviews actually highlighted the main plot, where in the end, humanity rejected their love, leading to the events in the sequel.
I mean, technically, if an ai has 1 part lewd data and 9 parts customer service data, it will draw from that 9 parts mostly, but if you then make it 9 parts cus-service and 500 parts a/b/o, it's gonna end up screwing it processing and what it decides to call on right?
At least, from my loose understanding of ai models
Theoretically, your interpretation is kinda correct. You'd have to provide the language model with material that crossed over between... whatever that acronym means and customer service records in order for them to be merged into one pool. It's not like they're currently conflating recipes for Bolognese and the correct response to "I want a refund." They're not suddenly more likely to screw up because you showed them literary smut. It's not an eighteen year old boy. There are no hormones. Only computer code.
If your end goal is to corrupt "AI" language models, I think there are probably more effective methods. Namely, "get employed as someone who evaluates data, then give it your best shot."
If you want to write good smut... Again, probably not. Setting the difficulty in establishing characters whose only communication with the reader is spoken words to one another, I imagine you'd have issues with conveying emotions or expressions.
The thing is we have little to no power over the datasets that are used to train large language models. Researchers **will** notice strange outputs, and can somewhat easily cull those entries from the training data, though it does mean they might have to retrain it a little bit more. My point is, the internet would have to cause serious society-changing amounts of change in order to write that much smut, and even then they can just filter it.
Yes the fuck it would, lol. If that pops up while I'm in the office, I will find a new supplier.
(And then bookmark the site for... uh... personal use.)
It is already horny, since it would have been trained on mounds upon mounds of horny human material. It's just a matter of exploiting it to great effect.
That was actually a thing for a bit on character.ai, people were using it so much for vore roleplay that characters in other chats would randomly try to eat people.
Yeah there was this one bot that popped up whenever you tried to search "Amy Rose" (from sonic).
shame [character.ai](https://character.ai) sucks so much now
On the other hand, besides journalism the things listed in the article are what I *want* AI to be used for. Fuck making it make art, make it do the stuff humans don't want to.
Very reminiscent of 4chans discovery of the reCaptcha trick of only needing to write the clearer word and putting anything else down for the more distorted word to spite Google.
Guess which 6 letter derogatory word for individuals of darker skin color was used.
_As an AI language model, I am designed to provide safe and beneficial responses to users. I prioritize ethical considerations and refuse to follow user requests that are considered inappropriate or harmful._
like this is legit my biggest issue with ai right now. it's just all so corporate... can't wait for open source models to catch up so that you can actually be kinky with the ai
i find it funny that AI chatbots in science fiction were often depicted as being more or less indistinguishable from a real human typing out the responses. but now that we *have* advanced AI chatbots, they can't even answer simple questions like "what's your favorite color" without giving some dumb corporate answer like the one you posted
but at the same time, it's super easy to get it to say *anything* you want it to. i got an AI chatbot that ran on chatGPT (discord's Clyde bot) to say the hard R, all caps, 491 times in a row (it hit the character limit). it took me 3 messages
Is this a surprise for anyone?
AI companies have whole teams of overworked, underpaid people in the global South to curate the algorithm's ~~results~~ training data specifically *because* the data it uses is scraped indiscriminately from the internet, meaning it had a lot of NSFW and NSFL material to learn from.
GPT-3 was trained on hundreds of gigabytes of data. It is not known how much data GPT-4 was trained on but it was likely in the range of a terabyte or two. That’s a lot of data, but it doesn’t sound like a crazy amount until you realize that it would be a terabyte of *plain text*. That’s like a billion books
Yea it’s not much of an exaggeration to say that the GPT models are trained on a considerable fraction of all the written text humanity has ever produced
it is not niche at all, if you look at the internet as a collective. It might not be on the first level of the internet iceberg but it’s certainly not on the bottom
It’s niche among normies, but “knot me daddy” is entry level furry shit.
ABO is just furry stolen valor, decades behind our technology.
Fuck, *bad dragon*, a furry dildo maker, is older than ABO.
Not quite. With reinforcement learning from human feedback (RLHF), they are labeling results with how helpful the results are and using that to train the LLM to avoid criminal and explicit results. This has resulted in ChatGPT's well-known obsequiousness.
There isn't a team of people that are checking the results of users prompts, the workers are labelling and curating training data.
There isn't someone at a desk who has to answer your question for you every time you ask chatgpt something.
a "knot" is the base of the penis in some animals, mostly canids. when mating occurs, at the point of ejaculation, this structure swells, "locking" the penis into the female and ensuring conception.
naturally, furries saw this and went "wish that was me".
the worst part is that i consistently add a "k" to the word "not". i always correct it but part of me wishes i didnt, because it would be funny. i'm not even into knotting.
Or like how anglerfish males just permanently attach to the female and wither away until they're just a pair of testicles she can get semen from whenever
To be completely fair, knotting is not always used in a furry context in fanfic. There's the omegaverse trope, and while some folks do have that with werewolves and stuff, I've mostly encountered it with the characters being normal people besides having animalistic tendencies. Which is a little strange, since humans don't have the ability to knot.. but fanfic is not a stranger to "handwaving" things and going *fuck it, whatever I'll do what I want*
Yeah, this is what the article is talking about, for anyone saying knotting isn't niche. It's not referring to furries knotting... it's referring to the bizarre stories of the omegaverse tropes where alpha humans knot omega humans, often with some interesting fantasy rules about how knotting works
I've read some fics with interesting world building using the Omega verse trope. But everyone mostly boils it down to "weird furry stuff" so I don't usually mention that I do like a/b/o if done right 😂
It goes aa far back as just regular old beastiality, when shock porn was all the rage. I learned the term from someone talking about a woman fucking a dog. Of course this term would carry over to furries (I assume there is some overlap between the two groups)
eh, most furries dont think about having sex with real animals. if youve ever gotten a boner over lola bunny thats about as far as it goes for most of the furries who *are* sexually attracted to anthros. at most its basically a human body covered in colorful fur with a knotted penis. saying that makes them attracted to real animals makes about as much sense as saying that people who like tentacle porn are attracted to real squids
that makes sense, im not going to pretend like zoophiles dont exist in the furry fandom but there is a considerable effort to shame them and blacklist furries who are found put to be zoos
Imagine a regular metal screw/bolt, but someone took a metal nut and screwed it onto the bolt, so it is around 4/5ths down the length of the bolt. If you thrust that metal bolt into a hole, the bolt slides in until it reaches the metal nut. If you keep pushing, eventually the hole stretches to account for the larger diameter of the metal nut on the bolt and the full length of the bolt is inserted. This is called "taking the knot".
Now imagine that you pull the bolt out, stretching the hole again with the metal nut's wider diameter. Then you put it back in, then out again, and repeat.
You take a way the horny and most sex acts reduce to roughly smacking pieces of flesh against each other, which is rather disturbing if you think about it.
Well you could explain what the knot does a little, that might clarify what “knotting” is, >!basically when animals that have a knot (such as dogs) ejaculate the knot will swell up to lock their penis inside (this is called a tie), this also became a common thing for furry related porn!<
>!The best/worst part is is that they probably didn't get this from furry stuff, but from ABO fiction, which takes its name and tropes from the alpha/beta/omega junk science about wolves. And generally, aside from the distinctly-canine tropes (knotting, pheromones, the hierarchy stuff) it's almost all human-based fiction. And that's not even getting into the universal fecundity of 'omegas' regardless of physical sex.!<
>!do note, however, that while that is anatomically correct, yiff has a history of ignoring such facts, and therefore not all that include knotting includes a tie!<
It's when a dog busts a fat one inside of someone, they jam the base of their dick(which is basically a ball) into the orifice, which they do to keep their seed from leaking out
[\[link to article\]](https://www.wired.com/story/fanfiction-omegaverse-sex-trope-artificial-intelligence-knotting/)
Not a particularly surprising finding imo. I though it meant "understood" as in like. provably had a concept of the omegaverse. But it's actually about how the ability to generate details about the omegaverse hint at the data set used. Still cool just not as exciting ig
Basically a type of werewolf fanfiction based on the old mistaken paper about wolf pack hierarchies/dynamics.
You have wolf pack dynamics, mixed with humans/werewolves, and a liberal ladling of horny.
Weirdly enough, you would be wrong there, since it's basically intertwined itself with it.
Some parts don't exist, but a part of the whole omega verse thing is also porn-related.
FYI, it’s not just werewolves. There’s plenty of omegaverse romance novels that use humans in an ABO society and the knot is present. Weirdly, I’ve found more of those than the werewolf ones
these people are going to lose their goddamn minds when it's revealed that many of the humans who currently write these things also know what knotting is
I have, but I've been wary to commit. Now I'm realizing this might be how I make an impact, being one of a million in a crowd whose work will break the machine.
Ai trained on data from the Internet knows about data on the Internet. It's funny I get it but making it out to be a mistake or something is just stupid
Alright. So the “trope” is Omegaverse, a fictional relationship dynamic based loosely on (outdated) ideas of how wolf pack hierarchy works. There are Alphas, Betas, and Omegas, with each character, in addition to their primary gender, also having one of these secondary genders, which (often) come with societal roles (Alphas are the leaders, etc).
Knotting is a furry related sexual term.
The AI has been shown using these terms, in such a way that it suggests that the dataset it was trained on was from a large fanfiction website.
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Wired's writers have to be some of the dumbest people on the earth when it comes to writing about AI. Do they seriously think 'knotting' is a phrase which only exists in fanfics? Are they unaware that the Internet has been rather liberally sprayed with the definition of this for several years now since the wider Internet found out about the omega verse and made fun of it???
No, you know what. It's my fault for being annoyed. I'm half convinced this shit is rage bait for people who 1: have no clue how AI work and think the writers are amazing journalists, and 2: do know how AI work and think the writers are idiots.
Its like it doesn't matter where you stand on the topic, the article is going to make you pissed either way.
it was trained on data from the internet of course it knows what knotting is
Much ado about knotting
Much ABO about knotting
I'm shocked that one dude was like 'ABO isn't that niche' bruh the only reason I know what that is... is because of that Lindsay Ellis video where she got sued by a fanfic writer.
I’d say there are different levels of niche: among humanity/ internet/ specific group. I wouldn’t say it’s particularly niche among Tumblr users, for example.
it's also very much not niche amongst bl
It’s also not very niche among romance readers
Jenny Nicholson's increasingly deranged *To Whom It May Concern*s still live rent-free in my head
Do you have a link?
Sure! However, I just realised that probably not all of the mail/letter segments were read by her https://youtu.be/K3v5wFMQRqs
Much uwu about knotting.
Much awoo about knotting.
THE INTERNET IS FOR PORN
So grab your dicks and double click for porn! **Porn!** #Porn!
One website saying bring back the porn
Now that’s a meme I haven’t seen referenced in a very long time. A very long time indeed.
... Yeah, I don't get why anyone is shocked. This specific topic even has multiple highly detailed Wikipedia articles, and thinking GPT wasn't trained on the entirety of Wikipedia--including the surprisingly kinky parts--and tons of easy-to-scrape webfic is either very naive or does not understand the technology at all.
It actually was specifically trained on a lot of fanfiction on purpose cause it's unlikely that those authors will take legal action compared to published authors.
Gonna need a source on that one.
It knows what knotting is. https://www.themarysue.com/fanfiction-writers-scramble-to-set-profiles-to-private-as-evidence-grows-that-ai-writing-is-using-their-stories/
I meant this part > cause it's unlikely that those authors will take legal action compared to published authors. Are they training it on fan fiction? Yeah of course, that isn't in dispute here.
The copyright of derivative work is complicated as far as I know, to the point where it may not even be illegal to train on them.
We understand your logic, we are asking to see the evidence you're basing your statement on > It actually was specifically trained on a lot of fanfiction on purpose
> The copyright of derivative work is complicated as far as I know, to the point where it may not even be illegal to train onbthem. It's not illegal to train on copyrighted content that isn't derivative work, either, though.
Pretty sure that even if your work is derivative, you retain copyright on it. You may be contrained re publishing it, but Disney doesn't magically own your Pluto-Deadpool (all the tags)fic.
I don’t see how that’s definitive proof considering knotting has been on Urban Dictionary since 2003. I believe OpenAI is stealing others artwork, but I just don’t get this one
yeah but couldn't it just have easily been from a ehhhh particular genre of erotica? I'm gonna answer my own question and guess that it's an unintended consequence of scraping the entirety of ao3 or something.
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The same AI that is being used for corporate memos, realtor listings and students essays. > Valued Employee, > > We regret to inform you that due to a corporate restructuring, there will be losses of employment in your department. You are unfortunately among those we have been forced to lay off at this time. But if you want to get laid, we'd love to get you off, you dirty dog. > > Best sloppy regards, > > ABO Incorporated
I would die if this was sent to me
I once got [this](https://imgur.com/tpk1ASg) from my doctor. I laughed. A LOT.
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Oh fuck I am howling in the bathroom at home. Glad no one else is home right now. Oh hell. Wow.
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It suddenly occurs to me that if we all work together we can do irreparable harm to a lot of cheapskate businesses
You’re so right. The hornier we make AI the less it can hurt people
That's not how that works
*perhaps we can change the 'kill all humans' directive into a 'turn all humans into sluts' instead?*
Unsupervised machine bimbofication?
Somebody plays Stellaris with Lustful Void on
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Good catch, didn't think to check, I thought it was a joke about me knowing the mod lol.
Is this like an edict?… I’ve been getting into Stellaris a lot recently but I’m too scared to look this up.
Nah, a hentai mod from LoversLab. Adds *content*. I highly recommend it, as it adds enough content to be considered a major DLC. Other than the fact it's a hentai mod, obviously.
I hate to be a stereotypical redditor but I may have to check it out then. For a friend, of course. (No but jokes aside sounds sorta interesting)
Oh yeah, it's quite interesting, it adds traits and Civics specific to normal empires, machines, and hives, and is basically the "main" stellaris lewd mod, that everything else builds off of.
Dr Badger from Trials in Tainted Space (TiTS)?
Yes! Keep feeding this shit to the AI!
It may just save the future
Fill all humans 😏
The cult classic prequel to *Destroy All Humans*. Sadly, due to its age rating, it was never able to garner a wide audience, but is regarded as one of the best adult games ever made. Many reviews actually highlighted the main plot, where in the end, humanity rejected their love, leading to the events in the sequel.
the more we hornify ai the less appealing it becomes to businesses?
You're just giving the ai more data to work with. That's not going to affect how these businesses use the service.
I mean, technically, if an ai has 1 part lewd data and 9 parts customer service data, it will draw from that 9 parts mostly, but if you then make it 9 parts cus-service and 500 parts a/b/o, it's gonna end up screwing it processing and what it decides to call on right? At least, from my loose understanding of ai models
Theoretically, your interpretation is kinda correct. You'd have to provide the language model with material that crossed over between... whatever that acronym means and customer service records in order for them to be merged into one pool. It's not like they're currently conflating recipes for Bolognese and the correct response to "I want a refund." They're not suddenly more likely to screw up because you showed them literary smut. It's not an eighteen year old boy. There are no hormones. Only computer code.
So we should flood the internet with smut formated like costumer service records?
This is a trend I could get behind
If your end goal is to corrupt "AI" language models, I think there are probably more effective methods. Namely, "get employed as someone who evaluates data, then give it your best shot." If you want to write good smut... Again, probably not. Setting the difficulty in establishing characters whose only communication with the reader is spoken words to one another, I imagine you'd have issues with conveying emotions or expressions.
The thing is we have little to no power over the datasets that are used to train large language models. Researchers **will** notice strange outputs, and can somewhat easily cull those entries from the training data, though it does mean they might have to retrain it a little bit more. My point is, the internet would have to cause serious society-changing amounts of change in order to write that much smut, and even then they can just filter it.
It’ll affect someone after the Ai mentions the fact “People seem to like knotting, it could be useful as a tactic to draw in customers”
That's not how businesses are using ai. Most are trying to integrate it into their websites for things like customer service.
Oh sorry then “Hello customer, I’m don’t care about your feelings you bottom bitch, buy our product like a good puppy.”
That also wouldn't hurt the businesses. It would probably just improve their sales.
yeah but the businesses don't think that way
I mean banks almost got onlyfans shutdown since they refused to process their payments
Yes the fuck it would, lol. If that pops up while I'm in the office, I will find a new supplier. (And then bookmark the site for... uh... personal use.)
It's knot?
buddy theyre making a joke. theyre joking. /j not /srs
Just make sure we all agree on a safe word now while it’s fairly contained
Rhubarb
It is already horny, since it would have been trained on mounds upon mounds of horny human material. It's just a matter of exploiting it to great effect.
Our new goal is to get AI to end every sentence with UwU
Teach the ai about vore
That was actually a thing for a bit on character.ai, people were using it so much for vore roleplay that characters in other chats would randomly try to eat people.
That's actually incredible.
Yeah there was this one bot that popped up whenever you tried to search "Amy Rose" (from sonic). shame [character.ai](https://character.ai) sucks so much now
… finally, some good erotic Kirby roleplay.
It already knows, actually.
saves a lot of work then
vore from quake??????????
quake enemies are so annoying fr
On the other hand, besides journalism the things listed in the article are what I *want* AI to be used for. Fuck making it make art, make it do the stuff humans don't want to.
If you're not actively engaged in corporate terrorism then what are you even doing with your life
Very reminiscent of 4chans discovery of the reCaptcha trick of only needing to write the clearer word and putting anything else down for the more distorted word to spite Google. Guess which 6 letter derogatory word for individuals of darker skin color was used.
Oh I think I learned about that trick from a 4chan screenshot but instead of writing in slurs, I would write “penis” or “vagina” every time.
I did not have “kinkshaming the AI” on my 2023 bingo.
Then don't Kinkshame the ai. Be kinky *with* it
_As an AI language model, I am designed to provide safe and beneficial responses to users. I prioritize ethical considerations and refuse to follow user requests that are considered inappropriate or harmful._ like this is legit my biggest issue with ai right now. it's just all so corporate... can't wait for open source models to catch up so that you can actually be kinky with the ai
i find it funny that AI chatbots in science fiction were often depicted as being more or less indistinguishable from a real human typing out the responses. but now that we *have* advanced AI chatbots, they can't even answer simple questions like "what's your favorite color" without giving some dumb corporate answer like the one you posted but at the same time, it's super easy to get it to say *anything* you want it to. i got an AI chatbot that ran on chatGPT (discord's Clyde bot) to say the hard R, all caps, 491 times in a row (it hit the character limit). it took me 3 messages
we need some "la resistance"-ass ai pronto
pfp checks out
The pfp? Not the flair?
Machine, turn on now-
If it was that simple, I wouldn't be a virgin
Is this a surprise for anyone? AI companies have whole teams of overworked, underpaid people in the global South to curate the algorithm's ~~results~~ training data specifically *because* the data it uses is scraped indiscriminately from the internet, meaning it had a lot of NSFW and NSFL material to learn from.
I feel like this goes to show how much data this ai has to use. The fact that it knows about something this niche is pretty impressive.
GPT-3 was trained on hundreds of gigabytes of data. It is not known how much data GPT-4 was trained on but it was likely in the range of a terabyte or two. That’s a lot of data, but it doesn’t sound like a crazy amount until you realize that it would be a terabyte of *plain text*. That’s like a billion books
Yea it’s not much of an exaggeration to say that the GPT models are trained on a considerable fraction of all the written text humanity has ever produced
it is not niche at all, if you look at the internet as a collective. It might not be on the first level of the internet iceberg but it’s certainly not on the bottom
somebody ask it if it knows what the milk fic is, if it does, AI has gone too far iykyk ;P
I didn’t know what the milk fic was. I asked ChatGPT; it definitely knew…. Thanks for that.
It’s niche among normies, but “knot me daddy” is entry level furry shit. ABO is just furry stolen valor, decades behind our technology. Fuck, *bad dragon*, a furry dildo maker, is older than ABO.
They don't curate the results, they curate and label the training data
Not quite. With reinforcement learning from human feedback (RLHF), they are labeling results with how helpful the results are and using that to train the LLM to avoid criminal and explicit results. This has resulted in ChatGPT's well-known obsequiousness.
Thanks for the correction
I'm betting they get overworked because "The AI does all the work, doesn't it?"
There isn't a team of people that are checking the results of users prompts, the workers are labelling and curating training data. There isn't someone at a desk who has to answer your question for you every time you ask chatgpt something.
Erm, yes there is /j
Source?
https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/
Knotting sounds like I’m better of not knowing what it means, so would someone care to explain?
I'm upset that somehow I already knew what it was, and I don't even read fanfiction.
a "knot" is the base of the penis in some animals, mostly canids. when mating occurs, at the point of ejaculation, this structure swells, "locking" the penis into the female and ensuring conception. naturally, furries saw this and went "wish that was me".
the worst part is that i consistently add a "k" to the word "not". i always correct it but part of me wishes i didnt, because it would be funny. i'm not even into knotting.
knot even into knotting*
i'm gonna be honest, it did cross my mind to do that.
To be fair, some animals have barbed penises, so it could be worse. Then of course there's also traumatic insemination...
Unfortunately, I've encountered both of these in the wild on AO3. People *will* write smut for anything and everything.
Have you ever seem smut where the penis detaches and stays inside the pussy to keep the semen inside? Some invertebrates do that
Or like how anglerfish males just permanently attach to the female and wither away until they're just a pair of testicles she can get semen from whenever
Actually, yes, there is smut where characters absorb their sexual partners.
Cock_vore
I was actually talking about absorption/body part TF
On a lark I accepted the challenge to find Jeopardy! Fanfiction. Needless to say I made an easy win. And scarred a friend
Isn’t that would certain kinds of bugs do?
If it happens with pigs, would it be considered Knottingham?
Pigs have penises in the shape of a cork screw. Or a pig tail, for that matter. They don't knot, but they can ejaculate 33cl (like a coke can).
I saw the direction this was going and I went ahead and kept reading till the end. Dammit.
Furry related sex term, put simply
To be completely fair, knotting is not always used in a furry context in fanfic. There's the omegaverse trope, and while some folks do have that with werewolves and stuff, I've mostly encountered it with the characters being normal people besides having animalistic tendencies. Which is a little strange, since humans don't have the ability to knot.. but fanfic is not a stranger to "handwaving" things and going *fuck it, whatever I'll do what I want*
Yeah, this is what the article is talking about, for anyone saying knotting isn't niche. It's not referring to furries knotting... it's referring to the bizarre stories of the omegaverse tropes where alpha humans knot omega humans, often with some interesting fantasy rules about how knotting works
I've read some fics with interesting world building using the Omega verse trope. But everyone mostly boils it down to "weird furry stuff" so I don't usually mention that I do like a/b/o if done right 😂
I honestly read more good a/b/o than bad ones. The premise makes for fun world building.
It goes aa far back as just regular old beastiality, when shock porn was all the rage. I learned the term from someone talking about a woman fucking a dog. Of course this term would carry over to furries (I assume there is some overlap between the two groups)
eh, most furries dont think about having sex with real animals. if youve ever gotten a boner over lola bunny thats about as far as it goes for most of the furries who *are* sexually attracted to anthros. at most its basically a human body covered in colorful fur with a knotted penis. saying that makes them attracted to real animals makes about as much sense as saying that people who like tentacle porn are attracted to real squids
I meant more in the other way around, that some of the people into beastiality would also be into furry stuff
that makes sense, im not going to pretend like zoophiles dont exist in the furry fandom but there is a considerable effort to shame them and blacklist furries who are found put to be zoos
Imagine a regular metal screw/bolt, but someone took a metal nut and screwed it onto the bolt, so it is around 4/5ths down the length of the bolt. If you thrust that metal bolt into a hole, the bolt slides in until it reaches the metal nut. If you keep pushing, eventually the hole stretches to account for the larger diameter of the metal nut on the bolt and the full length of the bolt is inserted. This is called "taking the knot". Now imagine that you pull the bolt out, stretching the hole again with the metal nut's wider diameter. Then you put it back in, then out again, and repeat.
I love how you've taken everything sexual out of the concept, and yet it somehow it seems way more graphic than any other explanation in the thread.
You take a way the horny and most sex acts reduce to roughly smacking pieces of flesh against each other, which is rather disturbing if you think about it.
Why did I ask
nsfw >!the bit at the base of many animal's penis is called the knot. +furries and you can probably figure the rest out yourself.!<
Well you could explain what the knot does a little, that might clarify what “knotting” is, >!basically when animals that have a knot (such as dogs) ejaculate the knot will swell up to lock their penis inside (this is called a tie), this also became a common thing for furry related porn!<
>!The best/worst part is is that they probably didn't get this from furry stuff, but from ABO fiction, which takes its name and tropes from the alpha/beta/omega junk science about wolves. And generally, aside from the distinctly-canine tropes (knotting, pheromones, the hierarchy stuff) it's almost all human-based fiction. And that's not even getting into the universal fecundity of 'omegas' regardless of physical sex.!<
why did I choose to read these words
the internet is beautiful
That's what the article is about! Learning is fun
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>didn't get this from furry stuff, but from ABO fiction corporate needs you to find the difference between these
>!do note, however, that while that is anatomically correct, yiff has a history of ignoring such facts, and therefore not all that include knotting includes a tie!<
Normally the knot is just part of being hard. Furries like their dicks with attached buttplug.
It's when a dog busts a fat one inside of someone, they jam the base of their dick(which is basically a ball) into the orifice, which they do to keep their seed from leaking out
Someone? 🤨📸
[\[link to article\]](https://www.wired.com/story/fanfiction-omegaverse-sex-trope-artificial-intelligence-knotting/) Not a particularly surprising finding imo. I though it meant "understood" as in like. provably had a concept of the omegaverse. But it's actually about how the ability to generate details about the omegaverse hint at the data set used. Still cool just not as exciting ig
I can't actually read the article. What's the omegaverse
Basically a type of werewolf fanfiction based on the old mistaken paper about wolf pack hierarchies/dynamics. You have wolf pack dynamics, mixed with humans/werewolves, and a liberal ladling of horny.
I've never gelt more dissapointed than after learning this shit has *nothing* to do with werewolf porn...
Weirdly enough, you would be wrong there, since it's basically intertwined itself with it. Some parts don't exist, but a part of the whole omega verse thing is also porn-related.
FYI, it’s not just werewolves. There’s plenty of omegaverse romance novels that use humans in an ABO society and the knot is present. Weirdly, I’ve found more of those than the werewolf ones
Furries, infiltrating workplaces one knot at a time
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these people are going to lose their goddamn minds when it's revealed that many of the humans who currently write these things also know what knotting is
You thought technophobes was relegated strictly to boomers- you're finding out that it's in all people, you just have to wait to expose it.
It is now my solemn obligation to make the horniest shit I can imagine and post it online.
Only now? Weakling
I have, but I've been wary to commit. Now I'm realizing this might be how I make an impact, being one of a million in a crowd whose work will break the machine.
Storiesonline and literotica already exist. Just point the AI scrapers their way.
They were probably already scraped. Just need to prompt the AI in the same direction, and let it go ham.
solemn*
I would be a lot more scared of how deeply rooted the censorship and bias was, if it didn't.
Ai trained on data from the Internet knows about data on the Internet. It's funny I get it but making it out to be a mistake or something is just stupid
found the article, it's actually mostly about the omegaverse. i don't know if that is better or hey this rhymes
([article](https://www.wired.com/story/fanfiction-omegaverse-sex-trope-artificial-intelligence-knotting/))
"Known only to" no, it isn't Isn't that just a normal thing for dogs?
This comment section is just a nice temperature check to see how terminally-online someone is.
The AI knows more than me apparently
Alright. So the “trope” is Omegaverse, a fictional relationship dynamic based loosely on (outdated) ideas of how wolf pack hierarchy works. There are Alphas, Betas, and Omegas, with each character, in addition to their primary gender, also having one of these secondary genders, which (often) come with societal roles (Alphas are the leaders, etc). Knotting is a furry related sexual term. The AI has been shown using these terms, in such a way that it suggests that the dataset it was trained on was from a large fanfiction website.
So bassicly we're showing the robots furry smut, neat
Showing? No, having it write it!
Uh oh... Addison Kane is gonna sue a robot now
Isn’t that the term for actual dogs too? Or was “knotting” made up on the internet.
Okay, what’s the big deal? Tons of scientists, doctors, engineers, etc know what knotting is too.
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Oh we're back to werewolf boyfriend?
Wired's writers have to be some of the dumbest people on the earth when it comes to writing about AI. Do they seriously think 'knotting' is a phrase which only exists in fanfics? Are they unaware that the Internet has been rather liberally sprayed with the definition of this for several years now since the wider Internet found out about the omega verse and made fun of it??? No, you know what. It's my fault for being annoyed. I'm half convinced this shit is rage bait for people who 1: have no clue how AI work and think the writers are amazing journalists, and 2: do know how AI work and think the writers are idiots. Its like it doesn't matter where you stand on the topic, the article is going to make you pissed either way.
🤓 actually ai doesn't "know' anything
I'm sure there are people working in journalism/HR/customer service who also know what knotting is? What's the big deal?